Post by: AJP on September 22, 2015, 10:39:38 pm
I'm sure most, if not all of you are aware by now of recent events. In the most basic terms - VW have knowingly and deliberately cheated US emissions tests.
Their share price has taken a HUGE hit. And they're facing billions in costs on top.
Now we're all sat here happily in the UK in our petrol GTIs, but I do wonder...
How much are VW going to have to tighten their belts - globally?
Will the R400 mk7 be canned?
Is the mk7 GTI Clubsport going to be VWs swansong, in terms of the GTI brand?
Will my impending arch corrosion warranty claim be refused, point blank?!
I may be well off the mark, and I hope I am. But look at the financial hit. It's massive.
Mods - if there's an existing thread, please delete/merge. I couldn't find one.
Discuss!!!
Post by: Horatio on September 22, 2015, 10:48:29 pm
Post by: AJP on September 22, 2015, 10:57:21 pm
Could be intereting to see if any of the other car makers were aware and doing the same. Im thinking they were and are. Could possibly have stricter implications worldwide for vehicle emissions, ram up the road tax even more. :congrats:I'd be surprised if it was exclusively VAG up to this.
Really hard to gauge the implications at this stage, but when VAG have established themselves predominantly on the back of these magic diesels over the last couple of decades you've got to wonder whether the bubble has burst, and from that, just how much is going to be left in the pot for the development of hot (brand oriented) VWs and Audis.
Honda and Ford will be rubbing their hands... If they're not also in on it, like you suggest.
Post by: ARV_90 on September 23, 2015, 05:04:39 am
Post by: SRC on September 23, 2015, 10:13:47 am
Post by: ARV_90 on September 23, 2015, 11:23:32 am
Post by: Paradox1 on September 23, 2015, 11:26:17 am
Would this mean higher road tax too?
Post by: xjay1337 on September 23, 2015, 11:40:51 am
Lots of good information there.
Note that the BMW X5 35d also goes over nox limits in one of the tests.
Doesn't bother me at all personally.
it's just american pushing out european diesels
quite happy to spew around in cummins diesel powered pickups running 50psi of boost and plooms of smoke.
Post by: FJ1000 on September 23, 2015, 04:30:34 pm
Post by: AJP on September 23, 2015, 07:00:06 pm
Its worth pointing out that the European emission test results are not in question, its elsewhere (particularly the US, where NOx guidelines are much stricter and the test is done in a lab.) The European emissions tests are much harder to game.Yes, this is true. But I think the point is that VAG is a global company. I know it's not as simple as saying everything comes out of the same pot, but you've got to wonder how wide the fallout will reach. We can't be totally immune just because the tests were cheated across the pond rather than in Europe.
Time will tell!
Post by: richtung on September 23, 2015, 08:07:26 pm
Rich
Post by: Gaz on September 23, 2015, 10:22:32 pm
Id love to see VAG in F1!
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Post by: TAPPY on September 23, 2015, 11:15:58 pm
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053
Lots of good information there.
Note that the BMW X5 35d also goes over nox limits in one of the tests.
Doesn't bother me at all personally.
it's just american pushing out european diesels
quite happy to spew around in cummins diesel powered pickups running 50psi of boost and plooms of smoke.
Just read this bit on the link you posted.
"The software was designed to conceal the cars’ emissions of the pollutant nitrogen oxide, which contributes to the creation of ozone and smog. The pollutants are linked to a range of health problems, including asthma attacks and other respiratory diseases.
So how long until vw gets sued by somebody once they've had an asthma attack then?
Post by: xjay1337 on September 24, 2015, 01:23:30 am
:signLOL: :signLOL:
Post by: AJP on September 24, 2015, 04:38:47 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34345210
The plot thickens.
Post by: Chris92 on September 24, 2015, 07:14:55 pm
But really tho why on earth do it in the first place! So daft it's untrue for a car maker like vw. There was some really good cars on the horizon :sad1:
All this bull about emission being the main reason for global warming I just don't believe, they have only been recording the earths temps for something like 100 years or maybes more but anyways that is sooooooo little in terms of time when you think how old the earth is, it could of been getting warmer steadily for a very very long time.
All these tossers saying global warming this and that and putting all these laws etc in place, surely they should be making sure things we buy last way longer than they do. Think about it what do you buy these days that's built to last? Not very much at all! Renault clio is a disposable car literally pure junk. All this manufacturing will have just as much impact on the planet if not more than car emissions. Another thing do they think all this emission crap for cars such as PDF etc just grow on tree? More pointless manufacturing puffing out smog.
Post by: AJP on September 25, 2015, 04:19:00 pm
Does anyone think this will be the death of vag :scared:They did it to stay competitive. Low emissions are a big selling point - not in the slightest to the likes of me and you on a GTI forum - but think about fleets, and those wanting to pay smaller road tax charges.
But really tho why on earth do it in the first place! So daft it's untrue for a car maker like vw. There was some really good cars on the horizon :sad1:
All this bull about emission being the main reason for global warming I just don't believe, they have only been recording the earths temps for something like 100 years or maybes more but anyways that is sooooooo little in terms of time when you think how old the earth is, it could of been getting warmer steadily for a very very long time.
All these tossers saying global warming this and that and putting all these laws etc in place, surely they should be making sure things we buy last way longer than they do. Think about it what do you buy these days that's built to last? Not very much at all! Renault clio is a disposable car literally pure junk. All this manufacturing will have just as much impact on the planet if not more than car emissions. Another thing do they think all this emission crap for cars such as PDF etc just grow on tree? More pointless manufacturing puffing out smog.
Theoretically these dervs just wouldn't sell at all if they were burdened with road tax that reflected their true emission output. So they fudged the software to take care of that.
It won't be the end of VW, but I do wonder what the next ten years will look like. They're going to have to claw these huge costs back somehow.
Like I said in my original post, as long as they don't go all nazi in refusing (my rusty arch) warranty claims, I don't mind! But it'd be a real shame to see the showcase stuff like the R400 canned.
Post by: xjay1337 on September 25, 2015, 04:22:05 pm
Completely separate issues.
Post by: AJP on September 25, 2015, 04:27:50 pm
CO2 (what we are taxed on) are not NOX emissionsYeah, true. But they were at it in Europe too, so what were they hiding over here??
Completely separate issues.
Post by: xjay1337 on September 25, 2015, 04:29:18 pm
Only that their cars may be more emissions-rich than they are in tests under real world driving.
Which is the same for ALL cars.
:stupid:
Post by: Frenzy on September 26, 2015, 11:32:36 am
* Are they the only manufacturers guilty
* will the $h*t stick in terms of public perception
* will the fines and share price losses be too damaging
If so then you'll probably see at best key brands of VAG having to be sold off to recoup losses in the short term. If its truly crippling then VW themselves could end up merging/ taken over...
Just proves what i've been saying all along - dervs are dirty, dirty, dirty :evilgrin: :fighting:
Post by: rich83 on September 26, 2015, 01:35:29 pm
Post by: SRC on September 26, 2015, 05:18:44 pm
If VW have been playing the system, you can bet others manufacturers will have been doing the same. My money's on BMW next - look how impressive their claimed emissions and consumption figures are, despite no reported loss in performance.I love being right. Shame my wife doesn't read this forum. According to her, I'm never right.
Post by: Hurdy on September 28, 2015, 04:25:14 pm
Honestly though, who here gives a monkeys if their diesel is dirtier than they first thought?
As long as it gives the power and makes decent mpg that is all most people are bothered about. There will be future fallout from higher residual depreciation, but again if you have an xx year old diesel and you are keeping it do you really care, especially if it has already saved you thousand in fuel costs?
Heads will roll on the VAG executive board and the shares will take an initial major hit, but it will all bounce back and by 2020 who will remember?
My 2 penneth. Obviously my opinion too. :rolleye:
Post by: dazza on September 28, 2015, 05:48:54 pm
Post by: doylebros on September 28, 2015, 06:23:55 pm
Post by: SRC on September 28, 2015, 09:15:38 pm
Saab, Daewoo, VW? I hope not.
Post by: doylebros on September 28, 2015, 09:20:53 pm
Post by: Mk5Dom on October 01, 2015, 01:08:14 pm
Post by: ARV_90 on October 03, 2015, 06:16:40 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff229%2FBesidog%2FGTDVW170_zpsssqg0a0n.jpg&hash=56f15ec03e65ad811e07c4698e81506adc56669f)
Post by: doylebros on October 03, 2015, 06:28:53 pm
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vw-scandal-renault-nissan-ceo-041920230.html
Post by: Gti_Mad on October 04, 2015, 09:31:05 pm
Great !!!!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fff229%2FBesidog%2FGTDVW170_zpsssqg0a0n.jpg&hash=56f15ec03e65ad811e07c4698e81506adc56669f)
How do u check that ??
Post by: v4rley on October 04, 2015, 09:42:12 pm
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo
Post by: skard on October 04, 2015, 10:08:46 pm
Post by: xjay1337 on October 05, 2015, 01:07:28 pm
Post by: Hedge on October 05, 2015, 02:34:04 pm
How do u check that ??
I don't think Mk6 R's are affected. :wink:
Post by: Gti_Mad on October 05, 2015, 04:12:20 pm
How do u check that ??
I don't think Mk6 R's are affected. :wink:
That's handy then :driver:
Post by: rich83 on October 05, 2015, 04:20:15 pm
Post by: skard on October 05, 2015, 08:42:38 pm
If it keeps you up at night then you need to really worry about something else!
Sarcasm
Post by: Alex.J on October 06, 2015, 01:33:40 pm
Yes they did wrong, yes, its a lie..
but I feel now, all other companies did it too..
Just imagine the fines!!!!
Post by: rich83 on October 06, 2015, 03:05:14 pm
Post by: doylebros on October 06, 2015, 05:01:23 pm
An interesting article well worth a listen - the last 15mins talks about VW.
Lawyer is trying to charge them - he wants VW charged with manslaughter, even murder!
Post by: richtung on October 07, 2015, 08:00:45 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06flmf1
An interesting article well worth a listen - the last 15mins talks about VW.
Lawyer is trying to charge them - he wants VW charged with manslaughter, even murder!
I heard this mentioned of news - how crazy is this?? So, he wants VW charged for murder or manslaughter for the deaths caused by the pollutants etc etc.
I would love to see how they can pin any deaths on VW? What next, charge individuals who own diesel cars over ten years old?? Flipping ridiculous!
Rich
Post by: MateyGuv on October 07, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
In the short term prices may be effected but to suggest VW are liable (in that link) for murder and manslaughtet is clutching at straws!! What VAG did had no effect to safety at all.
Not so long ago Toyota had some problems where 5 people actually lost their lives as a direct consequence of their actions and the fines they got were tiny in comparison to what VAG face.
It'll not do VW any good but they will recover. I can't see any development happening for a few years though
Post by: HandyAndy on October 20, 2015, 10:28:04 pm
Thankfully, I won't be inconvenienced by the recall.
Post by: rich83 on October 20, 2015, 11:37:56 pm
Post by: Mk5Dom on October 21, 2015, 12:53:00 pm
Overhyped. Boring. Bandwagon.
Post by: Shoduchi on October 21, 2015, 04:10:58 pm
We wont be taking our car in for the recall.You'll probably get bigger injectors and a new tune that will decrease the car's mpg and give lower torque at lower engine rpm. Later you can tune it to 140 BHP to make it more pleasant. :signLOL:
Post by: Gazza747 on October 28, 2015, 08:23:55 am
We wont be taking our car in for the recall.
I have the 2.0 engine and have the letter regarding the recall, can I ask why you are not taking your car in?
Post by: Shoduchi on October 28, 2015, 10:41:42 am
The mpg will decrease since the cat needs more fuel to be more efficient. Also, the 1.6 TDI will probably get AdBlue.
Post by: rich83 on October 28, 2015, 01:14:57 pm
We wont be taking our car in for the recall.
I have the 2.0 engine and have the letter regarding the recall, can I ask why you are not taking your car in?
Can't be arsed. Inconvenient. Not our problem.
Post by: doylebros on November 09, 2015, 05:18:47 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34763777
Any thoughts?
Post by: xjay1337 on November 09, 2015, 05:30:06 pm
But I'm not going to sue them.
Post by: doylebros on November 10, 2015, 04:28:21 pm
Notice this paragraph:-
"Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported on Saturday that VW managers were worried about travelling to the United States because U.S. investigators have confiscated the passport of a VW employee while on a visit there".
No VW staff will want to fly into America now since that's how you treat criminals!
Post by: doylebros on November 25, 2015, 05:18:28 pm
the word "fraud" now that's the time too worry if you've got shares in VW!
I can see the German government getting the VW group of companies loot out here in fines before anyone else can,cause that word fraud is used!
What will be left is the equipment and the workers for the Yanks!
Let see if they keep those workers on and where's the pension loot?