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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2015, 08:01:39 pm »
Going off them boost figures I'd say it's been remapped.
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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2015, 08:13:44 pm »
I agree, a lot more boost than stock. :wink:

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2015, 08:19:47 pm »
Sounds good :), a free remap.

But not too savvy on remaps so would my figures suggest a Stage 1 remap and are there not certain parts recommended to be upgraded if getting a remap. If I am producing nearly 270bhp is this what you would expect for a remap

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2015, 08:23:13 pm »
Sounds good :), a free remap.

But not too savvy on remaps so would my figures suggest a Stage 1 remap and are there not certain parts recommended to be upgraded if getting a remap. If I am producing nearly 270bhp is this what you would expect for a remap
Could be upto 300 bhp on just a map.

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2015, 08:25:26 pm »
A stage 1 Eddie should produce around 280-290 BHP, or a bit more, I think.

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2015, 08:28:20 pm »
Maybe need to get it on a dyno to get official figures.

Would it be recommeded to look at getting better intake etc

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2015, 10:11:31 pm »
I'll do mine at Stage 2+ without a CAI 1st. Just an ITG panel filter but with all the rest fitted to see what's the output. In my country it's not easy to legalize a CAI and the rest is easier to pass unnoticed. :laugh:

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2015, 06:50:49 am »
So from a couple of people saying a remap may have taken me nearer 300bhp and I know it is not accurate but I am going to do another couple of runs this weekend to see the results.

My car when initially did it was from a cold start and the engine was not wrmed up. What are the optimal conditions to get my car in to get as accurate a run as possible.

I know in the end the figures are just rough guides and will need to get it on a dyno to get accurate results. Does anyone know anywhere in Derby/Newark/Notts area to take it for a dyno run

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2015, 07:22:04 am »
The car needs to be fully up to temperature. Needle firmly on the 90 for at least a few minutes. It will only ever be an estimate based on what the ECU 'THINKS' is happening. Doesn't account for hardware issues correctly, so take anything you get numbers wise with a huge pinch of salt.

Personally i would be more worried about logging boost, fuelling, timing etc. to see if the remap is safe and half decent, rather than worrying about estimated numbers
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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2015, 12:49:18 pm »
The car needs to be fully up to temperature. Needle firmly on the 90 for at least a few minutes. It will only ever be an estimate based on what the ECU 'THINKS' is happening. Doesn't account for hardware issues correctly, so take anything you get numbers wise with a huge pinch of salt.

Personally i would be more worried about logging boost, fuelling, timing etc. to see if the remap is safe and half decent, rather than worrying about estimated numbers

Maybe a good shout, I have the boosts results above but can I check all the rest myself and if so how

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2015, 01:09:27 pm »
Goapr website has a good logging page with all the channels/groups to log for different tests

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2015, 03:26:43 pm »
Goapr website has a good logging page with all the channels/groups to log for different tests

http://www.goapr.com/support/datalogging.php
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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2015, 01:02:28 pm »
I have heard that vagcom block 120 for bhp is inaccurate for mapped cars, is this not true??

With My stage 2 gti (should be 250bhp) the vagcom worked out at 190bhp.  :stupid:

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2015, 09:49:59 am »
I have heard that vagcom block 120 for bhp is inaccurate for mapped cars, is this not true??

With My stage 2 gti (should be 250bhp) the vagcom worked out at 190bhp.  :stupid:

From what people are saying on here you may need to take it with a pinch of salt but I would imagine if you get the conditions near bang on it must give you a rough idea. I mean I would presume it could state under your actual power as being innacurate but with mine to state 40bhp over my stock I would imagine must mean it had been remapped.

Although initally good news for me as got a remap for free potentially I need to now find out if the remap is safe and also if it is producing nearer 300bhp which is my understanding what a stage 1 with no other perf mods should make

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Re: Measuring BHP and Torque
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2015, 10:14:30 am »
I have heard that vagcom block 120 for bhp is inaccurate for mapped cars, is this not true??

With My stage 2 gti (should be 250bhp) the vagcom worked out at 190bhp.  :stupid:

From what people are saying on here you may need to take it with a pinch of salt but I would imagine if you get the conditions near bang on it must give you a rough idea. I mean I would presume it could state under your actual power as being innacurate but with mine to state 40bhp over my stock I would imagine must mean it had been remapped.

Although initally good news for me as got a remap for free potentially I need to now find out if the remap is safe and also if it is producing nearer 300bhp which is my understanding what a stage 1 with no other perf mods should make

Best to get it dyno'ed i say, i have also heard if you log mass air intake (block 002 i think) then devide the highest number by 0.8 that is a more accurate bhp measurement.

Hope this helps