MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Sat Nav and Car Audio => Topic started by: Moschops on April 24, 2010, 11:03:19 am
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Morning all,
Okay I'm about to change the RCD 500 for an RNS 510 and also wanted to integrate the Arm Rest CD changer, after some head scratching and with some help from fellow forum members these are the parts you will need.
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Nearly all the parts. Only bit missing is the rubber mat for inside the arm rest, currently on order.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMoschops01%2FMoschops01_Cars%2FP1000008.jpg&hash=437f3d2692097b047b8b610e6e7e7d3787593aa5)
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Arm Rest, this is the one for cars equiped with the Aux connection/MP3.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMoschops01%2FMoschops01_Cars%2FP1000005.jpg&hash=c9b79396bc169757ec24043ce06672059ddf6f69)
Aux connector
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Wiring set RNS510 to CD Changer
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6 CD Changer
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMoschops01%2FMoschops01_Cars%2FP1000009.jpg&hash=d1176e95ab95cedc90201d3e97aa2387e172ae9d)
This part is also available, if you can't get the CD changer and you want to wait, you can add this glove box storage into the CD changer slot.
Plus if the have the RNS510 you'll need one of these.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMoschops01%2FMoschops01_Cars%2FP1000011.jpg&hash=862b823450f9cd8f75ce6d6cb8c99ea87c720679)
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Part numbers. All prices will be plus Vat
A5M0 035 724 056265/Socket (Aux Connector for the outside of the arm rest). £6.90
A1K0 863 323 Q7 1N 056265/Console (With hole for Aux Connector) £24.18
A321 857 233 01 Glove Box (you won't need this part if you already have the CD changer) £9.08
A1Q0 971 656 A Wiring Set (RNS510 to CD changer) £43.70 (cheaper on Ebay I'm told, but this one is Genuine VW)
A1K0 863 328 A7 1N Insert (rubber mat for inside spare cubby hole in Arm Rest, not shown as on order) £1.96
A1K0 057 110 A indincdhanger (6 disc CD changer) £370.21 ouch....mine cost a lot less than that... :happy2:
Next bit is to install but all being well that will be done on Tuesday... :smiley:
Oh nearly forgot the RNS510 manual part number is Art.-Nr.: 291.552.RNS.20 No idea on the price as I was given mine.
And finally a big thanks to:
SteveP (once again what this man doesn't know isn't worth knowing... :happy2: Cameluk and the Parts Team at Inchcape Shrewsbury (Martin, Subage and Graham)
Will let you know how the install goes... :smiley:
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If you are changing the standard arm rest to the version for the cd changer/mdi version and have the rear vents working then you will need to change the air channel pipe that runs underneath to clear the bottom of the cd changer
1K0 864 255 £14.50
The bottom part in this picture
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Its the biggest pain in the rear to change over :fighting: as it appears to be too big for the space available
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If you are changing the standard arm rest to the version for the cd changer/mdi version and have the rear vents working then you will need to change the air channel pipe that runs underneath to clear the bottom of the cd changer
1K0 864 255 £14.50
The bottom part in this picture
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvwfanatic.dk%2FBilleder%2FG5Armlaen%2FG5armlaen02.jpg&hash=063f6fd51a04d2241f42b21d916a7cdeb2930197)
Its the biggest pain in the rear to change over :fighting: as it appears to be too big for the space available
Cheers Camel....someone else mentioned the air pipe...and I forgot it... :stupid:
I take the top part is already in the car..round the gearstick/DSG shift?
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Yes the top part is from the dashboard to the handbrake and should already be there if you have rear vents, and doesn't need to be changed
There are two different versions that run under the armrest, one for the cd changer armrest and and different version for the standard arm rest
Why they didn't have one standard part to supports both armrests is Volkswagen making things more complicated
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If you are changing the standard arm rest to the version for the cd changer/mdi version and have the rear vents working then you will need to change the air channel pipe that runs underneath to clear the bottom of the cd changer
1K0 864 255 £14.50
The bottom part in this picture
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvwfanatic.dk%2FBilleder%2FG5Armlaen%2FG5armlaen02.jpg&hash=063f6fd51a04d2241f42b21d916a7cdeb2930197)
Its the biggest pain in the rear to change over :fighting: as it appears to be too big for the space available
Mr Camel,
Does this part have a letter after it please? Just my local parts dept have one in stock but not sure if its the right one without jumping in the car and popping up there to see it, anyway they have asked does it have a letter on the end of the part number?
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Mr Camel,
Does this part have a letter after it please? Just my local parts dept have one in stock but not sure if its the right one without jumping in the car and popping up there to see it, anyway they have asked does it have a letter on the end of the part number?
You want the version WITHOUT the letter on the end, the version with C on the end of it is for the non cd changer version
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Mr Camel,
Does this part have a letter after it please? Just my local parts dept have one in stock but not sure if its the right one without jumping in the car and popping up there to see it, anyway they have asked does it have a letter on the end of the part number?
You want the version WITHOUT the letter on the end, the version with C on the end of it is for the non cd changer version
Thanks Camel....the bit have has the letter on the end... :sad1:
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What is required to add the Aux-In port? I have the CD changer cable - presumably some additional wiring is required?
I have the hole in the front of my arm rest, rather than stick the blanking panel in I may as well add the Aux-In facility, but other than the 3.5mm Aux-In socket shown above, what else do I need?
I take it that the Aux-In and the CD changer are able to work together given that you can only get the CD changer version of the arm rest with the Aux-In cut out in the front (as far as I know anyway)?
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Hello,
My set up has everything connected (overkill if you like :signLOL:)
VW must do a cable for the CD Changer and the Aux socket, the ones I bought to do the job are the wrong ones as they will only connect the CD Changer up and not the AUX as well. At present I don't the correct part number.
So Mr Forum (SteveP) took my cables (looms), CD changer and the MDI kit and has made a loom to connect them all, which after todays fitment I'm pleased to say they all work.
Do you have the CD changer already? and the correct housing ?
If not you'll need to swap the housing, get the correct cable, Aux socket and also the correct air duct to run though the arm rest.
HTH.
Any other questions post em up... :happy2:
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Two questions
What does the connector look like on the back of the Aux socket
Is the CD changer connector fully populated at the changer end, if so then the aux signals will be present in the arm rest
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Two questions
What does the connector look like on the back of the Aux socket can take a pic tomorrow and post this up
Is the CD changer connector fully populated at the changer end, if so then the aux signals will be present in the arm rest
no idea and I'm not about to pull it apart again...
:smiley:
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Hello,
My set up has everything connected (overkill if you like :signLOL:)
VW must do a cable for the CD Changer and the Aux socket, the ones I bought to do the job are the wrong ones as they will only connect the CD Changer up and not the AUX as well. At present I don't the correct part number.
So Mr Forum (SteveP) took my cables (looms), CD changer and the MDI kit and has made a loom to connect them all, which after todays fitment I'm pleased to say they all work.
Do you have the CD changer already? and the correct housing ?
If not you'll need to swap the housing, get the correct cable, Aux socket and also the correct air duct to run though the arm rest.
HTH.
Any other questions post em up... :happy2:
I have new arm rest section (with the Aux cut-out), the CD changer only cable (no spur to also connect the Aux-In) and the new section of A/C ducting. It would appear I have to live with the Aux cut-out as the option of the CD changer armrest without the hole is no longer available. For 35p I can buy a blanking panel for the hole - job done. But I'm not a fan of blanking panels as it looks like something is missing. So, I figure I may as well fit the Aux-In socket but I'm not sure what I need other than the socket to get it working?
For what you say above Moschops, there is a different CD changer cable that also has the connection for the Aux-In socket? What does your setup look like? I appreciate Mr. P made it for you, but I'm guessing the cable that runs from the back of the head unit to the arm-rest splits - with the main connector going to the CD changer and a spur going to the Aux-In?
cameluk - In answer to your question, the multiplug at the changer end of the cable has two vacant pins...
It looks at though if I want to add the Aux-In, I need to buy a different CD changer cable :sad1:
My alternative is to see if the CD changer will fit in the glove box, but I can't establish if this was ever an option on the Golf - only the Passat. According the CD changer cable installation instructions, you can fit the changer in place of the hand-book recess with a new DIN-size adapter - which would enable me to keep the more useful storage space in the armrest - but the instructions don't give any details of part numbers or which car/model the glovebox installation covers.
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Animal, camel has put up a picture and I think part number for the glove box adapter in another post on here, was related to fitting an MDI in the place, had pictures of the golf box I think. worth a search!
I took all mine to pieces last weekend, and its a bugger to fit the pipe etc in you have alot of screws and trim to come away, and my biggest tip would be to remove the handbrake trim early doors, theres a small clip on the bottom, and pull the hand-brake up to the limit of its ratchet, was the only way I could get the trim past, and will save you ruining your handbrake like I did!
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Animal, it would be very easy to make a separate cable to connect the aux in socket, it's only three pins :happy2:
Let me know if your interested and I can either help make it with some proper shielded cable or send you the part numbers for the required repair wires and connector housing :smiley:
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I took all mine to pieces last weekend, and its a bugger to fit the pipe etc
Fun isn't it :rolleye:
Steve do you have to run the Aux cable from the back of the HU or can you pick up the pins on the end of the cd changer?
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Back of the head unit.
I found on moschops cd changer loom for non aux in car the pins required - 1,2 & 7 were free on the head unit end (once the ground pin for the changer had been moved to the correct position).
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Hello,
My set up has everything connected (overkill if you like :signLOL:)
VW must do a cable for the CD Changer and the Aux socket, the ones I bought to do the job are the wrong ones as they will only connect the CD Changer up and not the AUX as well. At present I don't the correct part number.
So Mr Forum (SteveP) took my cables (looms), CD changer and the MDI kit and has made a loom to connect them all, which after todays fitment I'm pleased to say they all work.
Do you have the CD changer already? and the correct housing ?
If not you'll need to swap the housing, get the correct cable, Aux socket and also the correct air duct to run though the arm rest.
HTH.
Any other questions post em up... :happy2:
I have new arm rest section (with the Aux cut-out), the CD changer only cable (no spur to also connect the Aux-In) and the new section of A/C ducting. It would appear I have to live with the Aux cut-out as the option of the CD changer armrest without the hole is no longer available. For 35p I can buy a blanking panel for the hole - job done. But I'm not a fan of blanking panels as it looks like something is missing. So, I figure I may as well fit the Aux-In socket but I'm not sure what I need other than the socket to get it working?
For what you say above Moschops, there is a different CD changer cable that also has the connection for the Aux-In socket? What does your setup look like? I appreciate Mr. P made it for you, but I'm guessing the cable that runs from the back of the head unit to the arm-rest splits - with the main connector going to the CD changer and a spur going to the Aux-In?
I think this is the case a frieng at work has an Eddy with these options fitted from the factory, now I may ask Dickie for his reg number and see what VW parts throw up, or the alternative is to take SteveP up on his generous offer and you won't tell the difference... :notworthy: Choppers... :happy2:
cameluk - In answer to your question, the multiplug at the changer end of the cable has two vacant pins...
It looks at though if I want to add the Aux-In, I need to buy a different CD changer cable :sad1:
My alternative is to see if the CD changer will fit in the glove box, but I can't establish if this was ever an option on the Golf - only the Passat. According the CD changer cable installation instructions, you can fit the changer in place of the hand-book recess with a new DIN-size adapter - which would enable me to keep the more useful storage space in the armrest - but the instructions don't give any details of part numbers or which car/model the glovebox installation covers.
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Animal, camel has put up a picture and I think part number for the glove box adapter in another post on here, was related to fitting an MDI in the place, had pictures of the golf box I think. worth a search!
I took all mine to pieces last weekend, and its a bugger to fit the pipe etc in you have alot of screws and trim to come away, and my biggest tip would be to remove the handbrake trim early doors, theres a small clip on the bottom, and pull the hand-brake up to the limit of its ratchet, was the only way I could get the trim past, and will save you ruining your handbrake like I did!
Tell me about it...me and Mr Greenous had a mare removing this whilst Mr P sorted out the Camera on the Eddy...R32 to do.. :stupid:
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If you are changing the standard arm rest to the version for the cd changer/mdi version and have the rear vents working then you will need to change the air channel pipe that runs underneath to clear the bottom of the cd changer
1K0 864 255 £14.50
The bottom part in this picture
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvwfanatic.dk%2FBilleder%2FG5Armlaen%2FG5armlaen02.jpg&hash=063f6fd51a04d2241f42b21d916a7cdeb2930197)
Its the biggest pain in the rear to change over :fighting: as it appears to be too big for the space available
Also the pipe that goes round the gear stick and through the central tunnel has chnaged in its appearance, ordered using the part number above but instead of deviating both ways round the gear stick, it now just runs down the Left hand side, so dont be disturbed if something different to the above turns up!
It is a right pain and after 10 hours of trim removal and wiring I was in need of a :drinking:
Fitting the air pipe, changer cable and BT kit all in one day may have saved repeating some work, but I was well knackered after!
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Animal, camel has put up a picture and I think part number for the glove box adapter in another post on here, was related to fitting an MDI in the place, had pictures of the golf box I think. worth a search!
I took all mine to pieces last weekend, and its a bugger to fit the pipe etc in you have alot of screws and trim to come away, and my biggest tip would be to remove the handbrake trim early doors, theres a small clip on the bottom, and pull the hand-brake up to the limit of its ratchet, was the only way I could get the trim past, and will save you ruining your handbrake like I did!
I found the post you are refering to, cameluk posted an image of the MDI USB port in the glovebox - but this is just a cable that hangs loose. The CD-changer installation guide refers to a specific part that replaces the plastic tray in the glove box that holds the car handbook with a proper DIN size housing allowing you to mount the 6 CD changer in the glovebox. I'm still not sure if this is possible of the Golf though.
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Animal, it would be very easy to make a separate cable to connect the aux in socket, it's only three pins :happy2:
Let me know if your interested and I can either help make it with some proper shielded cable or send you the part numbers for the required repair wires and connector housing :smiley:
Steve, many thanks for the offer. All this talk of how difficult swapping over the HVAC ducting is has put me off a little but if I do persue this, I shall definitely give you a shout.
For the record, I'm not actually fitting a 6 CD changer, I'm fitting the old USB-In system (pre-MDI, i.e. The old one that behaves like a 6 CD changer - it's stop gap whilst I wait until I can fit an RNS-510) however, from what I've read, the priciple is the same as if I were fitting the changer. The USB-In unit is DIN size to fit the armrest. I'm currently leaning towards trying to fit it in the glove box to retain the more usable storage in the armrest and also to avoid the aggro of changing the HVAC duct. It'll also be a lot easier to pass the wiring through to the glove box than it will be to thread through the centre console. I have a DSG, which from what I have read is harder to remove than just popping off the gaiter on a manual?
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Animal this is the post im on about http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12822.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12822.0.html)
Mine is also DSG, and with the new HVAC ducting you dont need to fully remove the gear gaitor, you can get alot of play by removing the plastic surrond and the gear selector cabling and just dragging the plastic base up over the knob. I certainly didnt remove the gear selector release, as i believe this requires a special tool to re-spring this into place for re-fitting.
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Animal, it would be very easy to make a separate cable to connect the aux in socket, it's only three pins :happy2:
Let me know if your interested and I can either help make it with some proper shielded cable or send you the part numbers for the required repair wires and connector housing :smiley:
Steve, many thanks for the offer. All this talk of how difficult swapping over the HVAC ducting is has put me off a little but if I do persue this, I shall definitely give you a shout.
For the record, I'm not actually fitting a 6 CD changer, I'm fitting the old USB-In system (pre-MDI, i.e. The old one that behaves like a 6 CD changer - it's stop gap whilst I wait until I can fit an RNS-510) however, from what I've read, the priciple is the same as if I were fitting the changer. The USB-In unit is DIN size to fit the armrest. I'm currently leaning towards trying to fit it in the glove box to retain the more usable storage in the armrest and also to avoid the aggro of changing the HVAC duct. It'll also be a lot easier to pass the wiring through to the glove box than it will be to thread through the centre console. I have a DSG, which from what I have read is harder to remove than just popping off the gaiter on a manual?
My Eddy is also DSG, now with the CD Changer came some instructions which details on what parts/screws to remove now had we read this beforehand we'd have ourselves some the hardwork in removing the arm rest housing to put the new air duct in. :stupid:
Also we didn't have to touch the duct that ran round the gear stick/shift, just the tail end piece that runs through the arm rest. :happy2:
Animal it's worth doing as it tides up the cabin now end :happy2: R32 to do now.. :smiley:
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Thanks Rich! I must have looked at the wrong thread.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy16%2Fcameluk%2Frns510%2Fstorage.jpg&hash=d29e9fdc36de97e04b520e6624fb6fa30f53caae)
This is what I want.
Reading through the other thread, it would appear it does fit the Golf too. Is anyone able to help me with the P/N for the glove box DIN adapter?
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Can't locate the DIN box in ETKA by itself :rolleye:
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Can't locate the DIN box in ETKA by itself :rolleye:
How annoying. I wondered if this might be the case, I assume it only comes as part of a kit?
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This appears to be the correct DIN box :happy2:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2Fglovebox1.jpg&hash=d9f91b20bdfbcb05ecb2c9755583379502e273df)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fkk207%2FStevep_010%2Fglovebox2.jpg&hash=e485bc22f34d66ef6ef0cdce4b0e9a9189c5d49b)
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Fantastic Steve, cheers!
I'm abit confused with all the part numbers though... What number do I need to take to the parts desk?
And also, some of the other parts, 15, 12, 22, 21 all look like they might be required to mount it? :confused:
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Not sure if a Passat holder will fit the Golf
Item 20 comes with all the other bits 15,12,22,21
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Not sure if a Passat holder will fit the Golf
Item 20 comes with all the other bits 15,12,22,21
I was thinking that (is 3C the prefix for the Passat?) but the aperture must be the same or a similar size as the handbook binders are the same AFAIK. Thanks for confirmation on the additional bits.
I presume it's 3C2-857-285-C that I need to try and order?
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Yep that's my thinking, but until someone tries we will never know :happy2:
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Yep that's my thinking, but until someone tries we will never know :happy2:
I'm on it... :happy2: Providing the DIN adaptor isn't prohibitively expensive.
I think is it a fair neater solution as well. Adding the CD changer arm rest wastes an awful lot of useful space. Wiring will be easier and resolves my Aux-In dilema too.
Cheers for the help guys, I'll keep you posted with my progress.
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£20 - ordered! :happy2:
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£20 - ordered! :happy2:
Thats cheap, interesting to see how the install goes.
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£20 - ordered! :happy2:
Thats cheap, interesting to see how the install goes.
To be honest, I'm not holding my breath. Reading through the CD changer installation instructions, it looks as though the Passat glove box has more differences than I first thought. We shall see...
EDIT: Looks like I might need some extra parts...
3C1-858-635 Brake Element
3C0-857-169 Hinge Pins (2X)
Reading around on Passatworld there isn't a great deal on information on fitting this. What I really need to establish is just how different the Passat glove box is. I wont be able to return the DIN adapter as I ordered by part number, so fingers crossed I can do something with it or it'll have to go onto eBay, at a loss.