Post by: r5gtt on August 15, 2016, 10:45:01 pm
Thanks
R5gtt
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 12:18:20 am
Post by: dansmith180 on August 16, 2016, 08:16:03 am
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 09:49:47 am
Lower powered Q7s and Touaregs have smaller calipers with 4 pot, that you can fit 330 mm MB discs.
Cayennes also can have Brembos 17Z that are 6 pot and you can fit with 330 mm MB discs.
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 10:06:48 am
I don't fancy 6 pots so maybe better off with the rear calipers off the touareg and get a fitting kit for them?.
Thanks guys :smiley:
Depends on the engine of the Q7. Higher powered Q7 have the same calipers as the Cayenne Turbo, the Brembo 18Z.
Lower powered Q7s and Touaregs have smaller calipers with 4 pot, that you can fit 330 mm MB discs.
Cayennes also can have Brembos 17Z that are 6 pot and you can fit with 330 mm MB discs.
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 10:35:20 am
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fyy305%2Flitlleindian76%2F1374300_330385337101833_925392169_n.jpg&hash=0651bbe5b84c8010d04d2a7edfd7f41a1502a712)
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Post by: Paradox1 on August 16, 2016, 11:11:04 am
im still not sure how they will fit lol
Dont fit the rear calipers as the piston sizes are different to the front calipers even thought they are both 4 pots.
I'll try find the part numbers for you later.
Im not sure how 6 pot would fit on anything other than a bus lol
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 11:18:23 am
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Post by: trackep on August 16, 2016, 11:57:09 am
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 12:14:51 pm
That's a lovely setup Shoduchi!! whats needed to fit these? With having such a big disc do these weigh the earth like the S3 ones? How is the pedal feel? Cheers AdamIt's all explained in my project. The 350 mm discs being a bit bigger than the R32/S3 discs are also a bit heavier (13 kg vs 12 kg). There are lighter options from ECS Tuning, for example, but I paid 100 € for both discs... They're from ATE and were quite cheap, I'd say. :grin:
The pedal feel is awesome. Do mind that my Ed. 30 came with the bigger MC (23 mm3) from factory. Earlier GTI might have the smaller MC with 22 mm3.
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 01:17:26 pm
mate, the 4pot are fecking huuuuuge!!!I couldn't find the 4pot's on ebay and found the 6 pots which I'm thinking maybe a good buy and will cater for 350 rotors so better stopping power?. I will also need a fitting kit, rings for the oem hubs to cater for the rotors what a :stupid: process ff* :scared:
im still not sure how they will fit lol
Dont fit the rear calipers as the piston sizes are different to the front calipers even thought they are both 4 pots.
I'll try find the part numbers for you later.
Im not sure how 6 pot would fit on anything other than a bus lol
A bus :driver: :signLOL:
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 01:18:51 pm
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/161758632373?NAV=HOME
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 01:19:38 pm
Not sure what's the part number. I just know them because a friend fitted them to his mk5 2.0 TDI. They might need the same adaptor kit as the Brembo 18Z:Would be nice to get some numbers :P
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Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 01:20:24 pm
Brembos 18Z fit well under an 18'' wheel. With OZ Ultras I didn't need to use spacers. :wink:Will they fit R32 18 phase 1 alloys ?.
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Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 01:31:58 pm
Sorry guys forgot to link them :stupid:These are 4 pot Touareg Brembos. They look like the ones my friend fitted. They fit with 330 mm discs and you need spacers to get them under 18'' OEM wheels.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/161758632373?NAV=HOME
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 05:04:18 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 06:04:57 pm
What about the 6 pot calipers?. will they fit?. @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) or anyone in the know thanksWith those wheels you'll always need spacers with Brembo calipers. You can only fit R32/R20/S3/TTS calipers behind those. The mk7 Golf R and other cars that share the same caliper have an improved version with a smaller and lighter caliper with a bit bigger piston. :wink:
Post by: AJP on August 16, 2016, 06:32:18 pm
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 06:42:33 pm
hmm :thinking: I'm wondering whether to go brembo with spacers as I did with the tt or as you mentioned the ttrs R20 ones as I'm thinking the S3 ones maybe too small imo but I maybe wrong.What about the 6 pot calipers?. will they fit?. @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) or anyone in the know thanksWith those wheels you'll always need spacers with Brembo calipers. You can only fit R32/R20/S3/TTS calipers behind those. The mk7 Golf R and other cars that share the same caliper have an improved version with a smaller and lighter caliper with a bit bigger piston. :wink:
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 06:50:08 pm
I personally researched (to death) all the 6-pot and 4-pot options, including the 18z.imho I can tell you that oem brakes aren't up to the job when it comes to upping the hp unless they're rs or ttrs ones and I know that from personal experience so thinking I may as well go big as I'll need to be stopping quick if I want to go forward.
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
Post by: AJP on August 16, 2016, 07:06:46 pm
Fair play mate, I guess I should be doing the same, but for me there's always a bit of the 'brake porn' factor involved in the 4/6pot kits. It's the law of diminishing returns. I should hopefully have the whole kit on and working for about 500 quid. The cost of the bigger stuff all adds up, before it's even fitted.I personally researched (to death) all the 6-pot and 4-pot options, including the 18z.imho I can tell you that oem brakes aren't up to the job when it comes to upping the hp unless they're rs or ttrs ones and I know that from personal experience so thinking I may as well go big as I'll need to be stopping quick if I want to go forward.
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
My main aim is to avoid debilitating fade, rather than have something that puts me through the windscreen. I think I got to the point where I asked myself how far I really needed to go with it. Would spending another 500 quid get me twice the performance.
Anyway, we'll see. I might end up going for a bigger kit at some point if these don't cut it. But I thought it'd be interesting to see how well they cope, they're still a bit niche. If I've got it right, the piston diameter on these is 3mm bigger than the usual S3/R32 caliper. Could be good, might be crap!
Post by: Wolf Burger on August 16, 2016, 07:25:28 pm
Brembos 18Z fit well under an 18'' wheel. With OZ Ultras I didn't need to use spacers. :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2FGolf_GTI_Ed._30_28.jpg&hash=ef58cbb606643cf7a3cacbe69c9640a01d7ec154)
What size and offset are you running on the OZ ultras Shoduchi??
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 07:27:26 pm
The best way to find out is get them on and do the runs I guess. when I mapped the tt I was on oem brakes and even before the map they were very spongy and weak. Brembos were sitting in the box awaiting paint and within the space of a few days after the map I'd painted them and fitted them on with the Hel braided hoses. nearly snapped my neck braking :signLOL: they were stupidly sharp and brake fade was now a minimum in comparison. imho best to upgrade the lines when replacing calipers or even on oem as the harder the line the less chance of spongy braking.Fair play mate, I guess I should be doing the same, but for me there's always a bit of the 'brake porn' factor involved in the 4/6pot kits. It's the law of diminishing returns. I should hopefully have the whole kit on and working for about 500 quid. The cost of the bigger stuff all adds up, before it's even fitted.I personally researched (to death) all the 6-pot and 4-pot options, including the 18z.imho I can tell you that oem brakes aren't up to the job when it comes to upping the hp unless they're rs or ttrs ones and I know that from personal experience so thinking I may as well go big as I'll need to be stopping quick if I want to go forward.
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
My main aim is to avoid debilitating fade, rather than have something that puts me through the windscreen. I think I got to the point where I asked myself how far I really needed to go with it. Would spending another 500 quid get me twice the performance.
Anyway, we'll see. I might end up going for a bigger kit at some point if these don't cut it. But I thought it'd be interesting to see how well they cope, they're still a bit niche. If I've got it right, the piston diameter on these is 3mm bigger than the usual S3/R32 caliper. Could be good, might be crap!
I'd really like to spend no more than £600 but fat chance of that if I go 6pots :doh: Just need to know if they'll fit under the R32 rims with spacers. :thinking:
Post by: AJP on August 16, 2016, 07:34:09 pm
Yeah I'll see how it goes. Although I don't want to test them to the point they completely fade unless I've got access to an airfield or something. It's a scary feeling!The best way to find out is get them on and do the runs I guess. when I mapped the tt I was on oem brakes and even before the map they were very spongy and weak. Brembos were sitting in the box awaiting paint and within the space of a few days after the map I'd painted them and fitted them on with the Hel braided hoses. nearly snapped my neck braking :signLOL: they were stupidly sharp and brake fade was now a minimum in comparison. imho best to upgrade the lines when replacing calipers or even on oem as the harder the line the less chance of spongy braking.Fair play mate, I guess I should be doing the same, but for me there's always a bit of the 'brake porn' factor involved in the 4/6pot kits. It's the law of diminishing returns. I should hopefully have the whole kit on and working for about 500 quid. The cost of the bigger stuff all adds up, before it's even fitted.I personally researched (to death) all the 6-pot and 4-pot options, including the 18z.imho I can tell you that oem brakes aren't up to the job when it comes to upping the hp unless they're rs or ttrs ones and I know that from personal experience so thinking I may as well go big as I'll need to be stopping quick if I want to go forward.
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
My main aim is to avoid debilitating fade, rather than have something that puts me through the windscreen. I think I got to the point where I asked myself how far I really needed to go with it. Would spending another 500 quid get me twice the performance.
Anyway, we'll see. I might end up going for a bigger kit at some point if these don't cut it. But I thought it'd be interesting to see how well they cope, they're still a bit niche. If I've got it right, the piston diameter on these is 3mm bigger than the usual S3/R32 caliper. Could be good, might be crap!
I'd really like to spend no more than £600 but fat chance of that if I go 6pots :doh: Just need to know if they'll fit under the R32 rims with spacers. :thinking:
I'd imagine I could move them on quick enough if I'm not happy with them. But if they're good enough for the fastest front drive car around the Ring (if that record still stands) they're good enough for me.
As for spacers with the 18z, I'd bet my balls you'll need some with your wheels.
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 07:50:07 pm
See they're good enough for the ring but what are they like when giving it some beans and constantly braking when required. That's why people upgrade from the oem to bigger better braking if you understand what I mean by people upgrading from what they originally have as stock items?. I donr mind getting spacers as long as the wheel fits over the brakes in question 18Z as my tt need 20mm spacers up front as the 15mm touched the wheels and I figured that out when I threw in a wheel after fitting the calipers and scratched one caliper :doh: quickly drooped all wheels and took the rear 20's off and fitted them up front luckily I was running spacers att or I would have been stuck. :phew:Yeah I'll see how it goes. Although I don't want to test them to the point they completely fade unless I've got access to an airfield or something. It's a scary feeling!The best way to find out is get them on and do the runs I guess. when I mapped the tt I was on oem brakes and even before the map they were very spongy and weak. Brembos were sitting in the box awaiting paint and within the space of a few days after the map I'd painted them and fitted them on with the Hel braided hoses. nearly snapped my neck braking :signLOL: they were stupidly sharp and brake fade was now a minimum in comparison. imho best to upgrade the lines when replacing calipers or even on oem as the harder the line the less chance of spongy braking.Fair play mate, I guess I should be doing the same, but for me there's always a bit of the 'brake porn' factor involved in the 4/6pot kits. It's the law of diminishing returns. I should hopefully have the whole kit on and working for about 500 quid. The cost of the bigger stuff all adds up, before it's even fitted.I personally researched (to death) all the 6-pot and 4-pot options, including the 18z.imho I can tell you that oem brakes aren't up to the job when it comes to upping the hp unless they're rs or ttrs ones and I know that from personal experience so thinking I may as well go big as I'll need to be stopping quick if I want to go forward.
In the end I picked up a pair of mk7 GTI PP/Clubsport calipers (same as mk7 R/8v S3) which admittedly won't have quite the stopping power of the 18z or TTRS caliper, but the discs are light, pads are cheap, and I won't need spacers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20160816%2F6e7cd3c555717d62a588628273b5b908.jpg&hash=71c41bd84257737028367d5c60519c0f3cdd6de4)
Time will tell whether they're enough for my intended 350bhp. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
My main aim is to avoid debilitating fade, rather than have something that puts me through the windscreen. I think I got to the point where I asked myself how far I really needed to go with it. Would spending another 500 quid get me twice the performance.
Anyway, we'll see. I might end up going for a bigger kit at some point if these don't cut it. But I thought it'd be interesting to see how well they cope, they're still a bit niche. If I've got it right, the piston diameter on these is 3mm bigger than the usual S3/R32 caliper. Could be good, might be crap!
I'd really like to spend no more than £600 but fat chance of that if I go 6pots :doh: Just need to know if they'll fit under the R32 rims with spacers. :thinking:
I'd imagine I could move them on quick enough if I'm not happy with them. But if they're good enough for the fastest front drive car around the Ring (if that record still stands) they're good enough for me.
As for spacers with the 18z, I'd bet my balls you'll need some with your wheels.
I think your calipers are nice but not what I'd be fitting if I'm upping the power this for sure. 300bhp R with those brakes aren't anything to brag about when you suddenly hit a wall imho. not literally :driver: I'm mot being funny huni lol just being cautious from the start.
Post by: AJP on August 16, 2016, 07:53:48 pm
They're still in the box anyway. Only bought the calipers for now. I might just surprise you all and pull out a big AP Racing setup after I sell these on...
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 08:03:01 pm
The wheels are 8x18 ET45.Brembos 18Z fit well under an 18'' wheel. With OZ Ultras I didn't need to use spacers. :wink:
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What size and offset are you running on the OZ ultras Shoduchi??
Post by: Wolf Burger on August 16, 2016, 08:10:47 pm
The wheels are 8x18 ET45.Brembos 18Z fit well under an 18'' wheel. With OZ Ultras I didn't need to use spacers. :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm475%2FShoduchi%2FGolf_GTI_Ed._30_28.jpg&hash=ef58cbb606643cf7a3cacbe69c9640a01d7ec154)
What size and offset are you running on the OZ ultras Shoduchi??
:happy2: Thanks.
My 18Z calipers went into the paint shop today!!
They are going behind 19 inch Tallies so am expecting 8mm spacers being required.
may get some OZ Ultras or TD1.3's. Not sure yet till I have had the test fitting.
Post by: Shoduchi on August 16, 2016, 08:14:14 pm
The GTI Clubsport S has specific pads (more heat resistant) and the discs have an aluminium bowl to resist warping from track use.
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 08:52:14 pm
It should be me doing the big expensive thing and you doing it on the cheap!lol I wouldn't go that far mate :P
They're still in the box anyway. Only bought the calipers for now. I might just surprise you all and pull out a big AP Racing setup after I sell these on...
Post by: KieranM on August 16, 2016, 09:09:44 pm
Post by: r5gtt on August 16, 2016, 09:17:27 pm
The Leon 290 that had the Ring record had an upgraded braking kit fitted. The Leon has that as option kit, basically it's the same kit as the TTRS/RS3. :wink:That's why I want to go bigger than oem r32 r20 s3 as I don't think these brakes will be right under track style conditions.
The GTI Clubsport S has specific pads (more heat resistant) and the discs have an aluminium bowl to resist warping from track use.
Post by: Paradox1 on August 17, 2016, 10:14:56 am
The Leon 290 that had the Ring record had an upgraded braking kit fitted. The Leon has that as option kit, basically it's the same kit as the TTRS/RS3. :wink:That's why I want to go bigger than oem r32 r20 s3 as I don't think these brakes will be right under track style conditions.
The GTI Clubsport S has specific pads (more heat resistant) and the discs have an aluminium bowl to resist warping from track use.
When mine are touareg 4pots are fitted, we will go for a spin. havent heard a bad review from them yet but always good to see for yourself :happy2:
Post by: r5gtt on August 17, 2016, 10:20:44 am
That would be absolutely brilliant mate I'm waiting with anticipation :driver: make it soon yeah :signLOL: pictures and part numbers? :PThe Leon 290 that had the Ring record had an upgraded braking kit fitted. The Leon has that as option kit, basically it's the same kit as the TTRS/RS3. :wink:That's why I want to go bigger than oem r32 r20 s3 as I don't think these brakes will be right under track style conditions.
The GTI Clubsport S has specific pads (more heat resistant) and the discs have an aluminium bowl to resist warping from track use.
When mine are touareg 4pots are fitted, we will go for a spin. havent heard a bad review from them yet but always good to see for yourself :happy2:
Post by: Shoduchi on August 17, 2016, 10:59:02 am
I'm in the same position as you right now and from what I've read the TTRS and 340mm TTS discs seems to be the best combination to go for in terms of stopping power, weight and price. There is also a lot better pad and disc selection for the TTRS caliper compared to the 18Z 6 pots.Considering all, that setup for me is the ideal if I had wheels with ET35 (or less) and wider wings from SRS-Tec, so I could fit the calipers with the adaptors under the wheels without needing spacers and not needing to roll the wings so the tyres wouldn't rub.
I decided to go for the Brembo 18Z just because it was very easy to fit with OZ Ultras that I already had in my GT Sport when I bought the Ed. 30. :smiley:
Post by: r5gtt on August 17, 2016, 01:59:22 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on August 17, 2016, 04:28:07 pm
Can anyone confirm the brembo 18Z fit under the R32 wheels?.With spacers they fit! :P
Post by: Shoduchi on August 17, 2016, 04:32:44 pm
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Post by: AJP on August 17, 2016, 06:29:50 pm
Not to bore the thread with talk of old cars (as if that'd happen...) but on my old mk4 I fitted Brembo 4 pots (Cupra R). It was incredibly low. To clear the calipers I had to fit 8mm H&R spacers. Once the spacers were on, I then had to roll the arches. Once I'd rolled the arches, I then had all the fun and games of dodgy corrosive things going on, grit stuck to a tyre fouling the arch, etc. The brakes were great, the car looked great, but all the rest of it was a total pain in the arse.
Granted, it was silly-low. I'm not sure if you plan on lowering yours but if you do, it's one thing to be mindful of.
I might move on to coilovers at some point, and when I do, I don't really want any of the fun and games I had with the mk4. So the mk7 calipers appealed to me. I'm on BBS VZ, which are 8 wide and et44 rather than the 7.5 wide and et51 (I think) of your R32 wheels, so I'm already poking about 13mm closer to the arch. If I had to space, I'd want to space with proper wheelcentric spacers (the ones with a lip/spigot for the wheel to centre on). These, as far as I know, can only be had in 8/10mm upwards. That'd be too much for me. I'd probably foul the arch even on the H&R springs it's sitting on now. You've got more room to play with with your wheels (arch-wise), but even so, it's worth some thought.
Post by: Flyingscotsman on August 17, 2016, 07:13:36 pm
I'm looking for an improvement on stock and don't want to be bothered with spacers or new wheels.
Post by: Wolf Burger on August 17, 2016, 07:16:10 pm
Post by: AJP on August 17, 2016, 07:17:58 pm
@AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) let me know how you get on with the Mk7 R calipers as I'd like to go down same route.Will do mate, it's going to be a good few weeks before I get them on unfortunately, had to spend the brake budget on getting the engine sorted. And I need a pair of tyres soon.
I'm looking for an improvement on stock and don't want to be bothered with spacers or new wheels.
Looking at late Sept/Oct. I'll probs update the thread I started, but feel free to PM me near the time for any updates
Post by: AJP on August 17, 2016, 07:19:48 pm
Anyone know for definite what spacers are required on a MK6 Golf R with 19 inch tallies and 18Z brakes??@th3_f15t
(If my memory serves correctly!)
Post by: Wolf Burger on August 17, 2016, 07:22:10 pm
Anyone know for definite what spacers are required on a MK6 Golf R with 19 inch tallies and 18Z brakes??@th3_f15t (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8969)
(If my memory serves correctly!)
We have spoken at length AJP and he reckons 8mm but is not 100% sure. Top bloke is th3.
He's on the TD 1.3 wheels with a 5mm spacer.
My car is also lowered.
Post by: AJP on August 17, 2016, 07:25:28 pm
Post by: th3_f15t on August 17, 2016, 08:57:44 pm
Worth noting that if you're going to buy after market wheels for these brakes at some point, look at the Tiguan fitment as these run a lower offset which means you won't require a spacer. For example, 6R fitment is an offset of ET45 usually for wheels but if you look at wheels for a Tiguan then they use a lower offset, about ET40 which is effective a 5mm spacer already made into the wheel for you.
Post by: r5gtt on August 17, 2016, 10:42:29 pm
With Omanyts 18'':You're a star @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) :love: wait till I get those Z18 on :jumping:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe71%2Fecossepeugeot206%2FIMG_2332.jpg&hash=ff4327bc9c1befa3c23ac1318c5aab93ff7752ce)
Post by: r5gtt on August 17, 2016, 10:51:08 pm
You'll definitely need spacers.I don't mind 15mm spacers front and rear which was my original plan and did buy a set but they don't fit the car so Hubcentric all the way imho as I don't do flat spacers.
Not to bore the thread with talk of old cars (as if that'd happen...) but on my old mk4 I fitted Brembo 4 pots (Cupra R). It was incredibly low. To clear the calipers I had to fit 8mm H&R spacers. Once the spacers were on, I then had to roll the arches. Once I'd rolled the arches, I then had all the fun and games of dodgy corrosive things going on, grit stuck to a tyre fouling the arch, etc. The brakes were great, the car looked great, but all the rest of it was a total pain in the arse.
Granted, it was silly-low. I'm not sure if you plan on lowering yours but if you do, it's one thing to be mindful of.
I might move on to coilovers at some point, and when I do, I don't really want any of the fun and games I had with the mk4. So the mk7 calipers appealed to me. I'm on BBS VZ, which are 8 wide and et44 rather than the 7.5 wide and et51 (I think) of your R32 wheels, so I'm already poking about 13mm closer to the arch. If I had to space, I'd want to space with proper wheelcentric spacers (the ones with a lip/spigot for the wheel to centre on). These, as far as I know, can only be had in 8/10mm upwards. That'd be too much for me. I'd probably foul the arch even on the H&R springs it's sitting on now. You've got more room to play with with your wheels (arch-wise), but even so, it's worth some thought.
lowering on Eibach springs soon very very soon maybe even next week as ive got a full week off work :jumping:
My mk1 tt had 20mm up front to clear the LCR brembos and 15mm on the rear. as I had to swop the spacers around due to fitting problems with the deep dish ACE wheels I was running. loved the stance with 40mm lowered too. don't know how the gti will get on though but I'm forever the optimist :smiley:
oh I am on ET51. :thinking:
Post by: Stupots on August 18, 2016, 11:01:56 am
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1sxj6u6hfbz4x4/2016-08-17%2013.26.38.jpg?raw=1)
as @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) had already said, I would likely need spacers on OEM fitment (my Rotors are 18" 7.5 ET51) and he wasn't wrong...
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gxqj85mb3e17pl/2016-08-17%2013.58.27.jpg?raw=1)
This is a shot of the top of the caliper sitting proud of the spoke. The face of the caliper is only about 3mm from fitting in the wheel, but because the 18Z maintains this outer surface so far into the middle of the wheel, you need some serious clearance nearer the center, I'd say 10mm at least. I really don't want to run spacers and don't really want to go 8s, so I'll likely be selling this setup and going the mk7 R caliper route as per @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) :sad1: It's only got to be good for a 300bhp daily driver, so the R brakes will be fine.
Lets face it, I got caught up by the brake porn :rolleye:
Stu
Post by: AJP on August 18, 2016, 11:13:12 am
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
Post by: Flyingscotsman on August 18, 2016, 11:33:30 am
I'm also going to go down the Mk7 R route. Are those 340mm rotors in the picture?
Post by: Paradox1 on August 18, 2016, 11:48:50 am
I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on this one. Test fitted (and if successful actually fit and bleed) this lot yesterday...
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1sxj6u6hfbz4x4/2016-08-17%2013.26.38.jpg?raw=1)
as @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) had already said, I would likely need spacers on OEM fitment (my Rotors are 18" 7.5 ET51) and he wasn't wrong...
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/4gxqj85mb3e17pl/2016-08-17%2013.58.27.jpg?raw=1)
This is a shot of the top of the caliper sitting proud of the spoke. The face of the caliper is only about 3mm from fitting in the wheel, but because the 18Z maintains this outer surface so far into the middle of the wheel, you need some serious clearance nearer the center, I'd say 10mm at least. I really don't want to run spacers and don't really want to go 8s, so I'll likely be selling this setup and going the mk7 R caliper route as per @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) :sad1: It's only got to be good for a 300bhp daily driver, so the R brakes will be fine.
Lets face it, I got caught up by the brake porn :rolleye:
Stu
This is for mk5/5x112 right? not sure why you needs the brackets as im sure you only need the mounting bolts??
Post by: Stupots on August 18, 2016, 12:11:56 pm
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mfhsosoqp84h0n/2016-08-17%2013.59.40.jpg?raw=1)
@Paradox1 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9564) they're not brackets, that's the posh fitting kit. I really dislike the bolts/bit of stainless steel pipe/nut kits that are available online and @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) put me on to this proper kit from Epytec here: http://tinyurl.com/zskt9x3 I know it's £100 and you can get mounting hardware kits for £40 and make one up yourself for £10, but I thought why risk it with front brakes? :driver:
Stu
Post by: Stupots on August 18, 2016, 12:16:42 pm
Post by: Shoduchi on August 18, 2016, 12:54:51 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd48%2Fmigpoeira%2F12303972_1073825635972307_1285168434402223657_o_zpssezpjnbq.jpg&hash=5a966111b5a5d148a640c246047a16e4757e66b5)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fd48%2Fmigpoeira%2F12304338_1073825672638970_2778198076324215353_o_zpsbtagefu0.jpg&hash=f63a99d405d014bfc89d9abdbb8b5f7439671e71)
I'm still waiting to receive the better adaptor kit from Epytec that will be fitted when I remove the SuperPro ball joints. The ET of the MB ML450 discs is incompatible with biggert ball joints: TT and SuperPro.
Post by: r5gtt on August 18, 2016, 01:23:50 pm
Post by: r5gtt on August 18, 2016, 01:29:41 pm
That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.I'm hoping you're right @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
Post by: Paradox1 on August 18, 2016, 02:08:22 pm
That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.I'm hoping you're right @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
I agree!
I thought it was my driving at first but surely I can drive that hard in such a short space of time. The stock brake dont fill me with confidence at all.
I'll test fit the caliper once I order my spacer to give you an idea as we have simular sized alloys
Post by: Stupots on August 18, 2016, 02:21:00 pm
How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Post by: Shoduchi on August 18, 2016, 02:34:32 pm
Spoke design matters a lot. I think you can shave off 2-3 mm since they're so buff.How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Post by: r5gtt on August 18, 2016, 06:05:24 pm
need you to do it today so I can get mine :grin:That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.I'm hoping you're right @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
I agree!
I thought it was my driving at first but surely I can drive that hard in such a short space of time. The stock brake dont fill me with confidence at all.
I'll test fit the caliper once I order my spacer to give you an idea as we have simular sized alloys
Post by: r5gtt on August 18, 2016, 06:13:07 pm
No worries mate I'm just going to get the calipers I was looking at in Birmingham for £300 and just build up the rest like you have. Cheers :smiley:How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Post by: Paradox1 on August 19, 2016, 09:59:53 am
need you to do it today so I can get mine :grin:That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.I'm hoping you're right @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
I agree!
I thought it was my driving at first but surely I can drive that hard in such a short space of time. The stock brake dont fill me with confidence at all.
I'll test fit the caliper once I order my spacer to give you an idea as we have simular sized alloys
Not in thi :confused: :confused:s weather
Post by: Paradox1 on August 19, 2016, 10:00:40 am
No worries mate I'm just going to get the calipers I was looking at in Birmingham for £300 and just build up the rest like you have. Cheers :smiley:How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Get them, I'll send you links for all the parts you'll need :happy2:
Post by: r5gtt on August 19, 2016, 10:17:07 am
lol I'm trying to be patient but as ive got a good deal for those 6pots I didn't want to miss out as I'm down Birmingham next week too.need you to do it today so I can get mine :grin:That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.I'm hoping you're right @AJP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11926) as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.
The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.
I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.
@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.
I agree!
I thought it was my driving at first but surely I can drive that hard in such a short space of time. The stock brake dont fill me with confidence at all.
I'll test fit the caliper once I order my spacer to give you an idea as we have simular sized alloys
Not in thi :confused: :confused:s weather
Post by: r5gtt on August 19, 2016, 10:19:33 am
No worries mate I'm just going to get the calipers I was looking at in Birmingham for £300 and just build up the rest like you have. Cheers :smiley:How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Get them, I'll send you links for all the parts you'll need :happy2:
Thanks @bad devotions (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11170)
I should have read this part :signLOL: Will get the 6 pots and hopefully order some 15mm spacers and extended bolts too. 50mm bolts?.
Post by: trackep on August 19, 2016, 10:46:41 am
Post by: Shoduchi on August 19, 2016, 11:05:51 am
Can you get discs that are a straight fit for this setup? That don't need spacers behind the disc or some kind of spigot ring? Thanks AdamNo. There's no problem in using spigot rings that I can think of. The discs are secured by the wheel. The spigot rings just make sure that they are perfectly aligned when the bolts are torqued. :confused:
Post by: trackep on August 19, 2016, 11:24:23 am
Post by: Shoduchi on August 19, 2016, 11:56:44 am
I can get a set of calipers no problem, but can anyone point me in the right direction for the other hardware bits i need? sorry to be a pain. Also is everything ready available for when i need replacement parts? Thanks again AdamI ordered everything from http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/addiction_motorsport_ltd/m.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/addiction_motorsport_ltd/m.html):
Vw Golf Mk5 GTI Hub Centric Aluminium Rings 65.1mm to 67mm when using GL450 Disc
VW GOLF MK5 FRONT HEL PERFORMANCE BRAIDED BRAKE LINES TO PORSCHE BREMBO CALIPERS
Vw Golf Mk5, Mk6 Mounting Bolts for Porsche Cayenne Calipers / Audi Q7 Brembo
I recommend getting the adaptor brackets from Epytec. You can check the online store or my build thread to see the link.
Lots of online stores sell the parts needed for the Cayenne calipers.
Post by: Paradox1 on August 19, 2016, 12:16:48 pm
No worries mate I'm just going to get the calipers I was looking at in Birmingham for £300 and just build up the rest like you have. Cheers :smiley:How much for the set @Stupots (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12804) and are your wheels curved inward?.
48mm will do it. i'll order my spacer this week and test fit during the week if I get a chance
I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.
Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).
That's pretty good news @Shoduchi (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10590) If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!
Get them, I'll send you links for all the parts you'll need :happy2:
Thanks @bad devotions (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=11170)
I should have read this part :signLOL: Will get the 6 pots and hopefully order some 15mm spacers and extended bolts too. 50mm bolts?.
Post by: Stupots on May 28, 2018, 10:02:40 am
I loved the idea of the Brembo 18Z 6 pot conversion for the sheer bling and street cred, but realised the PP solution is more than enough for fast road, so in the end, head won over heart :smiley:
Post by: Sebas_theFish on October 17, 2021, 06:30:31 am
With Omanyts 18'':
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fe71%2Fecossepeugeot206%2FIMG_2332.jpg&hash=ff4327bc9c1befa3c23ac1318c5aab93ff7752ce)
What size spacer did you have to run?