Lets talk brakes : fluid !

[john_o]

wanted to ask a question of our resident gurus but didnt want to mess up the current 
Lets talk brakes: Grooved & drilled vs Grooved thread..

So what type of brake fluid ? OE VW  or other and reference to DOT specs ?? (TT also claimed abs issues ??)
General fast road with occasional track day

to go with my Pagid Blue pads / OE discs Im about to buy   

thanks
John

[tony_danza]

Motul RBF 600 has never let me down so far on the last 3 cars.

[JPC]

i was going to PM you mike about fluids! cheers for that john/mike

[Top Cat]

wanted to ask a question of our resident gurus but didnt want to mess up the current 
Lets talk brakes: Grooved & drilled vs Grooved thread..

So what type of brake fluid ? OE VW  or other and reference to DOT specs ?? (TT also claimed abs issues ??)
General fast road with occasional track day

to go with my Pagid Blue pads / OE discs Im about to buy   

thanks
John

John let us know when you will be doing your fitting and i will pop round and drink your tea and eat your hobnobs give you a hand, i need to learn how to swap pads out for track days so dont mind passing you the spanners. 

Also  seperate advise from MR Danza. The chap who is fitting my kit next Monday also advised using the Motul RBF 600 

[JPC]

can i come too? i can swap pads, just fluid and bleeding i need to know! haha!

ive just started a bloody thread too, took me 3 minutes typing all that

[TomB]

I'm going to put ATE Super Blue Racing fluid in mine this week, its a dot 4 spec that hasn't let me down before.

Its not as good as Motul RBF 600 but its not far off and half the price.

[JPC]

If you were to flush out old brake fluid, how much new fluid would you looking at buying? 1L? 1.5L?

[TomB]

1 litre for a fluid change on all cars, regardless of make or model.  One reason I use Ate, its blue in colour so you can see when the old stuff's out.

[Msportman]

Motul RB 600 everytime

[tony_danza]

I'm going to put ATE Super Blue Racing fluid in mine this week, its a dot 4 spec that hasn't let me down before.

Its not as good as Motul RBF 600 but its not far off and half the price.

For those with cars still in warrantly, having blue fluid is something that's going to stick out like a sore thumb... just something to be aware of.

[JPC]

thats why i never used that before

[TomB]

I understand what you guys are saying but VW cannot invalidate your warranty as it has the same specification as the VW fluid.  Its like putting Castrol Edge in your car instead of the official VW/Fuchs oil.

[tony_danza]

I know that, you know that - but arguing the point with the dealer idiot for x days is still a PITA.

[the bruce]

make  -  spec  -  dry boiling point  -  wet boiling point


AP Racing 551 - DOT 3 - 527°F (275°C) / 302ºF (145ºC)

AP Racing 600 - DOT 3 - 590°F (310°C) / 410°F (210°C)

AP PRF Racing - DOT 4 - 608°F (320ºC) / 311°F (155ºC)

Ate SL6 - DOT4 + ISO6 -  509°F (265°C) / 347°F (175°C)

Ate Super Blue - DOT 4 - 536ºF (280ºC) / 396ºF (194ºC)

Ate Super 200 - DOT 4 - 536ºF (280ºC) / 382ºF (194ºC)

BMW OEM  - DOT 4 - 446*F (224°) / 311*F (156°)

Bosch - DOT 3 - 491ºF (255ºC) / 288ºF (142ºC)

Bosch - DOT 4 - 509ºF (265ºC) / 329ºF (165ºC)

Bosch - DOT 4+ - 536ºF (280ºC) / 356ºF (180ºC)

Brembo LCF 600+ - DOT 4 - 601ºF (316ºC) / 399ºF (204ºC)  !!!

Brembo EVO 500+ - DOT 4 - 520ºF (271ºC) / 336ºF (169ºC)

Castrol GT LMA - DOT 4 - 509ºF (265ºC) / 311ºF (155ºC)

Castrol SRF - DOT 4 - 590ºF (310ºC) / 518ºF (270ºC)  !!!

Endless RF-650 - DOT4? -  612°F (323°C) / 425°F (218°C)  !!!

GS610 - DOT 4 - 610°F (321°C) / 421°F (216°C)

Gunk HD - DOT 4 - 510ºF (266ºC) / 311ºF (155ºC)

Motul DOT 5.1 - DOT 5.1 - 509ºF (265ºC) / 365ºF (185ºC)

Motul RBF 600 - DOT 4 - 594ºF (312ºC) / 421ºF (216ºC)

Motul RBF 660 - DOT 4 - 617ºF (325ºC) / 400ºF (204ºC)

Neo Super DOT16 - DOT 4 - 610°F (322°C) / 421°F (216°C)

Pentosin Super - DOT 4 - 500°F (260°C) / 338°F (170°C)

Pentosin RBF - DOT 5.1 - 572°F (300°C) / 392ºF (200°C)

Prospeed RS683 - DOT 4 - 683°F (360°C) / 439°F (224°C)

ValvolineProSyn - DOT 3/4 - 527ºF (275ºC) / 347ºF (175ºC)

Wilwood Hi-Temp 570 - DOT 3 - 570ºF (299ºC) / 284ºF (140ºC)

Wilwood EXP600 Plus - DOT 4 - 633ºF (330ºC) / 417ºF (213ºC)

[sub39h]

I've got Motul RBF 600 in my car at present, but the way DaveB put it to me is if VW brake fluid is good enough for the Veyron, Lambos and the R8, as well as the RS4, RS6, TT-RS then it'll be good enough for my A3.

Teutonic Tamer said that the VW brake fluid exceeds the DOT4 spec anyway.

All this info together means I think I'm likely to stick with VW OEM fluid in future. Why risk knackering my ABS pump for a negligible increase in braking performance?