MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DBXdarkangel on October 11, 2017, 03:36:45 pm
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Hi, I had my gear oil changed at my local garage and since then I've noticed the gears ate notching and someone stiff to change.. I asked my local VW Dealers for a price on supplying me with new OEM oil and this is there reply.
"I have been passed on your email address in response to your enquiry about Gearbox oil. It appears your vehicle is a manual gearbox and they are sealed for life so don’t have a real need to have the oil changed at all. It isn’t recommended to open the sealed gearboxes.
Kind regards
Ryan Etches
Parts Advisor
Murray Volkswagen"
2 questions, is this correct and if so then how did my local garage change it??
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That is correct.
DSG are serviced but that's a different story.
It should not be opened for servicing and the last mechanic that opened it shouldn't have.
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Part no. G 052 171 A2.
Takes 2.5 litres IIRC, so you'll need 3 bottles. It's expensive stuff.....about £15 per bottle IIRC.
It's the best oil for the manual box. Everything else just ruins the shift quality.
Your garage probably just stuck some generic Castrol gear from Halfords in it.
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Is that the febi bilstein 21829 Gear Oil
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No it's dealer oil
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Oh cos when I Googled the part number is shows me febi bilstein 21829 Gear Oil as the equivalent. Don't think the dealer is gonna supply me it when I asked..
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Darkside sell the right stuff - have just done mine and it shifts quicker than the Millers in there before. Also added their solid bushes and an s3 shifter, all worthwhile.
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I bought the correct stuff from my VW dealer no problem but as stated its not cheap but you don't have to change it too often.
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I bought the correct stuff from my VW dealer no problem but as stated its not cheap but you don't have to change it too often.
How much was it off hand.. I've found a vw parts online for £13.22 Inc VAT
Genuine VW Audi Gearbox Oil G052911A1.. plus £4.95 shipping. So about £45 for 3ltrs
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This is interesting because I had my DSG gearbox oil changed by VW main dealers st 65,000 miles and I am suspicious that they didn't change it charging £199 and they did the job very quickly within a few hours. I checked my battery housing bolt for them to get to the filter and didnt look like it was removed at all. Is there anyway to find out if they did change the oil at all!? I was also told that I wouldn't need another DSG service for another 60,000miles i.e. 2-3 years
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The parts department at your dealership will happily sell it to you. As already mentioned buy genuine only, not some Febi equivalent. It's not the same stuff and will ruin the cold shifting of your gearbox. Buy 3 litres, sure its up to about £18 a litre now but if you only do it once in your ownership, its well worth it
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Just been quoted £23 a ltr from the main dealer Inc vat so £69 for the oil.. ouch!!
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As already mentioned, Darkside sell the correct stuff for less £s than that - https://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/genuine-transmission-oil-for-6-speed-manual-02m-02q-g-052-171-a2.html
Please don't use anything other than that otherwise you're throwing good money after bad. It's a special thin oil to get these boxes to shift properly.
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As already mentioned, Darkside sell the correct stuff for less £s than that - https://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/genuine-transmission-oil-for-6-speed-manual-02m-02q-g-052-171-a2.html
Please don't use anything other than that otherwise you're throwing good money after bad. It's a special thin oil to get these boxes to shift properly.
Just tried darkside and it's 17.50 a bottle plus £6 shipping plus 11.50 vat so total cos for 3 bottles is £70.50
Might as well goto a dealer near me. :/
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As already mentioned, Darkside sell the correct stuff for less £s than that - https://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/genuine-transmission-oil-for-6-speed-manual-02m-02q-g-052-171-a2.html
Please don't use anything other than that otherwise you're throwing good money after bad. It's a special thin oil to get these boxes to shift properly.
Just tried darkside and it's 17.50 a bottle plus £6 shipping plus 11.50 vat so total cos for 3 bottles is £70.50
Might as well goto a dealer near me. :/
Ah OK, I thought their prices included VAT! Dealer it is then! 70 quid isn't a lot to get your shift quality back :smiley:
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Lol your not wrong there matey. Gonna get 3 bottles tmr then see about changing it.. need to see what tool I need as I've seen there either an allen key or a spline nut.
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My 07 plate has the allen key drain/fill plugs (13mm iirc).
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Mines an 05 plate.
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You will need a spline tool mate https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/130668434650
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Depends on the box, mines a 10mm hex/allen key
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Oh cos when I Googled the part number is shows me febi bilstein 21829 Gear Oil as the equivalent. Don't think the dealer is gonna supply me it when I asked..
So is the Febi Bilstein stuff no good then? :scared:
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No. Cheap sh*te they claim is the same stuff or just as good. It's not.
Buy genuine. Do it once, do it properly
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No. Cheap sh*te they claim is the same stuff or just as good. It's not.
Buy genuine. Do it once, do it properly
Ha, thought so... thanks mate! Off to the stealership then, see what they'll do me for trade.
3 litres yeah? And apart from the spline tools, which I have, there's nothing else you need is there? No flushes etc., or replacement seals/plugs/washers?
Cheers.
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Hang on a minute, isn't the Fuchs stuff made for VW? This: Fuchs Titan Sintofluid FE SAE 75W is recommended on their website? Dealerships just re-badge it :smiley:
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Is there a guide on changing the oil anywhere ?
I've noticed I've had a slow leak from the bottom of my gearbox - might consider changing oil then the plug bolt too.
Any guides/thoughts/recommendations ?
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Is there a guide on changing the oil anywhere ?
I've noticed I've had a slow leak from the bottom of my gearbox - might consider changing oil then the plug bolt too.
Any guides/thoughts/recommendations ?
That's a good point actually, probably the best time to change them, like you do with a regular oil change...
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The genuine oil is the stuff to use. Nothing else compares to it.
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The genuine oil is the stuff to use. Nothing else compares to it.
I hear you, and I'm the same but by all accounts, in my case anyway, the Fuchs stuff I I've linked too is exactly the same stuff that goes into the Stealership bottles...
It's like saying you only want a genuine VAG oil filter from them, VAG don't actually manufacture anything themselves service-wise, they have a supplier, Mann the last time I checked, and just put their stamp on things :wink:
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Where do they recommend using anything other than their own oil? and do you have any proof that it is the same stuff? I highly doubt it is and would not be persuaded otherwise without proof.
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Where do they recommend using anything other than their own oil? and do you have any proof that it is the same stuff? I highly doubt it is and would not be persuaded otherwise without proof.
Ha, hope I haven't opened a can of worms here... the source of this 'info' was the owner of my local dealership, a few years back he was telling my Dad, a Merc owner, about all the different suppliers/manufacturers etc. and that if bought directly, basically not from him, you would make a saving on service items - and that was from the owner of the place, so go figure :surprised:
I distinctly remember him saying that Fuchs supplied most of his groups fluids - at the time Audi, Merc and VW. I use the branded stuff VW recommend but where they don't I use Fuchs.
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Fuchs do make great oils. Silkolene/Titan Race is really good stuff but VAG have always worked with Castrol for engine and gear oils, unless that's changed recently?
Got no problem using their engine oils, but the O2Q gearbox is notoriously picky with oil. The VAG oil has been proven by lab analysis and day-to-day use to be the best there is.
It may be just as good, potentially, the price difference isn't big enough to justify moving away from what I know works, on a whim, only for it to be crap and have to drain it and put VAG oil back in again. Not worth the hassle.
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Thanks Pudding, I think I'm going to see how it goes... my motor is ten years old, 50k on the clock and the oil has never been done, according to my service documentation. It could be a case of 'buy cheap, buy twice' but we'll see :smiley:
I use Castrol engine oil on VAG's guidance and that appears to work great.