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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #105 on: February 08, 2012, 03:27:20 pm »
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #106 on: February 08, 2012, 03:42:52 pm »
Quote from: Deako on February 08, 2012, 03:27:20 pm
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR.  :wink:

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre

One reason I didn't look at those was that they don't have the OEM size as an option Luke. :smiley:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #107 on: February 08, 2012, 03:48:35 pm »
Oh and the Federal's were available for £443 inc VAT and delivery for a set of four.  :happy2:

By comparison the Yokohama's were just over £600.

The Silverstones are £552 before delivery cost.

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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #108 on: February 08, 2012, 04:20:03 pm »
Quote from: Hurdy on February 08, 2012, 03:48:35 pm
Oh and the Federal's were available for £443 inc VAT and delivery for a set of four.  :happy2:

By comparison the Yokohama's were just over £600.

The Silverstones are £552 before delivery cost.



Hurdy, when looking at brakes and tyres, cost shouldn't be a consideration, my tyrebudget for the golf the last 2 years has been app. 2500-3000£  :scared: Don't tell the missus  :chicken:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #109 on: February 08, 2012, 04:31:19 pm »
Quote from: Hurdy on February 08, 2012, 03:42:52 pm
Quote from: Deako on February 08, 2012, 03:27:20 pm
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR.  :wink:

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre

One reason I didn't look at those was that they don't have the OEM size as an option Luke. :smiley:

You dont need an exact match for track days John!  :wink: The Federals are primarily high performance road tyres as already stated. Good yes, but not the same as a real track tyre.
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #110 on: February 08, 2012, 04:32:03 pm »
It isn't a major consideration, but when the tyres both had good reviews I thought I'd give them a go. This will be my third set of tyres and I've only had the car since last October - 4 months. :surprised:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #111 on: February 08, 2012, 04:33:39 pm »
Quote from: Hurdy on February 08, 2012, 04:32:03 pm
It isn't a major consideration, but when the tyres both had good reviews I thought I'd give them a go. This will be my third set of tyres and I've only had the car since last October - 4 months. :surprised:

One set were free though.  :laugh: Well, 2 sets were free if you count the tyres on the Monzas as well. :grin:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #112 on: February 08, 2012, 04:34:06 pm »
Quote from: Deako on February 08, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
Quote from: Hurdy on February 08, 2012, 03:42:52 pm
Quote from: Deako on February 08, 2012, 03:27:20 pm
John. Silverstone FTZ Type RR.  :wink:

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/competition-tyres/silverstone-ftz-type-rr-tarmac-tyre

One reason I didn't look at those was that they don't have the OEM size as an option Luke. :smiley:

You dont need an exact match for track days John!  :wink: The Federals are primarily high performance road tyres as already stated. Good yes, but not the same as a real track tyre.

I do when you consider my alloy offset and width, plus the lowerage. OEM rubber still touches under max compression, so higher profile tyres would be worse - for me anyway :sad1:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #113 on: February 08, 2012, 04:37:39 pm »
I've been sat in the house all day for these bugg3rs to arrive and they still haven't turned up. Just phoned the courier up and they are still "due for delivery today". Delivery anytime from 07.30am to 17.30pm and guess who'll be last!!! :fighting:

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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #114 on: February 08, 2012, 04:40:52 pm »
John, do you know what you have lowered the front/rear? Ive got the H&R 35/55 kit from SteveP and dont want scrubbage.
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LIST of track day tyres
« Reply #115 on: February 08, 2012, 05:31:32 pm »
Hurdy, that's what many Federal owners had:





 :fighting:


The Toyo R888 is FAR better in the dry than the Federal.  :wink:


Some time ago I posted this on another forum as a guideline:



in alphabetical order:


UHP, proper street tyrers capable for light track use:

- Bridgestone RE050A
- Conti SC 5P
- Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (discontinued, but still very good)
- Michelin Pilot SuperSport (sadly for the Golf only 19" - but the best of these group)
- Pirelli P Zero (without Rosso/Nero ad)


extreme performance, between semi and street:

- Bridgestone RE070 (only in 225/45 R17 + 20'')
- Dunlop Direzza Sport z1 Starspec (avail. in the USA)
- Dunlop SP600 (Nissan GT-R)
- Federal 595 RS-R (splicing issues)
- Hankook R-S2 (new R-S3 seems to be better)
- Kumho XS KU36 (+ predecessor KU15)
- Toyo R1-R
- Yokohama AD08 (best of it's class)


semi slick tyrers, true track type:

- Bridgestone RE55 + new RE11s
- Conti ForceContact
- Dunlop Direzza 03G (ultimately the best)
- Dunlop SportMaxx Race (new)
- Hankook TD z221 (new)
- Kumho V70a
- Michelin PS Cup/Cup+
- Pirelli P Zero Corsa
- Pirelli P Zero Trofeo
- Toyo R888
- Yokohama A048R


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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #116 on: February 08, 2012, 06:18:21 pm »
I see what you mean about the splicing issue. Have there been many others like this. Do they know what causes it?
Could it be cold conditions? Or did it happen on a track day?
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #117 on: February 08, 2012, 07:11:33 pm »
From what I've read, that problem was addressed a while back - but bad news sticks.

Dale at Rent4Ring had most of the fleet on these, with no issues, They've also been used as the control tyre in the MX5 Cup, again, no issues.

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Re: LIST of track day tyres
« Reply #118 on: February 08, 2012, 07:13:08 pm »
Quote from: the bruce on February 08, 2012, 05:31:32 pm
Hurdy, that's what many Federal owners had:





 :fighting:


The Toyo R888 is FAR better in the dry than the Federal.  :wink:


Some time ago I posted this on another forum as a guideline:



in alphabetical order:


UHP, proper street tyrers capable for light track use:

- Bridgestone RE050A
- Conti SC 5P
- Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (discontinued, but still very good)
- Michelin Pilot SuperSport (sadly for the Golf only 19" - but the best of these group)
- Pirelli P Zero (without Rosso/Nero ad)


extreme performance, between semi and street:

- Bridgestone RE070 (only in 225/45 R17 + 20'')
- Dunlop Direzza Sport z1 Starspec (avail. in the USA)
- Dunlop SP600 (Nissan GT-R)
- Federal 595 RS-R (splicing issues)
- Hankook R-S2 (new R-S3 seems to be better)
- Kumho XS KU36 (+ predecessor KU15)
- Toyo R1-R
- Yokohama AD08 (best of it's class)


semi slick tyrers, true track type:

- Bridgestone RE55 + new RE11s
- Conti ForceContact
- Dunlop Direzza 03G (ultimately the best)
- Dunlop SportMaxx Race (new)
- Hankook TD z221 (new)
- Kumho V70a
- Michelin PS Cup/Cup+
- Pirelli P Zero Corsa
- Pirelli P Zero Trofeo
- Toyo R888
- Yokohama A048R


 :drinking:

I'm sorry Holger  :ashamed: but i have to correct you on a couple of points:

Bridgestone Re050A is not suited for ANY track use, they lack grip and are very hard to read as to when they loose their grip. sh*te tyre IMO  :fighting:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport is in the extreme performance, between semi and street category, easely following the other tyres in that category, and i'm willing to prove in on a track day.  :driver:

Also the Toyo R1R should have a notch up to the semi slick tyrers, true track type, i know it has more grooves but with a treadwear of 140 they must be in the true track type??

Otherwise a very informative post as always from you  :wink:  :notworthy:
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Re: track day tyres : FAQ
« Reply #119 on: February 08, 2012, 07:17:48 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on February 08, 2012, 07:11:33 pm
From what I've read, that problem was addressed a while back - but bad news sticks.

Dale at Rent4Ring had most of the fleet on these, with no issues, They've also been used as the control tyre in the MX5 Cup, again, no issues.



The 595RSRs are being used in a few race series now.  So they cant be that bad
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