Post by: ald1717 on April 14, 2022, 06:32:04 pm
thinking of a possible change when insurance is up in a couple of months but have yet to test one, im guessing with the same stage of tune it will be light years ahead in every way, but it would be nice to hear from someone that has driven one compared to their mk5
Post by: Sebas_theFish on April 15, 2022, 04:01:53 am
. Stock 2015 DSG.
Post by: ald1717 on April 15, 2022, 08:27:36 am
Yeah I own oneand have you also owned or driven a gti ? how do they compare
Post by: Sebas_theFish on April 15, 2022, 08:52:08 am
The stage 1 Mk7 was more impressive it pulled hard and was more immediate in it's power delivery than the R and didn't have the sudden turbo surge like you get with the stock R.
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Post by: pudding on April 15, 2022, 11:35:49 am
Likes: Build quality (compared to MK5, but not as good as equivalent Audi), variable ratio rack, refinement, ride comfort, brakes and midrange grunt.
Dislikes: Infotainment system, numb steering (less feedback than MK5), gearbox and cost cutting (plastic sump, 5 door only, limited choice of colours, pressed steel instead of alloy etc etc).
They can be improved upon, plenty of potential, especially with a Turbo Technics upgrade, but as standard I wasn't blown away. Might make a good project car when they drop into the £15Ks.
Post by: titchy on April 15, 2022, 11:41:43 am
Post by: pudding on April 15, 2022, 11:55:35 am
Post by: ald1717 on April 15, 2022, 06:15:22 pm
Post by: FatWelshBoy on April 15, 2022, 06:39:09 pm
Post by: ald1717 on April 15, 2022, 07:55:38 pm
I had a 67 plate 7.5R DSG before my Ed30. I never really took to it and I'd buy the GTI over a R every time.stock or modded?
Post by: FatWelshBoy on April 15, 2022, 09:02:29 pm
I had a 67 plate 7.5R DSG before my Ed30. I never really took to it and I'd buy the GTI over a R every time.stock or modded?
Stock, been in a couple of stage 1 R and they just don't do anything for me. They are quick but not what you'd expect from 380 bhp, the AWD saps a fair bit of power. I wouldn't remap on a stock turbo anyway, would always be nervous of it failing. If 0-60 is your thing you'll love an R but if 40 onwards is your thing then you might be disappointed.
Post by: breeze on April 16, 2022, 07:52:12 am
The only issue is that they seem to need a clutch as soon as you tune, which is less of an issue on a K03 MK5.
My sister has a 1.5 (I think?) DSG 7.5 and I think it is great for a non performance car.
Post by: ald1717 on April 16, 2022, 09:20:00 am
dont they use haldex which only drives rear when front slip meaning when you have traction its still front wheel only?I had a 67 plate 7.5R DSG before my Ed30. I never really took to it and I'd buy the GTI over a R every time.stock or modded?
Stock, been in a couple of stage 1 R and they just don't do anything for me. They are quick but not what you'd expect from 380 bhp, the AWD saps a fair bit of power. I wouldn't remap on a stock turbo anyway, would always be nervous of it failing. If 0-60 is your thing you'll love an R but if 40 onwards is your thing then you might be disappointed.
Post by: LC5F on April 16, 2022, 10:51:58 am
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/technology/transmissions-and-drivetrains/4motion.html (https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/technology/transmissions-and-drivetrains/4motion.html)
Not sure what Pudding was saying about only available in 4 door - unless referring to GTE or newer Mk8 - personally I covet a 3 door in this spec - but agree 4WD would be excessive:
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Post by: FatWelshBoy on April 16, 2022, 12:25:44 pm
dont they use haldex which only drives rear when front slip meaning when you have traction its still front wheel only?I had a 67 plate 7.5R DSG before my Ed30. I never really took to it and I'd buy the GTI over a R every time.stock or modded?
Stock, been in a couple of stage 1 R and they just don't do anything for me. They are quick but not what you'd expect from 380 bhp, the AWD saps a fair bit of power. I wouldn't remap on a stock turbo anyway, would always be nervous of it failing. If 0-60 is your thing you'll love an R but if 40 onwards is your thing then you might be disappointed.
The prop shaft is always spinning, the Haldex at the rear engages it when needed. To give you some idea my 300 bhp Ed30 pulls a decent gap on a 300 bhp R.
Post by: ald1717 on April 16, 2022, 08:17:43 pm
Post by: FatWelshBoy on April 16, 2022, 08:53:50 pm
wouldnt that be down to the 150kg weight reduction if it did?
Weight reduction and additional whp. Don't get me wrong the 7R is a very competent car but I'd never class it as a fun car to own. I went for a 7.5R instead of aM140i and massively regret it.
Post by: ald1717 on April 16, 2022, 11:20:41 pm
but just seems pointless if you cant put the power down in the first 3 gears for b roads,
is the engine in the gti performance the same forged internal one that the r has or are the internals different?
Post by: pudding on April 17, 2022, 11:57:55 am
Not sure what Pudding was saying about only available in 4 door - unless referring to GTE or newer Mk8 - personally I covet a 3 door in this spec - but agree 4WD would be excessive:
Ah, maybe it was the MK8 they ditched the 3 door shell then. For some reason I also have it in my mind they also canned the 5 door on very late MK7.5s?
Definitely can get early Rs in s door :happy2:
Post by: breeze on April 17, 2022, 12:33:58 pm
Not sure what Pudding was saying about only available in 4 door - unless referring to GTE or newer Mk8 - personally I covet a 3 door in this spec - but agree 4WD would be excessive:
Ah, maybe it was the MK8 they ditched the 3 door shell then. For some reason I also have it in my mind they also canned the 5 door on very late MK7.5s?
Definitely can get early Rs in s door :happy2:
I thought they stopped offering the 3dr at the end of the production run too, along with the manual option.
Post by: Chris92 on April 21, 2022, 08:53:42 pm
Post by: pudding on April 22, 2022, 08:58:09 am
Post by: chimp400 on April 22, 2022, 07:42:17 pm
Not everyone’s cup of tea granted but we are all different.
Post by: ald1717 on April 22, 2022, 09:02:33 pm
Post by: GTImike on April 26, 2022, 09:57:53 am
It was a manual and I did not gel with it at all, everything felt a bit cheap inside - probably the awful cloth seats. I had it stage 1 tuned with a Burger Motorsports JB4/intake/exhaust and it was pretty quick but the clutch started slipping. Sadly decided enough was enough and traded it in for a new BMW X5.
The Edition 30 DSG I had prior was a far nicer car and one I kept for 8 years.
I've recently bought a 2009 Audi S3 manual for the wife and absolutely love driving it, a far better drive than the Golf R and dare I say, feels the quicker car being Stage 2 tuned and just retro enough to appreciate not having too many driver modes etc.
I'm sure a mk7 with DSG and leather seats would have been a different experience for me.
Post by: pudding on April 26, 2022, 03:03:22 pm
MK6 is without a shadow of a doubt the best made Golf to date.
S3s deliver the goods but dear god are they one of the blandest cars to look at.
Post by: ald1717 on April 26, 2022, 06:11:41 pm
MK7 onwards is definitely a cheaply made car for sure, and VW made no effort to hide the fact! Deletion of the gas strut in favour of a 1980s bonnet prop, no brake pad wear sensor on MK8 GTI (just a dummy plug), cheaper materials for rear seat passengers, cheaply made chassis components, flimsy rubber engine cover on the MK8 which is apparently now a fire risk :grin: And on and on it goes. Prices way up, but less in return.....and people still keep buying the damn things in droves :stupid:and drive buy all accounts, all the reviews ive seen which compare the s3, golf r, and focus rs, a45, ect all say the same about the s3 its the best built and fast in straight line but light steering and no feel, and ontop of that terrible understeer, its a shame because if it handled better it could be the perfect all round car,
MK6 is without a shadow of a doubt the best made Golf to date.
S3s deliver the goods but dear god are they one of the blandest cars to look at.
Post by: BarryArrow on October 25, 2024, 04:35:36 pm