Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 04:33:50 pm
Will I have to take it easy for the whole 6 weeks or can I drive as normal? BOOOOST.
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 06:49:30 pm
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 07:13:40 pm
Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 07:25:40 pm
No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 07:37:02 pm
Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 07:43:11 pm
Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 07:51:27 pm
Wow that's pretty impressive!Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
How come you didn't go for stage 2+?
Currently I've only got stage 1 r tech on my eddy but will have the powervalve and Revo intake when I go for stage 2
I can't justify spending the money on an intercooler and hpfp for stage 2+ as it's already a lot of power through the front wheels.
I only really wanted more noise and realised that I'm stage 2 ready with an exhaust and an intake so it kind of made sense haha.
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Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 08:11:53 pm
Well that's a good question. At the time, the idea of an uprated fuel pump and 2+ didn't really occur to me. I was happy with the idea of a minimal build with good flow and decent power. Stage 2 sounded good.Wow that's pretty impressive!Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
How come you didn't go for stage 2+?
Currently I've only got stage 1 r tech on my eddy but will have the powervalve and Revo intake when I go for stage 2
I can't justify spending the money on an intercooler and hpfp for stage 2+ as it's already a lot of power through the front wheels.
I only really wanted more noise and realised that I'm stage 2 ready with an exhaust and an intake so it kind of made sense haha.
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However (and don't let this worry you, but it's worth knowing), shortly after the Stage 2 map I started getting fuel cuts. Basically the map pushed the standard fuel pump right to its limits and it'd occasionally fail to meet the fuel requests. So when a used Loba pump came up on here I bagged it up and with it fitted the fuel cuts were cured, with the added bonus of a stronger power delivery. When it boosts, it boosts harder, and more consistently.
I'm still on the Stage 2 map, and arguably I could nip down for a tweak to 2+, but the long term plan is a k04 or k03 hybrid. The way I see it, it's strong and reliable right now, and I'd only really gain a little bit extra with a map tweak. And all these map tweaks cost money! So at some point I'll be doing turbo, intake and S3 cooler, then back down to Hinckley for Stage 3.
All I'd advise is that a Stage 2 map will be asking a lot from your pump. Be prepared for fuel cuts. And be prepared for clutch slip. Especially with your k04. You might be ok - some OEM pumps seem to cope better than others, just as some standard clutches do. But things can get a bit expensive once you start ramping up the boost
Post by: Shoduchi on March 09, 2017, 08:12:07 pm
Never had an EML, just saw the increased flow error on the VCDS scan occasionally.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 10:33:25 pm
Yeah I guess I'm trying to go for a minimal build too with decent torque and power.Well that's a good question. At the time, the idea of an uprated fuel pump and 2+ didn't really occur to me. I was happy with the idea of a minimal build with good flow and decent power. Stage 2 sounded good.Wow that's pretty impressive!Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
How come you didn't go for stage 2+?
Currently I've only got stage 1 r tech on my eddy but will have the powervalve and Revo intake when I go for stage 2
I can't justify spending the money on an intercooler and hpfp for stage 2+ as it's already a lot of power through the front wheels.
I only really wanted more noise and realised that I'm stage 2 ready with an exhaust and an intake so it kind of made sense haha.
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However (and don't let this worry you, but it's worth knowing), shortly after the Stage 2 map I started getting fuel cuts. Basically the map pushed the standard fuel pump right to its limits and it'd occasionally fail to meet the fuel requests. So when a used Loba pump came up on here I bagged it up and with it fitted the fuel cuts were cured, with the added bonus of a stronger power delivery. When it boosts, it boosts harder, and more consistently.
I'm still on the Stage 2 map, and arguably I could nip down for a tweak to 2+, but the long term plan is a k04 or k03 hybrid. The way I see it, it's strong and reliable right now, and I'd only really gain a little bit extra with a map tweak. And all these map tweaks cost money! So at some point I'll be doing turbo, intake and S3 cooler, then back down to Hinckley for Stage 3.
All I'd advise is that a Stage 2 map will be asking a lot from your pump. Be prepared for fuel cuts. And be prepared for clutch slip. Especially with your k04. You might be ok - some OEM pumps seem to cope better than others, just as some standard clutches do. But things can get a bit expensive once you start ramping up the boost
Oh really? Did you notice the fuel cuts straight away, and would you recommend the loba pump? Perhaps it's worth me keeping an eye on a second hand pump just in case! If I get a new pump and an intercooler then I may as well go stage 2+...this tuning business never stops!
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Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 10:40:35 pm
The fuel cuts occured within a few weeks of going Stage 2, whenever I drove it hard. When I had the Loba fitted I wasn't really expecting any real performance increase but it's definitely added some extra shove when the boost ramps up. I'd imagine with the map altered to request even more fuel it'd feel even nicer. It's an underrated mod.Yeah I guess I'm trying to go for a minimal build too with decent torque and power.Well that's a good question. At the time, the idea of an uprated fuel pump and 2+ didn't really occur to me. I was happy with the idea of a minimal build with good flow and decent power. Stage 2 sounded good.Wow that's pretty impressive!Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
How come you didn't go for stage 2+?
Currently I've only got stage 1 r tech on my eddy but will have the powervalve and Revo intake when I go for stage 2
I can't justify spending the money on an intercooler and hpfp for stage 2+ as it's already a lot of power through the front wheels.
I only really wanted more noise and realised that I'm stage 2 ready with an exhaust and an intake so it kind of made sense haha.
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However (and don't let this worry you, but it's worth knowing), shortly after the Stage 2 map I started getting fuel cuts. Basically the map pushed the standard fuel pump right to its limits and it'd occasionally fail to meet the fuel requests. So when a used Loba pump came up on here I bagged it up and with it fitted the fuel cuts were cured, with the added bonus of a stronger power delivery. When it boosts, it boosts harder, and more consistently.
I'm still on the Stage 2 map, and arguably I could nip down for a tweak to 2+, but the long term plan is a k04 or k03 hybrid. The way I see it, it's strong and reliable right now, and I'd only really gain a little bit extra with a map tweak. And all these map tweaks cost money! So at some point I'll be doing turbo, intake and S3 cooler, then back down to Hinckley for Stage 3.
All I'd advise is that a Stage 2 map will be asking a lot from your pump. Be prepared for fuel cuts. And be prepared for clutch slip. Especially with your k04. You might be ok - some OEM pumps seem to cope better than others, just as some standard clutches do. But things can get a bit expensive once you start ramping up the boost
Oh really? Did you notice the fuel cuts straight away, and would you recommend the loba pump? Perhaps it's worth me keeping an eye on a second hand pump just in case! If I get a new pump and an intercooler then I may as well go stage 2+...this tuning business never stops!
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If I knew then what I know now, I'd have got the pump in before I went back down for the map.
Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 10:41:22 pm
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 09, 2017, 10:42:59 pm
Haha you've got me thinking if buying one before my remap now.The fuel cuts occured within a few weeks of going Stage 2, whenever I drove it hard. When I had the Loba fitted I wasn't really expecting any real performance increase but it's definitely added some extra shove when the boost ramps up. I'd imagine with the map altered to request even more fuel it'd feel even nicer. It's an underrated mod.Yeah I guess I'm trying to go for a minimal build too with decent torque and power.Well that's a good question. At the time, the idea of an uprated fuel pump and 2+ didn't really occur to me. I was happy with the idea of a minimal build with good flow and decent power. Stage 2 sounded good.Wow that's pretty impressive!Very noticable. I was on Stage 1 R-Tech when I had the exhaust fitted, and gained 15bhp and 20lb/ft straight away. Then with Stage 2 R-Tech gained another 10bhp and 25lb/ft on top of that. No other hardware changes apart from a Pipercross panel filter, which might have got me 2bhp if I was lucky! I've got the graphs somewhere.Ok awesome I'm not sure why people seem to think it will cause me problems.No, it won't go into limp mode. Worst thing that can happen is the EML coming on because of the increased flow - this will be mapped out when you go to R-Tech. And that's nothing to worry about in itself, just the ECU expecting values within a certain range. The extra flow exceeds those values, the lambda sensor tells the ECU, and the ECU thinks there's something wrong... but the ECU doesn't know about the 3" downpipe and big cat allowing the extra flow. Performance is unaffected.Drive it how you normally would. You won't break anything, don't worry!Ok only because some people have said just don't go over 2000rpm and etc and to take it easy or it may go into limp mode!
Are you going for a decat or sport cat?
Best mod I've done. Love mine.
I went for sports cat what about you? I'm pretty excited!
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I went for the sport cat too. R32 style with 35 degree tips. Sounds incredible, and gives a considerable bump in torque and power. It actually made my clutch slip, so I had to hold off on the Stage 2 R-Tech map while I sorted that - I was driving around on R-Tech Stage 1 for a while and it took ages for the EML to come on. A good few months. Then got the Stage 2, and released even more power! It's a great mod.
That's cool I also went for the 35 degree tips too they look real good!
Was it pretty noticeable then even before the map? Thought the power and torque gains from a turbo back alone were minimal so that's good to hear!
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Like Nige said at the time, it feels like a mini remap. What's your current hardware/software spec mate?
How come you didn't go for stage 2+?
Currently I've only got stage 1 r tech on my eddy but will have the powervalve and Revo intake when I go for stage 2
I can't justify spending the money on an intercooler and hpfp for stage 2+ as it's already a lot of power through the front wheels.
I only really wanted more noise and realised that I'm stage 2 ready with an exhaust and an intake so it kind of made sense haha.
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However (and don't let this worry you, but it's worth knowing), shortly after the Stage 2 map I started getting fuel cuts. Basically the map pushed the standard fuel pump right to its limits and it'd occasionally fail to meet the fuel requests. So when a used Loba pump came up on here I bagged it up and with it fitted the fuel cuts were cured, with the added bonus of a stronger power delivery. When it boosts, it boosts harder, and more consistently.
I'm still on the Stage 2 map, and arguably I could nip down for a tweak to 2+, but the long term plan is a k04 or k03 hybrid. The way I see it, it's strong and reliable right now, and I'd only really gain a little bit extra with a map tweak. And all these map tweaks cost money! So at some point I'll be doing turbo, intake and S3 cooler, then back down to Hinckley for Stage 3.
All I'd advise is that a Stage 2 map will be asking a lot from your pump. Be prepared for fuel cuts. And be prepared for clutch slip. Especially with your k04. You might be ok - some OEM pumps seem to cope better than others, just as some standard clutches do. But things can get a bit expensive once you start ramping up the boost
Oh really? Did you notice the fuel cuts straight away, and would you recommend the loba pump? Perhaps it's worth me keeping an eye on a second hand pump just in case! If I get a new pump and an intercooler then I may as well go stage 2+...this tuning business never stops!
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If I knew then what I know now, I'd have got the pump in before I went back down for the map.
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Post by: AJP on March 09, 2017, 10:43:41 pm
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 12:15:02 am
If you can, do it.Managed to source a loba pump for £350 that's covered a claimed 1500 miles. Worth it?
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 12:17:12 am
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 08:24:45 am
Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 11:28:17 am
Yes, that makes sense. Also make a habit of checking your follower for wear (if you don't already) in the future. It'll wear faster with the uprated pump than with a standard pump.Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 11:58:12 am
Ok cheers I will do.Yes, that makes sense. Also make a habit of checking your follower for wear (if you don't already) in the future. It'll wear faster with the uprated pump than with a standard pump.Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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I suppose the other thing is there isn't anyway of knowing how many miles this guy has actually put on the pump.
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 12:38:12 pm
There isn't really, there's a bit of blind faith involved. It crossed my mind too when I picked mine up second hand. You've just got to decide if you trust the seller and go from there.Ok cheers I will do.Yes, that makes sense. Also make a habit of checking your follower for wear (if you don't already) in the future. It'll wear faster with the uprated pump than with a standard pump.Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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I suppose the other thing is there isn't anyway of knowing how many miles this guy has actually put on the pump.
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Although I'd take a bet that the number of fully-working, reasonable-mileage pumps outnumber any truly dodgy ones by a considerable margin. And the same goes for honest sellers vs dodgy dealers. Probability is on your side!
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 12:43:35 pm
Cheers for the advise. Think I'm going to just go for it and buy it. He has sent me some photos but again doesn't really show how many miles have bee put on it.There isn't really, there's a bit of blind faith involved. It crossed my mind too when I picked mine up second hand. You've just got to decide if you trust the seller and go from there.Ok cheers I will do.Yes, that makes sense. Also make a habit of checking your follower for wear (if you don't already) in the future. It'll wear faster with the uprated pump than with a standard pump.Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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I suppose the other thing is there isn't anyway of knowing how many miles this guy has actually put on the pump.
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Although I'd take a bet that the number of fully-working, reasonable-mileage pumps outnumber any truly dodgy ones by a considerable margin. And the same goes for honest sellers vs dodgy dealers. Probability is on your side!
I do suppose you know a part number for the seal do you? Managed to order the follower but no seal!
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 12:54:04 pm
I don't know the part number, sorry. I had mine fitted at Statller (well-respected VAG tuner) so I assume any new o-rings and things were done there and then!Cheers for the advise. Think I'm going to just go for it and buy it. He has sent me some photos but again doesn't really show how many miles have bee put on it.There isn't really, there's a bit of blind faith involved. It crossed my mind too when I picked mine up second hand. You've just got to decide if you trust the seller and go from there.Ok cheers I will do.Yes, that makes sense. Also make a habit of checking your follower for wear (if you don't already) in the future. It'll wear faster with the uprated pump than with a standard pump.Sounds good to me. If it's as advertised then it's a very good deal.He also suggested when I fit it to put in a new cam follower and o ring seal for the pump?
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I suppose the other thing is there isn't anyway of knowing how many miles this guy has actually put on the pump.
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Although I'd take a bet that the number of fully-working, reasonable-mileage pumps outnumber any truly dodgy ones by a considerable margin. And the same goes for honest sellers vs dodgy dealers. Probability is on your side!
I do suppose you know a part number for the seal do you? Managed to order the follower but no seal!
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As for the pump, on the blue Loba plaque there should be a build number - theoretically you should be able to suss out its age and if it all adds up. Can you request a more detailed photo of that from the seller? Then maybe post it up here and some of the more knowledgeable members can shed some light on it. Maybe start a 'Tell me about this Loba pump' thread or something. Or even contact Loba themselves. I didn't do all this, it didn't really occur to me at the time, but thinking about it again it might go some way towards safeguarding any deal.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 01:00:48 pm
That's a good idea mate think I will do that ! Cheers again!
If I do get the pump it looks like I will be buying the rs4 return valve and going stage 2+ !
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 01:17:34 pm
No worries I managed to find it in the end.Yeah with a k04 the RS4 valve is a good supporting mod. I got one in when I had a set of refurbed injectors fitted so I'm future-proofed if and when I go k04!
That's a good idea mate think I will do that ! Cheers again!
If I do get the pump it looks like I will be buying the rs4 return valve and going stage 2+ !
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2+ will be a huge transformation over your current map. Buckets of torque.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 01:20:06 pm
What exactly does it do just keep the fuel pressure up?No worries I managed to find it in the end.Yeah with a k04 the RS4 valve is a good supporting mod. I got one in when I had a set of refurbed injectors fitted so I'm future-proofed if and when I go k04!
That's a good idea mate think I will do that ! Cheers again!
If I do get the pump it looks like I will be buying the rs4 return valve and going stage 2+ !
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2+ will be a huge transformation over your current map. Buckets of torque.
Yeah I'm looking forward to it even if it is through the front wheels !
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 01:25:53 pm
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 01:37:12 pm
Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 01:44:33 pm
I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 01:51:22 pm
You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 02:03:57 pm
Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 02:22:41 pm
I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 02:40:46 pm
I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 06:19:22 pm
Im pretty happy with my ps3's but I'm keen to try the ps4's when I'm due some new ones.I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
I've started a thread in the loba pump so we will see what comes about it.
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Post by: AJP on March 12, 2017, 06:24:37 pm
Cool. Good luck with it bud. Like I said, there's a 99% chance you'll be fine but it doesn't hurt to check. Those PS3s won't last long once you've got full boost from that k04!Im pretty happy with my ps3's but I'm keen to try the ps4's when I'm due some new ones.I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
I've started a thread in the loba pump so we will see what comes about it.
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Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 12, 2017, 06:26:07 pm
Thanks again mate.Cool. Good luck with it bud. Like I said, there's a 99% chance you'll be fine but it doesn't hurt to check. Those PS3s won't last long once you've got full boost from that k04!Im pretty happy with my ps3's but I'm keen to try the ps4's when I'm due some new ones.I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
I've started a thread in the loba pump so we will see what comes about it.
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Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 17, 2017, 10:07:51 am
Hi mate, do you think I will need an intercooler? Someone mentioned I could suffer from heat soak? I've spent so much money already and insurance won't insure with intercooler (as crazy as it sounds). It's only additional hardware on r tech website.Cool. Good luck with it bud. Like I said, there's a 99% chance you'll be fine but it doesn't hurt to check. Those PS3s won't last long once you've got full boost from that k04!Im pretty happy with my ps3's but I'm keen to try the ps4's when I'm due some new ones.I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
I've started a thread in the loba pump so we will see what comes about it.
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Post by: Shoduchi on March 17, 2017, 11:08:30 am
A S3 IC being an OEM part might pass unnoticed and will benefit the cooling a lot. :wink:
I think it costs around £200-250 and you might find an used one for sale.
Post by: AJP on March 17, 2017, 01:44:57 pm
You don't need one like you would if you lived on the equator. An S3 cooler would be nice to have, and would undoubtedly open up a few more ponies when you get the map. But you could run a slightly tamer map with your standard cooler. Speak to Niki about it if you can - he's the best person to advise on what hardware will work with his maps.Hi mate, do you think I will need an intercooler? Someone mentioned I could suffer from heat soak? I've spent so much money already and insurance won't insure with intercooler (as crazy as it sounds). It's only additional hardware on r tech website.Cool. Good luck with it bud. Like I said, there's a 99% chance you'll be fine but it doesn't hurt to check. Those PS3s won't last long once you've got full boost from that k04!Im pretty happy with my ps3's but I'm keen to try the ps4's when I'm due some new ones.I didn't notice much difference from the insert to be honest. I get the impression full replacement mounts would be the way to go. Not cheap though. If anything, the insert helps to prevent flex on the downpipe, so it serves its purpose.I am really looking forward to the new map. I'm fairly new to tuning considering my previous car was a 75bhp polo and I'm always wondering how tuning affects the overall reliability of the car.Theoretically you shouldn't feel much of a performance increase from the pump until it's mapped to request more fuel, but in practice you really do. Along with the BCS and other bolt ons you'll definitely feel it. Then after the 2+ map it'll be like a different car.You think it will be noticeable after fitting them even before the remap?I think it's an inlet manifold off job. Bit more involved than the pump. But get them both fitted at the same time, no reason not to.Basically, yeah. The standard valve opens at a lower pressure. So it just helps maintain the higher pressure that the Loba is capable of producing.Oh right ok I get it. Guessing it would make sense to get the pump fitted at the same time as the return valve from a labour point of view?
Niki's 2+ maps (on the k04 at least) are apparently very tractable, with 1:1 throttle mapping etc. So you should be able to get the power down nicely with a tempered right foot! Obviously good tyres, suspension etc all help. Once you're up into 3rd you should be able to go WOT. And take off!
That's reassuring. My mate has just bought an s3 8p and that thing sticks to the road like glue! But as impressive as it is it's a bit too tame. I like a bit of drama when I'm driving!
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Yeah I often crave AWD, but 2WD has its perks. Once you're rolling it's plenty of fun. Things are warming up a bit now too, so traction's less of an issue. In the middle of winter though, anything down past 6 degrees or so, it's a bit silly - mine will spin up in 3rd, and I'm on decent tyres!
Yeah I know what you mean, my friend invited me out for a drive even in the rain and I have to decline as I wouldn't enjoy it much.
Also planned on getting an anti lift kit at some point which should help. Which tyres are you running? I'm currently on Michelin ps3's.
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Anti lift is on my to-do list. I'm hoping to get some coilovers so might do it at the same time.
Maybe look into uprated engine mounts too. They'll make a big difference in terms of reducing wheel hop and helping with power delivery.
I'm on PS4 at the front and Super Sport on the back. Had Super Sport all round but they'd jumped in price when I'd got through the fronts, so tried PS4. They're good. Really not far behind the Super Sports.
PS3 are maybe a bit more of an all-rounder, but still a good tyre. See how you go. When you need new ones, there's the new PS4S (not to be confused with the normal PS4) which is pretty much the replacement for the Super Sport.
Yeah wheel hop really makes me cringe! Did you notice much difference from the lower engine mount insert that came with your bcs?
So are the ps4s ones considered the latest and greatest?
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Yeah PS4S are apparently a step up from PS4. To be honest though I'm really happy with PS4. I doubt PS4S or Super Sport really give you that much more grip in general road use - maybe for a dedicated track car they're worth the extra cost.
I've started a thread in the loba pump so we will see what comes about it.
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Post by: Shoduchi on March 17, 2017, 05:00:45 pm
Post by: pudding on March 21, 2017, 10:53:04 am
Post by: Shoduchi on March 21, 2017, 03:58:15 pm
Just get a 6R intercooler with OEM hoses. Plastic ends, all bolts in like factory and looks no different to a GTI part......to the untrained eye. Clued up insurance assessors will spot the alloy end tanks of the older S3 part.That's very true. :smiley:
Post by: AJP on March 21, 2017, 07:04:54 pm
Is the 6R cooler definitely the same thing as an S3 cooler then (apart from the end tanks) in terms of core depth etc?Just get a 6R intercooler with OEM hoses. Plastic ends, all bolts in like factory and looks no different to a GTI part......to the untrained eye. Clued up insurance assessors will spot the alloy end tanks of the older S3 part.That's very true. :smiley:
I mentioned the 6R one when I was at Statller a while ago and Steve said something along the lines of it not being much thicker than a GTI cooler. I didn't mention the S3 cooler, but from what he said it gave me the impression the 6R cooler wasn't quite up to the level of the S3 cooler in terms of performance.
But in reality then it's just the alloy end tanks, and the core is essentially the same between 6R and S3? Any other reason an S3 cooler might be better?
Post by: Shoduchi on March 21, 2017, 07:34:05 pm
Post by: AJP on March 21, 2017, 09:43:31 pm
@Pudding (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10733) researched well about this. The new gen S3 8P shares the same IC with the Golf 6R. The new gen IC has a new core design to improve flow. The old gen has the alloy ends and, from what I was told from a local guy, it performs better than the new gen IC (he has a Scirocco R and replaced the IC). For the needs of a stock 6R and S3 the new gen is enough, so it should be good for 350 BHP, so much better than the GTI stock IC and won't look much different. :smiley:Thanks for the info mate. 6R coolers do seem to be available for a bit less than the old alloy S3 version, so it's good to know it's a worthwhile option.
Post by: pudding on March 22, 2017, 10:49:19 am
The thing with me - which I know goes against the grain with a lot of people - is I trust the car maker more than aftermarket tuners. If VAG felt it was fine to drop the alloy ends and still produce the same power, then it's also fine by me. Don't forget the newer S3 and Golf 7R make 300+ on the same plastic ended intercooler. And also remember the intercooler is partially obscured by the a/c condenser and bumper, so it's surface area is not 100% exposed to the airflow.
You only have to do your own data logging of the IAT sensor to see what happens in the real world. When idling, the IAT temps soar very quickly. Is this heat soak? No it isn't. This is a compromise from fitting the IAT sensor so close to the intake valves and downstream of the (closed) throttle plate. Combustion reversion quickly heats the sensor up and is a false reading. As soon as you open the throttle, the airflow cools the sensor down immediately and you get a true reading again.
Where you will see heat soak is on hard WOT pulls at 5000rpm and above. If the temps rise rapidly here and the recovery is also very slow after coming off the gas, you need a better intercooler. I have done this analysis on my Stage 1 eddy both in summer and winter and the 6R intercooler is more than up to the job for a road car :happy2: Track work puts a bigger demand on the intercooler, but it's always a compromise between increased lag, cost and ease of fitment.
Post by: Shoduchi on March 22, 2017, 12:18:11 pm
I also prefer OEM parts in most occasions but I know some aftermarket companies make better parts than OEM. I think it's still possible to source an alloy ended S3 IC for less than £550 from Germany. An used item in good condition would also perform well.
Even with a big IC I'm sure the GFB DV+ reduces lag a lot when doing multiple accelerations. But I agree that on the 1st WOT the lag will be bigger with a bigger IC. :smiley:
Post by: pudding on March 22, 2017, 02:07:03 pm
I just go by dealer prices for consistency & convenience, but yep, obviously things can be sourced cheaper if you shop around :)
Agreed. If I went aftermarket it would probably be a Wagner intercooler, if it could be clearly shown my 6R one is holding back the party :)
Post by: Shoduchi on March 22, 2017, 02:41:11 pm
I know my IC isn't the best available in the market but so far it hasn't been an issue performance wise with my current tune. I haven't seen a worrying IAT during hot days in the Summer (even when the exterior temperature is near 40ºC). It cost me £360 + £60 for the bigger silicone pipes. With better fuel my tuner could make it more aggressive and request more boost from the turbo, which would increase the IAT.
Post by: pudding on March 22, 2017, 02:56:58 pm
Anyway, I digress. I'm glad you are happy with your setup :happy2:
Post by: Shoduchi on March 22, 2017, 04:10:17 pm
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 24, 2017, 01:42:49 pm
I think that is the key to it personally - building for purpose. I'm seeing more and more Stage 2 and 2+ people blowing engines and turbos on the facebook group, so what you said there about requesting too much boost is spot on. I don't get it personally. Even 350hp is pushing it on these engines and is VERY fast for a GTI road car, but people want 400, and it's just not sustainable with a K04. Something has to give. It's better to run a TTE420 at lower boost and make the power far more efficiently instead of spinning a K04 way out of it's efficiency zone. All it's doing is baking the intercooler and destroying it's thrust bearings.350bhp pushing it on a K04? I've a;ways heard these can safely handle 400. Got me having second thoughts about my stage 2+
Anyway, I digress. I'm glad you are happy with your setup :happy2:
Post by: Shoduchi on March 24, 2017, 02:05:28 pm
350bhp pushing it on a K04? I've a;ways heard these can safely handle 400. Got me having second thoughts about my stage 2+
They can't handle 400 BHP safely without WMI or without +100 octane petrol. In some European countries you can get 102 octane petrol on petrol stations, for example.
Post by: pudding on March 24, 2017, 02:05:59 pm
I think that is the key to it personally - building for purpose. I'm seeing more and more Stage 2 and 2+ people blowing engines and turbos on the facebook group, so what you said there about requesting too much boost is spot on. I don't get it personally. Even 350hp is pushing it on these engines and is VERY fast for a GTI road car, but people want 400, and it's just not sustainable with a K04. Something has to give. It's better to run a TTE420 at lower boost and make the power far more efficiently instead of spinning a K04 way out of it's efficiency zone. All it's doing is baking the intercooler and destroying it's thrust bearings.350bhp pushing it on a K04? I've a;ways heard these can safely handle 400. Got me having second thoughts about my stage 2+
Anyway, I digress. I'm glad you are happy with your setup :happy2:
I'll rephrase it as being the comfortable limit for long term reliability :smiley:
400 is right on the ragged edge and you need a lot of extra hardware to get there. Not worth it against the chance of smashing a ring land imo. Better off running a BT at lower boost to make the same power, and definitely fit uprated rods and pistons if going for 400.
Again, this is just my conservative side looking for the best reliability / power compromise, but a lot of people do run stage 2+ without problems, but then again, every week on the facebook group I see someone else with smoky turbos and broken pistons.
Post by: Shoduchi on March 24, 2017, 02:37:25 pm
Post by: AJP on March 24, 2017, 07:56:21 pm
That said, I do believe it can be done safely, on a BYD to some extent, but certainly on a CDL. So much of it is down to the mapping. It's not really peak power that's the concern, more the boost/torque delivery. If things are kept sensible at high loads (ie a progressive/flat torque curve rather than letting the boost go through the roof at low-mid revs) it's generally easy and safe to reach pub figures like 400bhp with a hybrid and one of the stronger blocks.
The caveat to all that - in my case at least - is that if and when I go k04 on my baby BWA it'll be done to a very conservative level, with a sensible torque curve, like you guys mention. So 340-350bhp peak power, and peak torque of maybe 360bhp max. A good mapper could quite easily squeeze almost 400lb/ft out of a k04, but on a BWA.... I'd be worried about it all going wrong, however many success stories there were out there!
Post by: pudding on March 29, 2017, 11:37:47 am
Switchable maps are nice if people remember to use them!
Post by: Lucastheone92 on March 29, 2017, 04:03:59 pm
Part of the problem is tuners are pushing the turbo hard on 99 RON fuel, and then customers go and fill up with 95 RON because they are ignorant about fuel types. With those kind of cylinder pressures, a slight bit of knock is sometimes all it takes. At that pressure and rpm, your chances of the ECU responding to it and taking counter measures quickly enough are slim to non existent. Bye bye piston(s).Why are switchable maps nice? I never change from my max r tech remap.
Switchable maps are nice if people remember to use them!