Lets talk brakes: Grooved & drilled vs Grooved

[cuprak1]

Pagid!!!!!

So pagid for the best all rounder then  .

ill let you know in a few weeks 

[Tfsi_Mike]

Pagid!!!!!

over ds2500's?

[cuprak1]

I can now get pagid discs 345 x 30 mm (cupra / s3 / r32 size) grooved discs for about £170-£180 the pair... if any one is interested.. maybe do a group buy ? who knows

[Tfsi_Mike]

Woo hoo  



Cheers to DaveB for helpful & rapid service!

Pads and braided lines soon then S3 rear set up :D  When the fronts have worn again will be looking for a big brake kit

** edit thats a size 9 boot lol

[cuprak1]

Drilllled ehh? not worried about cracking? are they 345x 30 to fit stnd calipers?

[Tfsi_Mike]

Drilllled ehh? not worried about cracking? are they 345x 30 to fit stnd calipers?

Nope and yup 

[cuprak1]

interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out

cheers

[RobH]

interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out

cheers

so come on what disks have you gone for pagid?

[DaveB@Vagbremtechnic]

interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out

cheers

Can tell you they were either SBS or Bremtech, Bremtech are cast in the Midlands in the UK, SBS are cast in the same 60 acre foundry in Poland same as Brembo/Pagid/Black Diamond and countless others.....

They're high carbon contect, etch primed and powder coated, you could easily get 40k miles out of these discs, they also have a min thickness of 27mm over the OEM ones of 28mm IIRC

If you speak to people in the Brake Industry it quickly becomes apparent that there are very few manufacturing organisations, Pagid/Textar/Mintex/Don/Cobreq/Cosid are all the same group. AP Racing/Brembo - same company same factories

They regularly share stock as well nothing more satisfying than raiding the shelves at Brakes International and finding £160 Porsche OEM Pagid Cayenne pads in a £30 quid Mintex box!!

SBS also do a mean carbon ceramic race pad very highly regarded in Mitsubishi Tarmac/Gravel circles

[Poverty]

interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out

cheers

so come on what disks have you gone for pagid?

Im the guinea pig for this test lol. Should arrive tomorrow, and fitted sat if all goes to plan. 

[animal]

Pagid!!!!!

Dave do you rate Pagid over Ferodo then?

[DaveB@Vagbremtechnic]

Err yes, I also rate brunettes over blondes ouch .....sorry love blondes over brunettes if you get my drift.....

If you get the ferodo DS2500 really hot they will leave deposits over your discs, wheels, wings. Pagids wouldn't do they would just cease to work in much the same way the ferodos would

Its the classic case of pressing on with fading brakes instead of backing off, once they reach "critical mass" heat wise theres no getting either back.

But if you are getting them that hot then in most cases you've outgrown the pad in terms of ability or utility and you need to swap them out for DS3000 or even DS3000+ or yellows/oranges/greys/blues in the pagid range.....All non road legal

PM monsiuer Danza, dont think he's ever really got involved in Pagid stuff on his alcons from memory.

If you are only ever going to drive on the road and the very non hardcore track day then DS2500 is a great pad.

One other to consider is the Mintex 1144 Im not sure if they do it in Mk5 R32 fitment but apparently its a great "clubman" pad, I'm seeing Alan at Questmead tomorrow. I'll ask. They're not expensive either. Alan makes the performance stuff for Mintex at his Sheffield factory.

So yes I prefer Pagid over the DS2500 only through some very well informed hearsay, if you were to ask whether Performance friction were better then Pagid then I would probably walk away murmuring abot car weights/platforms/driving styles etc cos in honesty I wouldn't have a clue and Im not qualified to comment. See Mr Danza or the other track slaggers on here

[tony_danza]

I overheard a conversation between a race driver (RD) and well known brake manufacturer (BM). Luckliy I recorded the conversation, you know, as you do. This is what was actually said:

RD "I was driving a car with your brakes on at the ring the other week, have to say it had fade and then lots of judder, almost as if...."

BM "...before you say it yes they were DS2500 pads. We fit them because they are good for road use but more importantly they don't squeal. If we fit race pads we'd get squeal and a massive warranty bill. Luckily for us most of customers drive like girls and don't know how to brake properly. You must brake like a man"

RD "yes, I do"

BM "you must be really good"

RD "I am"

BM "not like the tarts that buy our brakes for road cars though, girl brakers"

RD "I know, it's a shame"

[DaveB@Vagbremtechnic]

Classic...... 

[tony_danza]

Moral of the story..

I'd used them on light cars. They were fine. I'd used them on the road. They were fine.

You want to brake like a man. They're sh*t.

Pagid blues or Mintex for fast road, they're as grippy as a DS2500 but all they'll do is fade, not splatter your discs in crap. Performance Friction/Carbonne Lorraine/Carbotech/Ceramic Pagids for the track, or those who man brake.