MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: flashp on August 11, 2016, 08:36:05 am
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With great trepidation I'm about to switch from MPSS to NS-2R's. I have to say I'm more than a little nervous as the MPSS that I've been running for some time now have been brilliant, probably the best tyre I've used to date in truth.
The reasoning here is that in around 10 weeks I'll be running another car for daily duties and the commute and this car wont intentionally see too many wet winter roads and by virtue the mileage isn't going to be high.
I was thinking that it would be worth saving in the order of £200 per set although my primary reason is that I believe that they may be more track focused than MPSS. I'm also going to be keen to see if they handle -2.85 camber angles any better due to construction and cross sectional shape.
They'll be going on tomorrow and will be getting scrubbed in for Saturday's track day at Goodwood. Fingers crossed the tyre surface will be track fit by then. If not I'm sure they will after the first session while getting brakes up to temp.
Ideally I probably need to find a decent roundabout and long tightening left off one of the exits so I can build speed and heat gently.
I'll update here as I go, in the meantime if anyone has experience of these tyres feel free to add your comments! :happy2:
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I imagine similar performance to to Federal RSR but Inlook forward to tie review!
I can't fault the Federals performance vs cost at all, great value track rubber
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I suspect they will be OK in the dry, terrible in the wet. I would not be surprised if peak grip was not much different between MPSS and NS2R.
Cup 2 would be in another league to the NS2R. but also another price league...
Mike, the Federal 595 tread pattern looks like arse!!! :signLOL:
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A tyre promo video like you may not have seen before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkcBHFvEF-M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkcBHFvEF-M)
:signLOL:
Although parts of it hold your interest if you turn the sound down :happy2:
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I suspect they will be OK in the dry, terrible in the wet. I would not be surprised if peak grip was not much different between MPSS and NS2R.
Cup 2 would be in another league to the NS2R. but also another price league...
Mike, the Federal 595 tread pattern looks like arse!!! :signLOL:
Had Cup 2's didn't track them but Alex may be able to add more as I sold them on to him.
On mine the federals work brilliantly. I imagine PSS would take longer to get warm and sticky then also over heat and go off quicker than any semi slick. Again I think Alex can comment on the PSS on track.
I'm considering PSS for wet Trackdays
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NS-2Rs. Good tyres, soft walls. They're also deathly in the wet.
PSS are fine in the wet, but if you're looking for something purely for that, Rainsport 3s or pukka cut wets are where it's at.
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OK, the trackday was a success. I chose arbitrary pressures of 28psi cold all round, hot they all came up to 36psi very quickly.
I borrowed an IR thermometer from work to take a look at temps across the tyre surface with particular attention to the inside edge of the fronts where I wanted to make sure that -2.85 degrees of camber wasn't hammering the tyre carcass too much. It measured 10 degrees hotter (remaining in spec for the tyre) than the rest of the tread which was well within limits; the wear on the outside edge just touched the top of the little triangle.
I only had one moment of very negligible understeer but I had entered Lavant a little too quick and gone too deep on braking, given this I'm not inclined to change anything next time until I'm more familiar with the way the car now behaves.
First observations, and not unreasonably, are that they are more noisy than PSS and I didn't expect them to be whisper quiet. I hadn't realised that the noise they generate is best likened to a whirring and is present without vibration.
On track I found myself surprised by my new position when exiting bends. When driving the way I have become accustomed with PSS I was finding myself further from the edge of the circuit by a significant distance. So much so that these allow you to go off line to pass (under invite) before you fully exit Lavant and to then easily re-position the car for the next kink.
Braking is more composed with regard to front end stability, no squirming under heavy load. This is also the first outing for my APF404 pads so there were two things to get the measure of. Later braking would be possible, it depends how you want to use the advantage. either as a safety margin or somewhere to gain time.
What I realised is that I have a 're-calibration' process to go through and there is more entry and exit speed to be had. My best lap times were 1:39.2 and 1:39.35 which came next to each other in my last session. I was getting more confident with them and had little traffic around me where it mattered. These times may not be quite as 'epic' as some but I can see and measure an improvement and this is about my development and not who I can claim to blow into the weeds! :laugh:
It'll be interesting to see how things go with these as they're used for daily duties until the new daily drive arrives and obviously I've no wet weather experience with them yet. I'm not expecting miracles here otherwise these tyres would be all things to all people and that simply won't be the case. These and regular tyres are things of different compromises and they have specific requirements which are not common to each other.
So far, not a disappointment and I'm happy with them. But if you want ultimate grip for the road in all conditions and a very quiet cabin and you don't go near a circuit at all you'll need to buy one of the usual suspects I think. :happy2:
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Yeah... you have got to expect some more tyre noise with patterns like these. My ad08s rumble at 50-60mph, the a048s rumble all the time... par for the course with track orientated tyres.
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NS-2Rs. Good tyres, soft walls. They're also deathly in the wet.
PSS are fine in the wet, but if you're looking for something purely for that, Rainsport 3s or pukka cut wets are where it's at.
It's always a touchy subject but Rainsport 3 are not as good as a decent tyre (eg Eagle F1 or Conti Sport 6) in the wet. This has been proven in dependant testing.
I really hate the RS3, they're OK, but not the best, raved about by people who only ever bought budget road tyres now have something "ok" and think it's amazing lol.
I find my AD08Rs only slighly rumbly, barely noticeable.
The 03g dunlops were very loud. but to be expected as per Rich's above.
Flash, glad your trackday went well :) you have to be going a fair old lick to be past the limits of any tyre really!
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I wonder if we could get an owners day somewhere for those of us here that might go for that kind of thing?
It could also be a big social for those that don't want track time. :popcornsoda:
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Yeah... you have got to expect some more tyre noise with patterns like these. My ad08s rumble at 50-60mph, the a048s rumble all the time... par for the course with track orientated tyres.
AD08's were on my list of possibles also.
Will you be buying them again? Do I remember correctly that you also came from PSS?
They're a brilliant tyre as an all rounder.
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Most probably yes. Can still get them for 90quid each so it makes no sense to go for anything else, given I don't drive me car that much these days
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Most probably yes. Can still get them for 90quid each so it makes no sense to go for anything else, given I don't drive me car that much these days
God, use your car :p
Are you going 17 then? 0:-)
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I will do if someone tells me what I need to hear. Seems like no one really knows
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I will do if someone tells me what I need to hear. Seems like no one really knows
They fit :P
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NS-2Rs. Good tyres, soft walls. They're also deathly in the wet.
PSS are fine in the wet, but if you're looking for something purely for that, Rainsport 3s or pukka cut wets are where it's at.
It's always a touchy subject but Rainsport 3 are not as good as a decent tyre (eg Eagle F1 or Conti Sport 6) in the wet. This has been proven in dependant testing.
I really hate the RS3, they're OK, but not the best, raved about by people who only ever bought budget road tyres now have something "ok" and think it's amazing lol.
I find my AD08Rs only slighly rumbly, barely noticeable.
The 03g dunlops were very loud. but to be expected as per Rich's above.
Flash, glad your trackday went well :) you have to be going a fair old lick to be past the limits of any tyre really!
Maybe an application issue, I only know of people running them on very light cars. Perhaps weight and/or high power overwhelms them.
I've only ever ran my normal track tyres in the rain, so PS2/PSS/F1/Conti5 and all have been fine. Setting the suspension/ARBs to soft has a much better effect than worrying about grip in these circumstances TBH.
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Anybody on here tried the Syron street race ?
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Anybody on here tried the Syron street race ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-2x-225-40-ZR-18-SYRON-SEMI-SLICKS-TYRES-/222223062343?hash=item33bd86d547:g:ry0AAOSwll1W1DB5
At that price it would be rude not to try them
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Anybody on here tried the Syron street race ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-2x-225-40-ZR-18-SYRON-SEMI-SLICKS-TYRES-/222223062343?hash=item33bd86d547:g:ry0AAOSwll1W1DB5
At that price it would be rude not to try them
That's the reason I asked the question, I noticed them a while back but couldn't find any reviews, but recently found a couple reviews
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Syron/Street-Race.htm
There actually £107 a corner at the moment on tyre leader in that size but they where £60-£70 .
Impending ring trip has got me wondering if there worth a shot or avoid at all cost
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Well, some may have noticed the other thread I started regarding a change in ride height here: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,108663.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,108663.0.html)
The possible explanation here that the stiffer sidewalls are transferring energy into the spring causing the plastic deflectors (I think) to contact the road surface on occasion seems entirely plausible although as yet I've no evidence but I think it's a sound deduction based the experiences of @Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733)
Given this and the elevated noise levels I would have some reservations about these were it not for the fact that in 4 weeks or so the car will retire from daily duties.
The grip levels on track are way better than that with PSS but that accounts for a very small period of it's time being driven. I will say that when you are out on circuit all these things go completely out of your head. :driver:
Can I continue to live with them??? :thinking: :popcornsoda:
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Any track based tyre is going to be noiser.
Wider, softer tread blocks, less tread, etc. Physically there is so much more rubber actually contacting the road.
can't have it all!
i very much doubt the sidewalls is pushing more energy to the spring, the difference would be marginal, i suspect it's tyre on the inside of the wheel arch.
not only that but while a tyre may be advertised as 225/40/18 for example there is a big variation on actually how wide a tyre is. vredestein for example run very wide where as falken generally run on the thinner side. EG 225 may actually be 230 wide on vred where as it may only be 218 on a Falken.
combined with more squared off sidewalls rather than rounded sidewalls of road tyres you are more likely to get contact with the arch.
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Any track based tyre is going to be noiser.
Wider, softer tread blocks, less tread, etc. Physically there is so much more rubber actually contacting the road.
can't have it all!
i very much doubt the sidewalls is pushing more energy to the spring, the difference would be marginal, i suspect it's tyre on the inside of the wheel arch.
not only that but while a tyre may be advertised as 225/40/18 for example there is a big variation on actually how wide a tyre is. vredestein for example run very wide where as falken generally run on the thinner side. EG 225 may actually be 230 wide on vred where as it may only be 218 on a Falken.
combined with more squared off sidewalls rather than rounded sidewalls of road tyres you are more likely to get contact with the arch.
I must admit that this is the first time I've run into issues with cross sectional shape of a tyre but I can appreciate how it would be a problem. I had another close look at the arches yesterday and there is evidence of the small lip on the wing being deflected a little, no clear rub marks on the tyre and it looks like it's not gone through the paint. I don't know that this didn't happen with the PSS fitted but I'd probably assume that it's unlikely.
This thread has been useful for me, I've picked up on a few things to look at. I think it'll be time to take the front wheels off at the weekend and have a proper look at the arches and liners.
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Interesting read.
Have you also considered Federal RSRs as they seem to split the pack when compared to NS-2Rs
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Interesting read.
Have you also considered Federal RSRs as they seem to split the pack when compared to NS-2Rs
I had, yes. TBH I couldn't find anything that differentiated them clearly enough so I simply took a punt if you like. Sometimes I wish tyres wore out quicker so I could get on to my next choice :laugh: