Post by: DomBacon on May 07, 2016, 11:06:24 pm
Whats everyone else gone for?
Post by: DANBOY66 on May 08, 2016, 05:33:39 am
with out a doubt :wink:
Post by: bigeyd on May 08, 2016, 07:12:29 am
Post by: Burbs22 on May 08, 2016, 12:28:03 pm
Had the old THS ones first and they gave up after only a few thousand miles one actually snapped and I had the full set!
Post by: CarlW on May 08, 2016, 04:20:25 pm
Vibratechniks all day long, they are solid they don't make the car vibrate (road ones anyway can't comment on competition ones) they transmit a lovely noise to the cabin and transform how the car drives. There is basically no way to fault them.
Had the old THS ones first and they gave up after only a few thousand miles one actually snapped and I had the full set!
Have you got the full set of Vibratechniks? or just the lower engine mount? Seems quite a few people just do the lower engine mount and then either leave the side mounts or replace with OEM so I'm curious
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 04:31:10 pm
Post by: ROH ECHT on May 08, 2016, 04:33:48 pm
r5gtt...I don't get how replacing one upgraded lower tranny mount puts more strain on the two upper as it would lower torque put on them? Now then, not doing the upper two, when you do only the lower, does put more strain on the lower mount. :happy2:
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 05:22:48 pm
Post by: th3_f15t on May 08, 2016, 07:41:36 pm
Post by: MrJT247 on May 08, 2016, 08:42:26 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 09:08:22 pm
Post by: dansmith180 on May 08, 2016, 09:18:00 pm
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Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 09:29:25 pm
Can I ask why the engines coming out?.
Post by: dansmith180 on May 08, 2016, 09:53:22 pm
The engine and gear box ones are very important and would be best doing whilst engine is out. :happy2:
Can I ask why the engines coming out?.
Thanks mate, having a BWJ put in as the AXX is dying and I want more power :evilgrin:
Might have to just to just do the engine one as I'm running out of budget
Post by: MrJT247 on May 08, 2016, 10:32:52 pm
Been told the Revo vibrate too much which is why two sellers sold the complete set for £200 but I didn't buy them because of the poor reviews from others. no offence to anyone.
You obviously like it a little on the spongy side... it happens with age.
Function over form for me. I'm very pleased with the performance per pound value the Revo mounts offer tbf.
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 10:58:19 pm
I'd say definitely get them done although you're running out of budget it's worth doing whilst everything is accessible :smiley:The engine and gear box ones are very important and would be best doing whilst engine is out. :happy2:
Can I ask why the engines coming out?.
Thanks mate, having a BWJ put in as the AXX is dying and I want more power :evilgrin:
Might have to just to just do the engine one as I'm running out of budget
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 11:00:13 pm
I wouldn't say the vibratechnics will be as spongy but wouldn't want too much internal vibration either. smooth but stern :smiley:Been told the Revo vibrate too much which is why two sellers sold the complete set for £200 but I didn't buy them because of the poor reviews from others. no offence to anyone.
You obviously like it a little on the spongy side... it happens with age.
Function over form for me. I'm very pleased with the performance per pound value the Revo mounts offer tbf.
Post by: dansmith180 on May 08, 2016, 11:05:09 pm
I'd say definitely get them done although you're running out of budget it's worth doing whilst everything is accessible :smiley:The engine and gear box ones are very important and would be best doing whilst engine is out. :happy2:
Can I ask why the engines coming out?.
Thanks mate, having a BWJ put in as the AXX is dying and I want more power :evilgrin:
Might have to just to just do the engine one as I'm running out of budget
Yeah would be false economy not to do so. Just another bloody thing to do :rolleye:
Post by: r5gtt on May 08, 2016, 11:08:11 pm
I'll be getting some soon enough. I have the lower mount to fit and will totally remove the oem bushes as I don't like the engine wobble :signLOL:I'd say definitely get them done although you're running out of budget it's worth doing whilst everything is accessible :smiley:The engine and gear box ones are very important and would be best doing whilst engine is out. :happy2:
Can I ask why the engines coming out?.
Thanks mate, having a BWJ put in as the AXX is dying and I want more power :evilgrin:
Might have to just to just do the engine one as I'm running out of budget
Yeah would be false economy not to do so. Just another bloody thing to do :rolleye:
Post by: tommygti on May 09, 2016, 12:01:54 am
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Post by: bigeyd on May 09, 2016, 04:43:00 am
Post by: pudding on May 09, 2016, 09:24:09 am
The 034 Motorsport density line get mixed reviews, and I think the VWR ones are rebranded Vibratechnics with stiffer inserts?
What to do?! It's a road car, so needs to be refined :smiley:
Post by: Shoduchi on May 09, 2016, 10:18:29 am
Post by: rich83 on May 09, 2016, 10:48:15 am
People say that aftermarket engine mounts wear in and become less harsh/noisy. In reality what happens is the person just gets used to them. I have sat in cars with engine mounts and they do vibrate quite a lot more than OEM.
So... for race/track... yep, engine mounts no question.
for road... unless you can live with the noise and vibration stick to OEM.
Post by: pudding on May 09, 2016, 11:09:05 am
What about OEM diesel or MK6, or even MK7 mounts? Any improvements? Weird thing is, when I ever I drive MK7 rental cars, I don't even notice the engine mounts. When ever I drive mine, I am very aware of the motor flopping about. I've got the Vibratechnics dogbone setup and OEM sides.
I've read in PPC mag that you can fill the voids in new OEM ones with liquid rubber or soft poly which is apparently a good compromise. Might try that one day.
Post by: rich83 on May 09, 2016, 11:15:48 am
Post by: dansmith180 on May 09, 2016, 11:19:32 am
You can fill the voids. @xjay1337 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7542) had this done.
What @xjay1337 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=7542) and his partner do is up to them
Post by: rich83 on May 09, 2016, 11:22:13 am
Post by: dansmith180 on May 09, 2016, 11:32:38 am
Post by: r5gtt on May 09, 2016, 04:16:46 pm
@tommygti (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5865) Hold onto your fillings :grin:Lol that much vibration is it?.
Post by: r5gtt on May 09, 2016, 04:20:16 pm
I heard he used silicone...... :booty::sick: :signLOL:
Post by: Burbs22 on May 09, 2016, 04:30:55 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 09, 2016, 05:11:32 pm
Thanks for the review :drinking:
Post by: flashp on May 09, 2016, 06:04:38 pm
Car is very (excuse the cliche) 'connected' when driven, particularly on track as throttle modulation as you approach traction limits is a real treat when you're in the boost zone. Much easier to sense what's going on and completes the feedback of information to the driver, particularly with good chassis mods to complement.
These cars can be brilliant, but that brilliance doesn't depend on one thing only.
Post by: r5gtt on May 09, 2016, 06:11:11 pm
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 12:25:59 pm
I'm in two minds over whether to go
Eurocarparts - ~£30
OEM~100
Vibratechnics /REVO - £200~
The other 2 mounts are OEM (torque arm/dog bone & Engine mount). Would it be ok to upgrade the DSG mount keeping the other 2 OEM? Or would it just be better to go OEM
Post by: Beej on May 10, 2016, 01:48:41 pm
I was planning on replacing my DSG mount - I think its the reason I get a knock when I decelerate from 3rd to 2nd and sometimes from 2nd to 1st.Why don't you spend the 30 notes and see if it cures the issue before spending a lot out to find its no different?
I'm in two minds over whether to go
Eurocarparts - ~£30
OEM~100
Vibratechnics /REVO - £200~
The other 2 mounts are OEM (torque arm/dog bone & Engine mount). Would it be ok to upgrade the DSG mount keeping the other 2 OEM? Or would it just be better to go OEM
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 02:05:50 pm
I know your're interested in the outcome ;) You've been the guinea pig for subframe bolts and dog bone/ torque arm insert, ill be the guinea pig for the DSG mount :)
Post by: pudding on May 10, 2016, 02:19:00 pm
Get a mate to look under the bonnet whilst you load the engine up with the handbrake on. It's easy with a manual box to load the clutch up and let go of it quickly without the car moving much. Dunno how you'd do that with DSG! The objective is to see how much movement there is. If the engine is flopping about violently, one or mounts are fecked!
Post by: Beej on May 10, 2016, 02:22:24 pm
The 30 quid one will last about 5 minutes!See that's the thing, mine is very stiff to try and rock forward and backward, so that's another reason I don't thinks it's a mount issue, that and the fact the noise I am getting sounds like if you can imagine the noise a manual gearbox makes if you have the engine off and you change through the gears, that's the noise I can hear 3-2 2-1, a sort of mechanical click
Get a mate to look under the bonnet whilst you load the engine up with the handbrake on. It's easy with a manual box to load the clutch up and let go of it quickly without the car moving much. Dunno how you'd do that with DSG! The objective is to see how much movement there is. If the engine is flopping about violently, one or mounts are fecked!
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 02:27:15 pm
It is tricky, as it may just be the noise the DSG box makes some times - and its just me being paranoid... although I doubt it. I cant force mine to do it every time, but it occurs when im slowing, i'm pretty sure it is consistent with the gear change.
Post by: pudding on May 10, 2016, 02:34:19 pm
The 30 quid one will last about 5 minutes!See that's the thing, mine is very stiff to try and rock forward and backward, so that's another reason I don't thinks it's a mount issue, that and the fact the noise I am getting sounds like if you can imagine the noise a manual gearbox makes if you have the engine off and you change through the gears, that's the noise I can hear 3-2 2-1, a sort of mechanical click
Get a mate to look under the bonnet whilst you load the engine up with the handbrake on. It's easy with a manual box to load the clutch up and let go of it quickly without the car moving much. Dunno how you'd do that with DSG! The objective is to see how much movement there is. If the engine is flopping about violently, one or mounts are fecked!
Unless the mount has physically snapped (as happened to me on a Corrado once), there is very little movement when rocking it by hand. The twisting torque applied to the mounts via the driveshafts is massively higher than what can be achieved by a human pushing it from above. And when the rubber part of the mount heats up, it gets even soggier!!
When I had all 3 VT mounts on my Corrado engine, it was like trying to push a huge boulder. It was going nowhere. But on the dyno, the movement was unbelievable!! Loads less than standard, but still...... it surprised me the first time I saw it.
Post by: Beej on May 10, 2016, 02:40:21 pm
When it's warm, it hardly does it though, which is why I don't think it's the mount at fault......The 30 quid one will last about 5 minutes!See that's the thing, mine is very stiff to try and rock forward and backward, so that's another reason I don't thinks it's a mount issue, that and the fact the noise I am getting sounds like if you can imagine the noise a manual gearbox makes if you have the engine off and you change through the gears, that's the noise I can hear 3-2 2-1, a sort of mechanical click
Get a mate to look under the bonnet whilst you load the engine up with the handbrake on. It's easy with a manual box to load the clutch up and let go of it quickly without the car moving much. Dunno how you'd do that with DSG! The objective is to see how much movement there is. If the engine is flopping about violently, one or mounts are fecked!
Unless the mount has physically snapped (as happened to me on a Corrado once), there is very little movement when rocking it by hand. The twisting torque applied to the mounts via the driveshafts is massively higher than what can be achieved by a human pushing it from above. And when the rubber part of the mount heats up, it gets even soggier!!
When I had all 3 VT mounts on my Corrado engine, it was like trying to push a huge boulder. It was going nowhere. But on the dyno, the movement was unbelievable!! Loads less than standard, but still...... it surprised me the first time I saw it.
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 02:44:03 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 10, 2016, 02:48:54 pm
@r5gtt (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11199) had the issue and resolved it with a eurocar parts mount, he says its been fine up until now, but no doubt it will go eventually. Its better then spending 100-200 for it to not solve the issue.I found that when I replaced mine the jerkiness went away but it's now slightly noticeable which is why I want to replace all the mounts with stiffer ones which will definitely cure this jerk as it's ever so slight now but euro car parts parts aren't the greatest of quality so I'd expect a little play from it compared to the oem one.
It is tricky, as it may just be the noise the DSG box makes some times - and its just me being paranoid... although I doubt it. I cant force mine to do it every time, but it occurs when im slowing, i'm pretty sure it is consistent with the gear change.
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 02:54:37 pm
Mine is just an audible knock. I’m going to hold off buying the mount then as it sounds like it we all have different symptoms. Grrr, wish I knew what it was!
Post by: raz469 on May 10, 2016, 03:04:58 pm
I hope i get my 034s soon. Will update here for all once in.
Post by: r5gtt on May 10, 2016, 03:11:18 pm
I have no jerkingGlonk Glonk that's what I used to hear but also feel.
Mine is just an audible knock. I’m going to hold off buying the mount then as it sounds like it we all have different symptoms. Grrr, wish I knew what it was!
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 03:15:59 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 10, 2016, 03:19:33 pm
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 03:27:02 pm
FYI this guy had pretty much exact same issues.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f15/dsg-gearbox-click-clunk-3rd-2nd-51523.html (http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/forums/f15/dsg-gearbox-click-clunk-3rd-2nd-51523.html)
Post by: r5gtt on May 10, 2016, 04:20:52 pm
Post by: Pesky jones on May 10, 2016, 05:42:28 pm
Post by: Beej on May 10, 2016, 05:45:29 pm
Post by: Pesky jones on May 11, 2016, 10:30:29 am
Post by: r5gtt on May 11, 2016, 11:22:07 am
Post by: Pesky jones on May 11, 2016, 12:05:31 pm
Post by: Beej on May 11, 2016, 01:50:15 pm
Post by: r5gtt on May 11, 2016, 01:52:18 pm
Click in Vagcom 02 auto trans and go to measuring blocks or was it adaptions II Check around those and you'll find the info needed sorry have to be in it to explain further.
Post by: raz469 on June 01, 2016, 01:29:58 pm
I've had a sh*t
time dealing with these mounts especially considering how little help the suppliers were. "We dont know how, were waiting on them like you". There fault or not, why pay you then, n why take my money. ****s. Without spewing anymore hate ill leave it there.Sooo, hopefully should have these with me Friday as thats what they said to me today. Why lie if you know it's gonna be Monday, a weekend is a big deal.
Whilst i waited for the 034s, ive ordered and received:
Oem lower n upper rear sub bush,
PF insert
PF front of dogbone bush
PF front control arm bush (alk)
PF rear control arm bush
Waiting on reg g dv & cam follower, panel filter.
With the oem dogbone i ordered a new bolt and 2/4(cant member) new frame bolts with shims. I don't have any knocking yet so should i allow the shims? They so big.
Also might be difficult to compare mounts once on as will try do all the above at same time. Should i fit anything else same time? Already got sym2 tyres. Feels like a power-down upgrade.
Post by: raz469 on June 06, 2016, 06:10:43 pm
Apart from trying to move forward harder then it sounds actually, and get these fitted, will let you know when they are on. (Ps. Anytips for before and after review re mounts? For you guys i have them now
)Can't believe what i saw when i got the package. Complete and utter nonsense. Near two months after my order with lil to no updates. Over £200 spend. Nothing in return. No courtesy. Nothing for my troubles. 2 months. Customer service my ass.
Should read
"Awesome: at ripping the public off! (Suckers)"
Never Ever again. Will shout from high heaven. Even euros are better service then these leaves.
Stay away
Rant over, apologies
Just waiting for my oem dv and gfb and will book it in. Yay!!!
Post by: gtininja on June 10, 2016, 08:10:49 pm
Mines a singular knock, and you cant feel it. Only hear it with radio off.
Hi did you find out what was causing the 3-2 single knock/clunk?
Post by: Pesky jones on June 11, 2016, 07:13:13 pm
Post by: unzippy on June 11, 2016, 09:28:38 pm
But how, R5gtt, how
Post by: r5gtt on June 11, 2016, 09:53:31 pm
Post by: Pesky jones on June 11, 2016, 10:02:51 pm
Post by: r5gtt on June 11, 2016, 10:05:54 pm
Post by: unzippy on June 12, 2016, 09:12:00 am
But how, R5gtt, how
Post by: r5gtt on June 12, 2016, 10:18:00 am
Post by: Beej on June 12, 2016, 11:10:13 am
Post by: raz469 on July 21, 2016, 01:48:53 pm
034 motorsports engine and trans top mounts on with 65 duro street inners.
The verdict?
Amazing. Solved alot of my gearbox issues!
Clunks and judders i once felt and heard, gone. Really. Unbelievable. Love it. @pesky
I had my lower mount changed the day before and even that made a huge difference to the gears! Alot less sloppy changing and more instant.
Most noticeable way to gauge the difference you ask? When you turn the key for turn over.
Before when it felt like the engine moved around the key whilst it started, now it feels like the key is going into a solid stable engine and turning. No engine movement.
My old trans mount could be twisted in my hands so it really was in a state.
The car feels less comfortable now but not like a kit car or anythings. Just a smidge less refined then I'd like a gti5. Kinda like how I'd imagine a performance mk5 like r32 to feel (minus the 5 pot bit).
She's sweet as a nut round the bends now. And downshifts like she did out the factory. No waiting around for all parts to mesh together.
Ok ill shup now, but happy to help others with any questions as i know theres lots of gearbox issues with mk5s.
R
Post by: r5gtt on July 21, 2016, 06:34:33 pm