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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2009, 08:37:27 pm »
Hi

im new around here but i have a set or R32 rears that im hoping to fit to my mk v over the next few days . I can post back here with my findings if it helps .

Liam

Liamo how is your conversion going is it done yet.  :jumping:


Progress is slow im afraid .Ive been workin on a few friends cars lately .
 Im going to bite the bullet next week and take the car off the road til im finished work on it . I have to fit the brakes , refit my coilovers,  the hybrid turbo, change the clutch for a new SMF kit from sachs,an S3 intercooler , quaiffe diff and do the TB and usual service . Its going to be a long week of late nights . Ill report back with pics .

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2009, 09:08:38 pm »
Are we 100% that the R32 rears actually fit the GTI in a similar way to the fronts - as in not more work involved like been suggested elsewhere?

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2009, 04:00:03 pm »
See the GolfMkV post I linked to. Guy fitted it with no problems apparently.

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2009, 08:32:47 pm »
Quote "the rear brakes are bolt on, even the rear brake lines are the same
the only difference is that the heatshield for the rear, only 2 of the 3 holes line up
but it is secure"

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2009, 11:38:53 am »
do std mk5 gti fronts fit on the back?


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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2009, 02:28:32 pm »
Nope, front are completley different due to the handbrake mech.

The Rear R32 setup is as big as the std fron GTI setup though  :surprised:

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2009, 02:36:40 pm »
R32 is 4wd so the rears would be very hard to convert, Infact i would say its a no-no.

waits to be corrected.

TT was gonna do it.  :smiley:

Unless this can be resolved with some definative answers, then the whole R32 345mm OEM set up will be put on hold, and I might get some lush 6-pot Alcons.
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2009, 02:40:14 pm »
TT said it wasn't a simple swap as there was quite a substantial difference in set-up between the R32 and the GTI.

Yup, it is all down to the front wheel drive vs four wheel drive rear end.  EVERYTHING on the rear is different, including bearing sizes, hubs, hub uprights, etc.  Could be a serious money-pit if you tried the R32 rears on a GTI.  :scared:

I was wondering if my stock GTI fronts would fit on the rear? anyone any idea?

Erm, quiet word in your ear John <handbrake>  :wink:

So, no.  Won't work.
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2009, 02:42:45 pm »
I asked about these from my mate at vw and i think the kit was about £300 might be a bit more as it was just a rough price as i think these would be good for me when i fit the RS4 setup on the front  :evilgrin:

That deffo wont work, unless you get serious with hammers, chisels, saws, and a bigger hammer!  :evilgrin:  :evilgrin:
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2009, 02:45:56 pm »
Yeah, you can't really go putting giant stoppers up front and leave the rears alone. Ideally you want nice flat braking, rather than slamming the front valance into the tarmac when you hit them and having the back end go light.

But you can adjust the bias, to specifically compensate for this very issue, through the ESP/ABS software - I posted a thread on the other forum about this, but <dare I say this> two so-called VAG experts dismissed, probably because they had never heard of it!  :jumping:


310mm vented rears with some decent pads will be pretty awesome mated up with those RS4 brakes!

We just need to find out what exactly we need and how to do it.

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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2009, 02:49:18 pm »
Rears - is it hard or easier than we think?

i will try and get some vw pics from there machine to see what the changes on the rear are or is it just a simple swap. just had a thought what does the cupra have on the rear is it the same as the r32? i have all the part numbers for the rear brake setup for the cupra so will compare part numbers with the r32  :happy2:

Been there, done that.  The GTI rear end (subframe down) is completey different to the GTI.  I think the only part number they share is for the caliper bleed screw!


just looked and rears on the cupra are 286mm

Yup, which is why us GTI folk prefer to use the Cupra R front brakes, rather than the R32 or Audi S3.  Saves getting the paint brush dirty.  :signLOL:
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2009, 02:53:55 pm »
Do the Cupras have vented rears, or solid like the Golf?

The Cupra rears are identical to the GTI and Octavia vRS - so the front wheel drive rears are all the same, whereas the four wheel drive R32/S3/A3q/TTq wont fit (well, not from OEM parts bins)!
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2009, 03:01:26 pm »
Autotech have told me today that they even utilise the splash guards and it is pretty much bolt on... I guess we'll see?

So it would seem that Autotech have just fabricated some new caliper carriers?  By the looks of the picture earlier in the thread, they would appear to be using the lower spec calipers which have a 38mm dia piston, rather than the 41mm dia piston calipers from the R32/S3.

Do you happen to know if they would sell the carrier separately?
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2009, 03:17:07 pm »
Crap - this moved on a lot!

Erm, in brief:

Brake bias, I don't know anyone who knows how to change it via the ECU, so I'll chose the physical method instead... that's not poo-pooing your idea - just makes more sense to me.

R32 rears go on ok, although the splash guard will only locate to 2 holes instead of 3. I haven't done the mod myself, so until I do then that isn't gospel... but seemingly plenty of others have.

RS4 fronts are going on, it's being done by AMD and others - I have no idea what's involved to say if it's a simple or chisel & hammer job??

Not sure what you mean on the caliper piston size point - the APs are 6-pots and the R32's are twin, so I wouldn't necessarily  expect the same sizes, don't 6/8-pots usually have staggered size pistons for "feel" and even pad wear??

They made custom bells & carriers for the AP discs & calipers. I sent them back as I wasn't happy with the clearance on the lower ball joint. IMO they needed a 20mm reduction on the bell offset and the carrier altering accordingly - so, I wouldn't bother asking them TBH. I do however know someone who can engineer carriers, if you have CAD to spec.
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Re: R32 rear brake conversion
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2009, 02:46:43 pm »
Crap - this moved on a lot!

Erm, in brief:

Brake bias, I don't know anyone who knows how to change it via the ECU, so I'll chose the physical method instead... that's not poo-pooing your idea - just makes more sense to me.

You cant actually 'adjust' the bias in the ECU.  But what it does do is basically re-define the default bias, depending on what physical hardware is at each end.  So if we just stick with the same size rear anchors, and look at differing front anchors - then a 312mm disc will provide more effective braking effort for the same pedal pressure as a 286mm, and a 345mm disc will be more than the 312 and the 286.  But because the bias is actually controlled electronically, rather than by old skool pressure limiting valves or load sensing valves - then any 'change' to disc performance at one end, which isn't matched by a (proportionately) equal change at the other - well this can seriously upset the bias - or brake balance.

Detail here: http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29

R32 rears go on ok, although the splash guard will only locate to 2 holes instead of 3. I haven't done the mod myself, so until I do then that isn't gospel... but seemingly plenty of others have.

As in - R32 rear calipers, discs, etc - or just the discs?

RS4 fronts are going on, it's being done by AMD and others - I have no idea what's involved to say if it's a simple or chisel & hammer job??

The caliper mounts will be quite different, as will the disc 'bells' - so some 're-engineering' will be required.  I take it you arn't going for the Ceramics off the RS4?  :chicken:  :evilgrin:

Not sure what you mean on the caliper piston size point - the APs are 6-pots and the R32's are twin, so I wouldn't necessarily  expect the same sizes, don't 6/8-pots usually have staggered size pistons for "feel" and even pad wear??

I'm referring to the actual diameter of the piston in the caliper, and specifically for the rears - and this is all relevent to the hydraulic advantages formulae.  The dia of the R32 rear piston is 41mm, whereas the GTI has a 38mm piston.  If those Autotech rear kits are using a standard caliper with a 38mm piston, then because the piston is smaller than the pukka R32 calipers, the rear brakes from Autotech will not be as effective as genuine R32 rear anchors.

And the R32 has single piston calipers at all four corners, just like the GTI (only the R32 are bigger!).

And yes, 4/6/8/10 pot calipers often have differing diameter pistons - for a variety of reasons.  Pedal 'feel' and pad wear are the usual cited reasons, but also brake noise, physically 'packaging' the pistons correctly in the caliper, and lastly, fashion can all be cited.

They made custom bells & carriers for the AP discs & calipers. I sent them back as I wasn't happy with the clearance on the lower ball joint. IMO they needed a 20mm reduction on the bell offset and the carrier altering accordingly - so, I wouldn't bother asking them TBH. I do however know someone who can engineer carriers, if you have CAD to spec.

Nice, keep us updated when you can, thanks.  :happy2:  :smiley:
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