MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: Clgale1988 on May 28, 2016, 09:41:28 pm

Title: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 28, 2016, 09:41:28 pm
Hi guys. Iv not long had the mk5 serviced which had a oil and filter changed. Now im not sure if i heard the noise before i had it serviced bit when start it after its been sat a day or couple hours it makes a rattly sound almost like tappets after a few seconds its fine. Now is this a normal sound. My dad thinks it could be where the oil is at the bottom of the engine and when start it up after sat there for abit its abit tappy until the oil rises and lubes up the tappets etc. Hope can help
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 28, 2016, 09:53:29 pm
Sounds like you may need to clean the oil strainer in the sump if I'm not wrong.
Has the cam follower been replaced?.
Let's hope it's not the cam chain or warn cgain tentioner.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 28, 2016, 10:23:50 pm
How can you clean the oil strain. Im pretty sure its only started doing it since bad a oil change only does it wen sat there wen cars bein used and turn off then start not long after its fine
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 28, 2016, 10:24:41 pm
Have no history of cam follower being changed in paperwork
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 28, 2016, 11:00:30 pm
Upload a video maybe?

Had oil change which could mean gunk has sucked onto the strainer and preventing oil going to the head quick enough hence the tapping.

This can be cleaned by removing the sump to access the strainer and then remove it clean ot and refit the sump back with gasket glue only made for sumps. Dirko being VAG approved and what I use for gasket glue.

RECOMMEND a cam follower change as my this is a major engine failure if it wears out and the fuel pump starts hitting the cam lobe which has happened to many. One o read about three weeks ago and the poster needed a new cam, cam follower and pump. costly. I replaced mine not long back. Not easy by all means but can be done with the correct tools.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 28, 2016, 11:28:54 pm
When we did the oil change we did a engine flush 1st also. Yea so maybe there could be some gunk init when the oil change was done and new oil installed left for abit then started and it made the clattery sound so i turned of and thought wat hell is that started again still did it but went as soon as oil got round. Isit easy to check the cam follower?
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 29, 2016, 12:30:00 am
Oh noooooooo  :surprised: you should never ever use flush oil as this makes for a disaster in the engine. All the lubricated metal components will have lost there oil and the car will sound more rattly!!! 

The high pressure fuel pump will need to come off and it's not easy here's a link courtesy of @ROH ECHT (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3794) :signLOL: I followedit not realising who it was. a member off here :drinking:


Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 29, 2016, 07:46:09 am
I was told by a mechanic whos had vws for years that will be fine to do. Maybe thats why its like it is then.... Maybe
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 29, 2016, 09:51:35 am
I'm sure this is the reason why your cars tapping a lot more but if your saying it does smooth out then it could well be the oil flush. I'd still get the sump off and have a check if you thing it's more serious as there's no sound over here so harder to judge. I'm just going on your information  :smiley:
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 29, 2016, 04:45:32 pm
I will try get a video up. How do i load it lol
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 29, 2016, 07:53:34 pm
What site you using for videos?. YouTube or photobucket
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on May 29, 2016, 11:26:07 pm
Wud be photobucket never realy use videos much
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on May 30, 2016, 12:30:30 am
Upload video to PBucket and copy and paste url: video or picture URL onto here.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 08, 2016, 10:54:10 pm
Heres the video sorry the late reply. Now this video and the clicking noise you here is the longest its done it normally the clicking you hear lasts 3 seconds thne until the oil has got around the engine it stops. Some days it does it some days it sounds spot on if i need to il try get another video of it when it only does it for 3 secs

http://s560.photobucket.com/user/clgale88/media/CFED209D-CB81-4C49-AABC-39BE1C2FA22B_zps0fvagoix.mp4.html

Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on June 08, 2016, 11:46:16 pm
No worries buddy.
In your video the ticking noise goes after a few seconds and that to me sounds normal as I get the same for a few seconds in the morning and then it goes. I think it's the hydraulic lifters but nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 09, 2016, 06:57:24 am
Ok yea thats what mine does only now and then though. My old man thought the same as you. At least thats 1 thing of my mind weird how some days does it and some it dosnt
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 09, 2016, 06:58:35 am
Just need to sort the lumpy starting issue out now as thats bugging me
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on June 09, 2016, 10:10:27 am
Ok yea thats what mine does only now and then though. My old man thought the same as you. At least thats 1 thing of my mind weird how some days does it and some it dosnt
That's vw for you lol

Just need to sort the lumpy starting issue out now as thats bugging me
That's another headache what's happens when trying to start it?
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 09, 2016, 05:31:44 pm
Now and then when i start it it runs abit lumpy for abit then sorts its self out and is fine whole car shakes only does it for like 4seconds or so
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on June 09, 2016, 07:21:06 pm
Have you checked your pcv valve that sits left of the engine. take the dip stick out and if the car hesitates then the pcv is okay. If nothing happens it's faulty and will need replacing.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 09, 2016, 08:11:53 pm
Checked that just now and the car splutters so the pcv is ok.
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on June 09, 2016, 08:35:20 pm
Nice  :smiley:

If plugs coil packs have been replaced the only other thing is a coked up cylinder head.

Check out this video  :surprised:

Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: Clgale1988 on June 09, 2016, 08:44:06 pm
I havnt done plugs or coils yet that next on list im putting some genuine coils in and some new plugs
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: r5gtt on June 09, 2016, 09:03:43 pm
I replaced my plugs for no reason as the ones fitted were replaced in 2014 Jan and car not driven for 6-8 months but changed them as I didn't know if the garage had them replaced or faked a receipt as dsg oil isn't £38 for sure. I have ngk BKR7EIX plugs off ebay 0.8mm plug gap for £27 delivered so I'd go with those  :wink:
Title: Re: Start up noise
Post by: garrardrj on July 27, 2016, 01:48:59 pm
Now and then when i start it it runs abit lumpy for abit then sorts its self out and is fine whole car shakes only does it for like 4seconds or so

My old VR6 did this , it was one of the coils that was breaking down apparently , took VW a week to sort it !