track day tyres : FAQ

[the bruce]

I see what you mean about the splicing issue. Have there been many others like this. Do they know what causes it?
Could it be cold conditions? Or did it happen on a track day?

Mine where 2010 production. From what I remember most of the failed tyres
whre 2010s.
Of course this only happened on track, but why buy this kind of tyre if you
don't visit a track frequently?

It's bad on wet and so not suitable for a daily driver.

The 595RSRs are being used in a few race series now.  So they cant be that bad

Which series are these? Drift challange? 


Jake, making any table like this may become a basis for discussions. 
I'm not God - I just tried to help confused beginners and give them an overview.

The RE050 for example isn't a tyre giving lots of peasure on track, but a Hankook
S1 evo or Conti SC3 are even more disappointing after a couple of laps.

Of course all street tyrers are mainly for street use, so they have a compound
optimized for wet and cold conditions.

The R1-R is in one league with KU36, 595 RS-R and RE070. So it has to be put
in this group. I did this table after I have talked to many guys that have at least
had two of these tyrers.

[danishmkvgti]

I know Holger, just wanted to clarify that this topic is very subjective.
But having tried the 3 tyres mentioned i have to stand by the previous mentioned, also having in mind i'm not the fastest of guys but i can hold my own 

[the bruce]

Jake, feel free to modify this table !! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Jake, feel free to modify this table !! 

Is this a forum or a wiki? 

[the bruce]

FAQ to be precisely.   

[Teutonic_Tamer]

FAQ to be precisely.   

Is that how posh people say fcuk ? 


Taxi for one . . . 

[Hurdy]

Just been out for a few runs in the Polo with the Federal 595RS-R's fitted and they definitely have my seal of approval for use. Only fitted them today and went for a merry jaunt to scrub them in a little.

The surface wasn't the best to scrub in new tyres as it was damp, muddy in parts, cold (6.5^oC) and the tyres only had few miles on them since fitted, however......

Even in these conditions the tyres have more grip than the Yokohama Parada Spec II's had in the dry!!!

Second time around (after dropping JJ off) I was stuck behind a Fabia on twisty bits and a Porsche 997 bore down on me at warp factor 10!!!

 I "safely" passed the Fabia at the next straight immediately followed by the Porker, had a good play with him for a few miles and I was really surprised how well the Polo was balanced and just gripped. Then I turned off and he waved and gave the thumbs up as he roared on. It certainly gave the new tyres a thorough bedding in

The tyres were predictable throughout and the cornering grip even in the damp is superb and even when I pushed it to beyond where the Parada's would have had me in a field, the Federal's still had more to give.

When the weather dries out I'll see if the tyres give me a better 0-60 and see if they are even grippier.

How do they compare to R1R's/R888's?  Certainly on par with the R1R's, quieter than the R888's by a long margin. As for ultimate grip we'll have to wait and see.

[Deako]

Glad you rate them John. They will not compare to R888s on track when they have heat in them, but for a downright fast road with the occasional track day tyre, from the reviews they appear unbeatable.

[the bruce]

The Toyo R888 is FAR better in the dry than the Federal. 


Some time ago I posted this on another forum as a guideline:



in alphabetical order:


UHP, proper street tyrers capable for light track use:

- Bridgestone RE050A
- Conti SC 5P
- Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (discontinued, but still very good)
- Michelin Pilot SuperSport (sadly for the Golf only 19" - but the best of these group)
- Pirelli P Zero (without Rosso/Nero ad)


extreme performance, between semi and street:

- Bridgestone RE070 (only in 225/45 R17 + 20'')
- Dunlop Direzza Sport z1 Starspec (avail. in the USA)
- Dunlop SP600 (Nissan GT-R)
- Federal 595 RS-R (splicing issues)
- Hankook R-S2 (new R-S3 seems to be better)
- Kumho XS KU36 (+ predecessor KU15)
- Toyo R1-R
- Yokohama AD08 (best of it's class)


semi slick tyrers, true track type:

- Bridgestone RE55 + new RE11s
- Conti ForceContact
- Dunlop Direzza 03G (ultimately the best)
- Dunlop SportMaxx Race (new)
- Hankook TD z221 (new)
- Kumho V70a
- Michelin PS Cup/Cup+
- Pirelli P Zero Corsa
- Pirelli P Zero Trofeo
- Toyo R888
- Yokohama A048R

 

[Hurdy]

I can say for certain that the Federal's are easily as good as the R1R's after a little more "testing" today.

They are very predictable, which is invaluable in a tyre and for me are okay to use as a daily tyre as well as the odd track day.

Maybe on my 1/4ton lighter car this is all I need Bruce   

[the bruce]

I still have them as well, Hurdy. I never minded they were as good at cornering as the R1-R.
But you shurely won't deny that many people had the splicing issues you can read about
on many forums..

The Paradas are no 'milestone' at all. They are crap. 

[Janner_Sy]

They are very predictable, which is invaluable in a tyre and for me are okay to use as a daily tyre as well as the odd track day.

So thats now 3 threads that Bruce is posting in, adamant that his opinion is the only one that is correct 

[danishmkvgti]

They are very predictable, which is invaluable in a tyre and for me are okay to use as a daily tyre as well as the odd track day.

So thats now 3 threads that Bruce is posting in, adamant that his opinion is the only one that is correct 

we all have our own opinions and waysof getting to them. IMO mentioning parada specs 2 tyres in track days tyres isn't relevant, as they are a 10 year old design and no way good enough for the track. And of course i believe my opinion is correct. You then have your own right to agree or disagree Janner Sy, but all opinions are wellcome, including yours

[Janner_Sy]

I can admit I'm wrong

[danishmkvgti]

I can admit I'm wrong