MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Performance Modifications => Modifications & Technical Area => Superchips Zone => Topic started by: 182_blue on December 23, 2008, 11:25:38 am
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Anyone else got a download text today from superchips reference there Bluefin handset ?, basically saying a new map is available for download ? (i did not request one)
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Don't VW send them the usual ECU updates which they then load into their maps accordingly? I'd guess that'd it??
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Dunno, first one i have had that i did not request
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they replied to my email with a new map attached, but also just had an automated email from them saying new map is ready to be downloaded too
happy days!
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Don't VW send them the usual ECU updates which they then load into their maps accordingly? I'd guess that'd it??
I think its more than likely they have been doing some tweaking using StevePG and where happy with the results. :santa:
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probs :rolleye:
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they replied to my email with a new map attached, but also just had an automated email from them saying new map is ready to be downloaded too
happy days!
was this today ?
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the automated email came about 15 mins ago :jumpmove:
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There is a new map for DSG Edition 30 owners ..... no problem with the old one, just a development ..... and a very good one !
I contacted them after SteveP's post and installed the new map yesterday - it is brilliant :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Do it !!!
If you have a Milltek though, ring them, as I think there is an even slightly better 'new' map to be had that reflects the fact you have a sports exhaust. That said, the new map will give you shed loads more torque making it much more aggressive (in a good way though - nothing neck breaking) when the boost first comes in.
You will not be disappointed :happy2:
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:santa: Thats it after xmas a bluefin. was gunna get revo but with the bluefin i think it will suit me better. I have the old grath would like to see the new one :santa: :xmastree: :santa:
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if you do go for bluefin order today, as they are currently doing it for a reduced price of £390 but only up until 23rd december...today!!
normal price £499
jkm are offering it but also direct from superchips too.
:drinking:
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We are running this offer, but also including £30 of JKM vouchers - which is the best part towards a free flow panel filter.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm
Act fast though, Superchips are out of stock now (as we just asked for more) and we have only a few VAG items left.
Have a happy Christmas Everyone
JKM
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I just spoke to Superchips after my powerrun at JKM (car was producing 270bhp) and they are issuing me with a new map to download :)
It seems that SteveP was indeed a candidate for improving the map :)
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are they using different maps for DSG and non DSG cars ?
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Yep.
DSG has a torque limit to work to.
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I phoned them before and they said its a new map for dsg only :santa:
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yeh i know they are suppoed to, what i mean is are they using a seperate map :laugh: , i.e anyone else here got a non DSG car and had the text/ email
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Just a couple of points for clarification.
The work done with mine on Friday was regarding updating the map for DSG cars to overcome the programmed torque limit within the ECU for the DSG box, SC feel this is still well within the limits for the box.
With mine adding the Milltek added about 10bhp to the top end and have now reached the maximum achievable with the addition of a HPFP.
So if you are a DSG superchips customer getting the new revised map, as tested on my car, you will see massive improvements over the previous version.
For manual based cars there are two options available, either a standard map or a revised one where 1st & 2nd gears are "rained" in a bit to help with drivablablity.
From what SC have just told me I believe Cocopop's has an older intermediate map which is why he didn't see that higher figures, from my experience I saw around 10bhp less on the DynoDynamics rollers compaired the Superchips Maha LP3000 rollers.
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yeh i know they are suppoed to, what i mean is are they using a seperate map :laugh: , i.e anyone else here got a non DSG car and had the text/ email
Nope.............
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i wonder what map i have got then ?
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i wonder what map i have got then ?
The wife mat have got you a DSG box for a surprise Christmas present. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F45.gif&hash=f868cc4d308f64e94593ffe4225b557dfe716479)
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i wonder what map i have got then ?
Ring them Shaun and see what they say? Do they think you have a DSG?
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What have they limited the torque to on the DSG cars map then?
Mines somewhere north of 380lbft :rolleye:
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i wonder what map i have got then ?
Ring them Shaun and see what they say? Do they think you have a DSG?
didnt get chance to ring them, i hope they dont think i have DSG, i clearly stated this previously and before that too
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just found this in my junk mail :-
Morning & Merry Christmas
Superchips are pleased to be able to release an upgrade for the VW Golf Edition30/Pirelli 2.0 T 230bhp models. This upgrade releases the full torque of the manual car whilst keeping the top end power. This results in an extra 50-60Nm of torque and much improved performance.
We have also completed a Stage2 conversion for cars running a full exhaust system inc de-cat and an upgraded filter. I have attached the current Stage1 graph (now available for Manual and DSG) and the new Stage2 curves (also available for Manual and DSG) to this email.
Any questions and feedback please let me know.
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Michael Alvey-Anderson
Senior Calibration Engineer
Superchips Ltd
2-18 Homestall
Buckingham Industrial Park
Buckingham
Bucks
MK18 1XJ
Tel: +44 (0)1280 816781 Extn: 230
http://www.superchips.co.uk
http://www.mybluefin.co.uk
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Can you post the Stage 2 curve Shaun? To compare to my curve below..
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.skitch.com%2F20081223-bbbibw8pk2c17kfxc16qkwc4hp.jpg&hash=5ff637403775fa166b133fbe768e0ded25a3e64b)
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this is what they attached to the email
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2F182_blue%2Fbluefin.jpg&hash=6c197b1ac58b7374b295a1a5feb685569327e123)
what map did you get done coco ?
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this is the other map they attached
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy8%2F182_blue%2Fbluefin2.jpg&hash=3d534747076734bb4923713f3539d9bb64ed8d4c)
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just got home and installed new map onto device, cant install to car as dinner's ready :sad:
not all bad home made meetballs and spaghetti by the g/f :embarrassed:
those figures look promising! cant wait
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what map is this coco ?, do you have a manual
Yep Manual.
I was told when I got the map (in Oct) that it was stage2... but when I called up, the guy told me it was the "low power map"... So very confused! :confused:
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I saw the time of this first post here and though 'Christ they worked quick after your call'!! :wink:
I think your car looked well today, although you didn't hit the peak figures you'd hoped for it was very strong. The big number isn't everything.
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what map is this coco ?, do you have a manual
Yep Manual.
I was told when I got the map (in Oct) that it was stage2... but when I called up, the guy told me it was the "low power map"... So very confused! :confused:
:fighting: , hmm, god knows what i have then
APR... :laugh:
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ps, how long did the download take ?, got it through to this stage now and its been stuck there for about 20mins !
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About 10-15mins to download and then about 10-15mins to upload to the bluefin handset.
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well, the green bar has gone all the way along the bottom, and it just says please wait !! , not sure how much longer i can wait :sick:
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if you have troubles get them to email you the map, when they do download it on to desktop or easy to find place, then open bluefin application and connect the handset dont run the usual connection, but in the top left corner click the windows button and your given a few options: one restore original, the second one lets you upload a new map straight on to the device, click that and then choose the map you downloaded and it does the rest - erases the existing bluefin map replace with the new one, takes 10mins, then you just upload straight to car no need to return the car to stock mode.
hope this helps, mine was in my inbox 9am this morn.
by the way im rather impressed with new map, has so much more pull in all the gears :driver:
not overly happy with bluefin, some proper R&R in the first place and we wouldnt be having these issues....
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domt say that mr blue. just orderd one :sad:
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They are working tomorrow I was told.
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I had this email from their Technical Director this afternoon after I spoke to him about the various queries that had popped-up: -
We are contacting all those with the same calibration as yours first, offering revised map with new level2 (Miltek) option as well. Then the other DSG cals (started already) then the manuals will follow either tomorrow or in the new year. Finally regular Golf GTI with stage 2 will get a benefit also. I will try to get all the curves on our homepage tomorrow for all the models. I will also send you yet another announcement in the morning.
So keep the faith Shaun :happy2:
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I had this email from their Technical Director this afternoon after I spoke to him about the various queries that had popped-up: -
We are contacting all those with the same calibration as yours first, offering revised map with new level2 (Miltek) option as well. Then the other DSG cals (started already) then the manuals will follow either tomorrow or in the new year. Finally regular Golf GTI with stage 2 will get a benefit also. I will try to get all the curves on our homepage tomorrow for all the models. I will also send you yet another announcement in the morning.
So keep the faith Shaun :happy2:
but im manual and got the text/ email this morning ? !!
Then it suggests they may think you have a DSG car or could be a mistake in their records, so like Greenouse said it would be worth giving them a call as they are working tomorrow :confused:
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I had this email from their Technical Director this afternoon after I spoke to him about the various queries that had popped-up: -
We are contacting all those with the same calibration as yours first, offering revised map with new level2 (Miltek) option as well. Then the other DSG cals (started already) then the manuals will follow either tomorrow or in the new year. Finally regular Golf GTI with stage 2 will get a benefit also. I will try to get all the curves on our homepage tomorrow for all the models. I will also send you yet another announcement in the morning.
So keep the faith Shaun :happy2:
but im manual and got the text/ email this morning ? !!
Then it suggests they may think you have a DSG car or could be a mistake in their records, so like Greenouse said it would be worth giving them a call as they are working tomorrow :confused:
well possibly, like i said earlier, it was confirmed to me last time that i do not have a DSG map on my car (plus once before also), i will be very pi***** with them if i do have a DSG map on the car or if there trying to put a DSG map back on it !!, lets face it how will i ever know properly :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
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I thought you had the Stage2 at the same time as me Shaun?
Mr PG, does this mean my Stage2 will be updated again? :confused:
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well possibly, like i said earlier, it was confirmed to me last time that i do not have a DSG map on my car (plus once before also), i will be very pi***** with them if i do have a DSG map on the car or if there trying to put a DSG map back on it !!, lets face it how will i ever know properly :surprised: :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
^^^ I can understand your frustration, I felt the same TBH when I got my RR results at JKM earlier this year.
But after going to see them twice now they have totally changed my opinion, so perhaps that might be worth trying in the future to get across to see them and get your car on the RR there?
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I thought you had the Stage2 at the same time as me Shaun?
Mr PG, does this mean my Stage2 will be updated again? :confused:
Nathan, i have no idea what i got if im honest, i just emailed them and got a new map (with less boost in 1st and 2nd gear), , then today get a text saying new map available (which i cant get), i only have manual and no mods
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Shaun if your car is running fine, then i would just leave it until the new year when all the confused ops have been sorted out, and then just ring them and let them talk you through were they are with maps and your particular one.
Just enjoy the holidays your car was driving fine yesterday so it will be fine to the new year.
I dont mean to be patronising in any way just looking at it from an outsiders view point. I am sure it will be easily sorted. (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F01.gif&hash=508f53f18722dfe473aaebfa49c0ffde3a814a67)
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well here is my issue, since the last upgrade I always thought it felt a little slower in the low gears, so I'm now a little concerned they gave me the dsg map, I guess I'm ranting a bit, but 3 hours trying to download the map and bottles of kopparberg just don't seem to mix :jumping:
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well here is my issue, since the last upgrade I always thought it felt a little slower in the low gears, so I'm now a little concerned they gave me the dsg map, I guess I'm ranting a bit, but 3 hours trying to download the map and bottles of kopparberg just don't seem to mix :jumping:
:grin: I can tell i dont think i have ever seen your eyebrows raise on here. if you have the wrong map a few more days wont make much difference it is a safer map anyhow i believe.
I am also on the same pear cider and its making me go the opposite way. :grin: it does make my cheeks flush though for some strange reason. :ashamed:
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if you have a firewall or internet security package on your :fighting2: disable them may help?
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hmm, well tried it after i got up this morning and its now updated, god knows with what though :laugh:
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Well had an email from Bluefin this morning 7.45 am :happy2: , they have just ensured i now have the correct map for a stage 1 non DSG car, the same config as a car they did last week apparently , i just emailed them to ask if the DSG cars use the same map as the non DSG too, i feel better for knowing all is ok :happy2:
email below
Morning
Do you have any anti-virus/firewalls active? If so please turn them off. Also if you’re running Vista please log in as the administrator and then run the bluefin software in Windows Compatibility mode.
If this still doesn’t work please go to TOOLS -> read original and this will save a copy of your original to your C:\ drive which you can email through and I can reply with the upgraded file.
We had you listed as a DSG file so this will now effectively convert you to the manual conversion so you will notice a big increase in the low down torque.
Let me know if I can be of further help.
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the reply about the DSG/Manual question :happy2:
Ahh know what you mean there ;). The original calibration read from a manual or DSG car is exactly the same but up until last weeks testings they had different re-maps. However they now have the same re-map irrespective of gearbox type.
Hope this helps.
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What a ball ache eh... :scared: Hope it's all sorted though Shaun. You need to go out today and give her a good thrashing and let us know what it's like.. (I'm talking about the car by the way :grin:)
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I got an early version of their revised vanilla GTI DSG map a few months back based on a VWR map (I believe). I was massively impressed when swapping it for the existing one, it was like night and day. The power delivery is nice and linear and there's no initial shove of torque down the low end.. just a nice controlled delivery which is great for corner exits and the like as you get the power down better.
I wait with baited breath if they're going to improve it!
Here's my RR graph, it hasn't been smoothed properly though.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.awesome-gti.co.uk%2Frollingroad%2Fgraph%2Frr.mk4scn_011108%2Froberts.jpg&hash=e6f83f2029c609b33a21c35109a726209bdb8fc3)
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OK folks, got it loaded on and just been for a drive, :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:, well they have definitely given it the low down torque back, very happy with it at the moment, and will be testing it further later :xmasrolleyes:
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Glad to hear you got it sorted Shaun :driver:
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yeh very pleased, i also asked Superchips to sign up and perhaps quash some rumours/ myths too :happy2:
This is the end of this thread and below is a new one
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Hi Guys, first post :laugh: I have been invited on by 182_blue to explain recent developments.
Up until recently we had a different remap for ED30 with DSG gearboxes. This was primarily not to protect the gearbox but to avoid the torque limit which would ultimately limit top end power also. We have now altered this limit so we can run the same power and torque on manual and DSG cars.
Further to the above we have found that we can gain even more poer on the ED30 with a good quality exhaust. This has become known as level 2.
We have revisited the whole of the 2.0TFSI range and have found that we can also affer a level 2 on a regular GTI with a good quality exhaust system.
If you have not been contacted and feel you should have been please email files@superchips.co.uk with your bluefin serial number and advise what level of tune you require.
Power curves for all levels should be available on www.superchips.co.uk today.
Additionally, our 20% offer has been a great success and I am pleased to anounce that we are extending this offer through January 2009. Stocks are limited but we will honour this price even if we are unable to supply immediately.
Lastly a note on Superchips' forum policy. Our staff are not generally permitted to enter into online debate as we believe a forum is for enthusiasts to enjoy and discuss opinions openly without influence of those with self promotion or commercial intersts at heart. We will always answer PM's or emails and obviously telephone enquiries with pleasure.
:xmassmiley: I wish you all a very Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year.
Jamie Turvey, Technical Director. Superchips Ltd
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Welcome to the forum, thanks for coming on to explain, also thanks to you and your staff (especially Michael who contacted me and sorted me out 7.45am today 8) , top service that )
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welcome Jamie i have sent you a non golf realted query :)
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welcome on board, good to have you on here :happy2:
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welcome on board, good to have you on here :happy2:
Indeed...
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Thanks Jamie :)
I spoke to you last night (Serial: 02640) to get my Manual Stage 2 map.
Will be trying it today hopefully.
Regards,
Lee.
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^ Sort of make me want a Miltek now, wish i hadnt blown my cash on the watch now :signLOL:
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Hi Jamie :happy2:
Just to report im more than happy with my Stage 2 map I loaded onto the car in late October. I have a full Milltek Turbo back system and achieved 324bhp at a recent Rolling Road day at Weston Motorsport on their Dyno Dynamics rollers! :happy2:
Thanks again and keep up the good work. :santa:
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Hi Jamie :happy2:
Just to report im more than happy with my Stage 2 map I loaded onto the car in late October. I have a full Milltek Turbo back system and achieved 324bhp at a recent Rolling Road day at Weston Motorsport on their Dyno Dynamics rollers! :happy2:
Thanks again and keep up the good work. :santa:
Oooh!!
Hopefully thats the map I now have! :)
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^^it will be, or better :driver: :driver: :evilgrin:
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^^it will be, or better :driver: :driver: :evilgrin:
Better! :confused:
P.S. Shaun I think you need to treat yourself in the new year to a Milly :wink:
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^^it will be, or better :driver: :driver: :evilgrin:
Better! :confused:
P.S. Shaun I think you need to treat yourself in the new year to a Milly :wink:
well, i mean its going to be at least as good as yours hopefully, or they may have upgraded it too LOL , as for the Miltek i will see how it goes lol
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Hi Jamie :happy2:
Just to report im more than happy with my Stage 2 map I loaded onto the car in late October. I have a full Milltek Turbo back system and achieved 324bhp at a recent Rolling Road day at Weston Motorsport on their Dyno Dynamics rollers! :happy2:
Thanks again and keep up the good work. :santa:
Thought I'd post the graph for comparison :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk284%2FGreenouse%2F2008_1101Image0026.jpg&hash=338c49167cb62a79259c828454f6dc625915a676)
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Hello Mr Turvey how the devil are you ?
Cheers
Mark
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Hi Mark,
hope I am not in trouble, I never said the development was done on your cars :evilgrin:
May i also mention the S-word?
Jamie
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S word ?, oh also do you work on VW Racing cars ?
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When you say a decent exhaust is required for level 2, I presume you mean a downpipe/hi-flow cat & full system? Not just a cat-back?
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yeh, sports cat and downpipe is needed really for the Stage 2
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Thought as much - I guess that's on the shopping list to add to my Milltek then!
I think it's really good you can choose/upgrade your map as you mod so easily too... a lot of places would have you paying through the nose for that.
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I was really surprised the difference the full TB Milltek made, just on the original stage 1 map peak HP went from 303 to 320bhp :happy2:
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Out of interest is the superchips software only compatible with windows or can it be used with a mac?
Luke
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it does not appear so http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=156
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I have read this and other threads with much interest.
Part of the appeal for me with Bluefin was the fact that as well as being convenient the map looked quite conservative with a good, strong, flat torque curve as seen on Cocopops car at JKM yesterday.
So as a potential Bluefin customer where does that leave me?
Would this still be covered by what is called Stage 1 or have I missed something?
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sh*t the bed, looks like it might be ruling superchips out of the equation then being as though the windows laptop decided that it would kill itself last night.
Take it a large number of people on here are running bluefin? Just I'm torn in between Revo and Superchips, I know Revo offers a sort of tailor made map how ever the current price of the bluefin unit is hard to ignore but generic maps put a bit of a downer on it for me.
Sorry for thread jacking.
Luke
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sh*t the bed, looks like it might be ruling superchips out of the equation then being as though the windows laptop decided that it would kill itself last night.
Take it a large number of people on here are running bluefin? Just I'm torn in between Revo and Superchips, I know Revo offers a sort of tailor made map how ever the current price of the bluefin unit is hard to ignore but generic maps put a bit of a downer on it for me.
Sorry for thread jacking.
Luke
no need to ditch the idea, you can post them the unit and they will post it back to you , ps the normal Revo is no more tailor made than the Bluefin , and superchips will do custom jpbs too
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I have read this and other threads with much interest.
Part of the appeal for me with Bluefin was the fact that as well as being convenient the map looked quite conservative with a good, strong, flat torque curve as seen on Cocopops car at JKM yesterday.
So as a potential Bluefin customer where does that leave me?
Would this still be covered by what is called Stage 1 or have I missed something?
what mods do you have ?, ps im on Stage 1 and this map is very good :happy2:
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Out of interest is the superchips software only compatible with windows or can it be used with a mac?
Luke
Hi Luke,
I would expect you can still use something like VmWare Fusion or Parallels to run XP on a Mac, that's what i did for the likes on my old Road Angel that required Win XP for the updates :happy2:
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what mods do you have ?, ps im on Stage 1 and this map is very good :happy2:
Nothing. Its a vanilla, virgin ED30 with DSG at the moment. :smiley:
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ahh thought that they were very much off the shelf sort of stuff and and didn't allow any sort or room for tinkering. May have to see what the funds are like in a couple of days when all of the bills have gone out etc. Do like the idea of being able to re-set the map to the default settings :).
Cheers for the help, Luke
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ahh thought that they were very much off the shelf sort of stuff and and didn't allow any sort or room for tinkering. May have to see what the funds are like in a couple of days when all of the bills have gone out etc. Do like the idea of being able to re-set the map to the default settings :).
Cheers for the help, Luke
Luke,
Just so theres no confusion you can't directly alter the setting of the map with the bluefin like you can with the Revo select plus switch, but there are options available to get different maps from Superchips if you add additional mods like a TB Exhaust.
I always thought of these as "generic" maps but there are really maps that are tailored/optimised for the car.
At the current price I think you are getting a lot for your money and not believe you would be disappointed. :driver:
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what mods do you have ?, ps im on Stage 1 and this map is very good :happy2:
Nothing. Its a vanilla, virgin ED30 with DSG at the moment. :smiley:
The original map I had on mine with the DSG was very smooth and progressive and suited the DSG box really well, I would highly recommend it.
The only trouble is the draw to putting a milltek on it afterwards will be very big as the gains this unlocked on mine where very very nice :rolleye:
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I completely understand what your saying, the only slight limitation that I have towards them is that when I spoke to them on the phone they were slightly oblivious to the issues with the fuel pump where as with revo the first thing that they stated is that anything around 250BHP ish would start to strain the HP fuel pump but superchips seemed to be oblivious to this, I'm not saying that they haven't taken it into consideration and haven't taken into account these tolerances with the map but I just don't fancy putting any substantial strain on any components.
Sorry for me being so skeptical about the maps I just work with things which have to set up near perfect and if any components etc fail from stress its not worth thinking about, I'm just very pessimistic towards tunings.
Luke
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Luke, first thing they said to me was I'd be limited by the pump... so I think they are aware, did you ask or just expect them to tell you?
I've had both on various cars and I rate them both highly. You'll be fine with whichever you choose.
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The original map I had on mine with the DSG was very smooth and progressive and suited the DSG box really well, I would highly recommend it.
Thats what I want but can I still get it. :confused:
The only trouble is the draw to putting a milltek on it afterwards will be very big as the gains this unlocked on mine where very very nice :rolleye:
I understand however I could just add a Milltek and not change the map. :wink:
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^^^ I am sure if you ask them they might be able make the previous version of the map available, but TBH the new one isn't that aggressive, it is still very smooth but pulls much stronger through the gears :evilgrin:
Also the new map and Milltek I am getting better fuel economy on the motorway runs (not so on the A roads though :xmaslaugh:).
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Luke, first thing they said to me was I'd be limited by the pump... so I think they are aware, did you ask or just expect them to tell you?
I've had both on various cars and I rate them both highly. You'll be fine with whichever you choose.
I agree with Mike, they are well aware of the stock fuel pump limitations, when speaking to their Technical Director yesterday he mentioned it to me.
I would also agree you can't really go too far wrong with either SC or Revo :happy2:
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good to see you on the forum superchips,
thanks for the new stage 2 map, had a good long drive to test it out today and am very pleased with performance, alot more pull in all the gears and no dull patch when you change up a gear with the old one which was no doubt the torque limiter...
seem similar to the very first map you sent me back in march when i first purchased stage1 from you.?
any how if i get an up-rated fuel pump and intake can i come to you for stage 2+ will happily be a guinea pig :xmassmiley:
:santa:
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good to see you on the forum superchips,
thanks for the new stage 2 map, had a good long drive to test it out today and am very pleased with performance, alot more pull in all the gears and no dull patch when you change up a gear with the old one which was no doubt the torque limiter...
seem similar to the very first map you sent me back in march when i first purchased stage1 from you.?
any how if i get an up-rated fuel pump and intake can i come to you for stage 2+ will happily be a guinea pig :xmassmiley:
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yeh it does to me too, if not with a tad more power top end, i guess this is what they have done (i.e achieved decent low down power with a good top end too)
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Lastly a note on Superchips' forum policy. Our staff are not generally permitted to enter into online debate as we believe a forum is for enthusiasts to enjoy and discuss opinions openly without influence of those with self promotion or commercial intersts at heart. We will always answer PM's or emails and obviously telephone enquiries with pleasure.
Jamie Turvey, Technical Director. Superchips Ltd
....Welcome to the forum, Jamie :happy2:
Your policy is very much respected as a good one.
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S word ?, oh also do you work on VW Racing cars ?
....They do.
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Up until recently we had a different remap for ED30 with DSG gearboxes. This was primarily not to protect the gearbox but to avoid the torque limit which would ultimately limit top end power also. We have now altered this limit so we can run the same power and torque on manual and DSG cars.
....Jamie - Am I right in thinking that it's high levels of torque rather than bhp which potentially can damage/overstress the DSG box of tricks?
Please do understand that in asking this question I'm not trying to shoot down what Superchips do but I am just genuinely curious and concerned as my car is DSG (Revo'd but I agree wholeheartedly that both Revo and SC are as good as each other in their current forms).
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didn't stevep get to get to have a go on the racingline (aka vwr) golf while at superchips.... or was it just there by some coincidence.
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didn't stevep get to get to have a go on the racingline (aka vwr) golf while at superchips.... or was it just there by some coincidence.
....He did - Further proof if any is needed. VWR's cars are regularly at Superchips for whatever mapping they feel appropriate.
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Up until recently we had a different remap for ED30 with DSG gearboxes. This was primarily not to protect the gearbox but to avoid the torque limit which would ultimately limit top end power also. We have now altered this limit so we can run the same power and torque on manual and DSG cars.
....Jamie - Am I right in thinking that it's high levels of torque rather than bhp which potentially can damage/overstress the DSG box of tricks?
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In answer to my question about the potential for overstressing the DSG with too much torque, Jamie tells me : -
"We have done extensive testing on race sprung slick tyred track cars and the DSG does not go bang at the "rated" 350Nm, we have had over 440Nm on the Dyno but that just spins like crazy on the road. The track cars (made by VWR) are regularly driven hard and it is on this basis we have decided to up our game and offer higher torque. It can be hard to power test a DSG as full load=kickdown and that makes a mess of a power curve. We are comparing a manual and DSG on the dyno in January and also comparing drivability as the drive is very different, DSG=kickdown, shift- go. Manual=wheelspin into the rev limit."
I hope this helps anyone else interested in the answer to my question.
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^^^ Nice one Robin thanks for posting this up, I wonder who the Manual vs. DSG on the Dyno in January might involve :wink: :xmaslaugh:
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^^^ :signLOL: :signLOL:
I think know my quest for power end's here but the mission to control and better use what I now have has only just begun :driver:
PS - No referrences to a certain ATB Diff needed here Mr RedRobin :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh:
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No references needed :wink: - You already know where! It's just a matter of when!! You know you want to!
Are you still running on standard brakes? :evilgrin:
I think know my quest for power end's here but the mission to control and better use what I now have has only just begun
....^^ Your words sound uncannily similar to those of Hurdy! :evilgrin:
You know, it's absolutely fatal to come on these car forums, Steve! - The Slippery Slope :evilgrin:
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^^^ Nice one Robin thanks for posting this up, I wonder who the Manual vs. DSG on the Dyno in January might involve :wink: :xmaslaugh:
I wonder indeed :wink: :santa:
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I thought it was bad enough just being a member of a forum but a swear it's got far worse being the admin of one :xmaslaugh: :xmaslaugh:
....I'm pleased to hear, dear boy, that you are accepting your responsibilities as Admin and are prepared to lead the way.
So, ceramics it is then! :evilgrin:
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New thread split off to save this one going off course too much :xmaslaugh:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1115.0
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Just been out for a Christmas blat with the new map on :evilgrin:
Only thing compared to their last map is the fact it is so much quicker in the midrange on take up that it is almost impossible in these conditions to get the power down in 2nd !! The TC was working, well, lets just say lots .....
Is it just the weather or does the older less agressive map suit the DSG better ?
Just a thought those with the new map can perhaps discuss .....
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Hello superchips. Tell me. Can a vehicle in south africa obtain your map? that is a standard gti. Not edition thirty. Oh. And wheres tt? not like him to miss a "slate superchip" opportunity. Mike
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Just been out for a Christmas blat with the new map on :evilgrin:
Only thing compared to their last map is the fact it is so much quicker in the midrange on take up that it is almost impossible in these conditions to get the power down in 2nd !! The TC was working, well, lets just say lots .....
Is it just the weather or does the older less agressive map suit the DSG better ?
Just a thought those with the new map can perhaps discuss .....
I know what you mean about 2nd gear in wet/greasy conditions, it does feel to start with a bit different and is very easy to light up the front wheels and does require a bit more throtle control, but TBH I don't find it that much worse than before now I have done 1200 miles in various conditions since the work was completed on my car last week. I also believe the overall drivablity of the new map is better.
The one thing I really like is the removal of the feeling of a pause between gear changes (which I noticed more then realy pushing on between 2nd and 3rd) has gone and the overall acceleratiion is very smooth.
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i prefer a bit more power in first and second, the previous map was to reserved for me and didnt feel too strong in 1 & 2, at least now i can go for it if i want, and can control the power with my feet (conditions dependant) and not let the map do it for me :happy2:
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^^^ I agree I would rather have the power available for me to decide how/when to use it :driver:
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I've not applied the new map yet... Certainly want to tho! Based on what you're saying.
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Thanks for the replies people ....
The car is spinning in the dry at the moment - but the roads are very cold.... and I am sure I am trying to enjoy it a bit too much :evilgrin:
Has anyone noticed a slight lull in the acceleration after the initial surge coming in, before it gets going again for the red line ?
The older map got better and better as revs went up - due to the fact the power got more as it gained revs. The new map has a much more powerful aggressive surge when coming on boost so I guess my feeling of it going slightly flat is more in my head after the initial rush.
I may get SC to RR it anyway to see the difference it has made on my car . It certainly seems to be quicker at extreme revs - which they said could be possible with the removal of the torque limit.
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I have yet to test mine but initial feel was very good, just need a decent drive to try it in varying condtions
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This is the start of a new thread
Decided to take the plunge and ordered Bluefin and took advantage of JKM's xmas offer - plugged this forum too. Was wondering what I sjould spend the £30 vouchers on. Anyway, having read many topics on many forums, I can see that Bluefin seem to have turned around their remaps. I was wondering those of you have bluefined ED30, whether you could post your power run graphs so that I can see. I just hope it is worth the £390 !!!
Regards,
Gareth
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Verrrrrrrrrry nice!! You will love it! :smiley: :smiley:
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i have been reading a lot about remaps with interest and a lot of rubbishing of bluefin with no support and read a great thread on another forum where the myth of reverting to the original map was explained and the pros and cons asscoiated with all of them and think this route may be taken in the new year for me
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I'm loving my revised bluefin map :-), it's also nice that superhips send you the updates without you asking too, and they upgrade you to stage 2 for free
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Hi Gareth,
I don't think you will be disappointed :driver:
Unless you looking to buy anything else I would go for a panel filter with the vouchers, if you email JKM (unless they have already dispatched the bluefin) they might be able to exchange the vouchers straight away?
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My DSG Edition 30 has been given the Bluefin treatment and I am very happy ....
Car went from 229bhp to 295bhp - graphs are shown here :
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=550.0
However, since then they have managed to get around the torque limiter for the DSG and a new remap has been issued. It is on my car and is, err, rather more powerful in the midrange ! I intend to get SC to RR it soon to see the difference. There is another graph on this site where SteveP got his Stage 2 done - which was effectively the first of the new maps ..... if you look you will find that one too, which shows the difference between their 'old' enhanced map and the new one :laugh:
You will not be disappointed with the change from standard - if you look on the SC website the manual graph they show is roughly what you will get .... whether your car is manual or DSG as both now run the same settings.
My only 'complaint' (though not a proper one as I am very happy!) is that now I want the newest map but the option to reload the 'older' one in this cr*p weather .... and the BF device only holds standard + one enhanced map. If it held two enhanced maps it would be like the Revo select plus or Chipped UK's ST3.
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Here's mine Gareth :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk284%2FGreenouse%2F2008_1101Image0026.jpg&hash=338c49167cb62a79259c828454f6dc625915a676)
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What are you running for that Greenouse?
Full exhaust/remap? Anything else?
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What are you running for that Greenouse?
Full exhaust/remap? Anything else?
TB Milly, Carbon air intake and K&N filter :happy2:
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looks very similar to mine, mine reads 324bhp, 353lb ft
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^^^ should be, all but identicle :laugh:
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^^^ and mine.
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Steve is yours still the Richter map or is it now SC?
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Steve is yours still the Richter map or is it now SC?
Effectively it's always been on the SC map, Richter just take certain versions of the SC maps and supply them under there name.
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As above.. just took it for a few blips and very HAPPY. You can feel the difference in every gear especially in 3rd and 6th. Traction is a bit of a prob with the roads damp spinnin in 3rd :scared:. gunna tackle the k&n pannel filter tomorrow :driver:
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The new map seems softer, less agressive...
is that the case?
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I've just got back from Superchips having asked them if they would rolling road my Ed 30 DSG to see the difference the newer map made on my car ..... tongue in cheek I asked if they do it today ..... and they managed to fit me in !
The answer once they had checked it was it is going very well thank you !
I have managed another 1000 miles since it was originally done. As a result power was up slightly to 298 bhp at the top end from 295 bhp previously (229 std) but the torque was up massively from 357nm on the 1st remap and now 414nm (originally 309nm std) :evilgrin:
My car didn't quite make 300 bhp (298.8 :sad:) but I think I can manage to live with that given the massive difference the remap has made :grin: I will have to buy a Milltek now just to get it over 300 !!
The guys at Superchips get a big :happy2: from me ! Michael and Dave for fitting me in at zero notice and checking the car out ....
I will post the graph when I get round to scanning it .....
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The new map seems softer, less agressive...
is that the case?
Not on my car ! Now spins up very easily .... I just got mine RR'd at SC and it showed a much bigger 'surge' and loads more torque ....
BHP at say 3,000 rpm is up by about 25 over and above their previous DSG remap and torque at 3K is around 65-70 Nm up !!
I will scan the graph and put it up if I can work out how ....
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Nice one... :happy2:
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Glad you are liking it :grin:
My car has been transformed by Bluefin :evilgrin:
I have been really impressed by Superchips .... staff and product !
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Glad you are liking it :grin:
My car has been transformed by Bluefin :evilgrin:
I have been really impressed by Superchips .... staff and product !
With me having windows vista i had a few probs with downloading. but thanks to the guys at superchips talked me through it. 1st class c\sirvice :happy2:
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The new map seems softer, less agressive...
is that the case?
Your a manual man aren't you Lee?
The biggest difference with the latest maps will be for the DSG cars but still I am surprised you feel it's softer :confused:
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Would be good to see your graph SO8 to compare the with and without Milltek versions :happy2:
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i thought the previous map was softer, the latest one is allot better, i forgot what the first map was like so cant comment on that, Coco i think its a bit smoother and it throws the perception of speed a tad, dont go mad and the power comes on just as quick imo (im assuming you have just downloaded the new map ?)
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LOL, its like the Bluefin appreciation society on here, which is nice to see 8)
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LOL, its like the Bluefin appreciation society on here, which is nice to see 8)
Definitely makes a change :laugh:
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Yep, Manual for me.
Oh, don't get me wrong... I soon hit <cough> lots in 4th gear when testing but it just doesn't feel as if it pushes you into the seat whilst pressing the loud pedal.
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Not sure if it's practical for you but perhaps it's worth getting your car up to them to check the map is working correctly?
If your about me and The Rim King are going there on the 16th :happy2:
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Would be good to see your graph SO8 to compare the with and without Milltek versions :happy2:
It basically looks the same as yours - just less outright power .... it follows the same pattern.
I will get the better half to scan it - she is better at those things than me :ashamed:
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^^^^ Can't wait! :party:
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Glad your pleased Madman, it's a bit of a no brainer for £400 :party:
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Glad you are liking it :grin:
My car has been transformed by Bluefin :evilgrin:
I have been really impressed by Superchips .... staff and product !
With me having windows vista i had a few probs with downloading. but thanks to the guys at superchips talked me through it. 1st class c\sirvice :happy2:
What was the fix for vista ?
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be careful how you pull the engine cover off, i pulled a bit to hard and cracked a corner
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be careful how you pull the engine cover off, i pulled a bit to hard and cracked a corner
Yeah, as Billy says - it can be quite tricky!
Try doing it corner by corner. There are four grommit things that hold it on. Start from the one on the top right, then work clockwise. Once you get one off, the rest are easy! :smiley: :smiley:
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Glad you are liking it :grin:
My car has been transformed by Bluefin :evilgrin:
I have been really impressed by Superchips .... staff and product !
With me having windows vista i had a few probs with downloading. but thanks to the guys at superchips talked me through it. 1st class c\sirvice :happy2:
What was the fix for vista ?
had to play about with the admin and change a few things then it worked. met up with matt a tonight and gave him a shot of the car and i think he liked it. cheers for the tips with the cover lads will just take me time :happy2:
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be careful how you pull the engine cover off, i pulled a bit to hard and cracked a corner
Be careful with the grommits too, as I one of mine fell down in the dark deapths of the engine bay... :sad:
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For info copy of RR Graph for my Edition 30 DSG with the revised Superchips map. Car is otherwise standard.
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Older Superchips map below.
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Nice one, that's a very nice increase on the torque for a otherwise standard car :happy2:
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Hello all,
As per the title really, i've retained the Bluefin handset from my A3 and will be sending it back to SC for resetting with the ED30 software shortly,
Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on any 'essential' mods to run in conjunction with the Bluefin? I'm thinking along the lines of uprated DV's and fuel pumps etc?
Looking at it from a fault prevention viewpoint i suppose, not too sure whther the SC map will show any shortcomings in the stock DV and pump?
Cheers
Steve
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Do you have a TBE, in which case you need to let SC know as iirc they'll send you a different map.
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Not as yet mate, car is still stock so just getting the regular map
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At present with SC you can either have a map suited to the standard car or one with the TBE (like mine :evilgrin:).
I wouldn't say with the standard car map any of the mods are 'essential' but things like a good intake or at least a panel filter will help. The 'stage 1' type map hasn't seen any fuelling issues with the stock pump on the ED30.
I have being running remapped with the standard DV on mine for over 20K with no issues but a am considering putting a forge DV on now I have gone to stage 2 with the TB Milltek.
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mine is standard apart from the bluefin and its been fine, only thing i would consider at the moment is a full exhaust and maybe a panel filter
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Cheers fellas, thanks for the quick replies :happy2:
My main concern was any fuelling problems tbh, it's been 2 years since my last MKV GTi and back then even the standard cars were having DV/fuelling problems when mapped so just wanted to check, thanks again guys
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Just out of curiosity - how much did superchips charge when you sent the unit back to them for reprogramming ?
Regards,
Gareth
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road angel and some breaks mate
enjoy :driver:
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Just out of curiosity - how much did superchips charge when you sent the unit back to them for reprogramming ?
Regards,
Gareth
Hi Gareth,
All in with Carriage and VAT they have quoted me £210, i've not sent it back as yet as i'm not in a mad rush to get it done, it's spinning up in 3rd now with the crap weather lol :laugh:
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Just out of curiosity - how much did superchips charge when you sent the unit back to them for reprogramming ?
Regards,
Gareth
Hi Gareth,
All in with Carriage and VAT they have quoted me £210, i've not sent it back as yet as i'm not in a mad rush to get it done, it's spinning up in 3rd now with the crap weather lol :laugh:
not bad, now do it :happy2:
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LOL - Done already - my bluefin should be here tuesday - was wondering as just planning for the future - thanks for the info !!
Regards,
Gareth
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Just out of curiosity - how much did superchips charge when you sent the unit back to them for reprogramming ?
Regards,
Gareth
Hi Gareth,
All in with Carriage and VAT they have quoted me £210, i've not sent it back as yet as i'm not in a mad rush to get it done, it's spinning up in 3rd now with the crap weather lol :laugh:
Get the new map on and you can spin up in third and change lanes without using the steering wheel :grin:
Not that I found this out on the M25 today you understand :laugh:
This is the last post in this thread, and below is a new one.
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Well gentlemen, it arrived today, plugged it all in, uploaded new map....
Just not sure if I like it .... I mean, it certainly is a GREAT deal faster, but I feel that it has sacrificed a few characteristics of the car. For example, I don't know whether it's just because its -7 deg C and that's it, but I was getting serious traction issues in the three first gears, quite violently at that. The remap seems to have sacrificed a great deal of the low down 1000 - 2500 rpm "pull", it seems that the available power is now only available after 3500rpm, but then it is a great deal more including some wheel spin in 4th, by the way the car is a manual.
The car also now feels much more "strained" I mean, wth the TC knockin in, etc just feel it will put extreme wear on the car. I only ever progressivly accelerate and am not of the pendal stomping school of thought.
Is this normal, I appreciate this is probably now a 300bhp FWD, the only stuff I've driven over 300bhp were Porsche's & BMW's, my MK1 Golf with was circa 160 - 170 bhp with a Quaife Diff and didn't feel as violent. I've only driven the car for 35 odd miles - and well, I just don't know what to say.
Can anyone give any advice - I hope I make sense,
Regards,
Gareth
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Sorry to hear this Gareth, ive always had my doubt putting so much power through a front wheel drive car without any form of OTHER major mods to try and "tame " the cars Characteristics. Agree'd it is icey at the mo, so maybe give it a month on test or so, you may get used to it. For day to day, i cant see the point personally, as you say the clear benefit is higher up the RPM scale which more often the not is in licence risking territory.
Im happy with the way the ed30 performs after owning standard GTi's . I will get shot for these comments no doubt by the majority, but how far by remapping do you go???? sometimes to the point of no return??.
<<<<runs for his bullet proof shelter :fighting: :fighting:
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Aim, Fire Mcavity :fighting:
James I really think the problem is the weather. My car feels a little 'odd' in these temps and I go no where near the loud pedal when its greasy, icy, wet, mildly moist! :wink:
As Steve/Phil said give it some time and different driving conditions and Im sure you'll love it.
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James I really think .........................
Good advice there from Bob, oh sorry Nathan :laugh:,
GARETH :wink:, give it a couple of weeks to see if it settles and maybe the weather is less harsh.
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James I really think .........................
Good advice there from Bob, oh sorry Nathan :laugh:,
GARETH :wink:, give it a couple of weeks to see if it settles and maybe the weather is less harsh.
:signIWS: :signLOL: Sorry Gareth
Cheers Dave Steve/Phil :happy2:
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just getting used to it mate at least give it a few hundred miles,
when i first installed I found it aggresive and got loads of torque steer but you soon get used to driving it differently once you get used to the extra power.
was the same when i received st2 just took some time to get used too as well, but even now i only get t/c if i floor it
if you are accelerating as progressively as you say you are :wink: you may need to check your tyres :evilgrin:
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the huge increases with any ED30 remap need a relearn to your driving style esp around the point the turbo spools.
>300 bhp FWD is flawed without any other changes so in some ways you are right.
But you can drive around it most of the time and the rewards esp in the dry are more than worth it. (and super easy 6th gear overtakes)
I find I can be in 1 gear higher than I thought I would need from std.
I this weather even 4th needs to be used with caution.
Out of interest what tyres you running?
Stick with it :happy2: or you could even get SC earlier low power map?
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I agree with just about everything said above.
The weather is defo a big factor at the moment and even in the crap loaner (1.9TDI 105bhp Golf) I am stuck it was struggling for grip at times today :driver:
Give it some time and I am sure you will be very happy with it. :smiley:
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I found when I had my first edition 30 remapped that the rest of the car felt soft i.e. brakes/suspension and all tho it was a lot faster I felt the original map was better suited for the standard car! I won't be remapping mine until it has all the mods in place to enjoy the extra power!
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I found when I had my first edition 30 remapped that the rest of the car felt soft i.e. brakes/suspension and all tho it was a lot faster I felt the original map was better suited for the standard car! I won't be remapping mine until it has all the mods in place to enjoy the extra power!
Agreed, the brakes especially feel very poor now!
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That is the only issue. You keep chasing the weakest link.!
Makes me feel like Anne Robinson
*cold shudder goes down spine* :scared:
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the one thing that will improve the feel of the car when the running remap or even stock will be uprated engine mounts
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fu347%2Fjnewby99%2Fmotormountpicture.jpg&hash=d97ccb305648368c5674a0a5dc1ec38fb6a1856a)
stops the engine moving under acceleration, breaking and cornering with a full set of these bad boys everything is improved and you even get improved torque as wheels put the power on the road better,
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But you have to live with the added vibration!
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had them on a couple of weeks now and tbh vibrations now are only really noticed on starting up and sometimes sat in traffic but overall feel of car now is well worth it.
the only reason the car is so soft in stock as the oem engine mounts are loosely fitted and have some grease in the mounts to reduce vibrations, thats fine when you are not remapped but the added torque and power with a remap it puts more strain on it all, hence gareth's comment on the car feeling it..
just my thoughts and I am no expert but best mod for me after map in terms of change to car for the good, and effect on your wallet.
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Well gentlemen, it arrived today, plugged it all in, uploaded new map....
Just not sure if I like it .... I mean, it certainly is a GREAT deal faster, but I feel that it has sacrificed a few characteristics of the car. For example, I don't know whether it's just because its -7 deg C and that's it, but I was getting serious traction issues in the three first gears, quite violently at that. The remap seems to have sacrificed a great deal of the low down 1000 - 2500 rpm "pull", it seems that the available power is now only available after 3500rpm, but then it is a great deal more including some wheel spin in 4th, by the way the car is a manual.
The car also now feels much more "strained" I mean, wth the TC knockin in, etc just feel it will put extreme wear on the car. I only ever progressivly accelerate and am not of the pendal stomping school of thought.
Is this normal, I appreciate this is probably now a 300bhp FWD, the only stuff I've driven over 300bhp were Porsche's & BMW's, my MK1 Golf with was circa 160 - 170 bhp with a Quaife Diff and didn't feel as violent. I've only driven the car for 35 odd miles - and well, I just don't know what to say.
Can anyone give any advice - I hope I make sense,
Regards,
Gareth
Gareth,
Having recently uploaded the 'new' Superchips Ed 30 DSG map (which is now apparently equal in characteristics to the manual one) I kind of know what you mean.
My new map took 100 or so miles to settle down and the car did seem very uncomfortable to begin with.
I have had one day of dry warmer weather since loading the map and if it wasn't for that I would think the car couldn't cope at all with it ! The dry day was great and the car flew .... getting most of the power down. Since then, though, it has been a nightmare with the cold weather making it seem like the car just can't handle the power. I am going to hold out for good weather before deciding 100% either way.....
At the moment the first 2 gears are useless without alot of care and 3rd is still quite interesting !
SC have emailed me have the original uprated map I had before the new one so if I choose I can put that back on the car until the weather gets better. That was less aggressive low down but still effectively produced the same peak power (my graphs are shown in this thread previously). Time will tell. I think probably the weather is, as others have said, the main problem.
You could ask SC if they have a lower torque option like the old DSG map ? That felt like a bit more than standard up to about 4K then if flew.
FWIW once settled I have found the newer map the smoothest of the two I have had, and still OK low down. It may just be with the extra power once the boost comes in fully that even more low down seems like less .... perhaps ?
I do think a bit of dry weather will see me grinning stupidly .... the remap makes the car seem soooo quick it almost feels like it should break ! It is interesting when you consider that SC remap is considered more 'conservative' and 'cautious' with 'less power' than say REVO OR GIAC. Those were words used by two other tuners on the phone to me .... they are not my own.
Just my views FWIW
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Gareth,
Having recently uploaded the 'new' Superchips Ed 30 DSG map (which is now apparently equal in characteristics to the manual one) I kind of know what you mean.
My new map took 100 or so miles to settle down and the car did seem very uncomfortable to begin with.
I have had one day of dry warmer weather since loading the map and if it wasn't for that I would think the car couldn't cope at all with it ! The dry day was great and the car flew .... getting most of the power down. Since then, though, it has been a nightmare with the cold weather making it seem like the car just can't handle the power. I am going to hold out for good weather before deciding 100% either way.....
At the moment the first 2 gears are useless without alot of care and 3rd is still quite interesting !
SC have emailed me have the original uprated map I had before the new one so if I choose I can put that back on the car until the weather gets better. That was less aggressive low down but still effectively produced the same peak power (my graphs are shown in this thread previously). Time will tell. I think probably the weather is, as others have said, the main problem.
You could ask SC if they have a lower torque option like the old DSG map ? That felt like a bit more than standard up to about 4K then if flew.
FWIW once settled I have found the newer map the smoothest of the two I have had, and still OK low down. It may just be with the extra power once the boost comes in fully that even more low down seems like less .... perhaps ?
I do think a bit of dry weather will see me grinning stupidly .... the remap makes the car seem soooo quick it almost feels like it should break ! It is interesting when you consider that SC remap is considered more 'conservative' and 'cautious' with 'less power' than say REVO OR GIAC. Those were words used by two other tuners on the phone to me .... they are not my own.
Just my views FWIW
You have hit the nail firmly on the head - exactly the point, the fact that the first 3 gears are more or less redundant, like the car can't cope with it - all these things have crossed my mind as well. THat is exactly how I feel. All others thank you for your respective inputs. The tyres are due for changeing soon, at the moment (thanks to VW Maintainence Plan) I have Bridgestone's on the front which are near the legal limit and Conti's on the back which are as new. Could very well be a tyre issue. At the moment it is -8 deg C outside, the gritters have been around a million times turning the road into a surface so greasy it is comparable to a doner kebab. Maybe the ECU needs some time to settle with the new map also and hopefully it will tame power delivery a tad.
I actually spoke to superchips today and they confirmed that due to complaints made by ED30 / GTi owners, a new manual transmission map will be available for download within the next month or two which will limit torque in 1st & 2nd gears comparable to he mods made to the DSG map.
I also appreciate Hurdy's comments about chasing the weakest link and other posts by RR about the slippery path ! I don't want to change engine mounts, suspension compontents etc etc (with the exception of breaks - which will be modified), I just wanted a standard daily driver ED30 with a bit more grunt - but I suppose one cannot have it all ways !!
It was just that the ED30 was such a fun, predictable car that could be driven with real pace extremly enthusiastically with 230 bhp and it now feels like a nevours, twitchy schitzopherenic handful at best - I just hope that dry weather will change my mind :happy2:
Thanks to all again
Gareth
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benefit of the bluefin mate, you can just take it off during these conditions if it is not beneficial and come spring remap again
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benefit of the bluefin mate, you can just take it off during these conditions if it is not beneficial and come spring remap again
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I've kind of done that ... I have reverted to the 'original' SC remap for the DSG. I reloaded it on this morning so still have nearly 300bhp ... but with the lower torque map. I immediately loaded the newest map back into the BF ready for better weather :evilgrin:
The older SC map is soooooo much slower than the newest one - when you drive them back to back it really is an eye opener ! That said, the older of their uprated maps is still much quicker than standard but much more suited to the current climate.
I had little problem getting all the power down in 2nd upwards which made for a more relaxing drive. It does feel gutless in 4th onwards though - the extra torque and power of the newer map really does come into it's own on the motorway and it obviously hadn't taken me long to get used to having it!
It is great being able to choose between standard (though I can't see me going there except for servicing) uprated (low torque) and uprated (high torque). :laugh:
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Gareth, the lower 'dogbone' engine mount may help without causing extra vibration :happy2: A cheap and effective mod.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=393.0
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I well and truelly jumped on this bandwagon today and ordered myself a blue fin!
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I well and truelly jumped on this bandwagon today and ordered myself a blue fin!
Me too, just ordered the dog bone :happy2: 1st mod for me then!!
As i can't afford a remap yet i will get the other bits ready for when i do IE this, dump valve, brakes etc.
Why had SC been given so much bad press in the past? On "the other" site, i can remember reading a single post that said they were any good but no reasons were given..... Seems like a great product with top after sales service :happy2:
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I well and truelly jumped on this bandwagon today and ordered myself a blue fin!
Me too, just ordered the dog bone :happy2: 1st mod for me then!!
As i can afford a remap yet i will get the other bits ready for when i do IE this, dump valve, brakes etc.
Why had SC been given so much bad press in the past? On "the other" site, i can remember reading a single post that said they were any good but no reasons were given..... Seems like a great product with top after sales service :happy2:
Sensible way of doing it Ben! TBH I never bought into the negative crap that was spouted and went by recomendations from people who had the product and knew what they were talking about. One of the major reasons they were slated is because they aren't exclusivley a VAG tuner, but that makes no odds to me! :wink: And if anything means they have more resource and financial backup. :happy2:
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I well and truelly jumped on this bandwagon today and ordered myself a blue fin!
Why had SC been given so much bad press in the past? On "the other" site, i can remember reading a single post that said they were any good but no reasons were given..... Seems like a great product with top after sales service :happy2:
I was going to get the APR remap done by Tuningwerkes for my Ed 30 .... and I am sure I would have been more than happy as they have a great reputation - but having used Superchips on 3 cars a few years back I thought I would speak to them and see if they could turn me away from APR or Revo.
A brief email 'conversation' with Michael Alvey-Anderson got straightforward and clear replies which convinced me they were worth another go. Because of my concerns they offered to install the map and do before and after rolling road runs for free ..... I took them up on this and, as I have stated here and on the 'other' sites I am very happy again with their product. Their aftersales is great. I have been on the phone asking stupid questions and they answered them all.
I still can't make my mind up between their new powerful map for my car or the previous less torque orientated version - Superchips answer has been to supply me with both maps so I can change them myself using the Bluefin device. Cost - nothing! Top people ....
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i like the new more powerfull map, i had the revised (the nov 08 one, and i prefered the one it came with) lower power one on previously and it felt too slow lower down and the old traffic light grand prix wasnt much fun, the power just wasnt there imo, which is fine when its wet and icy etc but when the summer comes your stuck with the lack of power ?!!!, now i just use decent throttle control and its all fine, not had a single issue TBH, and like the extra power that i decide if i use or not
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having never had a car remapped going throug pros and cons has been a struggle, apart from on here i read through a great thread on tyremsoke (not many worth reading) that a certain Red Robin alos contributed on was a great read on the differences between the various companies etc etc, got to be honest superchips been great with my enquiries on the roc, sent me their developments maps and been agreed to tell me when ready, think you have to define pros and cons as differences which suit tastes better
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i like the new more powerfull map
... and there can be no doubt it is more powerful :laugh:
It goes in 2nd like it has a rocket up it's ar*e ..... when it can get traction :grin: Bring on the summer - who ordered this snow and ice :(
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Well guys, thought I'd provide you with an update. I've done circa 150 miles with the remap - and strangely it seems to have settled in. No more manic wheelspin, horrific torque steer etc. As stated earlier, I use progressive throttle application and have now "learned" how to drive with the remap instead of trying to drive a standard 230bhp ED30. The one thing I am having difficulty coping with is 2000rpm 6th gear acceleration of standard map, the way it used to just accelerate any gear any rpm, it was one of my favorite characteristics of the engine. On checking all of the powerplots you have all kindly made available to me it shows that the I should be getting to equal or more torque post remap than the standard map between 0 - 2000rpm Now, post remap, I find that I only really get good power over 4000rpm whent the car really does give a good shove of torque and seems to accelerate at an exponential rate. Is this a characteristic that everyone else finds with the manual ED30 remap ? I am however on the whole much happier with the remap and enjoing taking in acceleration comparable to the USS Enterprise !! I do however feel that the remap has put some extra strain on the car and somehow the car feels "heavier" at the front end. Am considering the Dog Bone Insert as suggested (will use up my JKM vouchers), and have been considering for some time pre remap to ease gear change and reduce exhaust strain, tramping and wheelspin. I am just concerned tha as a visual mod that my local dealer may not be too happy with the idea of stiffening a bush, thus pontentially compromising the equilibrium in the suspension, breaking and steering systems and adding to wear and other problems for the associated components.
Secondly, the car seems much "smoother" in the mapping both under load and at idle, an annoying engine squeak on idle has disappeared post remap.
On a subsiduary note has anyone used the datalogging component of the Bluefin device, if so to what extent, was going to give it a go later on this evening - maybe the Bluefin data plots will show the difference between pre and post remap figures such as boost, A/F ratio etc.
Regards,
Gareth
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good to hear you feel a bit better :happy2:
The dogbone insert is virtually invisible so i doubt very much a dealer would even notice (you could even go to the extent of using the original VW washer to hide it even more), Id just do it :smiley:
All its doing is filling in some voids (holes) in the original mount.
regards the 2k shove I guess its just that what felt quick before just doesnt now lol
Car will still accelerate the same or better.
Mine hits peak boost by 2500 rpm btw
A remapped ED30 is very quick just using quick bursts 2-3500rpm.....yeehaaaa
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That's interesting - peak boost at 2000rpm hmmm.... mine feels as if the boost threshold is much higher than that like I said 4000rpm ... is your car a DSG Johno ? Got me thinking now.
Regards,
Gareth
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manual and its APR not BF btw , prob diff characteristics
(on a side note its def worth getting a boost guage or logging your act vs req boost once remapped to keep an eye on that DV)
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Yes I'm aware of the dv issues and the requirment to check the actual v requested boost levels, unfortunately I don't have vag-com to check it at the moment. To you guys out there with SC Bluefin ED30's who happen to have boost guages fitted, where is peak boost delivered, mine seems to give most power above 4000rpm, I understand that this could be due to valve timing etc and that peak boost could be achieved much below this level.
Regards,
Gareth
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Torque arm insert ordered using free JKM Vouchers, that should help a little. Secondly with regards to the datalogging features of blue fin - I spoke to Tech Support this morning, that function is only used by staff to ensure the car is performing well, I have forwarded them datalogging file, they will analyse and send back in graphical format - result.
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Maybe the map is still in it's learning phase, as I like you have noticed a difference as the miles mount up. I was trying the low down torque out yesterday and agree it's not as tourqey (real word?) as it could be, but this seemed to be a characteristic of the stage 2 map from the 1st and was generally agreed this was Superchips way of increasing the top end to increase overall BHP. My car will still happily be slotted into 6th at 30mph with no grumbles and to add to that I find if I want to be economical the car responds and regularly give's me 33-34 on my commute.
Glad your getting used to it now Gareth :happy2:
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Yes I'm aware of the dv issues and the requirment to check the actual v requested boost levels, unfortunately I don't have vag-com to check it at the moment. To you guys out there with SC Bluefin ED30's who happen to have boost guages fitted, where is peak boost delivered, mine seems to give most power above 4000rpm, I understand that this could be due to valve timing etc and that peak boost could be achieved much below this level.
Regards,
Gareth
as far as im aware the dv issue has only been reported on mk5gti's ko3 ones. not ed30's as the dv has been moved to a different location in the engine in the new cars and the ko4 versions.
To stop the problem occuring.
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Cheers James, wasn't aware it didn't affect the ED30's. If that is the case why are people fitting the expensive Forge FMFSITVR - what benefit does that give over standard ?
Regards,
Gareth
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The Forge one is a piston type affair and is faster acting and more efficient than the diaphram type. They also claim it hold on to the boost longer, but I doubt there is much in it.
It is a good solid performer and a preventative measure against diaphram wear/tear.
You also must remember that the Forge item needs lubricating every so often - it isn't a "fit and forget" part :nerd:
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i was under the impression they moved the DV to the front due to heat issues from the turbo. especially when running more boost. So if it is the same as the tfsi DV it will still have the weak diaphragm
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the location was changed by VW, however the problem can effect cars with relocated valve (inc ED30) esp when remapped
(just relocation to avoid heat, does not seem to have resolved all its problems)
My personal opinion is to keep the OE until it fails, then consider a swap to Forge DV or a new OE part.
For me this is the biggest reason to log boost or fit a guage when the cars running well, so you can get a feel for normal boost over the rpm range(and conditions) which you can compare to when a problem rears its ugly head.
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As per the post above.
My car does feel like the peak boost is at 4k plus.
I really wanna get it dyno'd again to see whats what. Time is an issue at the moment tho :(
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check out SteveP thread here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=993.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=993.0)
Its his original SC map against the new version.
I can see from the original torque curve it starts to rise again at 4k+ so that makes sense and corresponds to your comments.
I would expect the car to feel very different with the new map, and have an earlier peak rpm 'feel'
StevePG , how does your new SC map feel compared to the old? in terms of rpm peak feel?
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^^^ TBH, since mine was re-worked at Superchips with the TBE I haven't really had chance to drive it properly :sad: It was off the road for a few days due to the tyre issues and for the last week it's been in for warranty work :sad:
I hoping to get the today so will hopefully be able to give it a proper test :smiley:
Edit - Dealer just called while typing this post to say it will be ready today but they have had to repaint the rear spoiler :scared: :scared: :scared:
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ooooo thats not good is it Steve ! feel for you trusting your car to these muppets.
Let us know how the SC map drives when you get it back :happy2:
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Dear All,
Hmmmmm .... had a bit of a problem tonight ... putting the car through its paces - enging managment light began to flash when quite high up the rev range. Backed off continued to flash for some 10 secs and then extinguished - any ideas ? Will phone Super Chips tomorrow, don't know why that happened - I noticed that the rev limiter seems to be set slightly lower and the "cut" has changed ... am very very very concerned - a bit scared to give the car some - will try checking using the DTC function shortly when I get home.
Very worried Gareth :scared: :scared: :scared:
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:scared: scary stuff, yes get hold of SC in the morning, definatly was the engine Management light not the traction control light?? when my Tc cuts in when pressing on, mine completely cuts power for 2-3 seconds all the dam time, but dealer said thats normal :confused:
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oh dear!
flashing CEL indicates a temporary (or long term condition) the ECU doesnt like.
It will flash and then go off , or if you get it a few times the light will prob stay lit until you clear the fault codes.
Get the codes downloaded before you push it again.
Although I wouldnt be too worried at this point, it could just be a coil pack not liking the remap lol.
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not sure on the golf, but my old car (not VW) used to go into limp mode if the car wheelspan more than say twice in succession , switching the car on and off sorted it out
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Reconnected bluefin to d/load DTC's - getting fault code P0300, P0303 and P0302 - translate as :-
P0303 : Fault Cyl D-Misfire Detected (CYL 3)
P0302 : Fault Cyl B-Misfire Detected (CYL 2)
P0300 : Random/Multiple Cyl Misfire Detected
Do I reload to stock map as leaving for work at 2100 or ..... shall I drive tonight and contact superchips first thing tomorrow morn ?
Regards,
Gareth
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look here http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67280
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Cheers Blue, I would be as concerned if it logged just misfire CYL 3 as that cylinder has the longest inlet track and can be prone to this sort of fault code, it's just that it logged CYL 2 as well. I was thinking that due to boost level etc whether Superchips have retarted the timing quite acutely at the top end of the rev range ..... hmmmmm .... should I clear the code or leave them present ?
Regards,
Gareth
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is it running ok now ?
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Yes running fine - bit scared to give it some up the top of the range - strange - very similar to issue in this thread, but mine has Bluefin John's is APR:-
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=263.60
I did actually hear it misfire at the top a lo Pug 205 on limiter noise, but having said that this was on the limiter also, but ED30 limiter was soft cut not hard cut - noise was more like hard cut limiter unless SC have changed way revs are limited post remap
Regards,
Gareth
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yeh a few threads with simillar issues, just read the one below and he has Revo, a few threads point towards coilpacks, plugs and even dodgy fuel, its hard to tell really, it could do with being Vag com'd
http://www.golfmk5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1348845
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lol at your post! same time
if its running OK generally and the light doesnt flash in normal driving it will be fine imho
Your right though because its more than one cylinder it indicates its not coilpacks (but still could be !)
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/16686/P0302/000770
tbh this is a bit of deja-vu for me! I have exactly the same DTC codes currently being investigated by Awesome (APR map).
However almost 90% of the time its a known issue coilpacks/injectors/sensors/fuel reg/filters/spark plugs/camlobe-fuel pump wear etc
Is it only under WOT at high rpm? or at any rpm
Unless the car goes into limp mode (limited boost) then I would say its fine to drive just dont push it hard.
have to ask ,you havent filled up with some 95 RON fuel by mistake?
Forgot to add . flash it back to stock and WOT run it to see if it still faults
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Tesco 99 all the way, yes high RPM WOT at the limiter 4th gear, CEL light flashed intermitantly for 5 - 10 secs - I backed off and haven't driven at that engine RPM since ... hmm will clear codes and try it on way to work tonight ... strange ... but very concerned,
Regards,
Gareth
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Tesco 99 all the way, yes high RPM WOT at the limiter 4th gear, CEL light flashed intermitantly for 5 - 10 secs - I backed off and haven't driven at that engine RPM since ... hmm will clear codes and try it on way to work tonight ... strange ... but very concerned,
Regards,
Gareth
i hope its ok, on the ST i had the warning light would come on quite alot and stay on, the remap just confused the ECU, car was fine though
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Reconnected bluefin to d/load DTC's - getting fault code P0300, P0303 and P0302 - translate as :-
P0303 : Fault Cyl D-Misfire Detected (CYL 3)
P0302 : Fault Cyl B-Misfire Detected (CYL 2)
P0300 : Random/Multiple Cyl Misfire Detected
Do I reload to stock map as leaving for work at 2100 or ..... shall I drive tonight and contact superchips first thing tomorrow morn ?
Regards,
Gareth
Thats one of the problems you get if you order an 'off-the-shelf' remap... its why I went with Revo and had JKM install it. I seem to recall Keith from JKM saying something about a cylinder misfiring or something but that it wasn't serious and that they had adjusted the settings to take care of it. Never had a problem with my Revo map. Of course, you could get a tuner to install the SC remap and again, I'm sure that would be better than remapping your ecu on your own. Ready for the :fighting: from SC owners :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I think part of the attraction of the Superchips Bluefin is that it is an 'off the shelf' diy remap.
The interesting thing now is how Superchips deal with any perceived problems with the map once Gareth speaks to them.
And yes I am a very interested party. :wink:
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Reconnected bluefin to d/load DTC's - getting fault code P0300, P0303 and P0302 - translate as :-
P0303 : Fault Cyl D-Misfire Detected (CYL 3)
P0302 : Fault Cyl B-Misfire Detected (CYL 2)
P0300 : Random/Multiple Cyl Misfire Detected
Do I reload to stock map as leaving for work at 2100 or ..... shall I drive tonight and contact superchips first thing tomorrow morn ?
Regards,
Gareth
Thats one of the problems you get if you order an 'off-the-shelf' remap... its why I went with Revo and had JKM install it. I seem to recall Keith from JKM saying something about a cylinder misfiring or something but that it wasn't serious and that they had adjusted the settings to take care of it. Never had a problem with my Revo map. Of course, you could get a tuner to install the SC remap and again, I'm sure that would be better than remapping your ecu on your own. Ready for the :fighting: from SC owners :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
i posted a link earlier where a Revo owner had the same issue :happy2: :laugh:
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i posted a link earlier where a Revo owner had the same issue :happy2: :laugh:
I know. I had issues too when JKM put the Revo map on and they were sorted immediately though. Moral of the story is to get your car mapped by a competent garage/technican.
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i posted a link earlier where a Revo owner had the same issue :happy2: :laugh:
I know. I had issues too when JKM put the Revo map on and they were sorted immediately though. Moral of the story is to get your car mapped by a competent garage/technican.
If people have had 'problems' they have always been quick to come straight back and report how pleased they were with SC's customer service. Don't believe everything you read Illyun. I've never had a REVO map and I for one would not knock REVO or anyone that chose to use it.
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Thats one of the problems you get if you order an 'off-the-shelf' remap... its why I went with Revo and had JKM install it. I seem to recall Keith from JKM saying something about a cylinder misfiring or something but that it wasn't serious and that they had adjusted the settings to take care of it. Never had a problem with my Revo map. Of course, you could get a tuner to install the SC remap and again, I'm sure that would be better than remapping your ecu on your own. Ready for the :fighting: from SC owners :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
IMHO it's not an "off the self / diy" remap, it is a remap developed like most other tuners on specific cars and then mass distirbuted via a different method. I believe in it's standard form it brings a remap suitable for people who are generally less interested in doing further mods, but for the likes of me and a a few others on here can provide an upgrade path without charging £50+ per time. :smiley:
Also why would a company like JKM sell the SC stuff if they didn't think it was up to the job? :happy2:
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cmon guys this aint a my maps better than yours contest, we all have opinions :grouphug:
The maps are all in the same 'group' as SteveP states.
The issue with any map is that it pushes components closer to their limits than stock, esp it appears for ED30 tunes.
My belief is some tuners push the envelope more than others.
Also the variances in each car mean the limits can be at different points.
As well as how up to the job the OE components are at point of remap.
Problems can also be seen straight after remap, or even a few thousand miles later. (e.g. coilpack failure)
My issues werent found at Prosport RR day but happened after, so even a setting up session may not have helped or found an issue. (even if the APR software allowed adjustment! which it doesnt....)
REVO's big selling point is adjustability which can either take you to max hp, or even allow you to 'dial' around a problem to some extent.
SC big selling point is remote mapping which is a huge benefit for some
Each to their own, but I know my reasons for choosing and each and every person has theirs too. (for which we can all justify lol)
Ive always been concerned that small changes in REVO settings can cause DTCs so for me thats too close to the envelope (esp as im not going to be putting ££ into hrs of rr tuning), but in no way would i discourage others, as REVO gets great power and reliability seems solid.
Re SC I'm not a fan and have my opinions, but it seems to work well, good power with many (my biggest concerns have been around the changing low and high power maps etc)
Lets keep the info coming :happy2: I'm very interested to see how this turns out, both for me and gareth.
(remember the same fault codes dont indicate the same issue!)
REVO/SC/APR/GIAC , if we all had the same map this forum would be dull.
In the end do your research (hrs of info on the web esp on golfmkv.com) and choose a mapping company that works around the parameters that you need. (cost/location/after sales service/adjustability etc), and just because brand A suits your needs today doesnt mean others wont in the future.
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i posted a link earlier where a Revo owner had the same issue :happy2: :laugh:
I know. I had issues too when JKM put the Revo map on and they were sorted immediately though. Moral of the story is to get your car mapped by a competent garage/technican.
Ooops... I think people are getting the wrong message here! I'm not knocking SC here - although I have been a bit suspicious of them in the past thanks to TT :confused: - but am just saying that its better to go to a JKM/Awesome/BBToys etc.. to get your car remapped regardless of what map you are getting be it Revo/GIAC/APR or God forbid, even Superchips :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :grin: :grin: :wink:
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Fair comments Illyun :happy2:
As said previously I can only really comment on SC and each and every time I have had questions over any aspect of the map they have offered to look at the car at their HQ FOC.
And to add to this thread, my Stage2 map giving me 324bhp hasn't given me so much as a hiccup in around 1000 miles. I will be at SC HQ on Friday and will report my findings here once Im home! :drinking:
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and in the essence of fairness I should also point out that a RR session with a remap should always be done imho.
APR@Awesome dont routinely (and i think they should). REVO dealers some do , some dont.
I can already see the myriad of excuses from Santa Pod on the 2nd :grin: (probably mine :sad: :grin:)
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As said previously I can only really comment on SC and each and every time I have had questions over any aspect of the map they have offered to look at the car at their HQ FOC.
And to add to this thread, my Stage2 map giving me 324bhp hasn't given me so much as a hiccup in around 1000 miles.
:signIWS:
No hiccups either with my old stage 1 DSG Superchips map over 1500 miles .... or the new Stage 1 map over a good few hundred .... SC RR'd my car FoC twice on separate visits to allay my concerns (which were brought about from reading in the main other forums) which I thought was excellent.
I am sure they will check the car over but it seems to me that it isn't going to be the map but something VW put on some cars of a slightly different spec to most others which doesn't like the maps. S3's with GIAC software have also had this type of problem according to the forums. Hopefully the tuners can narrow it down so we all know what is doing it !
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Ok .. spoke to superchips. They said they have not yet dealt with any similar issues on the S3/ED30/Cupra remaps as yet. He stated that it would not be coil pack related as the coil packs are a revision to those fitted to the standard 200PS GTi. I questioned them on the requested vs actual fuel pressure, noting that other remaps can request 130 bar at various points and circumstances throughout the rev range. He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application, so it's not that. I exclusilvly run the ED30 on Tesco 99, which superchips state they see 310 - 325 bhp on standard cars with remap stg1 and Tesco 99 fuel. I asked whether I should try running octane booster and they said that it would cause no harm to try .... in short they weren't too sure. They also asked, how much fuel the car had in it and also how often the car is used - assuming trying to ascertain whether the 99 had "gone off" so to speak. It had 1/2 tank of fuel at the time which they should should be sufficient and would not cause demand issues. They stated that they would not be concerned, to clear the fault codes and see if it happens again in the same circumstance, WOT 4th gear 6000 - 7000 rpm. They said if it occured again to reflash to stock, drive around on stock for a day and then reflash back to remap. If the problem persits to recontact them for and they'll tweak the map for me.
Interesingly they said:-
ED30 RON 95 = 290bhp
ED30 RON 95 & Octane Booster = 300bhp
ED30 Tesco 99 = 300 - 325bhp
Above confirmed from their RR dyno plots.
Plan of attack :-
Will attempt to re create the circumstance today in same place and see what happens. If CEL flashes again - will swap to stock map and drive around for a day and flash back. If still persists will try adding octane booster, if persists further will recontact superchips. They also stated that I should not be concerned at this stage.
Very promising so far - it didn't happen last night on way to work on limiter in 3rd :signLOL: :driver:
Regards,
Gareth
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It will be interesting to see how SC sort this problem out. Its a bit discouraging reading when remaps go wrong. I can definately see the benefits of the Bluefin unit, but when I read the problems that have occured (including the low powered map) I can't help feel its best too have the mapping done and checked by a specialist tuner.
Bearing in mind its an expensive vehicle being remapped imho its worth the inconvenience of time and travel.
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cheers Gareth for the update, sounds just like mine, sometimes its just fine!
Mine is def more prone to doing so after a period of gentle use then a blast.
Continous blasting and it was less frequent.
Hopefully I will get an update soon from APR USA about mine and will post as soon as I do.
He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application
not wishing to go OT or criticise but thats just :scared:
let us know how it goes.....
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perhaps a dodgy bit of petrol ?, or dodgy batch, or even just a glitch, i have read that mapped cars and non mapped cars have had simillar issues , i reckon you are ok, enjoy the car again, if it comes back back to SC :happy2:
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I think many of you have posted links to or have read similar threads with other SW so as you can see it is a 'known' issue which affects some cars. The current REVO thinking is that (certainly with respect to S3) there has been a change in Down Pipe design on newer cars which increases the chances of this happening, they recommend a larger DP and CAT. For me, for now, I'll sit on the fence with that one.
I think (and this is only my opinion) that it's simply a case of exploring the boundries of capability with these engines, REVO obviously have seen lots of it as they always push for the big numbers, APR not too far behind them but until now SC have remained quite conservative. Of late their (SC) customer base have been demanding greater numbers which has forced them into slightly unknown territory and hence I believe you are now seeing the side effects of that. The more you push the closer to the wind you sail.
Again, IMHO, it is nothing to do with who's map is best (certainly not in this 'shootout' although I could add a couple of undesirables to the list), you are as I said above finding the limitations of the engine and it's components. I bang on about it all the time but SC/Bluefin is a product aimed at a specific market and (until now) that has been a vastly different market to that that REVO/APR aim at. If you want bigger numbers then SC/BF has traditionally not been the place to go, however they have seen that the market demands it and they have followed suit. SC/BF is ideal for it's simplicty and recently the amazing price.
Some of the S3 boys have had success with changing the injectors on the 'problematic' cylinders.
One more thing, whilst I appreciate that SC/BF is a code reader, if you want to push the boundries you gotta get VCDS and start doing some logging and paying attention to your car and what it's doing.
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I think many of you have posted links to or have read similar threads with other SW so as you can see it is a 'known' issue which affects some cars. The current REVO thinking is that (certainly with respect to S3) there has been a change in Down Pipe design on newer cars which increases the chances of this happening, they recommend a larger DP and CAT. For me, for now, I'll sit on the fence with that one.
I think (and this is only my opinion) that it's simply a case of exploring the boundries of capability with these engines, REVO obviously have seen lots of it as they always push for the big numbers, APR not too far behind them but until now SC have remained quite conservative. Of late their (SC) customer base have been demanding greater numbers which has forced them into slightly unknown territory and hence I believe you are now seeing the side effects of that. The more you push the closer to the wind you sail.
Again, IMHO, it is nothing to do with who's map is best (certainly not in this 'shootout' although I could add a couple of undesirables to the list), you are as I said above finding the limitations of the engine and it's components. I bang on about it all the time but SC/Bluefin is a product aimed at a specific market and (until now) that has been a vastly different market to that that REVO/APR aim at. If you want bigger numbers then SC/BF has traditionally not been the place to go, however they have seen that the market demands it and they have followed suit. SC/BF is ideal for it's simplicty and recently the amazing price.
Some of the S3 boys have had success with changing the injectors on the 'problematic' cylinders.
One more thing, whilst I appreciate that SC/BF is a code reader, if you want to push the boundries you gotta get VCDS and start doing some logging and paying attention to your car and what it's doing.
Very well written reply, I agree whole heartedly with you.
Ok .. spoke to superchips. They said they have not yet dealt with any similar issues on the S3/ED30/Cupra remaps as yet. He stated that it would not be coil pack related as the coil packs are a revision to those fitted to the standard 200PS GTi. I questioned them on the requested vs actual fuel pressure, noting that other remaps can request 130 bar at various points and circumstances throughout the rev range. He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application, so it's not that. I exclusilvly run the ED30 on Tesco 99, which superchips state they see 310 - 325 bhp on standard cars with remap stg1 and Tesco 99 fuel. I asked whether I should try running octane booster and they said that it would cause no harm to try .... in short they weren't too sure. They also asked, how much fuel the car had in it and also how often the car is used - assuming trying to ascertain whether the 99 had "gone off" so to speak. It had 1/2 tank of fuel at the time which they should should be sufficient and would not cause demand issues. They stated that they would not be concerned, to clear the fault codes and see if it happens again in the same circumstance, WOT 4th gear 6000 - 7000 rpm. They said if it occured again to reflash to stock, drive around on stock for a day and then reflash back to remap. If the problem persits to recontact them for and they'll tweak the map for me.
Interesingly they said:-
ED30 RON 95 = 290bhp
ED30 RON 95 & Octane Booster = 300bhp
ED30 Tesco 99 = 300 - 325bhp
Above confirmed from their RR dyno plots.
Plan of attack :-
Will attempt to re create the circumstance today in same place and see what happens. If CEL flashes again - will swap to stock map and drive around for a day and flash back. If still persists will try adding octane booster, if persists further will recontact superchips. They also stated that I should not be concerned at this stage.
Very promising so far - it didn't happen last night on way to work on limiter in 3rd :signLOL: :driver:
Regards,
Gareth
Bit of an update for you guys, I tried flashing back to standard, drove around for a day. It was actually a very interesting experience, I have realised HOW MUCH MORE you get when remapped. Power delivery was exactly the same, but without the huge surge in power you get at 2500rpm with bluefin. Any way used all the remaining fuel, went back to Tesco's and filled with 99 and flashed back to Bluefin. Within 50 miles of relashing, pressing on, rev limiter 3rd gear and misfire and flashing managment light - DOH !!
Recontacted Superchips, they have sent out a new map with slightly lower power on thevery top of the rev range.... but .... I haven't loaded it as yet. I feel that dropping power at the top is more of a quick fix than a total solution to a problem that is causing a misfire. haven't even downloaded it to bluefin device as yet. Superhips told me that I wouldn't notice the difference, but am really concerned that I will !! Especially with the Pod coming up - am really hoping to go.
So ... am just debating whether to contect device and d/load new map or just having to change up earlier. I spoke to them about the possibility of too much fuel at one increment of the rev range at WOT but they stated that this should definatly not be the case.
Ah well, anyway am well used to it now. In the wet it is interesting, 4th and 5th gear wheelspin is quite amusing, and in the dry the performance is nothing short of breathtaking, I mean 2500rpm 6th gear overtake and pin you to the seat :signLOL:
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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well, its a hard one, mine does not do that, i tried it especially for you :happy2: :laugh: , not sure what to suggest really, have you thought about visiting there HQ
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I tried a Bluefin around a year ago, just after I'd had the Milltek put on. Got a refund after a week as although the power was there, I couldn't live with the misfire and 'roughness' the map bought to the car. Yes I have less power now, but it's far more enjoyable to drive.
Having said that, Superchips were the very model of excellent customer service. I can't praise them highly enough for that, they did everything in their power to sort it out and I have no doubt they'd have got to the bottom of it eventually. The problem was it was taking away the enjoyment from driving my car and if I kept trying to find a misfire under acceleration with a Milltek fitted it'd only be a matter of time before the boys in blue 'took an interest'.
I might try a Revo in the future, then again I might not. I'm very happy with the car I've got at the moment and will only look at changing things when I'm getting bored. At least I won't have the temptation of any Revo offers at GTI International this year as I'll be going to Glastonbury instead! :smiley:
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I think the car if anything is smoother, not sure what you mean be "roughness". Secondly, can I take it that you had a misfire problem also ? What did Bluefin try to change in order to rectify the problem in your case ?
Regards,
Gareth
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I think the car if anything is smoother, not sure what you mean be "roughness". Secondly, can I take it that you had a misfire problem also ? What did Bluefin try to change in order to rectify the problem in your case ?
Regards,
Gareth
yeh, non of the bluefin maps i have had have been rough, and in that year there's been at least 2 new maps so things have changed a bit
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gareth, when its happened again was it the exact same cylinder misfires? and is it specific rpm or just a range ?
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Yeah 2 & 3 - I understand why 3 is mst likely to misfire as it has the longest inlet tract, but 2 is cosiderably shorter. It happens anywhere after 6500rpm to limiter.
Suppose I'll have to try the revised map.
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^^^ Like Shaun said Gareth if it's at all possible I would get down to see them in person.
When I was down there with Greenouse on Friday another guy came into see them who had a issue loading his map via the bluefin handset (wasn't a Golf) but their customer service was excellent and he left 30 mins later with the map loaded and a free dyno run completed to confirm everything was running fine.
Likewise for both me a Nathan on Friday they took time to check on our cars on the dyno and showed/explained details of all the ignition timing and fueling reading.
They then also completed some VAG COM logging on test drives to ensure everything else was running correctly.
They also said they wanted to do some further development on the modified map they also want to offer where the throttle response in 1st and 2nd Gears is adjusted to make the map a bit more drivable for the heavy right footed owners :driver:
(We will be doing a little write-up of our DSG vs. Manual comparison session in the next couple of days)
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Yes I did think about that - I've spoken to them 4-5 times now and they have yet to offer - I think they are going to try to exhaust all possibilities before offering. I think that could possibly cure the problem - there is nothing like live data logging. Interesting you say about 1st and 2nd, I don't seem to get any traction issues in those gears at least in the dry (wet is a different story !), the torque delivered in 3rd,4th,5th and 6th seems to appear at about 2500 - 3000 rpm, however in 2nd gear that torque is absent until 5000rpm, wonder if the map I'm running could be this "improved traction" map. I suppose I'll think I'll have to at least give this new map awaiting download a go and take it from there. It's just that Milton Keynes from South Wales is quite some way, especially if they are unable to rectify the problem and or need more time to investigate, potentially time without my car etc etc.
Regards,
Gareth
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Based on what you say about the the torque coming in at 5K sounds like the existing modified 1st and 2nd map they tested on Nathan's ED30 Manual on Friday and they where not happy with the results.
They said exactly like you the power didn't come in until 5K and all in one lump which isn't ideal, so I would defiantly get the new map on there and give it a try.
The live logging is the best tool for them to properly diagnose the problem. :happy2:
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yeh, non of the bluefin maps i have had have been rough, and in that year there's been at least 2 new maps so things have changed a bit
Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make. I had an early map with issues, there seem to be few now and those that there are get sorted. And get sorted with excellent customer service. I just didn't feel the cost/benefit payoff was there for me at the time, maybe a future purchase though. I'd go for Revo rather than Superchips as that's the brand my 'preferred' tuner deals with. :wink:
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Gareth, my peak torque is at around 3750rpm so I rarely feel the need to go anywhere near the rev limiter. :smiley:
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Yes I get excellent torque at that rpm level also, but it just feels so hapy all the way up the range that I just can't help myself :evilgrin:. Besides, it just shouldn't misfire anyway. Do you never take your car to the line Greenouse ? I drive my car extremely conservativly in the main - I achieve 34 - 37mpg on my daily commute, but when I feel the need ....
Regards,
Gareth
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going to SC would be a good option but I can see why you wont at the moment.
Its very easy to swap a coil pack for 2 or 3 , so might be worth a try just to rule that out?
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Yeah I have thought about that, but apparently the coil pack failure seems to be limited to the AAX 200PS TFSI ?
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Put it this way I've never felt the rev limiter kick in! I've really never felt the need to spank it that far up the rev range :wink: Im not saying I won't and to be honest Im intrigued as to whether I will get a misfire or not :confused:
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Put it this way I've never felt the rev limiter kick in! I've really never felt the need to spank it that far up the rev range :wink: Im not saying I won't and to be honest Im intrigued as to whether I will get a misfire or not :confused:
Fair enough, like I said 95% of the time I drive extremly conservative to the letter of the law. Completly understandable if you don't want to spank the car !
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Put it this way I've never felt the rev limiter kick in! I've really never felt the need to spank it that far up the rev range :wink: Im not saying I won't and to be honest Im intrigued as to whether I will get a misfire or not :confused:
Fair enough, like I said 95% of the time I drive extremly conservative to the letter of the law. Completly understandable if you don't want to spank the car !
If someone pi$$es me off then they'll get what they deserve, but like yourself I take it easy most of the time. I cringe when I get the car dyno'd :chicken:
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revving the car up to limiter isnt needed on a mapped an ED30, but I do do it esp under wheelspin conditions.
However at Santa Pod I wont be going anywhere near the limiter as its slower......
coilpack failure isnt limited to any revision AFAIK, but I agree its prob not your issue but at least youd have ruled it out.
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Put it this way I've never felt the rev limiter kick in! I've really never felt the need to spank it that far up the rev range :wink: Im not saying I won't and to be honest Im intrigued as to whether I will get a misfire or not :confused:
come to think of it i have never hit the limiter since the remap
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ive never felt the limiter without the map, i never rev mine past 5500rpm.Theres no benefit to strangling its nuts for no extra accelaration.
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With the Milltek I take it higher up the rev range just for the soundtrack :laugh:
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I hardly rev my Ed30 to the redline - can probably count the number of times I have done it in 18 months on one hand and also try to ignore the its screams when on the dyno :sad: :grin: :grin: :grin:. Ditto for the R32 - I think I've done it once by accident on that. A Mk2 16v however is a different proposition - its a redline whore :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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I had a spot of fun earlier trying to keep up with a very non-standard Mitsubishi FQ-300 that spat flames on the overrun. :scared:
Not a hope and quite good fun trying but I didn't experience any unexpected warning lights.
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I had a spot of fun earlier trying to keep up with a very non-standard Mitsubishi FQ-300 that spat flames on the overrun. :scared:
Not a hope and quite good fun trying but I didn't experience any unexpected warning lights.
At least someone is making the most out of their gti, this thread was starting to sound like a toyota prius one!
:P
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Is there anybody out there that has had a revo and bluefin remap??
My 5hr revo trial has just expired and im rather gutted so time to get a map sorted.
I'm waiting for a confirmed price of the revo at either 399 or 499 pounds + vat.
The bluefin at 390 delivered seems a bargain but it seems a totally different map.
The revo has a massive kick of torque and power and delivers 200bhp at 3700rpm whereas the bluefin delivers 200bhp at over 5000rpm. Also the revo has 300ft lb of torque at just over 2000rpm which explains why i had so much fun with the massive shove the remap was giving me. I love all the features of the bluefin but the revo map was soo much fun i fear i may be disappointed. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys have. I've posted the maps of the revo below but they are very low quality so may be difficult to read
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2FgetImageasp.gif&hash=843832f8f26d8039300c0cb5090014f4861814dc) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2Ffdkmvf.gif&hash=ce369912ca9bced15e2c37797a0a960026017085)
I just got hold of the blu-fin maps below so you can see the difference
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And also the apr map which seems very similar to the revo
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Is there anybody out there that has had a revo and blufin remap??
My 5hr revo trial has just expired and im rather gutted so time to get a map sorted.
I'm waiting for a confirmed price of the revo at either 399 or 499 pounds + vat.
The bluefin at 390 delivered seems a bargain but it seems a totally different map.
The revo has a massive kick of torque and power and delivers 200bhp at 3700rpm whereas the bluefin delivers 200bhp at over 5000rpm. Also the revo has 300ft lb of torque at just over 2000rpm which explains why i had so much fun with the massive shove the remap was giving me. I love all the features of the bluefin but the revo map was soo much fun i fear i may be disappointed. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys have. I've posted the maps of the revo below but they are very low quality so may be difficult to read
Isn't there a trial period on the Bluefin so you can make a direct comparison rather than having to second guess it?
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Is there anybody out there that has had a revo and blufin remap??
My 5hr revo trial has just expired and im rather gutted so time to get a map sorted.
I'm waiting for a confirmed price of the revo at either 399 or 499 pounds + vat.
The bluefin at 390 delivered seems a bargain but it seems a totally different map.
The revo has a massive kick of torque and power and delivers 200bhp at 3700rpm whereas the bluefin delivers 200bhp at over 5000rpm. Also the revo has 300ft lb of torque at just over 2000rpm which explains why i had so much fun with the massive shove the remap was giving me. I love all the features of the bluefin but the revo map was soo much fun i fear i may be disappointed. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys have. I've posted the maps of the revo below but they are very low quality so may be difficult to read
Isn't there a trial period on the Bluefin so you can make a direct comparison rather than having to second guess it?
yeh, i think you just send the handset back
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What if I am not happy with the result?
If you are not happy with the results we offer a seven-day refund. Simply return your vehicle to its original settings and send your bluefin and your completed return form that came with your pack to Superchips using the address label supplied. Your statutory rights are not affected.
i would tell them you had the Revo trial though as the Revo map is still on your car
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Is there anybody out there that has had a revo and blufin remap??
My 5hr revo trial has just expired and im rather gutted so time to get a map sorted.
I'm waiting for a confirmed price of the revo at either 399 or 499 pounds + vat.
The bluefin at 390 delivered seems a bargain but it seems a totally different map.
The revo has a massive kick of torque and power and delivers 200bhp at 3700rpm whereas the bluefin delivers 200bhp at over 5000rpm. Also the revo has 300ft lb of torque at just over 2000rpm which explains why i had so much fun with the massive shove the remap was giving me. I love all the features of the bluefin but the revo map was soo much fun i fear i may be disappointed. I'd appreciate any feedback you guys have. I've posted the maps of the revo below but they are very low quality so may be difficult to read
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2FgetImageasp.gif&hash=843832f8f26d8039300c0cb5090014f4861814dc) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2Ffdkmvf.gif&hash=ce369912ca9bced15e2c37797a0a960026017085)
I just got hold of the blu-fin maps below so you can see the difference
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2Fsuper.jpg&hash=1097d84ce6d0de210ea7442f8a6a7022e6d3a8f0)
And also the apr map which seems very similar to the revo
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe58%2Fwinrya%2Fdyno_mkvgti_20t_93_clean.jpg&hash=d8baaa827d19981d389356fb3eb4f2abcc791c6f)
Updated to include bluefin map and apr
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What if I am not happy with the result?
If you are not happy with the results we offer a seven-day refund. Simply return your vehicle to its original settings and send your bluefin and your completed return form that came with your pack to Superchips using the address label supplied. Your statutory rights are not affected.
i would tell them you had the Revo trial though as the Revo map is still on your car
Thanks for that mate, seems like a quality product well worth considering
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I've had APR 3 times and running Revo now and been more than happy with them both and I'm a right fussy bugger :smiley:
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ive never felt the limiter without the map, i never rev mine past 5500rpm.Theres no benefit to strangling its nuts for no extra accelaration.
If you are only revving yours to 5500rpm @ Pod Steve, I may have to change my bet to Joe rater than you... :ashamed:
Can't see how you think that changing gear at 5500rpm will give you an advantage on a KO4 mate, KO3 maybe.. Yeah peak power maybe there, but if you change gear at peak power, where are you revs going to be in the next gear??? Not where they'll need to be on KO4 I know.. Especially when you're up against a torquey mapped KO3..
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What Rev range should i be revving to Ben??, 1st gear i thought best to shift early to stop and wheel hop, the build up from that?
Joes more likely to light up the front wheels with alot more torque, so shifting at 5500rpm, to 2nd would be back to 3800 app, which is still at peak output for the k04?
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I change mine even earlier than that 1st to 2nd as the torque in the mid range combined with the smooth quick change from the DSG makes mine feel like got one long first gear... But woudn't do it with standard map..
Changing at 5500rpm from 1st to 2nd should be ok mate, but after that I would just leave the box to change for you at 6500rpm (or 6250 as it is in real money :wink:)..
Only my opinion mate, but I serious think you'd be slower if you change at 5500rpm on everychange. But could be wrong, try it? :laugh:
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will do ben. cheers for the coaching oh ob1 :wink:
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will do ben. cheers for the coaching oh ob1 :wink:
No worries mate.. Just remember if Joe is ahead of you from the start... "USE THE FORCE" :jumpmove:
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What Rev range should i be revving to Ben??, 1st gear i thought best to shift early to stop and wheel hop, the build up from that?
Joes more likely to light up the front wheels with alot more torque, so shifting at 5500rpm, to 2nd would be back to 3800 app, which is still at peak output for the k04?
Just had a butchers at your RR graph Phil..
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You car is making power (as a KO4 should) to near enough 6000rpm, so if the DSG shifts at 6250rpm, it should drop you right in the sweet spot of around 4700rpm (where all your power is).. If you changed at 5500rpm, not only would you be shifting before peak power, but it would drop you at the wrong side of 4000-4500rpm IMO..
But as I said, could quite easily be proved wrong..
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Last Friday morning myself and Nath (Greenouse) after getting my car out of the dealers on day release, took a trip down to Superchips HQ in Buckingham for a bit of a shakedown session and to check things out for a possible Rolling Road day down there later on in the year.
It was also a good oportunity to campare two ED30's (one of each gearbox flavor) with very similar mods, these being: -
SteveP (Steel Grey 5 Door - 24K Miles) -
DSG
Superchips Stage 2 Map
Non-Res Turbo Back Milltek
"Carbonio" Style CAI
ITG Panel Filter
Greenouse (DBP 3 Door - 5K Miles) -
Manual
Superchips Stage 2 Map
Non-Res Turbo Back Milltek
"Carbonio" Style CAI
K&N Panel Filter
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On one of the final runs the car was slipping on the rollers near the top of end of the 5th gear so Jamie tried to hold it down a bit :scared:
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That didn't work so Nath had to act as ballast: -
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The rollers where literally smoking by the end of the session :rolleye:
The outcome of comparing the cars back to back wasn't a surprise in that the DSG box on mine forcing the change was limiting the peak BHP over the manual on Greenouse's.
But overlaying the graph's on the plasma above the Mah Hah LPS3000 4WD Rollers they use showed the curves where very similar but with a lot more top end on the manual and a slightly better peak torque from the DSG.
They also completed some checks on the fueling and ignition timing and found everything to be running well on both cars.
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So some very big BHP numbers seen from Greenouse's, which did surprise them but as he had previous seen 324BHP on a Dyno Dynamics rollers at Weston Motorsport we are overly surprised to see more on these roller.
Mine was a little down on the BHP over the last run I had there just before Xmas but my car hadn't been used properly for two weeks before this so I wasn't too concerned.
But like all things these are just lottery numbers and I believe I can speak for both of us when saying we are both very happy with the way our cars perform, and are looking forward to the Santa Pod shootout :driver:
They also tried out a new updated version of the revised 1st and 2nd Gear throttle response map on Greenouse's car but where not happy with the results so will be doing some more work on this before offering this on general release. This is in response to customer feedback about the current version being abit of a handful in 1st and 2nd gears. I may be going back to help with this is in near future
So a big thanks to Jamie and Dave @ Superchips for taking time to complete the power runs and to explaining all of the dyno output to us. :happy2:
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Nice write up mate, stupendous figures :surprised: :laugh:
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Good write-up Steve!
339hp is pretttty good!
Nathan - how is it handling in the recent weather? Lots of wheel hopping and spinning? Mine is going crazy, so I hate to think what your's is like! :grin: :grin:
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Really good read :happy2: and amazed at greenouse's 339bhp :drool:
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I'm pretty blown away my Nousey's 339bhp. Wonder whether my manual ED30 could reach it?
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great read steve, thoroughly enjoyed it!
And you know why Nath's was giving more dont you?
its black! ;)
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great read steve, thoroughly enjoyed it!
And you know why Nath's was giving more dont you?
its black! ;)
I thought it was feckin filthy! Tut tut Mr Greenouse! :signLOL:
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nice write up some good reading
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Good write-up Steve!
339hp is pretttty good!
Nathan - how is it handling in the recent weather? Lots of wheel hopping and spinning? Mine is going crazy, so I hate to think what your's is like! :grin: :grin:
Not really Chris if Im honest mate, it wasn't great with the other wheels on but now Iv'e put the Huff's back on with brand new tyres it's ALOT better! :wink:
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Good write-up Steve!
339hp is pretttty good!
Nathan - how is it handling in the recent weather? Lots of wheel hopping and spinning? Mine is going crazy, so I hate to think what your's is like! :grin: :grin:
Not really Chris if Im honest mate, it wasn't great with the other wheels on but now Iv'e put the Huff's back on with brand new tyres it's ALOT better! :wink:
Oh! :chicken: :chicken:
Maybe your map is more progressive with the boost than mine. That sounds really good and usable in this weather! At the pod meet, can you take me for a quick spin? (obviously weather/time etc permitting) :smiley: :smiley:
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Good write-up Steve!
339hp is pretttty good!
Nathan - how is it handling in the recent weather? Lots of wheel hopping and spinning? Mine is going crazy, so I hate to think what your's is like! :grin: :grin:
Not really Chris if Im honest mate, it wasn't great with the other wheels on but now Iv'e put the Huff's back on with brand new tyres it's ALOT better! :wink:
Oh! :chicken: :chicken:
Maybe your map is more progressive with the boost than mine. That sounds really good and usable in this weather! At the pod meet, can you take me for a quick spin? (obviously weather/time etc permitting) :smiley: :smiley:
No problemo dude :happy2:
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Muchos gracias! :jumpmove:
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Great writeup Steve :happy2: pics / vids and dyno plots what more could we want :drinking:
reckon if yours was locked out in gear (any reason why they didnt?) it would get close to Greenys with a few more rpm :evilgrin:
Greenouse thats the first time EVER I have seen your car dirty :surprised:
Like the idea of reduced hp in first 3 gears option :party:
i suspect Mr Mc will be along in a bit to 'discuss' your figures :grin: , reckon we def need another RR day soon :jumping: (clutches permitting......)
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Great writeup Steve :happy2: pics / vids and dyno plots what more could we want :drinking:
reckon if yours was locked out in gear (any reason why they didnt?) it would get close to Greenys with a few more rpm :evilgrin:
Greenouse thats the first time EVER I have seen your car dirty :surprised:
Like the idea of reduced hp in first 3 gears option :party:
i suspect Mr Mc will be along in a bit to 'discuss' your figures :grin: , reckon we def need another RR day soon :jumping: (clutches permitting......)
And the last! :wink:
Bring on the RR day, that was one of the reasons we were there Friday so we should have something sorted for later in the year. Buckingham good for you John_o?
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Great writeup Steve :happy2: pics / vids and dyno plots what more could we want :drinking:
reckon if yours was locked out in gear (any reason why they didnt?) it would get close to Greenys with a few more rpm :evilgrin:
Greenouse thats the first time EVER I have seen your car dirty :surprised:
Like the idea of reduced hp in first 3 gears option :party:
i suspect Mr Mc will be along in a bit to 'discuss' your figures :grin: , reckon we def need another RR day soon :jumping: (clutches permitting......)
this clutch thing is all my fault :rolleye:
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Great writeup Steve :happy2: pics / vids and dyno plots what more could we want :drinking:
reckon if yours was locked out in gear (any reason why they didnt?) it would get close to Greenys with a few more rpm :evilgrin:
Greenouse thats the first time EVER I have seen your car dirty :surprised:
Like the idea of reduced hp in first 3 gears option :party:
i suspect Mr Mc will be along in a bit to 'discuss' your figures :grin: , reckon we def need another RR day soon :jumping: (clutches permitting......)
Cheers John_o. :happy2:
From what I understand, their test gear for the dyno is 5th so the DSG box will still change even in manual mode before it runs out of steam/produces peak power, also they also showed me where on the dyno graph you can see where the car drops the power slightly before the gear change ready to disengage the clutch if also affects the peak output.
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have car, will travel to any rr day :happy2:
clutch thing pah! its keeping me up at night now arghhhh :sad:
mmm interesting 5th gear runs, I thought in locked mode it wouldnt change gear my mistake!
Read some interesting things on golfmkv about this modulation of the DSG clutch mech.
one poster stated the box can handle 650Nm when modded clamping pressures and the OE power reduction are changed :jumping: its just the start. wonder when DSG software mods will start happening this side of the pond ...
top post :happy2:
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Great read guys...
Seems Greenouse has a it of a animal on his hands there.. :evilgrin: Going to be some interesting results come 1st Feb.. :wink:
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All interesting stuff, well been shifting at 6500rpm for last few days and no ECU lights since so hmmm ... haven't changed the maps over yet. Bit concerned now regarding the clutch issue discussed elsewhere here.
Regards,
Gareth
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Yes nice power there Greenouse, informative and interesting topic - especially the pics and vids. Interesting about what people say about 1st and 2nd gears, don't have any issues in these gears. In fact 2nd is quite strange as full boost doesn't seem to arrive until at least 5000rpm which makes the gear a bit redundant and harsh if anything would prefer a second gear map akin to the stock and then 3rd - 6th as they are as now. When you said that they were not happy with the new map they tested can you elaborate on this - Why ? What did they change ? Effects ? etc.
Regards,
Gareth
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Great read! (although I'm not a neddy numbers chaser)
Aren't you two guys up against each other at The Pod?
DSG s/w mods will be interesting.
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still wont beat my 75bhp beast at the pod
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have car, will travel to any rr day :happy2:
clutch thing pah! its keeping me up at night now arghhhh :sad:
mmm interesting 5th gear runs, I thought in locked mode it wouldnt change gear my mistake!
Read some interesting things on golfmkv about this modulation of the DSG clutch mech.
one poster stated the box can handle 650Nm when modded clamping pressures and the OE power reduction are changed :jumping: its just the start. wonder when DSG software mods will start happening this side of the pond ...
top post :happy2:
I was surprised too but stood and watched/heard it for myself because they then have to change it down back to 5th straight after the forced change up to let the rollout cycle finish so the dyno can calculate the drivetrain loss, the other thing is even in manual/locked mode it can still kick down as well if you push to the end of the pedal too hard.
It was exactly the same at JKM on their DD rollers :happy2:
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Looks like an epic day, good to see the customer service there is still as excellent as ever. A great bunch up there in Buckingham. :happy2:
I may be tempted back there one day, but I'll get the Cooper S & Landy 130 sorted first. Resding stuff like this really doesn't help me keep my wallet in my pocket though...... :driver:
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Now that is what I call a day out :happy2:
Interesting about the difference between the two cars and most noteworthy is the fact that the DSG gears up before the peak power is reached. The DSG remap that has recently been launched in the USA would be a welcome modification over here in the UK if that was the case
Increased clamping
Increased limiter to 7k+ rpm
fixed gears in manual mode
60% faster gearchanges
What is not to like? (apart from the possible price :laugh:)
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How long has this been available John? Any reported 'issues' so far?
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I spotted it late last year. I'll see if I can find the thread and post a link. :happy2:
I'll start a new thread too.
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Does "fixed gears in Manual mode" mean that she won't shift automatically when near the red zone?
I find S-mode quite useful sometimes exactly because it does shift automatically. Unless I've misunderstood, this could be a backward step!
As for 60% faster shifts, it's not exactly slow as it is , is it.
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A very good read :wink: with sum very good bhp figures :happy2:
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good write up steve :happy2:
greenouse's figures are awesome as ever, id love to hear TT's thoughts on them :rolleye: but i think he has done another dissapearing act for another 6 months :grin:
would probs make a RR day there, bloody long way away though :scared:
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^^^^ Jamie's words at SC when he saw the figures for the third time, ' it is what it is'
I'd love to have T_T back but doesn't look as though it's happening in the near future?
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Steve it is possible to stop the DSG changing down on kick down.. Just keep the up shift paddle pressed down when accelerating and it wont do it mate.. :wink:
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Steve it is possible to stop the DSG changing down on kick down.. Just keep the up shift paddle pressed down when accelerating and it wont do it mate.. :wink:
Cheers Ben, I wasn't aware of that :happy2:
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Well I have managed to replicate this. It did require a sustained 'hoofing' through the gears in D. The engine light then flashed for a period of time then stopped. I can't say for sure if this is exactly the same problem however I will be scanning the fault codes as soon as I get home and then a call to Superchips.
As said earlier it sounds as if they have pushed things a bit too far and personally speaking this was not what I wanted when going for Bluefin.
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Sounds about right - mine usually happens after as you put it a prolonged hoofing ! and I mean WOT in 2nd, 3rd and then up to 4th. Please post back your DTC's and what superchips tell you - they have prepared a revised map for me that drops power off at the top a little - don't feel that that is a fix. I also miss the 2nd gear onslaught of the standard ED30 map !
Regards,
Gareth
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Fault codes as requested. I will speak to SC tomorrow.
Wednesday,21,January,2009,18:02:38:57524
VCDS Version: Beta 812.1
Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 115 T
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Software Coding: 040300031C070160
Work Shop Code: WSC 66565
2 Faults Found:
000768 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 18028 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 13:07:29
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 6713 /min
Load: 100.0 %
Speed: XX.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 26.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
000771 - Cylinder 3: Misfire Detected
P0303 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 18028 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 13:07:29
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 6713 /min
Load: 100.0 %
Speed: XX.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 26.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
Readiness: 0000 0000
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I'm sure these are the same codes some lads with Revo have got/had
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I spoke to them this morning and probably got the same response as Gareth.
Anyway I have downloaded the new map and I will be trying it out at lunchtime.
I am going to try and do some logs before I swap and after if the weather holds out.
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I spoke to them this morning and probably got the same response as Gareth.
Anyway I have downloaded the new map and I will be trying it out at lunchtime.
I am going to try and do some logs before I swap and after if the weather holds out.
so the new map cuts the power a little at the top end ?
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so the new map cuts the power a little at the top end ?
Thats what the guy I spoke to said and to be honest I would prefer that.
As soon as I get the opportunity I will generate some logs and post them up. :smiley:
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RPM: 6713 /min :laugh:
whats the limiter? 6800? good to see you are 'using' your car :happy2:
Keep us informed, Im interested to see what they say theyve done , good luck
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RPM: 6713 /min :laugh:
whats the limiter? 6800? good to see you are 'using' your car :happy2:
Keep us informed, Im interested to see what they say theyve done , good luck
:ashamed: My foot slipped. :innocent:
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RPM: 6713 /min :laugh:
whats the limiter? 6800? good to see you are 'using' your car :happy2:
Keep us informed, Im interested to see what they say theyve done , good luck
:ashamed: My foot slipped. :innocent:
Yes exactly the same DTC'a as mine - right before limiter, and yes the ED30 is a car to be "used". I haven't downloaded the revised map yet - could you please report back whether you noticed any difference in the map. I haven't downloaded yet as I'm a little concerned it'll change the map and thus the "car" I have now got used to. Like I have said before - I feel that this isn't really a resolution to the issue and is a bit of a quick fix. Anyway please report back - it is interesting that this issue seems now to be occuring with the DSG map (mine's a manual).
Regards,
Gareth
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RPM: 6713 /min :laugh:
whats the limiter? 6800? good to see you are 'using' your car :happy2:
Keep us informed, Im interested to see what they say theyve done , good luck
:ashamed: My foot slipped. :innocent:
Yes exactly the same DTC'a as mine - right before limiter, and yes the ED30 is a car to be "used". I haven't downloaded the revised map yet - could you please report back whether you noticed any difference in the map. I haven't downloaded yet as I'm a little concerned it'll change the map and thus the "car" I have now got used to. Like I have said before - I feel that this isn't really a resolution to the issue and is a bit of a quick fix. Anyway please report back - it is interesting that this issue seems now to be occuring with the DSG map (mine's a manual).
Regards,
Gareth
the manual map is the same as the DSG map
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so the new map cuts the power a little at the top end ?
Thats what the guy I spoke to said and to be honest I would prefer that.
As soon as I get the opportunity I will generate some logs and post them up. :smiley:
Please keep me updated am very keen to see the differenes,
Regards,
Gareth
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I updated the map on the car today. My initial impressions are that not much has changed bottom and mid-range.
Didn't really have much of an opportunity to test the top end but it still felt good and strong when I did.
I will try over the coming days and see how it is.
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Okay, only just registered but I'll be cheeky and post up my first query already...
I'm interested to know the real-world performance improvements that the Superchips remap for the Edition 30 brings... does anyone have any figures or know where they might be available: 0-60; 0-100; 30-50; 50-70 etc.?
Can't seem to find any specifics beyond the power and torque figures.
Thanks,
Shaun
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Welcome Shaun :happy2:
You'll get some specific answers on Monday as there are a number of us attending the RWYB day at Santa Pod on Sunday.
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Excellent. I look forward to some genuine 'real world' figures then!!
Have a great day.
Cheers.
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real world figures aside the car feels so much quicker, you wouldnt be disappointed :evilgrin:
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I would have to agree. :wink:
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Thanks for the comments guys... this seems to be the general opinion and based on that I have in fact placed an order via JKM in Portsmouth. Unfortunately the handsets are unavailable at present as Superchips have had a run on them but they are expecting a delivery next week and as I have placed my order they'll honour the 20% discount that's on offer until the end of the month.
It's just that I like to quantify these things and it seems odd that these figures don't seem to be available anywhere?!
Can't wait to make the upgrade, though! :party:
Cheers,
Shaull
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I can vouch for the fact that Superchips are all out of GTI handsets as Jamie showed us the empty box when we were there last week! :driver:
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Any further updates Hedge ? It's hapened again with me - haven't switched to new map yet. Am still waiting to see what you think - bit cheeky I know :evilgrin:
Regards,
Gareth
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Thanks for the comments guys... this seems to be the general opinion and based on that I have in fact placed an order via JKM in Portsmouth. Unfortunately the handsets are unavailable at present as Superchips have had a run on them but they are expecting a delivery next week and as I have placed my order they'll honour the 20% discount that's on offer until the end of the month.
It's just that I like to quantify these things and it seems odd that these figures don't seem to be available anywhere?!
Can't wait to make the upgrade, though! :party:
Cheers,
Shaull
TBH I haven't seen any of the tuners quote an increase in performance based on 0-60 times or top speed increases, but these are fairly meaning less (to me anyway) in the real world where you drive your drive most days. This Sunday will be a bit different though :driver:
The remap does more than just increase performance to me it make the car overall more drivable :happy2:
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Ok not superchips but power v similar so gives you an idea :happy2:
std GTI is 200ps not an ED30
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hi guys as title says im looking to get myself a bluefin next weekend so was just wondering if anyone has a review of it?!
mitch
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what do you want to know ?, car is allot quicker, still smooth and fuel is unaffected imo , i dont regret mine :happy2:
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well any problems ect? mpg? what did you have to upgrade once you had done this?
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What year is your car Mitch?
Normally people replace the diverter valve when remapping - as the OEM part is prone to failure when remapped. If your car is newer then you may be able to get away without replacing it because VW slightly changed the design.
Quite a few people on here have Bluefin, so they should be around soon to help you out. Do a little search, there have been a few topics on here discussing bluefin, and some tiny problems that people have had - although I think thats more to do with the Edition 30, as opposed to a GTI.
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well any problems ect? mpg? what did you have to upgrade once you had done this?
actually, i have a Edition 30, whats yours ?
ps, my mpg is fine, and no issues here
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mines a 05 bud so im guesing being one of the first it will need replacing? i may just buy the forge one when i get my bluefin just to be on the safe side, mine is a normal GTI
mitch
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Ahh, not fair me doing a comparison then
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Yeah a Forge one would do fine, or you could buy the latest revision from VW, which is a 'g' (sorry don't know the part number), which so far seems to be ok.
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go with the forge one, its pritty hard to fit yourself, (not hard sorry................. stupidly awkward!!!) :smiley:
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Admittedly on an Edition 30 .... but I am very happy with my Bluefin remap - and no problems to date at all. No real difference in mpg, just more power and driveability ..... and being able to turn back to completely standard if I want is a real bonus. Easy. to use and good backup from Superchips customer service in answering my stupid questions :laugh:
Search and you can see comments from me previously - albeit, as I say, it's for an Edition 30.
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You will love it mate. I have a 56 plate gti and its off to the stealers tomorrow so the bluefin is off now as its of for a sirvce. They told me there is going to be a update done to the car when its in. Mpg is the same and the drive is a smile and a half. You will see alot of differnce in all gears :happy2:
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Excellent forum guys. Just found it. :happy2:
Had Bluefin on my DSG GTI for two years now.
Absolutely no problems, excellent support from Superchips and still running the factory DV. Car is early 2005.
Find I am hardly ever near the redline as there is so much torque, you can just shortshift gears and leave most things behind.
Economy under normal driving much the same, under spirited driving...well who cares :evilgrin:
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I've had Revo on all my old cars and was all prepared for having it again, but this new car came with a Bluefin and I decided to keep it for a while to see what I thought of it - it's excellent and I have absolutely no desire to swap it.
Maybe if I was interested in messing around with all the custom settings on Revo, I might sway to that side, but for a common or garden stage one there's nothing in it.
Nice linear power for the DSG, with the torque coming in a bit later than on other maps, which personally I prefer.. but it pulls like a train, puts out 245/280 bhp/lbft and no difference in fuel economy.
Fantastic customer service, constant program to revise and impove the maps (all done online) and does what it says on the tin.
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^^thats interesting to hear :happy2:
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Revo & Superchips are both excellent, I rate GIAC too.
My 'man who does' is a Revo dealer and he's driven my car a lot - says it's different, in that Revo has a big lump of early torque compared to my map.. but it's no better or worse, just different. He certainly didn't recommend swapping it (how many people taking your money would say that?)
You can of course ask both companies to tailor a map to your needs, Revo altered the map for my 150PD to drop the torque and protect my clutch just by simply asking. Superchips have been working very closely with people on here to tweak theirs, so it isn't a difficult process. Speak to them all and get what suits you best.
So long as you go somewhere decent, all stage 1's are equal if a little different IMO. Just avoid the "lessers" - you get what you pay for.
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There is a review on their web site VW Driver Bluefin (http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20Feb07%20Golf%20GTI%20bluefin.PDF) but maybe it is more personal reviews you want to hear
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^thats quite an old review though (and an edition 30 one), i know the edition 30 map has been revised at least twice since that review
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Yes the review is Feb 2007 but it is for the standard GTI not the ED30.
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I got my last revision in October and that was a big difference from the previous one. I'm pretty sure there's another waiting for me to do too... but I'll get around to it when I get my downpipe and go Stage2.
I don't recall seeing anywhere that Superchips charge for upgrading you from stage 1 to 2/2+, is that right?
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well any problems ect? mpg? what did you have to upgrade once you had done this?
God, now thats a question lol
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Yes the review is Feb 2007 but it is for the standard GTI not the ED30.
LOL, not the one i read :wink:
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question from me is, why are you considering bluefin over what ever other options are there
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question from me is, why are you considering bluefin over what ever other options are there
the reason most people do it are, cheap, good customer service, handest applied (meaning it can be removed and reapplied at will, and you can do it at home yourself, no need to visit an agent) , you also get the upgrades free
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thanks
what's the definition of cheap?
i would have thought a diagnostic before a remap should be essential
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thanks
what's the definition of cheap?
i would have thought a diagnostic before a remap should be essential
they were doing them for £380 not so long ago , never tried it on the ed30 but with bluefin you can read DTC's on some cars, if you want it checked over Superchips can do this for you too (but you need to go in to them)
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not read all 10 pages, but 300bhp on the front wheels!
but wow some serious power increase for the ed30's
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thanks again
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Yes true, read this for some further "issues" ...
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1338.new;topicseen#new
Continuation of my woe's also !!!
Regards,
Gareth
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Another plus point is if you sell the car, you can pay a nominal fee to have the handset recoded and sell it on to someone else.
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Hi just spoke to a superchips dealer andthey told me they have units in stock, I asked do they have for my car ( mk5 golf gti) and theysaid it's not specific they are programmed universal? I'm sure this is wrong but I'm just checking with u lit maybe there is two types?
Mitch
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the handset is just a handset, the program on it is car specific, its the same handset i had on my Ford
ps, who is the dealer
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It is a vw dealer near me that is a stockist and they said they have stock, so I asked is there one for mine and they said it's for a turbo vw car universal? Itdoesnt sound right to me? Is there sumthing to look for to see if it will work? Or if it's for a specific model?
Mitch
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Not going to JKM Mitch?
Doesn't sound right that the software is universal for all turbo vw cars..., but as 182blue says the handset itself is universal with a custom program to that particular variant, i.e. 2.0TFSI, 1.6FSI, 1.4TSI.
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well I rang jim and they are strugerlin to get stock in! Well I'm unsure wat to do I may ring bck n the morning and see what's what with it!
Mitch
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when you get the bluefin you attach it to the car, then it reads details from the car (nothing is added to the car), you then need to connect the handset to your pc and this sends info to superchips, they then send you the correct file to the handset after checking your details, you then reconnect it to the car and new file is applied to the car, your VW dealer should know what they are doing, dont panic :happy2:
ps, how much is the dealer doing them for
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Ah that's a relief I shal go take a ganders tomoro then, they are doing them for 449 jkm are doing them for 430 but every1 seems to be struggling with stock!
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Good luck mate, hope it goes well for you!! You will absolutely love it after the remap, its like driving a completely different car!
Taking mine out tonight round the area to see if it runs without any problems, so maybe you will spot me again!! :scared: :scared:
Let us know what you think of the map once you've put it on! :smiley: :smiley:
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Ah that's a relief I shal go take a ganders tomoro then, they are doing them for 449 jkm are doing them for 430 but every1 seems to be struggling with stock!
have you tried superchips direct ?
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think superchips are charging 430 on website, who is your vw dealer mitchgti?
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think superchips are charging 430 on website, who is your vw dealer mitchgti?
you can get 10% discount if your members of certain sites too :happy2:
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i'm booked in at hq next thursday 182, for the scirocco :happy2:
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I gave superchips but they were closed I'm guna give them a bell again tomoro see what they say if not ole get it programmed at the dealer tomoz, the dealer is ailsbury? Way! Spelling lol I'm working tonight chris so maybe over the weekend catch up?
Mitch
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Sounds good man! :happy2:
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mitchgti you mean kieth's in aylesbury, was contemplating using them for my servicing as localish they seemed mod friendly
http://www.keithgarages.co.uk/
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The handsets are built by SC specific to the car, as when I was down there with SteveP a few weeks back Jamie showed us the empty box where the GTI handsets normally live. Also on my box it states the make model and gearbox type :happy2:
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So you reckon this hand set they have won't work with mine then? I'm not sure what to do now, im hoping I can get hold of sc themself tomoro!
Mitch
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So you reckon this hand set they have won't work with mine then? I'm not sure what to do now, im hoping I can get hold of sc themself tomoro!
Mitch
the vw dealer will only have vw units, dont worry, if it doesnt work they will take it back, mine has nothing about the car wrote on it, and that came from superchips
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So you reckon this hand set they have won't work with mine then? I'm not sure what to do now, im hoping I can get hold of sc themself tomoro!
Mitch
Speak to SC tomorrow and they'll put you right :happy2:
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abolutley love it! its geting quicker the more i drive it the ecu is adjusting ect still! it was abit of fart arsing about at first but well worth it now for the exhaust! and coil's and..... the list goes on lol....
mitch
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congrats, you get it from aylesbury in the end? :happy2:
the scirocco is booked in at superchips hq on thursday and i can't wait :)
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i went to jkm down in pompy matey! i was going to head to superchips today but jkm had them in stock so just shot down there!
mitch
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Nice one Mitch :happy2:
I think it's a bit of a no-brainer as the flexibility is superb and power-cost is amazing! :jumpmove:
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Nice one, glad you are enjoying it. :happy2:
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Essential mod for any GTI. You won't be able to stop now. Its a long slide down the slope :grin:
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Just had the car dyno'd up at SuperChips.
326.8bhp @ 6585rpm
427.7nm Torque @ 3200rpm
It's performing well and I'm quite pleased with the figures... especially as the roads are drying out and the traction is good.
Graphs to follow.
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great news matey! ;)
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nice results there mate
very similar to mine on regal's dyno i got 324bhp and 421.6nm with st 2 bluefin
taking mine to superchips in next week or so after the pump is fitted for them to do some tweaking hopefully st2+
any charge incurred on your trip to them? good service?
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Great numbers. :happy2:
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I'm due a trip to superchips to see if they can finally sort my remap out ...
Regards,
Gareth
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£30 :)
Jamie sorted it for me.
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Good stuff! :jumpmove:
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what map do you have? i thought you were going to the DD day at JKM next month? :smiley:
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I am :)
But wanted to check it now, and I can then compare the figures from different RR.
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and what map?
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Bluefin Stage 2.
Full Milltek Non Resonated
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Bluefin Stage 2.
Full Milltek Non Resonated
Nice figures. Any intake?
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Are you manual or DSG Lee?
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Vey impressive figures :rolleye:
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Manual.
No intake.... yet...
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Manual.
No intake.... yet...
Got some way to go to catch my SC figures then :P :signLOL:
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What've you got then 'nouse?
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What've you got then 'nouse?
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I am :)
But wanted to check it now, and I can then compare the figures from different RR.
....Good idea :happy2: Info like that is always useful.
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I will be very interested to see the difference in results between the dyno's :happy2:
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mines on a dd rollers next week so will see if gets more than that :laugh:
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I will be very interested to see the difference in results between the dyno's :happy2:
So will I.. Especially as JKM's rollers love BF'd cars so much.. :grin:
Nice figures though mate.. :happy2:
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Especially as JKM's rollers love BF'd cars so much.. :grin:
....What's "BF'd" please?
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Especially as JKM's rollers love BF'd cars so much.. :grin:
....What's "BF'd" please?
bluefin aka superchips
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ilyun is down at jkm today - be very keen to see what stage 2+ revo puts down on there dyno
will have to wait and see
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Traction must be the next mod then lee?? lsd next? or give it 6 months before a new clutch :wink:
All that power needs control as a certain Redrobin would say :signLOL: :wink:
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I really need a Milltek .... :sad:
Not that mine is exactly slow but those are great figures :happy2:
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ilyun is down at jkm today - be very keen to see what stage 2+ revo puts down on there dyno
will have to wait and see
Ah cool! What is he having done? Just a power graph etc?
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Intersting that I have a higher torque figure? yet down 13bhp.
What else do you have on your car 'nouse? Intake? Fuel Pump?
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Intersting that I have a higher torque figure? yet down 13bhp.
What else do you have on your car 'nouse? Intake? Fuel Pump?
He has a carbonio and K&N Panel filter.
Like Greenouse you have more top end BHP (I'm DSG) but less torque than mine (also TBE Milltek and Carbonio with ITG panel)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FStevep_010%2FSuperchips%2Fgraph2.jpg&hash=019f728e56ca2736b8e62d61c6540ac374c862dd)
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Better get a panel filter then :signLOL:
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^^^ Yep, or even better get a good intake, that's next on my list :happy2:
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A DSG remap will sort out the power dicrepancy between a DSG and a manual :innocent: :wink:
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A DSG remap will sort out the power dicrepancy between a DSG and a manual :innocent: :wink:
arrhhh the tempation devil is calling. :scared:
laa laa laa I'm not listening :P :P :P
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A DSG remap will sort out the power dicrepancy between a DSG and a manual :innocent: :wink:
arrhhh the tempation devil is calling. :scared:
laa laa laa I'm not listening :P :P :P
haha! ye right, you want it steve! ha
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Sorry you couldn't hear Steve. I said.....
A DSG remap will sort out the power dicrepancy between a DSG and a manual :jumping: :jumping:
Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
Because the DSG box in standard form forces the gear change before the engine has produced peak power :happy2:
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
Because the DSG box in standard form forces the gear change before the engine has produced peak power :happy2:
....Thanks :happy2:. Even if the DSG box is being driven in Manual mode?
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^^^ Yep it still forces the change up :smiley:
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
Because the DSG box in standard form forces the gear change before the engine has produced peak power :happy2:
On a K04 and bigger yeah, the K03 wouldn't benefit obviously, but the benefit would come from having the full control over the gearchange..
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
Because the DSG box in standard form forces the gear change before the engine has produced peak power :happy2:
....Thanks :happy2:. Even if the DSG box is being driven in Manual mode?
The K04 in the ED30 will make power up to around 6800-6900rpm with a HPFP and extra breathing. The clutches start to prepare for disengagement and change in stock mode at around 6200 and so power after that is prevented up to the 6400 gear-up point. Hence the 10bhp extra with a DSG remap - which I would think is quite a conservative estimate. :smiley:
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^^^ Yep it still forces the change up :smiley:
....Hmm, I tend to change gear before she gets into the red zone and certainly before a gearshift is done without my intended action, so I haven't noticed this.
And thanks for the rpm info, Hurdy :happy2:
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Reckon on around 10bhp extra :happy2:
....How does a DSG remap gain 10 bhp?
Because the DSG box in standard form forces the gear change before the engine has produced peak power :happy2:
On a K04 and bigger yeah, the K03 wouldn't benefit obviously, but the benefit would come from having the full control over the gearchange..
What he said.. You can see on my RR graphs that the power line is still rising when the up shift spoils things.. Jonny's will see an even bigger benefit with it being modded for top end power..
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^^^^
Sorry for the possibly 'girlie' question displaying my ignorance on such subjects, but does using more of the available peak power reduce the longevity of the engine (assuming sensible, but not slow, driving and proper maintenance)?
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Well my last three cars have all done around 100k each and have NEVER had engine trouble once... Touch wood. :wink: Ed30 is getting close to 30k without one single warranty claim also..
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As promised...
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What's the dip all about @ 5500rpm mate? :confused:
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Fuel Pump they said, it's common that the fuel pump cant push enough, so the engine steps it back and then when it can provide enough fuel it steps it up again.
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Have been running the SC Bluefin for a few hundred miles now, so thought I'd share my thoughts.
I ordered my handset from JKM just as SC ran out of them so had to wait a little while for JKM to get their delivery. During this time there seemed to be a lot posts on this and other forums suggesting that people were experiencing problems so I started to worry a bit.
Anyway I did the upload at pretty much the same time as fitting the ITG foam panel filter. (By the way there have been opinions for and against this mod on the forum too - I've been in touch with ITG regarding the 'oil' on their filters in particular and their comments are now in my post on this [see 'Panel filter fitment - Edition30]. Very easy to do the upload (the remap is simpler than fitting the filter!).
Some people have mentioned the remap taking a while to 'settle down', with rough running for the first few days. I haven't experienced this at all... quite the opposite in fact; the car feels smoother to me right the way through the rev range in all gears. Even gear shifts (mine's a manual) feel more precise, bizarrely! Two passengers have also independently said that they think the car feels smoother. Overall it is just more 'driveable'.
The transformation is absolutely incredible! The car just feels more eager the whole time once you get above about 2,700rpm and if you keep it planted she just flies to the red line. Below that though and she's happy to trickle around town just as before.
Equally amazing though is the fuel economy. I've driven from Southampton to Bristol this afternoon and although I certainly didn't cane it (that's not my driving style) I did use the extra performance to good advantage on several occasions and when I got home the trip computer was telling me I'd averaged 37 (yes THIRTY SEVEN) mpg!!! I know the computer's not accurate (mine is optimistic by about 5%). On previous identical trips, though, I've returned about 31 at best.
If anyone's thinking about the Bluefin remap for an Ed30 I can't recommend it highly enough.
Shaun
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nice to see the graph :happy2:
be surprised they say its fuel issues at 5.5k rpm? by then it should be fine high enough revolutions, its at lower rpm it may have issues from the info Ive seen?
plus Nathans graph has no such change.
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Glad your happy with it, i really would not swop my Bluefin for any other map now :happy2:
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Glad your happy with it, i really would not swop my Bluefin for any other map now :happy2:
:signIWS:
It's an excellent map .....
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so fuel pump needed then Lee, flat spot around 5500rpm, it seems the car now shows you your next mod needed mate :happy2: or brakes now so it stops you :smiley:
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Fuel Pump they said, it's common that the fuel pump cant push enough, so the engine steps it back and then when it can provide enough fuel it steps it up again.
....Except that a dip on the dyno plot doesn't always occur while driving. So it may not be an inadequacy at all. The real test is what happens while you are driving. So I'm told.
My comment refers to the GTI, not Ed30.
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Glad your happy with it, i really would not swop my Bluefin for any other map now :happy2:
x2 :happy2:
Mine has changed since it was first mapped and now seems to have settled. I've had to re-learn how to get the best out of the car now and when I do she is blisteringly quick.
Had a thumbs up from a biker on my way home on Friday who nearly came off trying to keep up with me :laugh: (up to the legal limit of course :wink:) :driver:
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Is it just me or is the gap between wheel hp and corrected (fly) hp a little on the large side?
I would have thought that WHP would have been around 300 :confused:
Still a very good fly figure though. :happy2:
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Bluefin you say?
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Dunno :confused:
We'll see what it does on JKMs Dyno Dynamics rollers on Saturday.
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236bhp at the wheels wtf???
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Dunno :confused:
We'll see what it does on JKMs Dyno Dynamics rollers on Saturday.
Gutted, im working nxt weekend, would loved to of seen everyone
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Dunno :confused:
We'll see what it does on JKMs Dyno Dynamics rollers on Saturday.
....I had a minor dip in mine last time at JKM and I think it was either Keith or Revo HQ who told me.
Will be interesting to see how my dip is too but I get absolutely no hiccups or cuts out on the road.
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stilll dont buy it ! Greenouses car puts out more power and has no dip ........
either that or the load etc for measuring are giving different plots...
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I asked Jamie whether the fuelling was reading OK as there was a doubt when I ran on DD rollers at Weston, and he said it was good :happy2:
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Where was the 70 degC air intake measurement taken from?
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That's the 'other' graph Superchips can print out - I have one of those as well as the more usual print out.
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236bhp at the wheels wtf???
Mine only put out 213 bhp and 216 bhp at the wheels with two runs on Superchips rollers yet that related to 299 bhp and 303 bhp at the flywheel by their calculations .....
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Look in the link below and you'll see my WHP to my BHP figures
Max power = WHP
Clutch power = BHP
No more than 25 between them.
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/rollingroad/graph/rr.mk4scn_011108/hurditch.jpg
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i think saturdays results will confirm, should get between 300- 320 stage 2 on JKM's rollers
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Intresting thread this :happy2: Here's a printout of mine when it was on the Rollers a few weeks ago runing the Giac map and on Map 1 still had Map 2 to switch on :happy2:
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Toast
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Interesting that the figures are so similar Toast.
Same dip around 5.5k rpm and very similar wheel power figures.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking too! I've been Told to do the Fuel pump next so Once the new wheels have been refurbed think that will follow :happy2:
Toast
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I would love Bluefin on my Ed30 and can buy a second hand handset that he has sent back to reset (is there anything else he needs to do?)
What I am worried about however is the effect on the clutch having read a few posts recently. I do a 40mile a day commute with a mix of motorway, a and b roads and don't want to quickly run into clutch issues.
Good review however and its nice to have another opinion
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Well pleased with mine.
Lower map for winter, mental map for hot summer days.
What more could you ask for. :grin:
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When you say lower map, do you mean the standard map of the lower superchips map?
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Anyone had this done with a DSG Edition 30?
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When you say lower map, do you mean the standard map of the lower superchips map?
Lower BHP map (around 270) instead of their normal 300 bhp :wink:
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When you say lower map, do you mean the standard map of the lower superchips map?
Lower BHP map (around 270) instead of their normal 300 bhp :wink:
Thanks. That would also leave it a bit easier on the clutch I presume which is my main worry. I have never used bluefin, does the handset hold both maps (plus the original one) and how long does it take to switch them over?
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It holds two maps, original & modified. You program from PC which modified map you want on bluefin.
Takes around 15-20 mins to program, just plug it into the diagnotic port located drivers side. :grin:
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Thanks. That means I can have my weekend map and my daily driver map.
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How do you get hold of both maps? you talk about the 300bhp and the 270 version?
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How do you get hold of both maps? you talk about the 300bhp and the 270 version?
If you ask them they can email it to you or load it onto their server for you to download ....
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New Question
I am looking at the various remap options, and I am attracted to the versatility of the Bluefin. One question, is anyone running the software with Vista 64 bit?
I was told it was not compatible.
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New Question
I am looking at the various remap options, and I am attracted to the versatility of the Bluefin. One question, is anyone running the software with Vista 64 bit?
I was told it was not compatible.
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Its not i am afraid, im running a quad 64 bit vista system and it doesnt work.
Use the Mrs XP laptop for the bluefin.
Strange really as vista been out for years and you think SC would be right up there with their technology in their line of work!
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New Question
I am looking at the various remap options, and I am attracted to the versatility of the Bluefin. One question, is anyone running the software with Vista 64 bit?
I was told it was not compatible.
:confused:
Its not i am afraid, im running a quad 64 bit vista system and its doesnt work.
Use the Mrs XP laptop for the bluefin.
Strange really as vista been out for years and you think SC would be right up there with their technology in their line of work!
Can't be hard to sort a driver out? Come on SC get a driver sorted!
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New Question
I am looking at the various remap options, and I am attracted to the versatility of the Bluefin. One question, is anyone running the software with Vista 64 bit?
I was told it was not compatible.
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Its not i am afraid, im running a quad 64 bit vista system and its doesnt work.
Use the Mrs XP laptop for the bluefin.
Strange really as vista been out for years and you think SC would be right up there with their technology in their line of work!
Can't be hard to sort a driver out? Come on SC get a driver sorted!
Another option maybe to install Virtual Machine on Vista which will allow you to install XP to 'The Virtual PC' and run it from within Vista! :happy2: I use this option for some old software I use at work which is not Vista friendly. Good luck either way :wink:
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I have heard that you, may be able to run it in compatibility mode (Win XP) dont want to try this, I would like to buy BF with SC driver sorted for vista.
:party: :confused:
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I know what you mean, why should you **ck around with up to date hardware/software to get a modern product to work! :fighting:
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^^^ Has anyone email SC to check the situation and reasons why they remain with only support for XP??
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It works on my 32 bit Vista Home Premium laptop. :confused:
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This is the start of a thread
Hi. I am fairly new to the site but it hasbeen a wealth of imformation in helping by my GTI and now hopefully to help me unleash its true potential. I am looking into a remap for standard manual GTI. The offer by JKM for £390 looks ridiculously tempting but i have a couple of concerns. The website states "Not for use on CAWB, CBFA or CCTA engine codes as per the YR 2008 TSI engine". How do i find out my engine code as i have an 08 GTI. Also i understand the bluefin completely rewrites the ecu everytime its uploaded or downloaded (put back to standard map for servicing). Would this have a detrimental effect over time with the map keep changing as in a pc when you copy over something on the hard drive the original file is never truely erased. Would i be better with the Revo where both maps are stored on ecu and can switch between the two. Your opinions are extremely sought after.
p.s. I didn't have any snags with my car until i started researching older posts, now familiar problems are starting to occur. Sometimes ignorance is bliss :innocent
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Look in the service schedule manual (1.1) it tells you the engine code on the label stuck inside the facing cover.
Failing that look on your V5 document. :smiley:
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I think your GTi should be a BWA engine. The Cxxx ones are the new TSi ones as used in the rocco etc.
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I have the same problem, it says on the website for a GTI 2006 onwards! Would it be okay on my 05?
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Mines on a 05 gti and it's fine!
Mitch
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Cheers for the help fellas. Any insights into whether keep changing the map with bluefin will have any longterm effects on the ecu?
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It's nothing to worry about. The solid state EEPROM on an ECU bares no resemblance to a hard drive, they work in different ways. When you over-write it, you are doing just that, nothing is left behind. Each memory cell is cleared before being written too, this is why Bluefin takes a while to upload as writing to the chip isn't the fastest process in the world.
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^^^ Has anyone email SC to check the situation and reasons why they remain with only support for XP??
It's very possible that it's beyond SC's control. They just develop the software, I would imagine the handset is third party delivery system that they have licensed.
Also, of all the people who order Bluefin how many do you think actually run a 64bit OS on their home computer?
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Hi, has anyone got the the original ED30 SC map power graph & the newer joint DSG/Manual power graph they can post?
Just been on to SC as both maps on my car appear to come in at 4000 rpm plus.
The newer map should bring in the torque from lower down, apparently.
Seem to remember someone else also having limited low down power? :scared:
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Your BHP was very high for a stage 1?
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stg1 with Milltek, full Milltek usually good for 10-15bhp so not far off the mark :happy2:
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^^^ Sorry, that was with Milltek on both Stage 1 and 2.
I will dig out the original stage 1 without Milltek later, that was 303bhp.
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^^^ Sorry, that was with Milltek on both Stage 1 and 2.
I will dig out the original stage 1 without Milltek later, that was 303bhp.
Which bits of the milltek did you need for the 1st map?
Did the characteristics change much?
Cheers :happy2:
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Stage2 is for cars with Milltek full exhaust system and either sports or de-cat, plus filter. We also have an Ed30 in tomorrow with this set up and an uprated pump with a view to going further with a Stage3…. Should be interesting J.
Email from Superchips this afternoon.
Any of you guys??? :grin:
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Is it possible to save this on your pc and switch between the two maps from time to time?? I have the 300bhp one at present
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Is it possible to save this on your pc and switch between the two maps from time to time?? I have the 300bhp one at present
yes it is
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How do you copy the remap from the handset to the PC, please?
Thanks,
Shaun
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How do you copy the remap from the handset to the PC, please?
Thanks,
Shaun
You cant, just import the file from your bluefin software and it re flashes the file on the bluefin with your original & new map.
The files come from superchips & the software imports them
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Hi, has anyone got the the original ED30 SC map power graph & the newer joint DSG/Manual power graph they can post?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1075.150
Just seen this .... think I posted this link somewhere else for you but not sure .... so thought I would post it again to be safe :smiley:
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When you plug the Bluefin in there is an options or similar coming up along with program Bluefin.
Would this give me fault codes etc or is it not used?
Many thanks :smiley:
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When you plug the Bluefin in there is an options or similar coming up along with program Bluefin.
Would this give me fault codes etc or is it not used?
Many thanks :smiley:
Put a low power map on the weekend & as the options came up on the handset thought I would enter it.
Came up do you want to read DPM or similiar so I said yes & it came back with no codes reported?
Does this make sense?
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BF or Revo, decision time!
On my last MK5 GTI (05 reg, manual) I ran Revo stage 1 (no other mods) for 3+ years and was very happy with it. Having recently bought an ED30 (08 reg, manual) I am now debating whether to get BF or Revo. I will not be doing any other performance mods to my car, so stage 1 is fine.
Given the difference in price - £390 for BF v £573 for Revo, I can't think of any reason for sticking with Revo - IMO they seem to be pricing themselves out of the market? Is it true that a BF can be reset by Superchips so it can be sold on, once I have sold the car? If so, that's another reason to buy the BF. Weighing it up, the BF seems to be winning.
One point I'm not sure about - when the car goes into the dealer for servicing (having previously returned the car to the stock programme) and they reflash the ecu, I know that the BF will re-insert the tuned programme, but what happens to the updated stock programme that the dealer has put in? Presumably if I re-insert the stock programme from the BF it will overwrite the dealer updated stock proramme, which is then lost?
Finally, am I missing something with Revo (no further mods and I don't want play with the settings)? If not, BF it is!
Thanks. TT.
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BF or Revo, decision time!
On my last MK5 GTI (05 reg, manual) I ran Revo stage 1 (no other mods) for 3+ years and was very happy with it. Having recently bought an ED30 (08 reg, manual) I am now debating whether to get BF or Revo. I will not be doing any other performance mods to my car, so stage 1 is fine.
Given the difference in price - £390 for BF v £573 for Revo, I can't think of any reason for sticking with Revo - IMO they seem to be pricing themselves out of the market? Is it true that a BF can be reset by Superchips so it can be sold on, once I have sold the car? If so, that's another reason to buy the BF. Weighing it up, the BF seems to be winning.
One point I'm not sure about - when the car goes into the dealer for servicing (having previously returned the car to the stock programme) and they reflash the ecu, I know that the BF will re-insert the tuned programme, but what happens to the updated stock programme that the dealer has put in? Presumably if I re-insert the stock programme from the BF it will overwrite the dealer updated stock proramme, which is then lost?
Finally, am I missing something with Revo (no further mods and I don't want play with the settings)? If not, BF it is!
Thanks. TT.
Bluefin all the way
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BF or Revo, decision time!
On my last MK5 GTI (05 reg, manual) I ran Revo stage 1 (no other mods) for 3+ years and was very happy with it. Having recently bought an ED30 (08 reg, manual) I am now debating whether to get BF or Revo. I will not be doing any other performance mods to my car, so stage 1 is fine.
Given the difference in price - £390 for BF v £573 for Revo, I can't think of any reason for sticking with Revo - IMO they seem to be pricing themselves out of the market? Is it true that a BF can be reset by Superchips so it can be sold on, once I have sold the car? If so, that's another reason to buy the BF. Weighing it up, the BF seems to be winning.
One point I'm not sure about - when the car goes into the dealer for servicing (having previously returned the car to the stock programme) and they reflash the ecu, I know that the BF will re-insert the tuned programme, but what happens to the updated stock programme that the dealer has put in? Presumably if I re-insert the stock programme from the BF it will overwrite the dealer updated stock proramme, which is then lost?
Finally, am I missing something with Revo (no further mods and I don't want play with the settings)? If not, BF it is!
Thanks. TT.
Trev, If the dealer does re-flash the ecu you can speak to SC and they will re-write your map for you FOC. You will need to perform the same operation you do when you recieve a new handset, i.e. send them the 'standard' ECU map! :happy2:
They really are a great company to deal with and I can't recommend them enough. HTH :drinking:
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Well ordered my BluFin yesterday around 3pm .. arrived today about 9am, very happy as the delivery was free aswell... i will post up again once the map is on etc :jumping: :jumping:
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Just a quickie.. last night about 8pm ish i uploaded my map to superchips.. within less than 3 minutes i got a text saying my map was ready. Does this sound normal?? Just thought it would take abit longer thats all
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It just means that they have seen your code before and have something off the shelf. :smiley:
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I'm looking forward to running at Superchips after I found this.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FGolfdynooutput.jpg&hash=27ac82a47801c50c8a66028ed3a3d0eb50a97f61)
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I'm looking forward to running at Superchips after I found this.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FGolfdynooutput.jpg&hash=27ac82a47801c50c8a66028ed3a3d0eb50a97f61)
My JKM graph... (326 @ S'Chips)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FGolf%2520GTi%2520RR%2520Day%2520March%252009%2FDyno%2520Charts%2FLAC.gif&hash=8d2e1948af5173d970883ec96999bf299e867c7d)
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I'm looking forward to running at Superchips after I found this.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FCar%2FGolf%2FGolfdynooutput.jpg&hash=27ac82a47801c50c8a66028ed3a3d0eb50a97f61)
This doesn't make sense to me, this was my stage 1 SC map which when logged was proved to have some issues with the timing and was holding back: -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FGolf%2520GTi%2520RR%2520Day%25202008%2FDyno%2520Charts%2FSWP.gif&hash=5542a6efdf464f4bc6e2dfd07d4e6d928aea775d)
This was with just ITG filter and no Milltek :confused:
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The dyno printout I found was with Milltek TBE and S3 cooler. :wink:
I understand it goes quite well.
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That be someone's grey one then :wink:
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Could be Steve. :laugh:
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Are those JKM graphs showing power at the wheels or is it an adjusted flywheel figure ??
I thought a standard stage 1 remapped ED30 was good for 300 ish BHP and 330+ lb/ft torque ??
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Superchips are claiming much more than they give. Today I did dyno runs with pirelli edition dsg golf. Firstly with stage 2 software however mine is with reduced turbo boost till ~1.3bar, due to fueling issue. After seeing the result(bluefin modas), I asked for another dyno run with stage 1 software(bluefin stage 1). The result I saw, was :fighting: Then I though maybe there is something wrong with my car, so I uploaded standart software and did a run. Numbers were like in catalogue (orig).
To add, we have two same cars. Both of them run bluefin, both of them run the same. We did couple of roll on runing. So for sure both cars are in good shape, as they perform identically. And they are pretty new, around 10months old, we received them in august,2008.
All runs were done in 6th gear. Any ideas ? Why I am having such small numbers?
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9545/dynobluefin.jpg
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Welcome to the forum :happy2:
I have a question for you.
Did you do the dyno runs straight after uploading each of the maps?
The reason I am asking is that it can take time for the ECU to adapt to the map and you will not see the best figures for a while after the car has been mapped. So swapping two or three times in a day will simply confuse the adaptation of the ECU.
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Thank you for your reply.
1st run was with stage2 program, that had been in the car for ~1000-2000km. The result was 277hp max.
Then I have uploaded stage 1 program, that I have been using for like 5months. Then we did a pull.
After that I have uploaded stock, also without adaption. However it did its job :D Also I have questioned that guy at dyno stand, he said that adaptio usually does not make a lot of difference.
Talking about adaptation in my practise difference after it is very small less than 10hp. (before this car I had golf gti 1.8t, audi a3 1.8t, bmw 330d all of them I have modded)
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One thing I have noticed is that you are quoting hp. Are you quoting power at the wheels or at the flywheel?
Superchips figures are based on flywheel figures.
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ÃŒt is flywheel.
With original program it has 235 hp after stage1 software only +15hp..
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Well Superchips are silent for two days. What can this mean?
Frankly speaking any kind of explanation would be appreciated. As many of you who have done dynos, all of them were done at SC. It is very hard to find any that were done elsewhere.
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^^^ You will find some more superchips dyno plots here - http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryRollingroad.htm
These are from a Dyno Dynamics Rolling Road. :happy2:
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The one that I did was with vtech inertial dynamometer.
Last year I was doing a run with dastec dynamometer (with brakes), then I have managed better numbers.
Dyno Dynamics is this dynamometer inertial or with brakes?
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Guys...if i want to return my bluefin back what should i do?
for me superships sucks....bad customer support bad product....everything about them suck
i regret every penny i spent on this bluefin sh*t
since i upgraded to stage 2 i had nothing but troubles and i'm trying to contact them again to give me an appropriate file, they are telling me to wait till Micheal Alvey comes from his vacation...what kind of companies is that??!!! i have never seen such a sh*tty customer support
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Superchips are claiming much more than they give. Today I did dyno runs with pirelli edition dsg golf. Firstly with stage 2 software however mine is with reduced turbo boost till ~1.3bar, due to fueling issue. After seeing the result(bluefin modas), I asked for another dyno run with stage 1 software(bluefin stage 1). The result I saw, was :fighting: Then I though maybe there is something wrong with my car, so I uploaded standart software and did a run. Numbers were like in catalogue (orig).
To add, we have two same cars. Both of them run bluefin, both of them run the same. We did couple of roll on runing. So for sure both cars are in good shape, as they perform identically. And they are pretty new, around 10months old, we received them in august,2008.
All runs were done in 6th gear. Any ideas ? Why I am having such small numbers?
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9545/dynobluefin.jpg
I was always under the impression that dyno runs were best done in 4th gear as it gave the best spread of power, that could be your problem. my bluefin stage 1 gave me 241bhp, 249Ibft on a well renowned rolling road, and i have seen other with similar results.
Also bluefin remaps require a small time period to bed in for the ecu to adapt completely.
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how many people have had stage 2 bluefin on a ko3 GTI. I cant seem to find any Dyno printouts of them :ashamed:. can someone provide me a link please to see what sort of output i can expect.
I have just purchased a de-cat exhaust for mine, and superchips have uploaded thier stage 2 DeCat specific file to my handset.
They think there will be no difference in output between the 200cell stage 2 map and the stage 2 DeCat map, but i cant see that as correct. surely with less restriction more power and torque will be available.
When i have the exhaust fitted i wil be sure to get a write up on here
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how many people have had stage 2 bluefin on a ko3 GTI. I cant seem to find any Dyno printouts of them :ashamed:. can someone provide me a link please to see what sort of output i can expect.
I have just purchased a de-cat exhaust for mine, and superchips have uploaded thier stage 2 DeCat specific file to my handset.
They think there will be no difference in output between the 200cell stage 2 map and the stage 2 DeCat map, but i cant see that as correct. surely with less restriction more power and torque will be available.
When i have the exhaust fitted i wil be sure to get a write up on here
that is the problem...they dont know what they are talking about
i have a recommendation for you...bring a vagcom because with bluefin stage 2 file, be prepared for problems and they wont be able to solve any
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that is the problem...they dont know what they are talking about
i have a recommendation for you...bring a vagcom because with bluefin stage 2 file, be prepared for problems and they wont be able to solve any
what experience has caused you to think this.
i would have thought they wouldnt get any issues as they provide all the maps for VWRacing(although they are prob custom) but still, the hardware is still the same.
According to SC the only difference between the stg 2 decat and the stg 2 200 Cell Cat maps is the code that stops CELs flashing on the dash.
They havent tried to release extra power from the use of the DeCat. However i think it will give a slight increase probably right at the top of rev range.
is yours the ed 30 or 200ps gti
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what experience has caused you to think this.
i would have thought they wouldnt get any issues as they provide all the maps for VWRacing(although they are prob custom) but still, the hardware is still the same.
According to SC the only difference between the stg 2 decat and the stg 2 200 Cell Cat maps is the code that stops CELs flashing on the dash.
They havent tried to release extra power from the use of the DeCat. However i think it will give a slight increase probably right at the top of rev range.
is yours the ed 30 or 200ps gti
i have the 200ps GTI. check the attached link, you will get to know the whole story
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82165 (http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82165)
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Well Superchips are silent for two days. What can this mean?
they are not answering any emails and i dont know whats going on with these ppl
not answering emails regarding files or complains or whatever....
please guys...anyone here who has a close contact to them, please let us know what to do
this is a SCAM
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I have been trading emails daily with them reference the decat remap. and they have been answering within a day each time. try ringing they cant get out of it then.
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I have been trading emails daily with them reference the decat remap. and they have been answering within a day each time. try ringing they cant get out of it then.
the problem mate is that i'm in Abu Dhabi, UAE
i bought it online from their website....and now they are ignoring my emails
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what octane fuel are you using out in the Abu dhabi?? Perhaps its not suited very well to the fuel over there??
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what octane fuel are you using out in the Abu dhabi?? Perhaps its not suited very well to the fuel over there??
98 octane and i told superships that from the beginning but they said it wont make a difference :sad1:
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IMO fuel type does make a difference. i run mine on shell Vpower racing 100, and when i run it on anything else it feels crap and unresponsive in comparison.
although i would have thought 98 ron fuel shouldnt cause an issue though specially as the superchips remaps arnt the most powerful available on the market
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I was always under the impression that dyno runs were best done in 4th gear as it gave the best spread of power, that could be your problem. my bluefin stage 1 gave me 241bhp, 249Ibft on a well renowned rolling road, and i have seen other with similar results.
Also bluefin remaps require a small time period to bed in for the ecu to adapt completely.
Believe me adaption will give you extra 5 ps, sometime you even might loose power. I have tested this also. Also standard was done withoud adaption, so if you would add 5-10ps to it. Then sc remap is giving you around what, +10 HP :laugh:
What golf are you runing? K03? K04? Mine is K04. Seeing 241 ps with k04 car is ridiculous :D
Problem is not the gear. Problem is the map, try vagcom datalogging and check for your self what boost their remap is specifying at high rpms.... It is very close to stock, that is why they do not have power over there.
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^^^ Yours is the first SC map that I have every heard of delivering that low output, on the leanest dyno's in the UK the lowest I have seen an K04 car run is 260bhp, so it strongly suggests to me that it isn't the map.
Mine on Stage 1 was running 289bhp on a Dyno Dynamics rollers and 300bhp on the SC's rollers. Stage 2 saw over 310bhp on SC's Maha LPS3000 rollers.
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my map is fine. I have a genuine, 241bhp, 249Ibft off stage 1 map. just about to get my exhaust then ill stage 2 it
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SteveP do you have boost specified and actual boost logs? It would be intresting to see them.
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Sorry I don't have any logs myself from when I was running the SC map as I didn't have a VCDS cable, but I know from the logging SC did themselves on my car there was never any issues with the specified vs actual boost. :happy2:
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Any further questions please post a new topic :happy2: