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Title: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 21, 2017, 01:08:33 am
Hi guys longtime no post as I've been busy on face crap but would like some input if you will on how much adjustment I will get with adjustable ball joints please?.

Thanks
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: colesey on October 21, 2017, 05:50:36 am
The neg camber outcome will also depend on how much you have lowered your car however I am getting 1.5 degrees with the VWR springs / damper kit.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: jhook661 on October 21, 2017, 07:25:00 am
Hi guys longtime no post as I've been busy on face crap but would like some input if you will on how much adjustment I will get with adjustable ball joints please?.

Thanks
I got around 2 degrees to 2.4 last time I had my tracking done ,I have mine set up at -1.5 for road use.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: fab5freddy on October 21, 2017, 08:05:27 am
The neg camber outcome will also depend on how much you have lowered your car however I am getting 1.5 degrees with the VWR springs / damper kit.

^^^^ This
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: colesey on October 21, 2017, 09:05:31 am
Hi guys longtime no post as I've been busy on face crap but would like some input if you will on how much adjustment I will get with adjustable ball joints please?.

Thanks
I got around 2 degrees to 2.4 last time I had my tracking done ,I have mine set up at -1.5 for road use.

Do you have adjustable top mounts also?
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 21, 2017, 10:44:24 am
Cheers guys, just curious how far I can go without prematurely wearing the tyres down would be a great help?.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: colesey on October 21, 2017, 02:16:05 pm
I’m not sure there is a definitive answer to this question. Obviously the more camber, the more inner edge wear however whether this is premature will also depend on your mileage, how hard you corner, tyre pressures and also your expectations on what wear is acceptable. 

I was recommended to aim for 2-2.25 deg but to expect tramlining and uneven tyre wear, however when the bjs were fitted we could only achieve 1.5 equally on each side. Haven’t done sufficient mileage since then to form a view on how the tyres are wearing but would say that it drives nicely on these settings. Fwiw have also used a small amount of toe out both front and rear.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: Stig_gti on October 21, 2017, 02:36:40 pm
I only got -1.5 as well superpro bjs anymore I think you need tt alloy arms or adjustable top mounts.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 21, 2017, 03:46:06 pm
I’m not sure there is a definitive answer to this question. Obviously the more camber, the more inner edge wear however whether this is premature will also depend on your mileage, how hard you corner, tyre pressures and also your expectations on what wear is acceptable. 

I was recommended to aim for 2-2.25 deg but to expect tramlining and uneven tyre wear, however when the bjs were fitted we could only achieve 1.5 equally on each side. Haven’t done sufficient mileage since then to form a view on how the tyres are wearing but would say that it drives nicely on these settings. Fwiw have also used a small amount of toe out both front and rear.
Im trying to find a way to keep them ball joints as far away from the discs as possible as the brake set up I tried once fouled the disc and Ball joint so thinking the super pro adjustables will solve this issue.

(https://image.ibb.co/jKZ136/IMG_2946.png)
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 21, 2017, 03:49:21 pm
I only got -1.5 as well superpro bjs anymore I think you need tt alloy arms or adjustable top mounts.
I don't want to start buying things and they don't work so why do you say tt alloy arms and what's the difference between them and S3 alloy arms which I have now
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: Stig_gti on October 21, 2017, 05:44:17 pm
Tt arms are wider push the wheels out slightly more give you wider stance.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: pudding on October 21, 2017, 06:49:51 pm
I’m not sure there is a definitive answer to this question. Obviously the more camber, the more inner edge wear however whether this is premature will also depend on your mileage, how hard you corner, tyre pressures and also your expectations on what wear is acceptable. 

I was recommended to aim for 2-2.25 deg but to expect tramlining and uneven tyre wear, however when the bjs were fitted we could only achieve 1.5 equally on each side. Haven’t done sufficient mileage since then to form a view on how the tyres are wearing but would say that it drives nicely on these settings. Fwiw have also used a small amount of toe out both front and rear.
Im trying to find a way to keep them ball joints as far away from the discs as possible as the brake set up I tried once fouled the disc and Ball joint so thinking the super pro adjustables will solve this issue.

(https://image.ibb.co/jKZ136/IMG_2946.png)

SP BJs won't solve that I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: Stig_gti on October 21, 2017, 09:16:42 pm
What’s brakes you running mate and disc size.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 22, 2017, 12:58:57 am
I’m not sure there is a definitive answer to this question. Obviously the more camber, the more inner edge wear however whether this is premature will also depend on your mileage, how hard you corner, tyre pressures and also your expectations on what wear is acceptable. 

I was recommended to aim for 2-2.25 deg but to expect tramlining and uneven tyre wear, however when the bjs were fitted we could only achieve 1.5 equally on each side. Haven’t done sufficient mileage since then to form a view on how the tyres are wearing but would say that it drives nicely on these settings. Fwiw have also used a small amount of toe out both front and rear.
Im trying to find a way to keep them ball joints as far away from the discs as possible as the brake set up I tried once fouled the disc and Ball joint so thinking the super pro adjustables will solve this issue.

(https://image.ibb.co/jKZ136/IMG_2946.png)

SP BJs won't solve that I'm afraid.
what would you recommend or think will solve this if anything ? Cheers
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 22, 2017, 01:03:48 am
What’s brakes you running mate and disc size.
Atm I'm running Porsche 911 TT brakes with merc 350mm ML discs with nonossuea at all. I'm thinking of getting my revo back which are 356mm floating discs but that's the issue I'm having with BJ's rubbing the discs
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: colesey on October 22, 2017, 05:53:00 am
Maybe try the Powerflex adjustable camber front bushes instead of bjs as they give upto 1/2degree more without these brake clearance issues.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 22, 2017, 04:16:37 pm
Maybe try the Powerflex adjustable camber front bushes instead of bjs as they give upto 1/2degree more without these brake clearance issues.
I am using super pro ALK mate, I'm looking for clearance for the bj's.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: pudding on October 23, 2017, 12:26:03 pm
I’m not sure there is a definitive answer to this question. Obviously the more camber, the more inner edge wear however whether this is premature will also depend on your mileage, how hard you corner, tyre pressures and also your expectations on what wear is acceptable. 

I was recommended to aim for 2-2.25 deg but to expect tramlining and uneven tyre wear, however when the bjs were fitted we could only achieve 1.5 equally on each side. Haven’t done sufficient mileage since then to form a view on how the tyres are wearing but would say that it drives nicely on these settings. Fwiw have also used a small amount of toe out both front and rear.
Im trying to find a way to keep them ball joints as far away from the discs as possible as the brake set up I tried once fouled the disc and Ball joint so thinking the super pro adjustables will solve this issue.

(https://image.ibb.co/jKZ136/IMG_2946.png)

SP BJs won't solve that I'm afraid.
what would you recommend or think will solve this if anything ? Cheers

Grinding the ball joint is the only fix for that.......or use a brake disc with more offset.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: rich83 on October 23, 2017, 01:03:35 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: Shoduchi on October 23, 2017, 02:12:50 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger

I've had that experience and no safe griding of the SuperPro ball joints was enough to solve it. Even the S3/Passat ball joints rub when fitting new discs. I use discs with 350 mm for MB ML450 and I also have alloy arms from the S3/Passat.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 23, 2017, 08:17:36 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 23, 2017, 08:21:10 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger

I've had that experience and no safe griding of the SuperPro ball joints was enough to solve it. Even the S3/Passat ball joints rub when fitting new discs. I use discs with 350 mm for MB ML450 and I also have alloy arms from the S3/Passat.
very tricky one here as buying all sorts of different parts and still having the problem wouldn't help matters anymore  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: rich83 on October 23, 2017, 08:29:11 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

Sadly not.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 23, 2017, 09:43:07 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

Sadly not.
Never mind cheers   :smiley:
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: pudding on October 24, 2017, 09:19:36 am
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

The adjustable part of the SP BJs is via the 3 mounting nuts to move the whole hub assembly further out for more camber.  The ball and pin part of the BJ and the disc are fixed into position and cannot be moved away from each other.   
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 24, 2017, 07:05:43 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

The adjustable part of the SP BJs is via the 3 mounting nuts to move the whole hub assembly further out for more camber.  The ball and pin part of the BJ and the disc are fixed into position and cannot be moved away from each other.
when the adjustment is made it automatically pulls the ball away from the disc is what I'm thinking tbh
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: rich83 on October 24, 2017, 08:27:11 pm
No it doesn’t.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: Shoduchi on October 24, 2017, 08:28:55 pm
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

The adjustable part of the SP BJs is via the 3 mounting nuts to move the whole hub assembly further out for more camber.  The ball and pin part of the BJ and the disc are fixed into position and cannot be moved away from each other.
when the adjustment is made it automatically pulls the ball away from the disc is what I'm thinking tbh

It doesn't work that way. The only thing that the adjustment allows is to alter the camber just a bit by extending the hubs further from the centre of the car. The hub is fixed to the ball joint which is much bigger, so it's also closer to the splash shield and brake disc.
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 24, 2017, 09:45:14 pm
No it doesn’t.
oh bugger  :doh:
SP BJ will actually make that situation worse as they are slightly wider/bigger
i would have thought they'd help as they're adjustable but no expert here

The adjustable part of the SP BJs is via the 3 mounting nuts to move the whole hub assembly further out for more camber.  The ball and pin part of the BJ and the disc are fixed into position and cannot be moved away from each other.
when the adjustment is made it automatically pulls the ball away from the disc is what I'm thinking tbh

It doesn't work that way. The only thing that the adjustment allows is to alter the camber just a bit by extending the hubs further from the centre of the car. The hub is fixed to the ball joint which is much bigger, so it's also closer to the splash shield and brake disc.
Must be some way of fitting the Revo and get clearance of the bj's  :thinking:
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: rich83 on October 24, 2017, 11:36:04 pm
Yeah there is... fit different hubs and wishbones.

I thought youd sold that kit anyway?
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 25, 2017, 01:57:44 am
Yeah there is... fit different hubs and wishbones.

I thought youd sold that kit anyway?
Thinking of getting them back as the brake pedal feel was amazing in comparison to the Porsche set up I have and I mean amazing  :jumping:
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: rich83 on October 25, 2017, 09:10:48 am
No point.... just get some TTRS calipers and 340mm discs and be done with it  :happy2:
Title: Re: Super pro adjustable ball joints
Post by: r5gtt on October 25, 2017, 10:42:18 am
Cheers mate less hassle too  :signLOL: