MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Greenman on February 07, 2016, 02:17:14 pm
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Hey all.
As most on here probably know i had a bit of an off a month ago and have now got the car back.
I was driving at very low speeds yesterday around a small roundabout the the back end nearly stepped out again. It was wet but i was at such low speeds i really would not expect to loose any traction.
Has anyone had any issues like this after fitting eibach sportline springs on standard dampers?
I was also told that this could be due to part worn pirellis on the rear but i did not have this issue before fitting the sportlines.
In fact, after having them fitted the car handled fine, but now the back end is f*cking dangerous and i'm having to take it easy on all roundabouts.
Are these cars just notorious for being a bit tail happy in the wet even at low speeds?
I'm just trying to ascertain if i should fork out the £160 for some new goodyears on the rear or investigate suspension issues.
All of the tracking was done about 4 days ago.
Would it be worth taking it to a local garage for them to inspect? - what can they actually check?
TIA.
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Have sportlines on mine with standard shocks (have done 174K) and is absolutley planted
No tail happy roundabout issues whatsoever
Have you checked your tyres pressures and tracking?
Mine was so much better with the Eibach springs fitted
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I personally think either you're alloy is feckered and unbalanced.
SORRY meant to say tracking 4 wheel alignment issues !!! :stupid:
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These cars aren't tail happy at all. To get mine to lose the back end I'd have to really try and unsettle the rear, lift off and turn in violently. If I'm pushing it out of a roundabout it just grips, and the first thing to go would be the front. But that's never happened as I'd have to be driving like a loon to even get it to understeer.
I'm on 30mm H&R springs, MPSS all round, full Hunter geo in the last year.
Something aint right with your car mate.
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Some things not right if it's tail happy like your describing
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Have you got a copy of the alignment sheet.??
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I'm off to a trusted garage tomorrow for them to check it over and have some pirellis fitted.
Fingers crossed.
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Have you got a copy of the alignment sheet.??
Just had a look at the paperwork they gave me and no i do not.
I might get them to do the tracking again tomorrow.
This has only started happening since the sportlines went on, so bizarre. I recon the springs have been fitted wrongly.
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Pretty hard to feck it up. Must be the alignment
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Out of interest what or did they replace any suspension parts while it was in the garage
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Ive had mine fitted with sportlines with stock shocks and mine sticks to the ground. Check your rear tyres maybe??
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Have you got a copy of the alignment sheet.??
Just had a look at the paperwork they gave me and no i do not.
I might get them to do the tracking again tomorrow.
This has only started happening since the sportlines went on, so bizarre. I recon the springs have been fitted wrongly.
When you say tracking, is it a proper 4 wheel alignment, on a decent machine like a Hunter?
There's a world of difference between the sort of thing some garages call tracking, and a full setup with the right kit by someone who knows what they're doing.
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Mines a nightmare in the wet, the back end stepped out doing 40mph in 6th gear round a bend. It's a 4motion too
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Mines a nightmare in the wet, the back end stepped out doing 40mph in 6th gear round a bend. It's a 4motion too
What tyres are you rolling with as I used to have that issue with my 4wd?
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These cars do not easily step out on the rear ... If anything it should understeer in the wet rather than oversteer.
So I'd definitely say something is wrong ... Was it a garage who fitted your springs or yourself/friends?
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@r5gtt
They're pretty sh*t tyres on there at the moment, not a brand that's worth worrying about. I plan on getting a full set when I get the wheels refurbed.
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These cars do not easily step out on the rear ... If anything it should understeer in the wet rather than oversteer.
So I'd definitely say something is wrong ... Was it a garage who fitted your springs or yourself/friends?
Had them fitted by a local garage i have been going to for years, but he did have issues fitting them, took them 5 hours and i had to have two new top mounts on the rear!
Hopefully the garage tomorrow will sort it out or at least find the problem.
If not Stealers might have to be contacted...:(
Do they like modded cars?
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199)
They're pretty sh*t tyres on there at the moment, not a brand that's worth worrying about. I plan on getting a full set when I get the wheels refurbed.
An0NyMOUs that's got to be it bro. I replaced my dunaplop for Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 and day and night difference honestly :driver:
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199)
They're pretty sh*t tyres on there at the moment, not a brand that's worth worrying about. I plan on getting a full set when I get the wheels refurbed.
An0NyMOUs that's got to be it bro. I replaced my dunaplop for Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 and day and night difference honestly :driver:
Yeah I'll get some tyres sorted in the near future and see how I get on with it. Doesn't help that I've got ESP issues either though :D
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These cars do not easily step out on the rear ... If anything it should understeer in the wet rather than oversteer.
So I'd definitely say something is wrong ... Was it a garage who fitted your springs or yourself/friends?
Had them fitted by a local garage i have been going to for years, but he did have issues fitting them, took them 5 hours and i had to have two new top mounts on the rear!
Hopefully the garage tomorrow will sort it out or at least find the problem.
If not Stealers might have to be contacted...:(
Do they like modded cars?
Does seem a bit of a long time to fit them. It took my mate that long to fit my Coilovers with multiple breaks involved, and that wasn't on a ramp to make life easier.
New top mounts aren't out the ordinary, wise to replace them with new ones when fitting new springs or Coilovers.
Hope you resolve the issue anyway!
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@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199)
They're pretty sh*t tyres on there at the moment, not a brand that's worth worrying about. I plan on getting a full set when I get the wheels refurbed.
An0NyMOUs that's got to be it bro. I replaced my dunaplop for Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 and day and night difference honestly :driver:
Yeah I'll get some tyres sorted in the near future and see how I get on with it. Doesn't help that I've got ESP issues either though :D
:stupid: lol only teasing :drinking:
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Booked in for a local VW Specialist to look over the car on thurs.
Keeping my fingers crossed they find the issue and don't find anything too bad!
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Are they the right springs? There is a version for Manual and DSG, rated to different weights.
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The weight ratings wouldn't cause that.
my car is neutral on sport dampers and h&r springs. i have to be an absolute buffoon to make it step out.
something is wrong and i would imagine it's sh*te tyres on the back or worn bushes or bad alignment or combination of all.
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The weight ratings wouldn't cause that.
my car is neutral on sport dampers and h&r springs. i have to be an absolute buffoon to make it step out.
something is wrong and i would imagine it's sh*te tyres on the back or worn bushes or bad alignment or combination of all.
Plan is to see what they can find and if they fail to find any issues with suspension then it's off to get two new rear tyres...:)
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Even sh*te tyres shouldn't be bad at that low speed
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Are all of your ARB links intact? Might be worth a look there at those. Sounds to me to be the rubber. I had Sportlines on oem dampers for over two years and never lost confidence in them in regards to cornering traction. I pushed hard through them, wet and cold, and never had an issue other than understeer...which caused me to replace the ARB's to H&R. Eventually I added Bilstein B8 dampers and messed with the springs some more to include H&R SS's in front and H&R adjustable coilover springs in back, but only for appearances sake.
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Maybe there was a bit of oil on the roundabout
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It's possible that there could have been a diesel spill or leak on the tarmac as I lost my reno gt on a round about and I wasn't even doing 10mph ended up in the curb of the round about and cars stopped all over the place probably wondering what happened :signLOL:
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So i had the car looked at at a specialist VW garage today.
They could not find anything wrong with the suspension, but advised i upgrade the shocks to accompany the springs.
I have been testing it out (gradually going a bit faster at a time) around corners in the latest dry conditions and it seems fine.
I really do think this is now just an issue with the old rear pirelli's in the wet so two new goodyears going on the rear on sunday.
Fingers crossed this will sort the tail happy issues in the wet.
:)
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Or just you know, slow down.
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Or just you know, slow down.
I'm driving about 20mph everywhere now, mainly because some fool in red trousers (mayor) has turned most of Bristol into 20mph zones, but also because i'm paranoid to f*ck about loosing it again...;)
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well at least your fuel consumption will be at its very minimum :signLOL:
I was travelling to another end of London on a help out forum member with his dsg locking a few weeks back and everywhere was 20mph even on wide roads ffs :stupid:
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Any updates
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Any updates
Got the rear tyres replaced with some GY AS 3's and it's so much better now.
Have taken corners slowly at first and have built up to faster speeds and it seems fine, in the wet and dry.
Though i am now mega paranoid with the back end, so i'm not pushing it to it's limits, which tbh, is a good thing really.
So yeah happy bunny now, thanks for asking...:)
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Not a dig at you personally, but so many people underestimate the difference a good set of tyres can make, especially when they differ between the axles....
One of the reasons they always tell you to put the new and presumably grippier (Is that even a word? :signLOL:) tyres on the rear to avoid it snapping as it did to you. Matched set of 4 is the way forward :happy2:
That and the Goodyear Eagles are a cracking tyre no matter what @Rich83 says :wink: :signLOL:
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Mine stepped out a couple of weeks ago, on a wet roundabout (approx. 15mph) I've been round every day for 12 years.
Car has Eagle Assy 2s all round.
Car had a health check at VW today whilst in for service and the dampers and springs are fine.
Therefore I can only deduce it was diesel + wet + <8 deg C (where all summer tyres are sh1t) that caused it!
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Not a dig at you personally, but so many people underestimate the difference a good set of tyres can make, especially when they differ between the axles....
One of the reasons they always tell you to put the new and presumably grippier (Is that even a word? :signLOL:) tyres on the rear to avoid it snapping as it did to you. Matched set of 4 is the way forward :happy2:
That and the Goodyear Eagles are a cracking tyre no matter what @Rich83 says :wink: :signLOL:
If i realised just how worn my rears were i would of replaced all four. I should of spent more time checking the ware.
Agree about the GY EF1's, i had them on the scooby back in the day and they totally transformed the handling of the car.
I had toyo's on there before and they were sh*t. Just so happens i had eibachs on the that car too.