AJP - thanks bud, yea bora's long gone but still float about on uk-mkivs
Tfsi_Mike - thanks, i do like to have a car i can 'build' i have an RS4 but you can do barely anything worth while or that you can get stuck into it's so boring.
andybon - i was a little suprised the biggest petrol offering in a touran was the 1.6, fully loaded the thing is useless, been a long time since i had to downshift mid hill climb