Post by: danc1706 on April 07, 2016, 11:50:34 pm
Cheers in advance
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Post by: Luntz90 on April 08, 2016, 07:32:01 am
Post by: danc1706 on April 08, 2016, 07:34:24 am
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Post by: ed30Lewis on April 08, 2016, 08:33:21 am
S3/R32 calipers are 345mm discs or your can use Audi TTS Discs which are 340mm with this caliper. The 340mm discs are lighter than the 345mm discs and also prevent any form of lip on the edge of the disc which you get on the 345mm. IMO the TTS disc is the way forward if you're going with the S3/R32 calipers.
There is also the NQSBBK which is another decent upgrade. More info here:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13985.0.html
Its a big thread, but well worth your time reading it :happy2:
Again, there is bigger setups which you can go for. Just depends on how deep your pockets are and how much stopping power you need/want :wink:
Post by: danc1706 on April 08, 2016, 08:35:14 am
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Post by: Reesy23 on April 09, 2016, 08:40:53 am
Post by: howie1987 on April 09, 2016, 09:33:43 am
I wish i new about the 340mm discs though lol.
Post by: danc1706 on April 09, 2016, 01:20:32 pm
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Post by: Softishman on April 09, 2016, 02:10:19 pm
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Post by: danc1706 on April 09, 2016, 02:15:36 pm
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Post by: Shoduchi on April 09, 2016, 03:40:31 pm
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Post by: Stupots on April 09, 2016, 05:25:47 pm
How do you find them and the pedal feel compared to OEM?
Post by: Shoduchi on April 09, 2016, 05:40:03 pm
@Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) good to see some 18z brakes with non-drilled disks. I'm about to put this brake setup on my 4Motion and got non-drilled, but was wondering if I should have gone with the drilled, purely for the looks, but guess we get a bit more surface area without :wink:I also fitted the R32 rear brake setup that has bigger pistons. With my 23,8 mm3 MC works really well with the setup. I've done a track day and I can't fault the brakes. It has a great pedal feel. The car stops better than accelerates. :happy2:
How do you find them and the pedal feel compared to OEM?
Just check if your MC shows a 23 or a 22 in the outside. Older mk5 GTIs received the 22 mm3 MC instead of the bigger version (on later GTIs and all R32).
Post by: danc1706 on April 09, 2016, 05:40:46 pm
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Post by: Adam0604 on April 09, 2016, 05:48:07 pm
Brembos 18Z with 350 mm discs:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2FGolf_GTI_Ed._30_28.jpg&hash=ef58cbb606643cf7a3cacbe69c9640a01d7ec154)
How much did the entire front brake setup cost you mate? Calipers, discs, pads, mountings the lot.
Post by: Shoduchi on April 09, 2016, 06:10:24 pm
Around 930 €/£ 750.Brembos 18Z with 350 mm discs:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2FGolf_GTI_Ed._30_28.jpg&hash=ef58cbb606643cf7a3cacbe69c9640a01d7ec154)
How much did the entire front brake setup cost you mate? Calipers, discs, pads, mountings the lot.
Post by: AJP on April 09, 2016, 06:11:28 pm
You can get the 18z as a kit from a few vendors. Here's one:Brembos 18Z with 350 mm discs:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2FGolf_GTI_Ed._30_28.jpg&hash=ef58cbb606643cf7a3cacbe69c9640a01d7ec154)
How much did the entire front brake setup cost you mate? Calipers, discs, pads, mountings the lot.
http://www.pwmotorsport.com/pr,107,brembo-18z-calipers-6pdiscspads-golf-mk5mk6mk7,shop,brembo-big-brake-kits-pp,brembo-6-pistons-upgrade-vag-5x112kits.html
It can probably be done cheaper if you get hold of the components separately. Quite a few refurbed 18z calipers on ebay. Think I remember reading that a 17z pad works best in the 18z caliper on the mk5 platform.
Going the TTRS route, the calipers on their own seem to have become quite rare, but a full kit with pads, 340mm TTS discs and adaptors can be had for 1200 (I think) from @vRSAlex at AKS Tuning. They're advertised as Aston DB7 calipers - the same thing as TTRS/RS3 calipers. They also offer the same kit but with two piece 362mm discs, at 2 grand. OEM 370mm TTRS discs themselves have a bad rep, and are something I'll personally avoid when I get round to BBK time.
Post by: Shoduchi on April 09, 2016, 06:14:55 pm
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Post by: Stupots on April 09, 2016, 07:19:58 pm
Prices... I picked up my kit gradually so as I could get bargains as and when they appeared. The calipers were about £300 on eBay from a 2012 VW Touareg, the Brembo pads were about £80 from Amazon, the Zimmermman Zcoat disks were about £130 from eBay (from Germany) and the pad fitting kit was about £15 from Camskill. Oh and then there's the pips, I got them from eBay for about £40. I've not got a bolt kit yet, but you can make your own for less than £10 using 12.9 bolts/nuts and some14mm ID 16mm OD stainless pipe. So I guess a fair price for a put it together yourself kit is around £600.
I'm doing R32 on the rear and though the calipers can be purchased new on eBay for £75 each you'll need the carriers which are around £50 each new... I think my 310mm R32 Zimmermann disks were about £70
That mounting kit looks great, I've not seen that before, but had they same idea as far as replacing the nuts with a metal plate like that.
I have the correct pads for 18z calipers (i.e. not the 17z pads), will that cause an issue for me?
Cheers
Stu
Post by: AJP on April 09, 2016, 07:30:33 pm
I'll check my MC. I suspect being a diesel it will be 22 :(Good info mate, and Shoduchi.
Prices... I picked up my kit gradually so as I could get bargains as and when they appeared. The calipers were about £300 on eBay from a 2012 VW Touareg, the Brembo pads were about £80 from Amazon, the Zimmermman Zcoat disks were about £130 from eBay (from Germany) and the pad fitting kit was about £15 from Camskill. I've not got a bolt kit yet, but you can make your own for less than £10 using 12.9 bolts/nuts and some14mm ID 16mm OD stainless pipe. So I guess a fair price for a put it together yourself kit is around £600.
I'm doing R32 on the rear and though the calipers can be purchased new on eBay for £75 each you'll need the carriers which are around £50 each new... I think my 310mm R32 Zimmermann disks were about £70
That mounting kit looks great, I've not seen that before, but had they same idea as far as replacing the nuts with a metal plate like that.
I have the correct pads for 18z calipers (i.e. not the 17z pads), will that cause an issue for me?
Cheers
Stu
I can't find the thread now but there were a couple of concerns of Dave B (Vagbremtechnic) regarding the 18z and 350mm MB discs. If I remember correctly, one was the adaptor ring for the disc/hub, and the other was that the bolts really had to be up to a certain strength/tensile. That said, I haven't heard one horror story about the 18z setup on a mk5.
If anyone knows of that thread feel free to link to it!
Post by: AlexK1 on May 21, 2016, 12:04:41 pm
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Post by: Paradox1 on May 23, 2016, 12:58:29 pm
Post by: AJP on May 23, 2016, 01:24:01 pm
The TTRS master cylinder can be used, but I think you might need to also change the servo to do this. Don't quote me on that, but please do research piston area and master cylinder upgrades along with the brakes themselves. The calipers must be within the master cylinder's operating capacity, or you'll run into problems.
Post by: Dave J on May 23, 2016, 11:00:13 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm87%2Fdaj197%2FDSCN6485.jpg&hash=1f7baf6ab2a20afb429001cf5aee700ed74fced0)
Would love some of the even bigger braking options as shown, but didn't want spacers and this kit was what I was happy to justify the expense on. Was never happy with the ED30 brakes as standard - I think the same 312mm, 256mm rear was fitted to the old 180bhp 1.8t's, so on a car with another 50bhp (& weight), it was a bit stingy by VW when the Cupra got the better stuff!
Post by: AJP on May 24, 2016, 04:38:36 pm
This is my R32/S3/TTS set-up - calipers with 340mm Brembo High Carbon discs (have a lovely painted surface on the edges and centre hub part to prevent corrosion. They are a bit heavier than standard, but I have the S3 ali wishbones (hubs yet to fit), so don't feel noticeable now I'm used to them.I might end up going for this, as I'm not keen on a 10/12mm spacer to fit TTRS calipers behind my VZs if it turns out that's what's needed. It's just the weight of the R32/S3 calipers that puts me off.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fm87%2Fdaj197%2FDSCN6485.jpg&hash=1f7baf6ab2a20afb429001cf5aee700ed74fced0)
Would love some of the even bigger braking options as shown, but didn't want spacers and this kit was what I was happy to justify the expense on. Was never happy with the ED30 brakes as standard - I think the same 312mm, 256mm rear was fitted to the old 180bhp 1.8t's, so on a car with another 50bhp (& weight), it was a bit stingy by VW when the Cupra got the better stuff!
Incidentally I had the Cupra R Brembos with 323mm discs on my old mk4. Much nicer than anything the Golfs got!
Post by: Paradox1 on May 24, 2016, 05:27:09 pm
Post by: danc1706 on May 24, 2016, 05:44:26 pm
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Post by: Dave J on May 24, 2016, 08:42:01 pm
I ended up going for the r32 calipers, vagbremtechic j hooked 340mm discs, ferodo ds2500 pads and hel braided lines, haven't fitted them yet thoughYou should be happy with that combo - have the same pads. Thought I'd done the wrong thing to start with as they squealed a bit at low speed, but properly bedded in they have quietened down.
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Nice choice on discs - sadly those weren't available when I bought mine, otherwise I'd have gone for them. Next time...!