MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Flint on August 26, 2015, 06:26:42 pm
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Hi
I've got the common diesel noise at idle, when warm on a 57 plate GTi. I've read on here about in addition to the chain and tensioner, people are also changing the camshaft adjuster. VW do a repair kit for the 05/06 cars but not for my later car. Does anybody know if the later cars only require the chain and tensioner changing?
Thanks
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Not sure on the issue with your car but we have the same surname
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I have read that some people have changed the chain and tensioner but still had the noise. Cant recall a member on here changing the chain and tensioner and still having the noise.
I changed everything. A few members have also gone down this route as they did not want to do the job again.
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I have read that some people have changed the chain and tensioner but still had the noise. Cant recall a member on here changing the chain and tensioner and still having the noise.
I changed everything. A few members have also gone down this route as they did not want to do the job again.
Thanks Dazza
What year is your car ? As mine is a 57 plate with bwa engine code you can't seem to buy the adjuster.
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Mines an AXX the adjustor is the same.
Think this is everything you will need.
clamp - N 90739901
chain - part no. 06D109229B
tensioner - part no. 06F109217A
gasket - part no. 06D103121B
seal - part no. 06E127248
gasket - part no. 06F103483D
Adjuster Bolt - part no. 06D109281D
Optional (Not Cheap)
adjustor 06F109088J
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Oh hello there!
Long time lurker here, finally decided to create my own account, yay!
I have owned a 2005 AXX gti for a few months now, and with 170000km on the clock the diesel-idle was pretty much a given.
At first I didn't care about it too much but it started to develop a noticeable rattle when revving a bit, and the diesel sound started to rival most tractors so I decided to finally do something about it. I took a gamble and only got the cam chain and tensioner (and all the seals) replaced. The garage had to drill out the adjuster bolt but thankfully nothing of value was lost.
Just picked it up this morning and all i can say is wow... Sounds like somebody changed a totally different engine to my car. Nice and quiet, pretty much like any other petrol engine save for a bit of clicking sounds from the injectors and fuel pump.
As to your question of whether to get the expensive cam adjustor replaced or not, unfortunately there is no definitive answer. Based on what I've read here and what I've heard elsewhere (and my recent experience of course), the odds are quite good going without the adjuster.
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Oh hello there!
Long time lurker here, finally decided to create my own account, yay!
I have owned a 2005 AXX gti for a few months now, and with 170000km on the clock the diesel-idle was pretty much a given.
At first I didn't care about it too much but it started to develop a noticeable rattle when revving a bit, and the diesel sound started to rival most tractors so I decided to finally do something about it. I took a gamble and only got the cam chain and tensioner (and all the seals) replaced. The garage had to drill out the adjuster bolt but thankfully nothing of value was lost.
Just picked it up this morning and all i can say is wow... Sounds like somebody changed a totally different engine to my car. Nice and quiet, pretty much like any other petrol engine save for a bit of clicking sounds from the injectors and fuel pump.
As to your question of whether to get the expensive cam adjustor replaced or not, unfortunately there is no definitive answer. Based on what I've read here and what I've heard elsewhere (and my recent experience of course), the odds are quite good going without the adjuster.
Welcome!
Good to know even professionals have to drill out the adjustor bolt. I don't know if i would recommend reusing the adjustor after drilling the bolt out, there are holes where the bolts sits these were full of metal shavings when i got mine off.
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Welcome!
Good to know even professionals have to drill out the adjustor bolt. I don't know if i would recommend reusing the adjustor after drilling the bolt out, there are holes where the bolts sits these were full of metal shavings when i got mine off.
Hi dazza!
I was a bit concerned about the adjuster as well after hearing they had to drill the bolt out (yep, have read your story :wink:), so I asked if the thing was still 100% good to go. They showed me the bolt and it was still intact (except for the hole in the middle of course!)
They also gave a 2-year warranty for the entire service, so I'm not too worried. Also I do know the guys quite well so I don't think they would rip me off if some major disaster happens.
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Thanks for your help Dazza and Sikana.
My issue is that mine is a bwa engine code and if you want the adjuster it comes as part of a kit for £999 with parts you don't need. Whereas for the axx engine you can just buy the adjuster.
Cheers
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I had my timing chain done recently at a VW Beadles in my 08 TSi gt - just to be safe then sorry after buying it @ 60k miles - the engineers called me in on the day to show me nothing was wrong with the original part and tensioners but we went ahead with the change anyway, the only rattle I have now is from my DMF in idle - which is fine by me!
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Welcome!
Good to know even professionals have to drill out the adjustor bolt. I don't know if i would recommend reusing the adjustor after drilling the bolt out, there are holes where the bolts sits these were full of metal shavings when i got mine off.
Hi dazza!
I was a bit concerned about the adjuster as well after hearing they had to drill the bolt out (yep, have read your story :wink:), so I asked if the thing was still 100% good to go. They showed me the bolt and it was still intact (except for the hole in the middle of course!)
They also gave a 2-year warranty for the entire service, so I'm not too worried. Also I do know the guys quite well so I don't think they would rip me off if some major disaster happens.
Where did you have it done mate?
I've recently changed my oil for the first time since buying the car and went for Castrol Edge 5w 40 and it has quietened the engine down a fair bit and bizarrely seems to have calmed the slight idle misfire down a little.
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Thanks for your help Dazza and Sikana.
My issue is that mine is a bwa engine code and if you want the adjuster it comes as part of a kit for £999 with parts you don't need. Whereas for the axx engine you can just buy the adjuster.
Cheers
You can buy just the adjustor the part number is 06F109088J who ever told you that you need the housing as well is talking :booty:
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My local dealer told me the same. I have him art number for adjuster and it referred him to different diagram and say you require the housing too :fighting: although was about £480 inc
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Thanks for your help Dazza and Sikana.
My issue is that mine is a bwa engine code and if you want the adjuster it comes as part of a kit for £999 with parts you don't need. Whereas for the axx engine you can just buy the adjuster.
Cheers
You can buy just the adjustor the part number is 06F109088J who ever told you that you need the housing as well is talking :booty:
Thanks again Dazza,
So what your saying is the adjuster for the axx and bwa engines are the same?
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Thanks again Dazza,
So what your saying is the adjuster for the axx and bwa engines are the same?
Yep the adjustor should be the same, I wouldn't bother changing it just the chain and tensioner seems to solve the problem.
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Hello mate, had a few issues when I got my GTi one of which was an intermittent rattle and diesel type clatter at idle, fears were backed up when I got the dreaded low oil pressure warning. Had everything replaced and the car was spot on until I went to pick it up and a very similar rattle came back, after a few days it turned out to be an issue with the variable valve timing. Got the car back and it was running better than it ever had, any flat spots were gone etc. The rattle is now back intermittently when the engine is warm and only at idle or very low engine speeds, a quick blip over 3500rpm seems to stop it (Im guessing something that is getting stuck in the vvt system becomes unstuck) may not be your issue but worth a look. The noise seems to come from the top of the engne, once your on the move it doesnt affect the car at all, but between 3k and 4k there is a noticable flat spot again.
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Thanks Andrew
My car is going to the garage tomorrow so hopefully I will have a better idea of what's causing the rattle.
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Did you have any luck mate?
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All sorted now at Midland VW. I had the timing chain and tensioner fitted and its now as it should be. Well pleased.
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Does the adjuster need to come off even if it doesn't need replacing? Like to get to the tensioner and chain?
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Does anyone actually know why the rattle only becomes audible once warm?
I guess because the viscosity of the oil gets lower as the engine heats.
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Is the diesel noise actually an issue other than sounding crap? Because my GTI is super loud and has been for some time but if it's just a noise, I can live with it.
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I have spoke to a vw master tech and he says that he has.never had a problem with the cam chain snapping but ive also heard that it can happen. Im just going to biy parts slwoly and when I have enough money get the labour done
Probably because the camfollower fails before the chain as i think they don't change them.
My car had always been serviced by VW i suspect if i had them service my car it would have eaten the cam follower by now.
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I have spoke to a vw master tech and he says that he has.never had a problem with the cam chain snapping but ive also heard that it can happen. Im just going to biy parts slwoly and when I have enough money get the labour done
It can happen. My cam chain snapped back in June.
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What was the damage?