MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: baka on September 29, 2016, 03:02:16 pm
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Hi ya, I'm buying A3 8P soon. I was after a MK5, but I'm too big for the seats and due to previous injuries the steering is way too heavy. So the Audi is the next best thing!
My question please, for yous guys with experience modding and driving the platform. At what point would you go 4wd/Quattro?
The cars definitely getting a map and 90% chance overtime it'll probably end up at Stage 2+. But that'll be it, no K04 or hybrid fun.
So at that point, do you think Quattro is literally worth its own weight?
I believe a 3dr FWD is about 1300kg and a Sportsback Quattro (much more common than 3dr) is about 1450kg.
Also any thoughts on how it effects the car dynamically vs fwd? I'm getting the car primarily for some b road fun. So if the Quattro makes everything all safe and anodyne but the fwd is a hoot, that's a consideration. :laugh:
Thanks!
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If I could turn back the clock I'd go 4wd all the way at any stage as it has better had long ihmo amd traction is awesome once mapped up to water stage to go. gti's are fun but once you start climbing the bhp up start spinning thr wheels all over the place including 3rd gear. That's my opinion. :smiley:
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But the cost involved with AWD with a LSD isn't worth it to retrofit along with all your other performance upgrades.
I would buy a car with AWD and then add in performance bits from there.
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But the cost involved with AWD with a LSD isn't worth it to retrofit along with all your other performance upgrades.
I would buy a car with AWD and then add in performance bits from there.
Surely that's what he is asking though? He is planning stage 2+ on a k03, and if it's worth buying the quattro, or will FWD be enough? Since he hasn't already bought the car.
In answer to that, buy the quattro. There is no point messing about not buying the quattro when it already exists. Adding 4wd to a 2wd car is expensive and complicated. Buying a 4wd instead of a 2wd might cost a little more initially, but then you have all the traction, there from the start.
Go for the DSG box too, while you're at it. Otherwise you're another £1k+ for an uprated clutch / flywheel. Which will likely offset the purchase cost difference between the DSG and manual anyway. And it means you might as well just go map the thing straight away as soon as you get it (like on the way home). Unlike me, who went manual, but now has to do the clutch first before mapping, so might as well do all the engine mods I want first too.
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Sorry to clarify, I haven't bought the car yet! So have the choice of a quattro A3 or fwd A3. Which I'm hoping to take to about 280hp. :smiley:
Thanks for the input, sounds like Quattro would be worth getting.
I know it makes sense but I'm afraid I just don't get on with DSG. A lot of the pleasure I get from driving comes from changing gear. I couldn't give it up even if it meant a big clutch/DMF bill down the line. :smiley:
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I have had the Quattro A3 2.0 TFSI 3 door before i bought my S3 and the reason for buying the S3 was because the A3 was rubbish tobehonest.
Standard it felt like i was driving a 1.6 with no power in it what so ever. had it mapped APR, which produced 265bhp but it didnt feel quick at all, and the fuel economy wasnt the best. So i looked in to it and upgraded to an S3.
The 2.0tfsi with K03 turbo has to be fwd as it has alot more pull for some reason. i know all cars are diffrent but my mates mk5 GTI standard was way faster and more economical than the Quattro A3 and stage 1 tuned it was also way faster also.
I know its only an opinion but been there and done it, had the car for about 3 weeks before it had to go.
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Its a tough one, I have reverted back to FWD. I bought a MK6 Golf R earlier this Year expecting it to blow me away with the 4WD, I remapped it within the first few Weeks and even then found it a bit dull.
Not knocking the capability of the car, It was a fantastic package with phenomenal levels of grip and quick off the mark but sadly not for me. I never launch my cars and generally I need performance for overtaking 30-70MPH/60-100MPH so just did not feel I ever benefited from having a 4WD car.
I preferred the ED30 I had previous, I thought it was more fun, More nimble and once rolling a quicker car (Both Stage 1) Plus £8000 cheaper to buy.
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The quattro will be a little slower than the fwd as my tt was quick at 265 bhp stage 1 but the gti is alot lighter and is definitely alot quicker with response and less lag than the k04 023
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Its a tough one, I have reverted back to FWD. I bought a MK6 Golf R earlier this Year expecting it to blow me away with the 4WD, I remapped it within the first few Weeks and even then found it a bit dull.
Not knocking the capability of the car, It was a fantastic package with phenomenal levels of grip and quick off the mark but sadly not for me. I never launch my cars and generally I need performance for overtaking 30-70MPH/60-100MPH so just did not feel I ever benefited from having a 4WD car.
I preferred the ED30 I had previous, I thought it was more fun, More nimble and once rolling a quicker car (Both Stage 1) Plus £8000 cheaper to buy.
I raced an R Mk7 a few weeks back and it was quick and I'd bu definitely have one if funds ever permit but sadly the drive was sh*t as all he could deal with was the straights :slap::signLOL: on a bend and he got baffled :wink:
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Aren't most of the mk5/a3 platform cars that are 4wd actually running round in the main as front drivers? I always thought the 4wd only came in when the sensor detected the front wheel/s had lost traction and at that point power was then transferred to the rear or across all four wheels. I didn't think they were constantly driving four wheels at the same time like a Land Rover will.
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I'm at 270bhp and 345lbft on a k03 GTI.
1st and 2nd are useless at WOT. It'll sometimes try and spin up in 3rd at 3000rpm. If I wasn't on Super Sports it would be worse. And this is in warm, dry conditions. But it's lots of fun.
Would AWD help at this stage? Yes. But at this power level I think it'd cease to be fun.
So just as a 2WD car with 270-300bhp is fun and reasonably manageable, I'd imagine I'd personally want something with around 350bhp if I went AWD or it might feel a little too steady. You're adding at least 150kg with AWD.
I'm probably going to do a k04 conversion at some point, and then I'll learn the car's real limits. Next car will be AWD or RWD.
So yes, get AWD if it's an option, and plan for ~350bhp. I reckon that'd be a good balance.
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Aren't most of the mk5/a3 platform cars that are 4wd actually running round in the main as front drivers? I always thought the 4wd only came in when the sensor detected the front wheel/s had lost traction and at that point power was then transferred to the rear or across all four wheels. I didn't think they were constantly driving four wheels at the same time like a Land Rover will.
This is true, but all that weight is still their dragging on the power, and affecting the fuel economy. If the OP's weights are correct, it's like having 1 and a half big fat dudes with you all the time (based on my big fat 100 kg). 150 KG is not insignificant. Not when people here go on about the 2 KG per disc weight saving between the 345mm and 340mm discs for an S3 set-up.
Personally, I'd rather have the quattro though. But then I am looking at a k04 tuned car, so 320+ bhp would be nicer driving 4 wheels I'd imagine. Well, my S4 was 340 BHP and driving 4 wheels, although my 335d was also 340 BHP, but driving the rear wheels.
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Chigmuss is right but again 4wd is best for high powered cars for less slip as mentioned by AJP although I'd sacrifice the power for 4wd as ive driven the porsche carrera 4s as my bother had one and my tt quattro for 5 years and love the feeling of putting the power down without spinning the front up.
btw the carrera 4s is a beast and don't try to pull away too fast as the rear does snake :signLOL:
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You are spot on with the wheel spin etc as my Ed30 stage 1 APR wheel spins at will like all stage 1 Ed30's no matter what tyres your running (Goodyear F1 A3's), where as my S3 was 371bhp with 408ft lb and of the mark it was an animal but clutch wise it would of needed changing every 6 months if you drove it like that all the time, and thats also more expensive as im sure its an extra 2-3 hours labour for clutch removal on a Quattro due to propshaft etc etc.
Depends how much your budget is and what you want really, if your going for Power then why buy an A3 Quattro surely an S3 has to be the choice, but if thats a stretch then i would personaly go for a GTi or FWD A3 as the K03 quattro is only any good if its snowing which i did have the fun off in my S3 and A3 S Line TDI Quattro once.
I can 100% say i was very very disapointed once i bought the A3 Quattro. Every one is different and you might love it but if your saying your buy it as im going to make it 260bhp and its Quattro and will be fast then you will be very disapointed.
Sorry :sad1:
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btw the carrera 4s is a beast and don't try to pull away too fast as the rear does snake :signLOL:
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Hope i dont sound a know it all but i also had a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 also 3.6L and i didnt like the drive of it one bit!!! Sold that to buy the Ed30 after 3 months of ownership, Wasnt even that fast handling was good have to give it that, when your in a Porsche 911 you expect great things and it didnt live up to its expectations im affraid. :sad1:
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I chopped my MK5 GTI in for an S3 and haven't looked back. Go Quattro if you are plannig power gains, especially with the weather we are graced with in this country!
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Depends on the software :wink:
Any aggressive map will induce wheelspin, My friends Revo Stage 1 Rocco R would light the Front tyres up on demand as it had both an aggressive Torque curve and an over-sensitive Pedal map making it very hard to control.
My old ED30, R-Tech Stage 1 Custom mapped. 300BHP/317LB/FT of Torque. Very smooth map and 1:1 ratio pedal map too.
Very usable and tractable even in wet/damp conditions, Off the mark obviously it would break traction but then I never use full throttle in 1st or 2nd gear anyway regardless. 3rd Gear no problem in the wet and was flexible enough from 30-80MPH which is more than enough for overtaking and where you want the performance, Like anything if you provoked it then you could break traction but on the whole its more than manageable. Certainly not hard work in any way and I can only imagine that an ED30 or GTI with a few select Chassis upgrades would be even better!
Yes the MK6 R out of the box did everything, Required little input from the driver. Just put your foot down, Any gear almost any condition and it got on with it. As said though this just diluted the driving experience and made me feel numb and not excited, I can only imagine the MK7 R to be even more so and in DSG form I would probably fall asleep at the wheel.
Im not trying to provoke an argument on FWD VS 4WD or Manual VS DSG, Simply that for 95% of the real world driving that most of us do and where we actually need the performance there is little in it.
The MK7 Golf Clubsport S proves this, FWD and VW opted to go for a Manual Gearbox. Its a drivers/purists car!
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Thanks guys, sounds like the butter zone for the A3 might be stage 1ish and fwd. So it's basically the GTI I was really after but with fat guy seats and easy steering.
Then when the prices come down a bit I can go full potato and get the S3. :smiley:
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That's the best decision mate fully agree. S3's have come down a lot lately keep your eyes out might get a bargain.
No one can say 4wd is Rubbish as it clearly is not BUT hope this does not offend anyone :doh: all the talk above is Golf R, S3 etc etc high performance cars but the question was about a 200bhp A3 Quattro not even in the same league as a Golf R/S3.
haveing owned a few performance cars over the years I would say below 300bhp I would go FWD,so you get the feel and pull of the power.
300+ go Quattro 4wd.
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btw the carrera 4s is a beast and don't try to pull away too fast as the rear does snake :signLOL:
Hope i dont sound a know it all but i also had a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 also 3.6L and i didnt like the drive of it one bit!!! Sold that to buy the Ed30 after 3 months of ownership, Wasnt even that fast handling was good have to give it that, when your in a Porsche 911 you expect great things and it didnt live up to its expectations im affraid. :sad1:
[/quote]Not at all mate, I bough the tt mk1 quattro onlt because I couldn't afford the 4s and I live thr drive of the 4s but would prefer the turbo any day :signLOL: It's great fun and imho and I would have one as a daily if funds permitted and a turbo would be best but £££££ not in the bank lol
My brother should have gone turbo but he's not a petrol head like me :signLOL:
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S3 £9k ish on FB
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Hahaha yes totally agree a 911 Turbo is a whole new ball game haha. But at £20k+ for a 2002+ car I couldn't justify it even if it is a Porsche lol :doh:
The Carrera 4 I had was lovely to look at (Aero Kit) but I didn't like the drive was my main car and I drove it to and from work every day. stuck in traffic in a 911 is not a nice place to be. :ashamed: and I like all the creature comforts of the VW/Audi.
I would say tho the A3 has in its favour is Bose sound system! Why why haven't VW give the GTI/Ed30 a good sound system. That's one big plus to the A3/S3.
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....I would say tho the A3 has in its favour is Bose sound system! Why why haven't VW give the GTI/Ed30 a good sound system. That's one big plus to the A3/S3...
You're not wrong, it's excellent for a factory system :innocent:
Everyone who hears the speakers asks if I've got some sort of 'system' in the car... I'm way beyond those grand old days :grin: :laugh:
If you go A3/S3, get a Black Edition. Again, worth it :happy2:
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I've had 2 mapped 2.0T VAG cars; the current GTi, and an A4 s-line Quattro.
In the golf, I have enough trouble using the 240bhp Ish with the front wheel spin at full throttle in 1st and 2nd, to not want to do any more to it (plus the wife uses it more than me, and I have another car.)
However, the 290ish I had in the A4 was useable all the time, wet or dry, and it would have been fine with much much more.
IMO, Quattro makes sense if you have the option.
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Stick with fwd and buy the best tyres you can get.
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Some excellent points and food for thought thanks.
The Bose stereo in the A3 is impressive for a stock system. Not firing the woofer at your arse definitely helps. :grin:
I was surprised as I've got the non Bose stereo in my A4, and it's the worst I've ever heard!
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Some excellent points and food for thought thanks.
The Bose stereo in the A3 is impressive for a stock system. Not firing the woofer at your arse definitely helps. :grin:
I was surprised as I've got the non Bose stereo in my A4, and it's the worst I've ever heard!
A 2+ k03 quattro will be pretty quick but it wouldn't set my pants on fire. What sort of stuff are you used to driving?
I do love my GTI and it'll be a bit silly putting a k04 in, but I guess I'm kind of commited to that now. If I had the chance to do it again (knowing I'm a sucker for tuning) I'd hold out for AWD and k04. You've just got so much more headroom in more than one way in those cars. It's just budget really.
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Yes the MK6 R out of the box did everything, Required little input from the driver. Just put your foot down, Any gear almost any condition and it got on with it. As said though this just diluted the driving experience and made me feel numb and not excited, I can only imagine the MK7 R to be even more so and in DSG form I would probably fall asleep at the wheel.
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I've had an S3 manual and found it really thirsty and only slightly faster than a bog standard K03 Gti, I was very disappointed with it, didn't keep for long!
I'm now on my 3rd Gti, had 2 K03 and now the K04 Pirelli, it has been mapped to Stg 1 and is great fun to drive.
I also have a Mk7 R, in comparison the R is far too safe and boring even though manual! The Pirelli is by far a much more fun car to drive and is certainly faster once you are up and moving, and a bl00dy sight cheaper to boot.......and I think it looks better too :happy2:
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btw the carrera 4s is a beast and don't try to pull away too fast as the rear does snake :signLOL:
Hope i dont sound a know it all but i also had a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 also 3.6L and i didnt like the drive of it one bit!!! Sold that to buy the Ed30 after 3 months of ownership, Wasnt even that fast handling was good have to give it that, when your in a Porsche 911 you expect great things and it didnt live up to its expectations im affraid. :sad1:
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I have a 911 2S air cooled, it is not about speed, as modern cars are way faster, it is more about the whole driving experience and feeling like you are part of the car, and the sound of that air cooled flat 6 you never tired of :smiley:
If I am honest, my Pirelli Stg 1 is probably faster from A to B than the 911 and much easier to drive, but each car is amazing in different ways :smiley: :happy2:
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I'm at 270bhp and 345lbft on a k03 GTI.
1st and 2nd are useless at WOT. It'll sometimes try and spin up in 3rd at 3000rpm. If I wasn't on Super Sports it would be worse. And this is in warm, dry conditions. But it's lots of fun.
Would AWD help at this stage? Yes. But at this power level I think it'd cease to be fun.
So just as a 2WD car with 270-300bhp is fun and reasonably manageable, I'd imagine I'd personally want something with around 350bhp if I went AWD or it might feel a little too steady. You're adding at least 150kg with AWD.
I'm probably going to do a k04 conversion at some point, and then I'll learn the car's real limits. Next car will be AWD or RWD.
So yes, get AWD if it's an option, and plan for ~350bhp. I reckon that'd be a good balance.
These are my thoughts too
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Yes the MK6 R out of the box did everything, Required little input from the driver. Just put your foot down, Any gear almost any condition and it got on with it. As said though this just diluted the driving experience and made me feel numb and not excited, I can only imagine the MK7 R to be even more so and in DSG form I would probably fall asleep at the wheel.
I've had an S3 manual and found it really thirsty and only slightly faster than a bog standard K03 Gti, I was very disappointed with it, didn't keep for long!
I'm now on my 3rd Gti, had 2 K03 and now the K04 Pirelli, it has been mapped to Stg 1 and is great fun to drive.
I also have a Mk7 R, in comparison the R is far too safe and boring even though manual! The Pirelli is by far a much more fun car to drive and is certainly faster once you are up and moving, and a bl00dy sight cheaper to boot.......and I think it looks better too :happy2:
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I personally think the point of the mk7 R (to car nerds like us) is what they're like when you push them up to Stage 2 and beyond. I can imagine they do feel very safe and steady when you don't take things much further than oem levels of tune.
I went out in Hurdy's mk6 last summer and there's no way a 2WD car could produce the performance that thing could. Even with a built engine, LSD, sticky tyres, and basically everything you can throw at it, there's a clear line in the sand where a 2WD just can't cope.
But... it really depends what you're after. If you base it on how much fun a car is, then arguably a 2WD k03 2+ car can be just as much fun as a big turbo AWD car, just in very different ways. Just like DSG can tame things a bit on a modest k03 car, if you're into quarter miles and big power DSG is a godsend.
It doesn't take long to get used to a little k03 though!
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Quotes are going spazzy here. Mine starts at "I personally..."
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A 2+ k03 quattro will be pretty quick but it wouldn't set my pants on fire. What sort of stuff are you used to driving?
I do love my GTI and it'll be a bit silly putting a k04 in, but I guess I'm kind of commited to that now. If I had the chance to do it again (knowing I'm a sucker for tuning) I'd hold out for AWD and k04. You've just got so much more headroom in more than one way in those cars. It's just budget really.
I used to ride bikes but had to stop about 6 years ago. About the only reasonably fast car I've had since was a 200SX S14 with 280hp. I also had a 220hp Volvo S40 T4 that felt even quicker, just because it tried to kill you everytime it spooled.
These days anything with 200+ hp keeps me happy. My current A4 B7 2.0tfsi is reasonably quick, if a bit of a boat.
The S3 is tempting, just because of it's potential to be genuinely rapid with a few choice bits. :smiley:
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If anyone is having issues sub 300hp (i.e. K03) then you either have a problem with your car, driving style or just have crap tyres
Get yourself a few handling mods and some Michelin PS4s and the car will be plenty capable... Helps if you don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch too!
Not a chance would I consider AWD at this power level - would turn the car from a fun family car 20-70mph (all I use it for) to something even heavier and boring.
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If anyone is having issues sub 300hp (i.e. K03) then you either have a problem with your car, driving style or just have crap tyres
Get yourself a few handling mods and some Michelin PS4s and the car will be plenty capable... Helps if you don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch too!
Not a chance would I consider AWD at this power level - would turn the car from a fun family car 20-70mph (all I use it for) to something even heavier and boring.
Just reading the posts here and dan is right I have a mk5 gti with k04 conversion running 355bhp and I can literally put my foot down in 2nd rolling start and there is no drama what's so ever just goes to show what Michelin ps4's and and load of suspension mods can help
(S3 hubs and super pro wishbones and balljoints) I think people forget that k04's spool a little bit later then k03's my k03 used to make my tyres light up all the time now I've got decent tyres no more issues for me...
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If anyone is having issues sub 300hp (i.e. K03) then you either have a problem with your car, driving style or just have crap tyres
Get yourself a few handling mods and some Michelin PS4s and the car will be plenty capable... Helps if you don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch too!
Not a chance would I consider AWD at this power level - would turn the car from a fun family car 20-70mph (all I use it for) to something even heavier and boring.
I'll acknowledge it comes down to driving style (and partly tyres) for me; I'm used to Quattro and so being able to use full throttle all the time. My main car is an RS4, before that the A4 Quattro I mentioned, and before that an S4...that covers about 8 years! I posted this vid in the conti SC5 thread, but I'll stick it down here too, 427bhp + Quattro + rainy Scottish roads not a problem:
Tyres on the golf are conti sportcontact 3s (on the wheels when I bought them, not my choice), and they're not very good.
So, I see where everyone is coming from.
However, given how tuneable the 2.0T is, if you're into modifying, how long is the car going to stay sub 300bhp? I'd want the capability to make big power and be able to use it.
So I guess it comes down to what the OP's intentions are (and apologies if I missed that on the thread)...if you're thinking to go down the route of TTE turbo upgrades etc, 4wd has got to be considered. If you think you'll be happy with <300bhp, then FWD and some good rubber is probably fine.
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I'm having no issues at 330bhp @ 350lb/ft.
I'm not into traffic light drag racing.
If I wanted more power I'd be looking at a Syvecs ECU and would stay FWD rather than convert. If felt I must have AWD then I'd buy a car already equipped with it.
I've ridden in JKM's Octavia at 530 bhp with a Syvecs ECU http://www.syvecs.co.uk/ (http://www.syvecs.co.uk/) and it's such an efficient solution it manages the traction and power with far more finesse than the OE system. Without exaggeration I would say it re-writes the rule book for FWD power delivery and I'd bet it's substantially cheaper than an AWD conversion. It would refine your car and also keep it visually OE.
Jim did explain to me in great depth the differences in management systems and to be honest I couldn't accurately repeat everything here. What I did learn though was the OE system is pitched at keeping the car within certain economy/emissions parameters which are definitely not performance related. The available sensors for managing power and torque delivery are limited in comparison to Syvecs system and all of it's available sensor input channels. Live map switching is also a bonus.
I see the benefit of AWD but it's not the only solution for big power these days. There's also no weight penalty with an ECU upgrade.
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If anyone is having issues sub 300hp (i.e. K03) then you either have a problem with your car, driving style or just have crap tyres
Get yourself a few handling mods and some Michelin PS4s and the car will be plenty capable... Helps if you don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch too!
Not a chance would I consider AWD at this power level - would turn the car from a fun family car 20-70mph (all I use it for) to something even heavier and boring.
This.
It's why I didn't get on with my R32s. The power and power delivery didn't justify 4WD. Sure, giving it welly out of wet junctions with DSG was reassuringly easy and drama free, but other than that and straight line drag races, the Haldex was unnecessary baggage 90% of the time......and extra maintenance.
I like the drama of powerful FWD. As you say, if you know how to modulate a throttle pedal, then insane wheel spin should never be an issue.
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If felt I must have AWD then I'd buy a car already equipped with it.
...I would say it re-writes the rule book for FWD power delivery and I'd bet it's substantially cheaper than an AWD conversion.
Fair enough, but we're not talking about a conversion here though.
We're talking about making a choice between purchasing a FWD or AWD variant of the same car to begin with.
I had that choice when I bought my A4. It was pretty hard to find a quattro in the end, although FWD cars were plentiful. There were only 4 on sale in the UK within my budget at the time I was looking, and I ended up flying from London to Belfast to buy the one i got, but I still think it was the right decision. I wanted the security of AWD in the wet, and the option to go to big power if I wanted to, without having any traction issues. In the end, I didn't (as I changed car) but if I didn't buy the RS I might have been looking at a TTE turbo and 400bhp+....I know I'd prefer AWD then!
So I maintain that it comes down to your intentions with what you want to do with the car.
Sure you can cope with 300bhp+ in FWD, as many of you guys are proving, but the benefit of having drive to twice as many wheels can't be ignored.
As a side note, I only lost about £1.5k in depreciation over 3 years on that car, as the quattro version of the B8 A4 2.0T S-line was harder to find than the FWD ones, which seemed to have lost more value.
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If I could turn back the clock I'd go 4wd all the way at any stage as it has better had long ihmo amd traction is awesome once mapped up to water stage to go. gti's are fun but once you start climbing the bhp up start spinning thr wheels all over the place including 3rd gear. That's my opinion. :smiley:
Your on a stock map!! what are you crying for? fit some decent tyres and stop whining :D
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If anyone is having issues sub 300hp (i.e. K03) then you either have a problem with your car, driving style or just have crap tyres
Get yourself a few handling mods and some Michelin PS4s and the car will be plenty capable... Helps if you don't treat the throttle as an on/off switch too!
Not a chance would I consider AWD at this power level - would turn the car from a fun family car 20-70mph (all I use it for) to something even heavier and boring.
Therefore I have a heavy right foot! Like I mentioned, I'm on Super Sports, car was properly aligned 12 months ago.
There's a few factors at play:
Mine makes big torque at low revs, and the k03 spools quickly.
The only suspension upgrade I have is a set of H&R springs. Dampers, bushes etc are all 78k old as far as I know.
I often floor it when I should really be modulating the throttle before I get into third!
Often if I'm not totally straight before planting it in 3rd the traction control will kick in. I think I'd benefit an anti lift kit.
I wouldn't say I have problems, but there's only so much you can do with 345lb/ft going through the front.
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I too have K03 2+ along with WMI. Don't get me wrong I COULD induce wheelspin if I just planted my foot...car hits full boost well below 3k rpm.... but if you modulate the throttle to gain some forward momentum before going WOT it is a lot more likely to grip and go... In the dry I can go WOT from about 35-40mph and it will just grip and go (so long as I feed the throttle in and build up to WOT. Stamping the throttle just makes that little light flash on the dash with the car going nowhere)
Have you done any work on the car in the last 12 months? My Geo is massively out after something as simple as a CV boot change so it could be worth having it done again
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I too have K03 2+ along with WMI. Don't get me wrong I COULD induce wheelspin if I just planted my foot...car hits full boost well below 3k rpm.... but if you modulate the throttle to gain some forward momentum before going WOT it is a lot more likely to grip and go... In the dry I can go WOT from about 35-40mph and it will just grip and go (so long as I feed the throttle in and build up to WOT. Stamping the throttle just makes that little light flash on the dash with the car going nowhere)
Have you done any work on the car in the last 12 months? My Geo is massively out after something as simple as a CV boot change so it could be worth having it done again
I haven't done anything since the geo last summer, but yeah it wouldn't hurt me to get it checked sometime soon. To be fair I'm pretty much running stock suspension except the springs, so I don't expect miracles.
I can go WOT in 3rd from 30/40 mph and it just boosts hard and takes off, like you say - every now and then (usually in colder weather) it'll break traction in third around peak torque.
It's only the first two gears that I've got to nurse if I want to make progress rather than drama. It's not a bad compromise considering the merits of the car. I'm probably going k04 at some point, so we'll see how it handles things with the torque spread across the revs rather than in a big slug at 3k.
By that time I hope to have some VWR dampers, an anti lift kit, maybe a stiffer rear roll bar, and a general refresh of bushes and mounts. Should be interesting.