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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2014, 04:19:03 pm »
I bought a nice little Lupo 1.7SDi which gives me a smidgen over 500 miles for £35  :laugh:
£30 a year Road Tax so for me its free motoring which means that I get to keep me other toy for when I want to play.

The price I paid for the Lupo has already paid for itself on the fuel savings.

Perhaps a cheaper second car as an alternative maybe?

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2014, 06:31:00 pm »
diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker

Nor mine.

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2014, 11:48:00 am »
Theres a nice Golf GT TDI in the for sale section  :happy2: but yeah it sucks, I find it so annoying that a TDI Scirocco is going to cost as much as if not more than an R, if only I could afford to run it  :sad1:
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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2014, 12:10:09 pm »
MK5 GTIs hold their values pretty well but the standard TSI/ FSI petrols are worth quite a lot less. I didn't find the swap to a Mk6 diesel was that expensive for me and it's already paying for itself through the big running cost savings. High mileage makes it a necessity and I can't see myself changing back anytime soon :sad1:
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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2014, 07:02:28 pm »
I'm just gutted that I need a diesel, so the high spec sick lookin gti has to go and I need to put extra money towards a car that is not as good! Just better on fuel! Cause the gt tdi's look nothing like as good as the gti! Pissed.
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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2014, 07:29:41 pm »
Mod a GT-Sport to a GTI spec or get a mk6/7 GTD. Not that hard to get what you want. :wink:

When I get my new wheels my GT-Sport will look better than a standard GTI Ed. 30.  :grin:

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2014, 08:58:12 pm »
The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors  :sick:

IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.


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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2014, 09:13:41 pm »
The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors  :sick:

IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.
I agree that you need to do at least 75.000 miles to make a diesel worth it. Unfortunately the 1.4 TSI engine had too many problems that I lost faith in it. I'd prefer to get a 2.0 TFSI with a good service history if I was to get a petrol vehicle.

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2014, 11:01:13 pm »
I'm a way off affording one although some of you probably aren't, but if you want the ultimate diesel, have a look at the stats on the latest F30 335d. The 0-60 and top speed more or less matches the V8 4.2FSI R8 yet it'll do 52mpg combined. Mapped, I'm sure it's even more competition for junior super cars and will make even faster stuff fully stretch it's legs on road and track. Perhaps the only real super-diesel-saloon?

Insane really.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/bmw/3-series/saloon-2012/61320/

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2014, 12:30:24 am »
My mate nick's dad has a f30 335d x drive.
The launch control in it is mental. Never been faster from 0-30 it literally pins you. It's very very rapid to 60 of course and feels like a tour-de-force all the way up.

The average person buys a diesel power car because they automatically think it'll be cheaper to run than a petrol. If you don't do massive mileage it's pointless IMHO. Most modern diesels are just crap to advanced for there own good, diesel injectors for example just break for fun, £800 for 4 mondeo injectors  :sick:

IMHO if you do average mileage your no better off running a diesel if anything your out of pocket.

I've had 2 diesels and done over 60k in them and never had an injector fail.

PD injectors are pence as they're all so common.. around £200 for a set of 4  :happy2:

Regarding MPG the truth is yes you do save more money the more you drive but people who say short journeys don't save you money i disagree with.
My commute is 2 miles door to door
Displayed consumption on my GTI for this drive would be 25 if I was lucky with the traffic lights.
I've get to get below 38 on my Scirocco.

No matter how hard I try I could never get more than about 42mpg from my Golf and that was on a boring ass-drive where as I can actually enjoy the drive in the Scirocco and get 52-53mpg without even trying, rising to about 60 if I make an effort.. the extra 300 or so miles of range I can get (700ish vs about 400)  makes up for the small increase in fuel price itself.

Buying new then yes the difference is more readily noticable but buying a used vehicle the price gaps between petrol and diesel are much smaller and therefore you cannot use the "diesels are more expensive" argument. A new car may have a 1800 price difference between equivalent petrol and diesel models but in the second hand car market with prices far more negotiable and cars priced down to condition etc there is nothing in it in my opinion.

Yes DPF's " can " be problematic but so can many other things in life or on other vehicles. DPF's are fine by and large so long as a) you have them on a CR engine not a PD engine as they are not designed to work with PD engines and b) you actually understand the warning lights and drive the car as intended.

 80% of issues with DPF's are the pressure sensors rather than the DPF itself and if you do have a blocked up DPF then you get a good, fair warning well in advance of any permanent issues. failure to act upon these warnings is what causes problems...  Before my DPF was removed I could see the soot loading on my Fiscon Advanced, which, contrary to popular belief, would slowly increase even at 70mph on the motorway on cruise control, to around 15, at which point the EGT's would shoot up to around 650-700 and stay there, within about 5 minutes the soot loading was back down at 2.5 or so...the cycle would continue. I never once witnessed a passive regeneration which despite all of the information that's thrown around would explain a lot.

I don't know if it's true personally but I read somewhere a story of a guy who was a taxi driver in a CR engined Passat and did 118k all around London and apparently didn't ever have the DPF light on..

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2014, 07:56:15 am »
I have a mapped CR140 on 98k which had an MOT advisory on emissions...reading too low to register. Treat the DPF with respect and you have little bother, and clean tailpipes.
I've had a few mapped PD engines and you can tell they're showing their age now.

I don't commute by car so don't foresee a time where I'll personally need higher MPG, as that is the main plus my GT TDI had over my ED30. Oh, and cheaper Road Tax. 
Used to have Edition 30 - number 009 and a GT TDI 140.
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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2014, 08:53:13 am »
diesel are more in demand so the price goes up.Nothing boring bout my soot chucker

Nor mine.

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Nor mine......in fact I love all the gadgets, smooth power and fuel economy but in all seriousness give it 6-12 months and the value of a diesel is going to fall through the floor if the Eurocrats get their way. Indeed it's already started in France!!

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/france-plans-diesel-engine-cull-fight-over-pollution

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2014, 12:16:52 pm »
The government actively encouraged this move towards Diesel with VED based on Co2 emissions, which isn't an accurate method of charging.

They've now been advised to deal with other potentially harmful gasses such as Nox.
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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2014, 07:16:29 pm »
I'm just gutted that I need a diesel, so the high spec sick lookin gti has to go and I need to put extra money towards a car that is not as good! Just better on fuel! Cause the gt tdi's look nothing like as good as the gti! Pissed.

I disagree with that last section of your post, certainly in the case of the run-out Mk5 GT models there isn't a huge difference in appearance:

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Re: Diesel vs petrol
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2014, 07:40:32 pm »
All GT models need a rear end lift... Too equal to the common Golfs, even the 170 HP versions with visible dual exhaust tips.

But as I said before, they're easy to upgrade to look better. :grin: