MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MAT ED30 on January 08, 2009, 03:33:02 pm
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Looks like i might be getting this in 5th and 6th gear and not all the time just once in a while as the revs drop from 4k to about 3k :sad: i thought it was my tyres but have just put 2 new ones on the front so i cant be that. So has any one else had this happen to them as mine has just clocked 28k on a 57plate, so guys running bigger power ie stage 2 and 2+ your clutches must be having fun :driver: . My car is in for a service on wednesday so they are going to have a look at it but i told them it only does it in 5th and 6th above 80 so i dont want your techs getting in it and ragging the sh1t out of it :driver: :rolleye:
they did say there might be a problem with it so will try and get it done for free :smiley: i hope so
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mine used to do this, but stopped and hasnt done it for about 8 months. :confused:
my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, so i have to turn the car off and start it back up, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
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mine used to do this, but stopped and hasnt done it for about 8 months. :confused:
my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, so i have to turn the car off and start it back up, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
did awesome look at it for u?
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hope it gets sorted matt. wont vw just blame it on the extra power from the map?
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map will not be on so they have no reason to think it's the power but they did say they have heard some have been iffy
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mine used to do this, but stopped and hasnt done it for about 8 months. :confused:
my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, so i have to turn the car off and start it back up, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
did awesome look at it for u?
no i forgot as it hasnt happened in a month, strange thow :confused:
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are you going bk to stock map via the select plus switch? does it stil slip in stock mode?
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Is this happening when you accelerate very hard? - It could be the clutch taking up the power and, if so, it's better than there being no-leeway (a problem Audi quattro's can have apparently). Mine used to do it occasionally (quite rare) but not so often since the remap and never (yet) since the Quaife.
It's happened to me no more than 5 times in 60k miles.
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mine used to do this, but stopped and hasnt done it for about 8 months. :confused:
my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, so i have to turn the car off and start it back up, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
sounds like limp mode, should be something logged.
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looks like it is clutch slip when the map is on :rolleye: as it is happening alot to a few guys with mapped ed30/seat cupra as awesome gti have been getting a few emails about it. I have turned the map off now and it does not slip at all even if driven hard,so the map is not going back on before i get an uprated clutch for it to handle the power and its not going down the strip at pod unless its done :sad:
so for people with a map on there ed30 be warned the stock clutch can not cope with the power or torque for long and will start to slip at some point in the future. i spoke to jonny c and his s3 did it when he the mapped K04 setup so be aware and also cohiba has started having the problem aswell as i spoke to him yesterday :sad:
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I'm really sorry to be reading of such problems but, unfortunately, I'm not that surprised.
It's generally known (unofficially) that the Germans build big strength 'tolerances' in their engineering which allows a good margin of 'headroom' for modding/tuning. However, in upgrading the GTI to the Ed30, they didn't upgrade the DSG or manual gearbox AFAIK. And so the 'headroom' has been significantly reduced and hence greater potential for problems in plus-300 territory unless other components like clutches are further modified.
VWR's 330 bhp demo GTI (not Ed30) has a competition clutch and I must say I thought I'd have difficulty with it but it's a pussycat. The short-shift gearstick is trickier sometimes, but that's just me not being used to it yet.
Perhaps VW thought that us English wouldn't be mad enough to mod the Edition 30!
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i am going for the vw racing clutch Robin and will be putting the order in next week :happy2: and they said its good for over 400bhp :smiley:
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i am going for the vw racing clutch Robin and will be putting the order in next week :happy2: and they said its good for over 400bhp :smiley:
....Good move! :happy2:
At the risk of sounding like a super-salesman for VWR, I've used them twice now and can't recommend them highly enough!
They're very honest too. My existing connector to my front ARB was rock solid and couldn't be undone. It had to be forced off and in doing so my brake hose was accidentally damaged. VWR supplied both a new link and a new ss braided hose (and appropriate brake fluid) and didn't charge me any extra to their original quote. Another workshop might have said: "Sorry sir, but we've discovered you got a broken part - It must have been like that before you came here" and then charged extra for fixing it.
As I'm sure you'll experience for yourself - You'll be in very good hands, mate.
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I guess it comes with the territory on these cars :sad:, the remaps/mods are taking the cars % wise way above stock.
I presume all the ones you are talking about are manuals?
At least its good to know VWR have a solution on hand :happy2: roughly whats the install costs?
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I guess it comes with the territory on these cars :sad:, the remaps/mods are taking the cars % wise way above stock.
I presume all the ones you are talking about are manuals?
At least its good to know VWR have a solution on hand :happy2: roughly whats the install costs?
not sure fella as i will be fitting mine :rolleye: but i would think £150 at the most
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how much is the vwr clutch? mines been running stock map for the past month so havnt had any slip. put the map back on today and give the car a good run through the gears for most of the day and there was no slip. car has only done 10k so may start experiencing more slip as the car does more miles. nt sure whethep to run mine at pod now lol.
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Matt : re-reading your original post
just once in a while as the revs drop from 4k to about 3k
I dont understand! , normally clutch slip = rev flare not drop. care to eloborate?
Also does the cupra/S3 etc all run the same clutch as the edition30?
Interesting as std S3 is 258lbft ,and 4wd can be much harder on the clutch.
Tried a search but i was unable to find the manual clutch rating.
Now you have me worried as my torque peaks at 368lb/ft which is nearly 500Nm :surprised: at the worst point in the range (from a clutch point of view)
great feel in the car but its gonna test my clutch! arghhhh damn you matt :grin:
typically as well clutches dont 'recover' once they have started slipping, it normally just gets worse at an exponential rate in my experience. But maybe the newer clutches are different ? dunno
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I did'nt want to read this, but curiosity got the better of me. My Revo maps been fine, and to be honest i haven't heard much of the clutch slip issue on ED30's so I'm gonna carry on modding. My fingers are now in my ears, my eyes are closed and im going bluh bluh bluh repeatedly to shut out all this clutch slip chat..........
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I have done about 15k on the map and most of it on the mtr way it just can't handle the torque LOL
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my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
fingers crossed down the quarter mile for me if i stand any chance !
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my turbo also stops working all together sometimes, this hasnt happend for about 1 month. :smiley:
fingers crossed down the quarter mile for me if i stand any chance !
....Yes, but your Ed30 is stock, Phil, so you shouldn't have any clutch or turbo issues.
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I don't like this thread.....it brings back bad memories :sad:
Touch wood, the car is still running fine at the moment :happy2:
Sorry to hear about the manual clutch issues cropping up too. It's like I've always said though, with modding you are always chasing the weakest link after power upgrades. :scared:
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it could be very expensive in dsg car :sad:
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It's like I've always said though, with modding you are always chasing the weakest link after power upgrades. :scared:
....And that's exactly why I'm happy to stay at less than 250 bhp (my Revo2 Boost is even turned down to 6) and to mod my car's handling.
It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
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it could be very expensive in dsg car :sad:
Too true. HPA/HGP clutch upgrades don't come cheap :laugh:
It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
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LOL, I think my line keeps getting rubbed out by someone called RedRobin :grin: :laugh:
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Think i have gone past my line in the sand, got clutch slip 3000 rpm in six . Had it maped 2900 miles ago, think i will be slipping all the way down the quarter mile at this rate. :sick:
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You'll only get to fourth on the Pod by the end of the QTR :happy2:
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You'll only get to fourth on the Pod by the end of the QTR :happy2:
but his clutch might not :signLOL: :sad:
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Matt have you had a quote on price for the vwr clutch? :smiley:
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Matt have you had a quote on price for the vwr clutch? :smiley:
Yes mate £320 ish so not that bad
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Is that it?
Thought it was going to be around £800 :signLOL:
Im in milton keynes all weekend so might pop in and have a look.
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Is that it?
Thought it was going to be around £800 :signLOL:
Im in milton keynes all weekend so might pop in and have a look.
well if you are i will see if they have a pair in and get them to put me one aside and if you go could you pick it up for us :happy2:
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Is that it?
Thought it was going to be around £800 :signLOL:
Im in milton keynes all weekend so might pop in and have a look.
....Give Mark Farmer a call first - They're not a retail shop and are usually very busy building race cars.
01908 210088
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Is that it?
Thought it was going to be around £800 :signLOL:
Im in milton keynes all weekend so might pop in and have a look.
....Give Mark Farmer a call first - They're not a retail shop and are usually very busy building race cars.
01908 210088
good point :happy2:
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Matt if you want to arrange with them for me to pick yours up then thats no problem. Wont be buying mine until mine starts showing signs of slipping, which will probably be very soon :signLOL:
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Matt if you want to arrange with them for me to pick yours up then thats no problem. Wont be buying mine until mine starts showing signs of slipping, which will probably be very soon :signLOL:
i will let you know what they say fella
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wow thats a good price, but then theres fitting to include for us mortals.
I can only hope mine stays OK!
should really be usage profile rather than miles with a remap until slipping.
I mean really, it would be rude not to fit an LSD whilst its apart :wink:
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wow thats a good price, but then theres fitting to include for us mortals.
I can only hope mine stays OK!
should really be usage profile rather than miles with a remap until slipping.
I mean really, it would be rude not to fit an LSD whilst its apart :wink:
thats if you have £1200 spare :signLOL:
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my mate in mk wil pick it up for u and i can collect it for you when i go down to his at the weekend. its only a few miles from his house. let me know matt.
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my mate in mk wil pick it up for u and i can collect it for you when i go down to his at the weekend. its only a few miles from his house. let me know matt.
i will text you fella if i need it picking up :happy2:
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Hmmm .... worrying stuff, yet another post remap issue - makes me wonder how other manufacturers such as Ford & Vauxhall can offer they cars already with aftermarket remaps from dealer without without the hassle some of us seem to be getting here.
Regards,
Gareth
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Hmmm .... worrying stuff, yet another post remap issue - makes me wonder how other manufacturers such as Ford & Vauxhall can offer they cars already with aftermarket remaps from dealer without without the hassle some of us seem to be getting here.
Regards,
Gareth
....I don't know the details but I expect that the dealer's aftermarket remaps are probably 'only' Stage1 and so are still well within the factory tolerances, whereas a lot of the guys here are pushing the envelope further and can expect to have issues, especially without some important mechanical mods.
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Mine is stage 1 revo
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I've been giving this some thought, and tbh its not really any big deal when you consider that a clutch upgrade will work out at not much more than the cost of a remap should the problem arise. My uest for power is going to continue unabated. :smiley:
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Hmmm .... worrying stuff, yet another post remap issue - makes me wonder how other manufacturers such as Ford & Vauxhall can offer they cars already with aftermarket remaps from dealer without without the hassle some of us seem to be getting here.
Regards,
Gareth
....I don't know the details but I expect that the dealer's aftermarket remaps are probably 'only' Stage1 and so are still well within the factory tolerances, whereas a lot of the guys here are pushing the envelope further and can expect to have issues, especially without some important mechanical mods.
I think the GTi's here suffering with clutch issues are also only stage 1. My stage 1 ED30 should be around the 290 - 300 bhp and similar torque figures. Just getting concerned.
Regards,
Gareth
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if you dont do alot of miles i would not worry about it but if you do be aware or turn the map off :sad: just abit silly having it if you cant turn it on :rolleye:
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mines slipping now. noooo. looks like im only doing a couple of runs at pod.
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mines slipping now. noooo. looks like im only doing a couple of runs at pod.
Shouldn't that post be in the Thread "Santa Pod excuses" :wink: :signLOL:
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Its in there already :grin:
Think i might chop mine in for a dsg :signLOL:
Only joking, will sort out a nice clutch kit in the next few weeks :smiley:
Could run at pod on stock map too
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With the weather and possibly low grip conditions, a stock ED30 may even fare better down the strip tomorrow :surprised:
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Was thinking that, the terminal speed wont be as good but the time shouldnt be too bad. Car has full milltek too so should run decent ish times :smiley:
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When Stock (DSG) I ran a 14.32 in relatively warm weather. I reckon an unmapped ED30 Like Phil Mcavity's could get to near 14 seconds on a cold day with a Milltek catback.
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When Stock (DSG) I ran a 14.32 in relatively warm weather. I reckon an unmapped ED30 Like Phil Mcavity's could get to near 14 seconds on a cold day with a Milltek catback.
nearly true luca and john, she did go well, a think warmer temps could of seen me knock off 4-5 tenths, and also the mapped lads nearly 3 quarters of a second imo.
looking at my 2 runs, i was ahead of both Greenouse (Manual) and GTijames (DSG) 3 quarters of the way down, and then 80mph see's the mod boys really pickup speed and by travelling 10mph faster over the finish line.
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Sounds like you've got the bug, Phil!!
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^^^not a chance! unless you can get the traction issues sorted without spending half your lottery winnings doing it, then ill pass for the minute :wink:
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Mat
Have you any more info on the clutch you have mines slipping like crazy and strugling to find something that fits standard flywheel.
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Vwr clutch goes with stock flywheel as long as the flywheel is ok :happy2:
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Vwr clutch goes with stock flywheel as long as the flywheel is ok :happy2:
just getting mine booked in for it doing Luca so will let u know asap
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Car is booked in at Vw racing for my clutch doing and from speaking to Mark on the phone he is a top bloke and knows his stuff :happy2: cant wait to get the clutch sorted
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cheers
Have emailed them for some info as i have spent the last week trying to get info on a sachs clutch and are getting mixed answers
Amd & Awesome Tell they do either a organic or a sintered and Sachs tell me the don't do one.The one that Sachs tell me they do is this one which i can get for £1300 fitted :scared:
http://www.sachsperformance.com/EU/sachs-race-performance-clutch/audi/audi-a3-8p1-ab-0503/20-tdi-mkb-azv/torsionsgefederte-scheibe-mit-organischen.html
Are there any other options
Jon
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Yin - Contact Mark (Farmer) at VWR - I'm sure you'll find that he knows about 'organic' clutches - Especially as I made a joke with him today about it being made from old vegetables.
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Going to book my car in for the vwr clutch and shortshift kit to be fitted as soon as matt has had his done :jumpmove:. Im hoping the stock flywheel will be in good enough condition to go witht the clutch. Dont fancy spending another £500 on a new flywheel :sick:
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i am also having the short shift kit done :P i will do a review as soon as its done of both the clutch and the vwr golf :drool:
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Thanks all have emailed VWR to see what they have to offer :grin:
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Thanks all have emailed VWR to see what they have to offer :grin:
Mark will sort you out :happy2: he knows his stuff
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the forge shortshift kit takes about 45mins to fit. it feels very wierd at first but once you get used to it is an awesome bit of kit!! i recon it shorterns the throw by about 50% :smiley:
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i have fit a few on my cars in the past and they take 15min to fit if you have the tools :wink:
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i have fit a few on my cars in the past and they take 15min to fit if you have the tools :wink:
yea, but my carbonio was an absolute cnut to take off :P smart ass :grin:
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i have fit a few on my cars in the past and they take 15min to fit if you have the tools :wink:
yea, but my carbonio was an absolute cnut to take off :P smart ass :grin:
they are a pain to fit as there is no give in them
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Will the shortshift fit a 2008 car. Im sure i remember reading that the forge shortshift kit doesnt fit my2008 cars?
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Will the shortshift fit a 2008 car. Im sure i remember reading that the forge shortshift kit doesnt fit my2008 cars?
No!! Don't even attempt it! Trust me!!!!!!!!!
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i managed to get the clutch done under warranty (Audi s3) as it is a fault that vag are aware of. The car is running an evoms and giac software with no problems.
Maybe try your luck and see if you can get it for free unless your wanting to go silly power? I would have thort that being fwd the ed30 will be slightyly easier on the clutch anyway so you should see at least 20k if your running around 300bhp.
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i have done 30k and track days but if you are pushing over 320bhp its not made for it and will start slipping so its just better to be able to have the option to push it more with a better one :smiley:
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what engine mods do you have or plan to have?
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what engine mods do you have or plan to have?
panel filter,forge dv,full 3" exhaust all the way through,stage 2 revo and fuel pump next with stage 2+ :evilgrin:
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fair play that is kind of on the limit for the std item, i just thought id get another std one fitted for free and even if i only get a few thousand miles out of its still worth it.
You not fancy running an evoms with your other mods?
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u got one if so i could be up for one as i have been thinking of an intake as its on the list :smiley:
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I want an intake too :smiley:
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Will the shortshift fit a 2008 car. Im sure i remember reading that the forge shortshift kit doesnt fit my2008 cars?
No!! Don't even attempt it! Trust me!!!!!!!!!
I take it you have tried to fit one on yours?
Whats different about the 2008 boxes?
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lol i do but its staying put, deffo worth it though as i certainly felt a small gain plus the sound is nice. Try statller in Sheffield as the had some in stock.
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Will the shortshift fit a 2008 car. Im sure i remember reading that the forge shortshift kit doesnt fit my2008 cars?
No!! Don't even attempt it! Trust me!!!!!!!!!
I take it you have tried to fit one on yours?
Whats different about the 2008 boxes?
You have a PM.
With regard to whats different - the clip design that secures the cable to the shifter arms has changed, and some other little things with how the shifter arm connects to the centre pivot shaft.
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It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
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The problem is that a line in the sand is easy to rub out and place further down the line. My initial intention was for a Revo Stage 1 remap and a Forge DV to be sensible and safe... now I'm on Revo Stage 2+ and yesterday found myself looking at G2871R turbos :surprised: :surprised: and Revo Stage 3... I'm not going to go there though as I don't want to start messing with the internal engine parts - its Karl's fault as he spoke to me about the S3 that had the conversion done at Santa Pod and was getting sub-12s 1/4 mile times :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
:happy2:
The problem is that a line in the sand is easy to rub out and place further down the line. My initial intention was for a Revo Stage 1 remap and a Forge DV to be sensible and safe... now I'm on Revo Stage 2+ and yesterday found myself looking at G2871R turbos :surprised: :surprised: and Revo Stage 3... I'm not going to go there though as I don't want to start messing with the internal engine parts - its Karl's fault as he spoke to me about the S3 that had the conversion done at Santa Pod and was getting sub-12s 1/4 mile times :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
He got a 12.7 in the end mate.. I think that a sub 12 second run is possible with that car though, its mental fast! Though I was going to be the first in the UK to go big turbo DSG lol..
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Excuse my ignorance on all things clutches :signIWS:
But what's the difference between the Paddle clutch and the likes of the sachs organic clutch :confused: :confused:
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Excuse my ignorance on all things clutches :signIWS:
But what's the difference between the Paddle clutch and the likes of the sachs organic clutch :confused: :confused:
The organic clutch plate is a large plate.. It looks like this..
http://zentekno.com/15f/images/clutch_plate.JPG
This is a paddle clutch
http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/images/productlarge/AP_Racing_6_Paddle_Clutch_Drive_plate_only.jpg
The advantage of a paddle plate over an organic drive plate is that the clamping force is higher due to the smaller surface area. The downside is that it makes the engagement pretty sudden.
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It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
:happy2:
The problem is that a line in the sand is easy to rub out and place further down the line. My initial intention was for a Revo Stage 1 remap and a Forge DV to be sensible and safe... now I'm on Revo Stage 2+ and yesterday found myself looking at G2871R turbos :surprised: :surprised: and Revo Stage 3... I'm not going to go there though as I don't want to start messing with the internal engine parts - its Karl's fault as he spoke to me about the S3 that had the conversion done at Santa Pod and was getting sub-12s 1/4 mile times :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
He got a 12.7 in the end mate.. I think that a sub 12 second run is possible with that car though, its mental fast! Though I was going to be the first in the UK to go big turbo DSG lol..
Was there a car at the Pod that posted a sub-12s time? I thought there was, but maybe I was thinking too much about sub-12s times and dreaming :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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It's as Kev at Revo says: Each one of us needs to draw our own line in the sand and not step over it.
:happy2:
The problem is that a line in the sand is easy to rub out and place further down the line. My initial intention was for a Revo Stage 1 remap and a Forge DV to be sensible and safe... now I'm on Revo Stage 2+ and yesterday found myself looking at G2871R turbos :surprised: :surprised: and Revo Stage 3... I'm not going to go there though as I don't want to start messing with the internal engine parts - its Karl's fault as he spoke to me about the S3 that had the conversion done at Santa Pod and was getting sub-12s 1/4 mile times :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
He got a 12.7 in the end mate.. I think that a sub 12 second run is possible with that car though, its mental fast! Though I was going to be the first in the UK to go big turbo DSG lol..
Was there a car at the Pod that posted a sub-12s time? I thought there was, but maybe I was thinking too much about sub-12s times and dreaming :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Nothing that I saw apart from a turbo Civic type R on drag slicks!
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He got a 12.7 in the end mate.. I think that a sub 12 second run is possible with that car though, its mental fast! Though I was going to be the first in the UK to go big turbo DSG lol..
Well if thats the case, then your 12.98s time is amazing then as his S3 has the advantages of 4wd and a monster turbo :surprised: I'm beginning to think that the Edition 30 is a really special car...
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Hmmm .... worrying stuff, yet another post remap issue - makes me wonder how other manufacturers such as Ford & Vauxhall can offer they cars already with aftermarket remaps from dealer without without the hassle some of us seem to be getting here.
Regards,
Gareth
....I don't know the details but I expect that the dealer's aftermarket remaps are probably 'only' Stage1 and so are still well within the factory tolerances, whereas a lot of the guys here are pushing the envelope further and can expect to have issues, especially without some important mechanical mods.
I think the GTi's here suffering with clutch issues are also only stage 1. My stage 1 ED30 should be around the 290 - 300 bhp and similar torque figures. Just getting concerned.
Regards,
Gareth
Hmmm .... worrying stuff, yet another post remap issue - makes me wonder how other manufacturers such as Ford & Vauxhall can offer they cars already with aftermarket remaps from dealer without without the hassle some of us seem to be getting here.
Regards,
Gareth
i managed to get the clutch done under warranty (Audi s3) as it is a fault that vag are aware of. The car is running an evoms and giac software with no problems.
Maybe try your luck and see if you can get it for free unless your wanting to go silly power? I would have thort that being fwd the ed30 will be slightyly easier on the clutch anyway so you should see at least 20k if your running around 300bhp.
Bluefin stage 1 for 1 month, not overly impressed with it either for the fact that it has ruined 2nd gear accleration ... and now after 1500 miles, 3k 6th gear and clutch starting to slip ... ffs ... wish I'd never bothered with remap now ... between ECU lights flashing, misfires, 2nd gear spoilt and now clutch slipping ... :confused: I dunno ... unimpressed is putting it mildly ... another phonecall to superchips AGAIN !
May just leave it and try getting it changed under warranty in the future - surely the dealer will smell a rat with a clutch slipping with 14000k on the clock :surprised: :confused: :sad:
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^^^ Gareth, I edited your post so the quotes where visible :happy2:
Have you tried the new map from SC yet???
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Cheers Steve,
Yes tried the new map to no avail.
Regards,
Gareth
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It's going to happen to us all running a map pure and simple
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Am i right in saying that its torque that fooks the clutches??
Should I be worried even with 300lb/ft ?
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It's running 300bhp plus all the torque that is given in 5th and 6th as the normal clutch can't cope for long, so if you mapping an ed30 budget for a clutch in the future as it will start to slip and my stage 1 was not on for ages so it's done about 7k with it on
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gareth , I know how you feel ! stick with it though :happy2: the route once you move away from std is never easy.
you could go back to stock , and I'm sure the clutch wont slip. And claim £ back from SC
or keep trying to resolve the map, or go back to the previous SC version with lower torque
(that may allow you to run a map but not req a clutch?)
Im not bowing to the clutch inevitability yet tbh. think how many ed30's are remapped by various tuners.
But the evidence is rising :sad: and Im running a peak of 370lbft@3krpm so if anyones is gonna go its mine.......
played on my mind all thru santa pod runs tbh, I never really attempted to slip it.
I think 1 over zealous slip and its toast.........
for my interest what do you mean "ruined 2nd gear" ? I assume you mean power delivery + wheelspin etc is that right?
think of it as an opportuniy to fit a paddle clutch and LSD :innocent: :evilgrin:
hang in there m8, were all with you
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The K04 upgrade kits all have 330-360lbsft ish and none come with an uprated clutch.
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As prev said my clutch went on my s3 with a map and evoms so probably around the 310-315 bhp mark. using the torque in high gears is what fooks the clutch up eg cruising in 6th and flooring it at quite lowe speeds is a killer. If you work the box more and use the revs that will help with the life of a clutch. Also the ed30/s3 clutches dont like to be ridden for hill starts so use your handbrakes a little more.
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Maybe DSG was the way to after all - still got to get uprated clutch packs from HPA though - finances permitting. In the meantime, I'm not going to hammer the car - well I wouldn't hammer it anyway, except on the drag strip TBH. :evilgrin:
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Maybe DSG was the way to after all - still got to get uprated clutch packs from HPA though - finances permitting. In the meantime, I'm not going to hammer the car - well I wouldn't hammer it anyway, except on the drag strip TBH. :evilgrin:
no not at £2700 for a better clutch pack :surprised: :P
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or stick with a stock car, after all did the quarter mile faster then some modded GTi's : :wink: evilgrin:.Shame there wasnt a stock Manual there to compare.
Tis your choice , but prepare to spend if you do stick with it.Theres no easy way out, remap, then, comes brakes, intercoolers,suspention, anti lift kits,clutch packs,arb's,lsd's, and even carbon fibre fetishes and god knows what else!!! :signLOL:
That slope will get you eventually :scared:.
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it got me the day i was born :signLOL: my dad modified old bikes and cars when i was young
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i would do it, but financial constraits and young family really dictate my choice
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i would do it, but financial constraits and young family really dictate my choice
same as me :happy2: boy turns 2 on the 17th and i am at vw racing on the 19th :rolleye:
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Spoken to superchips today, they have told me to revert the car to standard, leave it until Monday and see if clutch still slips. Either way to go back to them on Monday, problem is I'm noticing that it's now slipping in 5th and 6th ... am absolutely pi**ed off. It's the fact that I really enjoyed the car until the remap, like I said, 2nd gear acceleration IS slower than stock, boost doesn't peak until 6000rpm ???? I used to get managment light on at 6500rpm with old map ???? DTC central with multiple misfires, misfrire cylinder 2 & 3, and now clutch slip in 5th & 6th. Had 3 separate maps with superchips already and now on a custom map. They have told me of the ongoing and recent development on the ED30 manual and that the DSG and manual are now on par, and also that their demonstrater ED30 was pushing the limits more than their "customers maps" with no clutch trouble. They stated that there may be a problem with my clutch and that they are not aware of any customers encountering clutch issues.
The alternator pulley clutch is squeaking so it is going back to VW for a new alternator, booked it in for next Thursday and stated that the clutch is slipping in 5th and 6th, service representative (friend of mine) stated that they have only changed 1 clutch in a GTi in the last 4 years ?? And mine is slipping at 13.5k miles :scared:
I loved the car to bits when I bought in 6 months ... it's just starting to get on my wick a little now.
Am going out now to return to stock ... :sad: :sad: :sad:
Gareth :happy2:
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it wont slip in stock but if its been slipping it might be best to change it then its a fit and forget about it and i will have a new stock vw clutch disc for sale as i dont need it
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i would do it, but financial constraits and young family really dictate my choice
same as me :happy2: boy turns 2 on the 17th and i am at vw racing on the 19th :rolleye:
Nice to see you have your prioritys right matt! :signLOL: :happy2:
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it wont slip in stock but if its been slipping it might be best to change it then its a fit and forget about it and i will have a new stock vw clutch disc for sale as i dont need it
Like he said, in std mode mine was fine but when i put it in race map it would slip. Now they normally test the car in 3rd gear at vag as this will show if the car is mapped or not.
To get around this just before i went to the dealer i left the car in race map and slipped the clutch with plenty of revs a few times to make it slip quite badly then put it back to standard and quickly got a techy to come out and they notived the slip.
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i would do it, but financial constraits and young family really dictate my choice
same as me :happy2: boy turns 2 on the 17th and i am at vw racing on the 19th :rolleye:
You're just as irresponsible as me then :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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i would do it, but financial constraits and young family really dictate my choice
I've got those considerations too and sort of realised yesterday that I need to calm down a bit... so I'll have to mod the car over the next 12 months instead of all at once. By the time I've finished, I could have got another Ed30 :surprised:
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it wont slip in stock but if its been slipping it might be best to change it then its a fit and forget about it and i will have a new stock vw clutch disc for sale as i dont need it
Like he said, in std mode mine was fine but when i put it in race map it would slip. Now they normally test the car in 3rd gear at vag as this will show if the car is mapped or not.
To get around this just before i went to the dealer i left the car in race map and slipped the clutch with plenty of revs a few times to make it slip quite badly then put it back to standard and quickly got a techy to come out and they notived the slip.
Surprise surprise - no slip in stock at all - not a sniff :sad: So gutted :sad: Well, see what it does over the weekend and then I'll go back to superchips. Hopefully they'll ask me to go up for a session to set the car up. 2nd gear in stock is also way better that remapped - I get wheel spin in second when not remapped ! What is going on :confused:
Gareth :happy2:
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I get wheel spin in second when not remapped ! What is going on :confused:
Gareth :happy2:
Thats normal in this weather :happy2:
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I get wheel spin in second when not remapped ! What is going on :confused:
Gareth :happy2:
Thats normal in this weather :happy2:
Yes I know that lol ! It's just that 2nd gear when remapped is really really gutless, power is better in 2nd with no remap
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I get wheel spin in second when not remapped ! What is going on :confused:
Gareth :happy2:
Thats normal in this weather :happy2:
Yes I know that lol ! It's just that 2nd gear when remapped is really really gutless, power is better in 2nd with no remap
strange mine pulls like a b1tch in 2nd gear :driver:
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Mine doesn't at all, its a lot slower than standard .... a LOT SLOWER than standard
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you'd think after 3 attempts with diferent maps, that it would fix it??, why dont they have your car in and investigate further Gareth?
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Mine doesn't at all, its a lot slower than standard .... a LOT SLOWER than standard
thats a problem with the mapping if you ask me
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you'd think after 3 attempts with diferent maps, that it would fix it??, why dont they have your car in and investigate further Gareth?
Yes indeed thats what I'm hoping for ... we'll see what they say on Monday
Mine doesn't at all, its a lot slower than standard .... a LOT SLOWER than standard
thats a problem with the mapping if you ask me
Tell me about it - really not a happy chicken at moment ...
Regards,
Gareth :happy2:
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Gareth, id put on your lovelly Golf GTi jacket :wink: and go give em sh!t Monday morning!
Good luck getting it sorted, and keep us inbred's in here informed :happy2:
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Get a refund and go revo :evilgrin:
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:signLOL: that did make me chuckle !! Thanks for the cheer up :drinking:
Gareth :happy2:
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Get a refund and go revo :evilgrin:
i was going to say that :signLOL:
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Gareth I am gutted to hear this.
I must admit I think the SC stg1 map is quite agressive but for me no problems as yet.
Its going on the rollers ay JKM on Saturday so I will report back with some figures.
The torque limited map may be the way forward especially with DSG as I am.
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Gareth I am gutted to hear this.
I must admit I think the SC stg1 map is quite agressive but for me no problems as yet.
Its going on the rollers ay JKM on Saturday so I will report back with some figures.
The torque limited map may be the way forward especially with DSG as I am.
Yes gutted I am too ... aggressive it is but only after 3rd gear, if I could get similar 2nd gear as 3rd gear performance, no flashing ECU light when I want to "play" and no clutch slip I'd be well chuffed.
Gareth
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Get a refund and go revo :evilgrin:
Exactly what I was thinking... this just reinforces my opinion of Superchips :fighting:
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Dear All,
Don't want to hog the thread or go off topic, spoken to Superchips toady regarding the fact that the clutch is not slipping on stock. They stated they will reduce torque from 410 NM to 380/390 NM to try and prevent the clutch slipping ... will be ready by Monday, they also stated they will solve my 2nd gear problem once and for all - we'll see !!
Anyway - will leave the thread alone and inform you of whether it continues to slip - this could help some SC remaped ED30 owners on here ...
Regards
:happy2:
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I wouldn't get too concerned about taking a thread sightly off topic - We all do it in spite of trying not to.
Anyway, your clutch slip story is very relevant to this thread imo.
Besides, if everyone else gets good at this, I'll stick out like an even bigger sore thumb when I do it! :evilgrin:
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totally relevant gareth , its all good stuff :happy2:
for the non euro bods thats
410Nm (302 lb/ft)
380Nm(280 lb/ft)
390Nm(288 lb/ft)
so its not a huge reduction tbh!
my peak reading is 500Nm (370lb/ft) :surprised: :sad: :chicken:
good luck
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so its not a huge reduction tbh!
my peak reading is 500Nm (370lb/ft) :surprised: :sad: :chicken:
good luck
Is that on a standard clutch ?? :confused:
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fraid so :sad: reckon I should start that clutch fund now then :scared: :signLOL:
nice pic Red :happy2: nearly forgot about clutch slip for a minute or two :drool:
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would be lovely to fill that dip just after peak torque John
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would be lovely to fill that dip just after peak torque John
behind thee satan :signLOL: (but yeah your right , hpfp may just do the trick :P)
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heres an example of minimal slip ...........
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Yes, but he zoomed in so you couldn't see if the traction control had cut in due to wheel spin, which would give the same effect :scared:
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true but as its 5th gear unlikely for most of us mortals :grin:
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true but as its 5th gear unlikely for most of us mortals :grin:
Even in the current weather conditions? :grin:
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did you notice his emissions light was on and that's what mine does LOL
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Matt, i thought your emission light went off since you put the stage 2 back on?
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Light gone off after stage 2 was put on
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"it must be because I dont have any wind shield wiper fluid"
Good theory..
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Well guys ... sorry about the poor quality but this is what is happening :-
Been in close consultation with Superchips, they sent me out a custom map that resolved my "second gear" issue and reduced 30Nm of torque in 5th and 6th gears . Acceleration in second was brutal, but unfortunately the top end torque felt to have been considerably reduced. I was greatful that they had been able to restore some usuable torque to 2nd gear but was now at the detriment of 5th and 6th. The clutch slip seemed to have gone away ... but then this morning at 0700 after a night shift, clutch slip reared it's ugly head again. So .. got back on the telephone to Superchips regarding some advice. My ED30 is going in for an alternator replacement tomorrow (another matter altogether !!!) and I have told the dealer that the clutch is slipping. Only problem is that it doesn't occur when running a stock map - so they'll never be able to detect it DOH !! Hence the above video, sorry about the clarity filmed after an Eureka moment on the way back from Tesco's lol ! Superchips told me to contact them tomorrow after having had advice from the dealer. They stated that they have remapped quite a few ED30's and never experienced this problem. They also said that their demonstrator ED30 ran much more aggressive settings that those that they would supply to their customers, they had the car for quite some time and clocked up a lot of mileage in it - they stated the clutch never once evven tried to slip :sad:
Just don't know what to do am really getting annoyed ... I mean the map is either all at the top or all at the bottom and now this clutch issue, just wished I'd never tasted the forbidden fruit of a remap and remained in ignorance of the potential of remapping a BYD TFSI.
I wonder what the dealer will say, if they agree to change, which I strongly doubt they will not, would they fit an uprate paddle clutch if I paid difference ??? How harsh would a paddle cluth be - will I need legs like He-Man ?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Could it be your Girlfriend rides the clutch and has worn it out without your knowledge Gareth?? :grin:.
Are you gonna stay stock and loose the Map?
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thats clutch slip fella but mine is worse than that :laugh: i will let u know what the clutch is like next week as its in next thursday and the clutch pedal should feel the same as its a vw pressure plate but with a vwr paddle friction plate so thats the harsh bit. will let u know asap
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Not good, i wonder if your clutch is faulty, i have seen where some have had oil leaks, and some that have actually exploded (not running maps), its these crap DMF flywheels
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gareth I cant tell anything from that vid tbh sorry !
VWR do a clutch thats easy on the leg :happy2:
or go back to stock I guess......
VW may fit a diff clutch but I doubt most dealers would. and you will def have to sign a disclaimer!
as for power delivery, if the new map feels better low down, its def going to make the upper ranges 'feel' less urgent tbh
I take it no more CELs?
If dealer wont fit a new st unit then
swap to stock and save up for a clutch at VWR
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Light gone off after stage 2 was put on
My emission light was manually cleared (through vag-com) when Revo Stage 2+ was put on. It came back shortly after :sad: Then I took the Ed30 to the dealer to get the coolant hose replaced and an oil/spark plug service done and it again disappeared - I spoke to the dealer before the service to request that the emissions light not be interfered with and after when he confirmed that they had not put any software on or interefered in any way. So I'm not sure why/how the light disappeared - but its back on now. I have noticed that the rev needle 'searches' during idle, rising and falling. It will be taken to JKM next week to get sorted.
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Its all fixed now :jumpmove: VWR paddle clutch oh and its harsh :laugh: but just needs bedding in :evilgrin:.
all i will say is VWR are one of the best companies i have used and Mark farmer is car mad and a real petrol head and i will be back soon :laugh: oh and i loved the red gti demo car :drool:
a few pics from today
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this car sounds :evilgrin:
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what a great day :happy2: and we nipped to the ace cafe for some dinner :laugh:
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Its almost worth clutch failure just to have a look round there :laugh:
Glad to hear your car is back to full health. :drinking:
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When you say - oh it's harsh .. can you elaborate a little more ... am seriously considering one at the moment.
Regards,
Gareth
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Did you get your map sorted out gareth??
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Kind of ... erm .. got my low end power back at sake of top end torque, and then asked for them to balance a compromise between both ... but no - so back to 310bhp and 320 ft/lb torque map - so after 4k I'm away albeit with still a slipping clutch hope to pay superchips a visit some time early on in March for a "proper" session of rectifying my map ... :sad:
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I see mark took you ''over to the other unit'' nice cars in there, that leon sounded brutal.
my lad sat in plato's car and you could hardly see him, did you see the clutch on that little fester.
And the weight of 4 shocks, super light.
i called down there last week in the truck just to look around again, :drool:
billy
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Whats the deal with the Seat's then? Shame they won't be taking part in the BTCC this year :sad:
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Whats the deal with the Seat's then? Shame they won't be taking part in the BTCC this year :sad:
Are you meaning why they are there
bill
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When you say - oh it's harsh .. can you elaborate a little more ... am seriously considering one at the moment.
Regards,
Gareth
It's made of hard stuff so needs time to bed in so u have to give it more revs to make it set off smooth as if you are gentle it groans abit but only when setting off, but after driving the vwr car with the same setup and being told by mark it's nomal untill it's bedded in as the demo car was like stock you just could not tell
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Just to add my tupenny-worth, Mark (at VWR) tells me that I have driven the 300R demo with both clutch types installed and bedded in. As Mat says, the clutch action is surprisingly smooth and feels no different from stock (although I'm more used to DSG, I have driven Manual GTI's). In fact, coming from DSG, I have been particularly focussed on the clutch of the VWR demo and first time I drove her I expected she'd be tricky but she's a pussycat.