MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Omaru91 on November 17, 2016, 11:57:44 am
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Hi guy, new forum member. Just joined after having owned my Gti for a year will get pics up when It decides to stop raining. I just wanted some feed back on this issue I'm having as I ain't got a clue what's causing the noise. I'll attach a video to show. It's coming from the drivers side of the engine near the alternator area. Any clue what's causing it? Really starting to bug me now.
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I have a similar problem, and the part I suspect on mine the drive belt tensioner looks very shiny and new on your car so maybe the previous owner already thought of that.
I don't have a solution but will keep my eye on this post.
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I have a similar problem, and the part I suspect on mine the drive belt tensioner looks very shiny and new on your car so maybe the previous owner already thought of that.
I don't have a solution but will keep my eye on this post.
Hi Jaks101
At first I thought it was that as well, so I changed it that's why it's nice and shiny, but didn't seem to fix the issue. I'm not sure if it's the alternator or pully, so will look into getting that changed and see if that gets rid of the sound. Just annoying not knowing what it is. I'll keep you updated.
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Mine only sounds awful when it's cold I.e on the choke, when warm it's fine.
I'm changing the PCV as this can cause poor idle and rattle in the engine due to searching for revs all the time. I'll let you know how I get on.
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Take the aux belt off start it up and see if the noise goes if it does it probably the alternator pulley
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Changed my pcv and it has made my sounds disappear was quite surprised it solved my noises thought it would just smooth out my revs.
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Take the aux belt off start it up and see if the noise goes if it does it probably the alternator pulley
As above.
Since your obviously proficient enough to have changed the tensioner, you'll be able to change the pulley too.
It's a one way pulley, so once you've taken the belt off to check if the sound goes away, try to twist the pulley in both directions. It should grab one way and turn freely in the other. You'll need to jam something such as a screwdriver into the alternator to stop it turning when doing this, so just be careful not to damage it when you do.
The pulley can fail in that it can freewheel both ways, or grab both ways.
You need a specialist tool to remove it but it is very cheap. I bought mine for NZ$12, so about £5.
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Hi omaru. Did you solve this? Think mine sounds the Same?? Video below....
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Son has the same noise on his car. Will put a video clip up on here. I think it is in the manifold. Has fault code P3137 Variable intake manifold, switchover valve
It is going to the garage on Thursday to be resolved ,will report back.
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I should think AKS Alex could answer this immediately, anyone able to find his email address ?
Or link him to this thread. Three owners waiting for an answer .
Thanks
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I should think AKS Alex could answer this immediately, anyone able to find his email address ?
Or link him to this thread. Three owners waiting for an answer .
Thanks
Would be great. Im about to fork out a fortune on a cam chain and tensioner which it might very well not be at all....
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The chap i spoke to said it was definitely not chain or belt noise
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The chap i spoke to said it was definitely not chain or belt noise
Im so confused at this stage! Lots of videos on YouTube sound so like this and it was cam chain and tensioner that solved it....
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Hi guys, I've changed a couple things such as belt and tensioner and checked the alternator it's none of those some have said it's the pcv it wasn't that either. I don't have any fault codes. I've got it booked in to have the chain and tensioner. But if it's not that I'd like to know too rather than forking out for something that's not gona change it.
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I have no codes either and car drives 100%. Im positive its the chain and tensioner but would just like to hear from someone who had it done....
Mine only comes when car is warm. And i can hear it clicking away inside the cabin....
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I should think AKS Alex could answer this immediately, anyone able to find his email address ?
Or link him to this thread. Three owners waiting for an answer .
Thanks
Would be great. Im about to fork out a fortune on a cam chain and tensioner which it might very well not be at all....
Thinking ahead and if you are right (and the man i spoke to wrong) , how much is a chain and tensioner going to cost ?
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Prices are listed in this topic. About 10 posts down....
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=99005.0
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Your doing a cam chain replacement because some bloke on YouTube said so?
That's absolutely bonkers. If the noise is from the right of the engine bay(Drivers side) then it is not chain or tensioner related.
It could be HPFP or something else. Don't waste your money on diagnosing things yourself. Give it to a proper specialist to fix it
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Two or three days to wait and our issue will hopefully be resolved, will update asap.
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Stick a dirty great big flat head screwdriver on the cam chain housing and put the tip of the handle to your ear ..... if its the cam chain making the noise you'll hear it for sure by doing this...... Same principle as a stethoscope but an easy/free DIY
If the sound is coming from the alternator area then its unlikely to be the chain..... Could be the alternator itself, the AC pump, water pump, alternator pulley, any of the idler/tensioners for the belts etc.
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Iv put the screwdriver to the cam chain cover. And yes, i can hear it clattering away. But!!! When i put it on the opposite side of the engine i can hear it too! So im thinking the noise is travelling.... Can hear it basically all over with the screwdriver. On the drivers side its loudest when the screwdriver is pressed against the fuel rail.... But im told they are noisy anyway....
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Well first day in garage and they haven't done much ! The mechanic says its not the inlet manifold and is cam chain tenioner problem or something on the camshft lobe linked to the fuel pump...... So lets see what it is tomorrow ! Nothing repaired yet and they have had it eight hours !
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Hopefully you get sorted mate.
2.0ts do seem to be a noisy engine.
Injectors and inlet are known for it.
Mine is making a similar noise, getting belts and chains changed to see if helps, will update with results.
Si
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Well first day in garage and they haven't done much ! The mechanic says its not the inlet manifold and is cam chain tenioner problem or something on the camshft lobe linked to the fuel pump...... So lets see what it is tomorrow ! Nothing repaired yet and they have had it eight hours !
My money is still on the cam chain and tensioner! Mine booked in for tomoro. Told me though it will be in a few days. He's up the walls!!!
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What noise if any does a cam follower make if it needs replacing ?
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Tapping noise If the follower is wore right through and its hitting the cam shaft. But then you should have low fuel pressure and possibly a code.... I had it happen on a vrs before. Car would hold back under acceleration etc....
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Well first day in garage and they haven't done much ! The mechanic says its not the inlet manifold and is cam chain tenioner problem or something on the camshft lobe linked to the fuel pump...... So lets see what it is tomorrow ! Nothing repaired yet and they have had it eight hours !
What he is on about there when he mentiones something on the camshft lobe linked to the fuel pump is the cam follower issue. The little piston wears through the cam follower and taps off the camshaft lobe. If yours sounds like mine then it isnt that. I had my follower checked last weekend. It was perfect.
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FFS !
Well the update is that they mechanic cannot find the source of the noise! It is not the Cam Chain or the Cam Follower or fuel pump ! They are now putting it back together !
Next course of action . I have contacted AKS Tuning to either respond on here on via my email.
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Like I said mate. If its the left of the engine its not the chain or the tensioner.
If you sit on the drivers seat you can pretty much tell its from the left hand of the engine. Its likely to be the HPFP.
Is Cam Follower on the left or right of the engine bay? Can somebody confirm?
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I thought the chain was on the left? :confused:
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Crikie! Mine is in garage today. Wont have any news until tomoro evening at least.
That's very strange they cant find it.... And there just giving up like that??
If you hear anything back from your email will you let us know? Cheers
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When looking into the bonnet the chain is on the right of the engine bay together with the fuel pump. We discussed the issue at length, at the end if the conversation he said "is there really a problem" the engine is reknowned for being noisy. So is there actually a problem ?
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Crikie! Mine is in garage today. Wont have any news until tomoro evening at least.
That's very strange they cant find it.... And there just giving up like that??
If you hear anything back from your email will you let us know? Cheers
Yes will do.
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Like I said mate. If its the left of the engine its not the chain or the tensioner.
If you sit on the drivers seat you can pretty much tell its from the left hand of the engine. Its likely to be the HPFP.
Is Cam Follower on the left or right of the engine bay? Can somebody confirm?
It is difficult to say which side the noise actually comes from tbh.
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Well yes there is a problem firstly anyway. Iv had mine parked beside an identical car. No comparison. Mine is like a diesel! It should not sound like that.
In relation to which side its from the noise will travel along the camshaft so you will hear it on both sides.... Same as the noise travels up a screwdriver when pressed against the cam chain cover.
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Well yes there is a problem firstly anyway. Iv had mine parked beside an identical car. No comparison. Mine is like a diesel! It should not sound like that.
In relation to which side its from the noise will travel along the camshaft so you will hear it on both sides.... Same as the noise travels up a screwdriver when pressed against the cam chain cover.
Was it alongside another 2006 GTI though? Didn't they change the engine in 2007 ?
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Yep. 2005. And i owned a 2006 vrs before and it sounded nothing like this. In any event, mine didn't sound like this 3 months ago.... So it aint normal.
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My two penneth..
I had exactly the same "chugging"/"diesel"/"marbles in a tin can" noise on my car, but only when warm. From cold start up it was quiet as a mouse. If you guys are experiencing the same noise, only when warm, I'd put a few quid on it being the same issue, but thats just my opinion!
After much research, watching videos similar to the ones here and reading posts similar to this one, I bit the bullet and changed the chain and tensioner (well, had it changed by a garage). Not because I knew for sure it was the culprit, but because I thought there was a good chance of it and if it was the chain/tensioner, I didnt want to leave them to get potentially worse. Also I figured If anyone was going to get as far as looking at these parts to see if they're failing (condition might not be easy to judge anyway - i.e. I'm told tensioner sits on a ratchet when engine off so difficult to gauge its condition), they may as well replace them whilst they're in there! My luck was in and now my car is quiet as hell (comparably, anyway) warm or cold.
Its a tricky one I know, there are also plenty of people who say their car has made the noise for ages and been fine, but I couldnt stand it!
Not sure if this post is helpful, just though I'd stick my oar in! :signLOL:
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Thanks for that. Im with you... Strongly think its chain and tensioner!
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@ garrardrj. Did they change the chain and tensioner and noise is still there? Or just look at it?
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They stripped it back and didn't change. They had quoted me £650 with some other work that needed doing. I paid £269. Not replaced and not really charged much at all bearing in mind they had it for 2 days trying to find the cause.
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Ok thanks. In one way its a pity when they had it all stripped they didn't just replace the chain and tensioner. Think the two parts are only around £100.
I should have some news on mine tomoro evening, i hope!
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Ok thanks. In one way its a pity when they had it all stripped they didn't just replace the chain and tensioner. Think the two parts are only around £100.
I should have some news on mine tomoro evening, i hope!
I am sure the tensioner is over £200 isn't it ?
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God no. The third part that most don't change is the cam chain adjuster. That's £270. Cant remember exactly but the other two, chain and tensioner can be got for close to £100 for both....
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Tensioner is around £100 and chain £70 for genuine from the dealer
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Ok thanks. In one way its a pity when they had it all stripped they didn't just replace the chain and tensioner. Think the two parts are only around £100.
I should have some news on mine tomoro evening, i hope!
Hoping yours is sorted , but awaiting an update :happy2:
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Im still waiting too. Will be tomoro before he knows. Only stripping it tonight. Fitting few bits tomoro then. I will update within minutes of knowing anything... Was talking to him this evening. He had a right good listen to it hot. He mentioned a variator on the camshaft at the alternator side of the engine. Not sure till he opens up though....
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Can you put your ear just undrr the drivers seat and see if you can hear it more? Towards the front of the drivers seat
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Can you put your ear just undrr the drivers seat and see if you can hear it more? Towards the front of the drivers seat
For me the noise inside is most noticeable in the passenger foot well....
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Possible solution..... Only a maybe..... On the inside of the cam chain cover there is a part sticking out that goes into the middle of the big round adjuster. There are 3 plastic oil rings on this part. One of mine is broken. Just before his phone died he said it would cause low oil pressure.... So! My question... Would low oil pressure make an engine sound diesel like????
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Just to throw a spanner in the works mine is doing this to. Seems to be drivers side.
So last week i whipped off the aux belt and the noise stopped so i assumed it was the alternator pulley. I have since put a INA pulley on and that made things very quiet but this was short lived....
Its only since fitting the pulley that i have learned that i can only hear the noise with the bonnet closed. Bonnet open and i can not hear it.
So today i will take the aux belt off again and start the car with the bonnet closed.
My noise seems to sound like a fridge/freezer humming. Its not a constant noise, its more of a pulsing noise.
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Maybe we can make this a sticky :scared:
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So after taking my aux belt off and letting the car run for a min, its quiet.
Once i put the belt back on and started the car it was fairly quiet until i flicked my lights back into auto (I had turned them off for when it was running with the aux belt off), the lights came on and it started making a noise again.
Hmmmm, strange. :thinking:
Turned the lights off and the noise all but disappears. So its probably my alternator bearings which is a royal pain in the ass as i have just had the alternator off to change the pulley. Or its the aux belt tensioner.
Not sure if this will help any off you lot but its got to be worth a try.
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So after taking my aux belt off and letting the car run for a min, its quiet.
Once i put the belt back on and started the car it was fairly quiet until i flicked my lights back into auto (I had turned them off for when it was running with the aux belt off), the lights came on and it started making a noise again.
Hmmmm, strange. :thinking:
Turned the lights off and the noise all but disappears. So its probably my alternator bearings which is a royal pain in the ass as i have just had the alternator off to change the pulley. Or its the aux belt tensioner.
Not sure if this will help any off you lot but its got to be worth a try.
Put a video of your noise on here please
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I had my belt off a few a few days ago
Noise was the same on or off for me....
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So whats the result of your cam chain work today ?
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None! Cant get the plastic rings i mentioned above till tomoro at earliest so its still opened up. Just hope they are in stock somewhere!
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None! Cant get the plastic rings i mentioned above till tomoro at earliest so its still opened up. Just hope they are in stock somewhere!
Fingers crossed.
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Any News ?
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Oh stop!! Disaster stuff! Trying to get the cam adjuster pully thing off, the nut inside the hole rounded. Had to rip the camshaft etc out of it. Big job to get the nut out with out damaging the pully or the cam shaft. Anyway an hour ago he got the nut out. So over the next day or two it will all be put back together. Doing timing belt and water pump now too since so much is stripped!
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I swear VW make those bolts from Wensleydale on purpose.
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I fnd that bolt requires the correct VW socket and an assistant push the socket into the bolt while the other person applies an even pressure on the breaker bar to free it off.
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So that's the dreaded bolt that gets stripped if you don't do it correctly :surprised:
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BLOODY HELL !
Hopefully the noise is gone after all this .
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BLOODY HELL !
Hopefully the noise is gone after all this .
Trouble is i doubt it. Chain was fine and tight.... My only hope now is that it was the oil seals causing the noise.
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Really hope this is sorted soon mate :happy2:
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BLOODY HELL !
Hopefully the noise is gone after all this .
Trouble is i doubt it. Chain was fine and tight.... My only hope now is that it was the oil seals causing the noise.
I haven't heard from AKS Alex or whoever answers the emails either ! If we could source another car for my son to run about in for a couple of weeks we would take it to them. He can't be without a car . We want to resolve this issue to then sell the car as he is due another as this has been his car for four years.
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BLOODY HELL !
Hopefully the noise is gone after all this .
Trouble is i doubt it. Chain was fine and tight.... My only hope now is that it was the oil seals causing the noise.
As I mentioned before, when the engine is runing, the tensioner could be flapping up and down - causing the noise. When the engine is stopped, the tensioner rests on a ratchet and so can appear fine in its fully extended (chain tight) position. This is why the noise only appears when the engine is hot (thinner oil = more tensioner flapping = more noise) and running.
I'm certainly no mechanic, but thats my summary of the 2nd hand information I gleaned on the lead up to having mine replaced (and noise banished!).
Fingers crossed for you!
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I fnd that bolt requires the correct VW socket and an assistant push the socket into the bolt while the other person applies an even pressure on the breaker bar to free it off.
Exactly that because the tool recess is stupidly shallow on that bolt. I had an assistant do the same thing when I did a rear wheel bearing too. A 40" breaker bar helps too :smiley:
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So i have a major update. Problem solved!!! Car is noise free and running like a dream! Just collected it this morning.
I had the chain and tensioner replaced as i had them anyway even though my mechanic said they were perfect. He is 100% that it was those 3 plastic oil seals on the inside of the cam chain cover. They were brotttle and broken and causing slightly low oil pressure which caused the noise up top.
Anyone with a diesel sounding gti i would be strongly suggesting to get these rings changed! It solved my issues!
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So i have a major update. Problem solved!!! Car is noise free and running like a dream! Just collected it this morning.
I had the chain and tensioner replaced as i had them anyway even though my mechanic said they were perfect. He is 100% that it was those 3 plastic oil seals on the inside of the cam chain cover. They were brotttle and broken and causing slightly low oil pressure which caused the noise up top.
Anyone with a diesel sounding gti i would be strongly suggesting to get these rings changed! It solved my issues!
Great News. Put an after video of the engine noise now ? Did you have low oil pressure warning light ?
So this wouldn't be the only cause of low oil pressure , so could be an answer for us to look into that i would think ?
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Ill try get a video this evening. Not a sound now inside the cabin and i had that constant knocking sound at idel and outside it sounds like a normal car!
I had no warning light and no fault codes stored. It just wasn't enough to bring on the light but enough to cause the noise....
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Excellent news and congratulations for getting it done.
so it sounds quiet like a new car ?
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Taken today....
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That doesn't sound much different to me ?? Anyone else ? Comparing your first video on page 1 to this one ?
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Jesus its chalk and cheese standing beside the car. Totally different sound.... That diesel knock is totally gone... I know the video clips don't pick up sound great. But there is no comparison in the engine sound now than before. Sounds like a different car standing beside it
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Yeah it does. If you listen to the videos with headphones you can clearly hear the difference, especially inside the car.
Good to see that progress is being made on this problem. :happy2:
Rich.
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Ya its inside its most noticeable. And that's where it was most annoying. Knock knock knock every time you stop. Even my wife commented on it today. And when she noticed it that's saying a lot! Lots of different noises coming from the engine so its harder to pick up on it. But trust me. Its 100 times better now!
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So i have a major update. Problem solved!!! Car is noise free and running like a dream! Just collected it this morning.
I had the chain and tensioner replaced as i had them anyway even though my mechanic said they were perfect. He is 100% that it was those 3 plastic oil seals on the inside of the cam chain cover. They were brotttle and broken and causing slightly low oil pressure which caused the noise up top.
Anyone with a diesel sounding gti i would be strongly suggesting to get these rings changed! It solved my issues!
Hi MartinGti
Really glad you got yours sorted. How would I go about getting the oil seals changed l? Do you have any part numbers or exactly what parts I would need to get this done?
The sound inside mine is a lot worse then it is outside driving me nuts when I'm stationary.
Cheers
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No bother. I have a picture of the parts with the part number on them. Ill upload them shortly with another picture of where they go.
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So i have a major update. Problem solved!!! Car is noise free and running like a dream! Just collected it this morning.
I had the chain and tensioner replaced as i had them anyway even though my mechanic said they were perfect. He is 100% that it was those 3 plastic oil seals on the inside of the cam chain cover. They were brotttle and broken and causing slightly low oil pressure which caused the noise up top.
Anyone with a diesel sounding gti i would be strongly suggesting to get these rings changed! It solved my issues!
Hi MartinGti
Really glad you got yours sorted. How would I go about getting the oil seals changed l? Do you have any part numbers or exactly what parts I would need to get this done?
The sound inside mine is a lot worse then it is outside driving me nuts when I'm stationary.
Cheers
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Would the noise be caused by any cause of low oil pressure ? Anyone ?
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Pretty much ya, low oil pressure will cause a noisy top end. Presume a blocked pick up pipe would do it too. But a big blockage will bring on an oil light. Mine was very early stages and only one ring was broken
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Pics below, i hope.... So they are the 3 rings. The second pic is where they go. That's the inside of the cam chain cover. That bit sticking out goes in to the centre of the cam adjuster or variator pully. If you look closely you'll see where the rings go down along it. They regulate the oil pressure.
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Hi guys, is there any way I can just get the cam chain cover off without having to take the rocker cover off? So I can go about getting these seals changed?
Cheer
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Hi guys, is there any way I can just get the cam chain cover off without having to take the rocker cover off? So I can go about getting these seals changed?
Cheer
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Check this out mate
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,106158.0.html Shouldn't see why not if it's only the seals unless someone says otherwise.
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My ticking noise defiantly comes from under the drivers seat. Is that where the fuel lines are located?
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If it's more of a tapping noise that you can hear loudly if you crouch next to the car with the engine on, drivers door open and place your ear to the carpet in the footwell, then yes its the fuel line rattle
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If it's more of a tapping noise that you can hear loudly if you crouch next to the car with the engine on, drivers door open and place your ear to the carpet in the footwell, then yes its the fuel line rattle
Yes thats the one I have. Can it be fixed?
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That was my case too.
Two camshaft adjuster oil rings were broken, causing the top end "diesel" noise.
Another symptom was somedays on cold start a metal rattling noise could be heard for a minute after startup.
Bought whole set of 3 rings and replaced.
I am at 205,000km.
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Very cheap parts and easy enough fix.
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Where's the best place to get these parts I've had a look and are hard to find. Cheers
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The oil rings? I just rang vw garage, gave them the part number off the bag. They orderd them. Had them the next day. Only a few pound....
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Update from me...... Cam chain and tensioner replaced and noise is gone. :smiley: :smiley:
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Hmm. Anyone saved the part numbers for the three seals mentioned here? Pictures have gone away....
@MartinGTI (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=17956)
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Hmm. Anyone saved the part numbers for the three seals mentioned here? Pictures have gone away....
@MartinGTI (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=17956)
https://www.akstuning.co.uk/engine-components/376-genuine-camshaft-adjuster-housing-seal-set.html