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Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« on: November 10, 2009, 12:16:04 pm »
Another noob question.  Sorry

Searched on google for an answer but even more confused now. 

I appreciate that the grooves, holes & dimples will each add to noise but how much.

Some opinions are the grooves produce the most noise and foot pedal vibration, other say the holes are worse for this  :confused:

Well how much noise are we talking?  Appreciate dependent upon temp, disc, and pads etc etc.  But are we talking that horrible sequel or something more subtle?

Cant see the like of Porsche BMW etc having horrible sounding & feeling brakes  :smiley:

Sorry for the question, hopefully someone else has wondered the same
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 12:18:52 pm »
I have grooved discs up front and they make a lovely zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz noise as you brake under hard useage. Under normal road braking you don't hear them at all :happy2:
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 12:19:10 pm »


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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 12:26:24 pm »
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8753.0

search man :)

This is the bl@@dy post that got me thinking...  Then the wear sensor came on.  2 + 2 = more money spent.

But the post does mention more noise, but what type of noise and how much???  That was my real query.
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 12:32:51 pm »
but what type of noise and how much???  That was my real query.

In reality...not a lot. Certainly not enough to warrant worrying about :smiley:
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 12:45:43 pm »
but what type of noise and how much???  That was my real query.

In reality...not a lot. Certainly not enough to warrant worrying about :smiley:

Thank you - black drilled & grooved ordered with mintex pads.

Guess what I am doing this weekend.

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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 02:00:49 pm »
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 02:10:06 pm »
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 10:42:07 am »
....

If grooved, why drilled as well?


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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 11:25:23 am »
As mentioned before looks only.

Being a bit of a tart, always loved the look of drilled discs
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 12:43:52 pm »
^^^^
Hmm....Drilled for looks only - Not the wisest approach in my opinion. I've read elsewhere on this forum from those who know more than I do about such things, that the type of disc you drill is quite an important factor and that drill holes are potential places of weakness or similar.

Research it some more if not too late.

If too late, then I hope I'm wrong!


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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 01:21:54 pm »
DaveB is your man regarding drilling vs Grooving.  :happy2:

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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2009, 01:37:42 pm »
Have researched as I knew so little when I started out. Yep looks are not the best thing to go on where safety is concerned. 

As I undersand, cracking comes from the heating and cooling of the disc. Not planning any track days so they won't get abused.
They are also from a UK comany so fully accredited etc. Not some dodgy Chinese import. And the product has been given rave reviews on quite a few forums.

DaveB recomended Brakes international in Rochdale. Mark there says drilled over everying else.  He has not know drilled fail on fast road use either.  Seems to know his stuff too. He also likes the mintex pads. 

So yes take on board what you all are thinking. I have quizzed the ones that know, so...

Think it's better than a dodgy import, and better value for my modest requirements.

I will let you all know how the bed in over time.

 
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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2009, 01:44:41 pm »

DaveB is your man regarding drilling vs Grooving.  :happy2:


.... :happy2: And also very knowledgeable on brakes generally.


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Re: Grooved and Drilled - Increased noise
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2009, 01:52:16 pm »
Drilled discs are just bad...

If you push them hard they can crack or, at best, due to lower yield strength, warp quicker than a solid disc. If you combine them with fast road pads, they are no good as they actually cool down too quickly (a lot of fast road pads need to retain some heat in them to work - My Ferodo ones are a case in point). So either way, they just aren't ideal.

There is also potential for fast fracture as very small cracks can propogate quite quickly, depending on the quality of the material, and combined with already being weakened by the drilled holes, means that there is potential for them to fail spectacularly without warning.

ETTO and all that, and to be honest I think you'll be fine so long as you keep an eye on them, but I'm not sure I'd personally put vanity over performance, let alone safety. It's a bit like running Pilot Sport Cups all year round because they look the part.

And the reason they crack is not so much due to therman expansion, it's literally the stress applied to them under braking. Removing material vastly weakens an already quite brittle metal.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2009, 01:55:40 pm by animal »
Only 250.1bhp - but with that noise, who cares?

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