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Title: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 11:26:35 am: Well, I've had the old girl for 3 years now and I'm starting to get itchy feet again.
I still love the MKV platform car and I'm thinking about starting a proper major project car.

I'm thinking 3dr stripped out R32 with R36 conversion, cage, tuned, CF bucket seats etc etc etc.

The options are many including tuned NA, Turbo'd, twin Turbo'd and supercharged so it would be good for a high output motor.

Any suggestions and advice welcome :happy2:

The next thing is if do I sell the ED30, do I sell as it is or strip it back to stock and sell the parts individually?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: yin on May 08, 2010, 11:47:31 am: My first responce would have been no way :mad: but when i read you plans go for it :happy2:

or just finish this off
http://pistonheads.com/sales/1693768.htm
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: keith on May 08, 2010, 11:55:52 am: If it were me I would keep the ED30 and get a MKIV R32, although I do like the R36 idea but would parts not be a problem as there aren't many about to get 2nd hand parts from.
Or go Jap, always wanted a Evo track car
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: candy turbo on May 08, 2010, 02:13:24 pm: bail out mate , it was traction which made me upgrade to my S3 and i m no where near the petrol head you are :laugh:
you could be the first to start with a golf R at least you can re use a lot of your parts BUT r32 sounds great to :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: VC on May 08, 2010, 02:18:56 pm: Forget r36 IMHO buy a mk5 r32, strip it, lighten it then supercharged or bi turbo if you want earth turning power :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: WhiteGTI on May 08, 2010, 02:22:45 pm: Why not try something new away from a Golf?

GTR - ok bit more expensive perhaps
996 911 turbo's are cheap now
BMW E46 M3 - supercharge/turbo the 3.2 i6 to 650hp at least
Even a Porsche Cayman, then get RUF to put the 997 turbo engine in it...then you will have an absolute weapon of a car.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Eddy30 on May 08, 2010, 02:26:03 pm: Agree wi vc, what's the tuned power difference between r32 r36 weighted up with availability of parts etc?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 02:31:49 pm: Quote from: Very Cherry on May 08, 2010, 02:18:56 pm
Forget r36 IMHO buy a mk5 r32, strip it, lighten it then supercharged or bi turbo if you want earth turning power :happy2:

....I think you better wait for Hurdy to explain a bit more about his possible Mk5 R32 (R36 engine) project. We had a very long chat yesterday about it and, believe me, his ideas make a great deal of sense - In all aspects!

:popcornsoda: :party: :pomppomp: :star:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 08, 2010, 02:41:28 pm: Quote from: WhiteGTI on May 08, 2010, 02:22:45 pm
Why not try something new away from a Golf?

GTR - ok bit more expensive perhaps
996 911 turbo's are cheap now
BMW E46 M3 - supercharge/turbo the 3.2 i6 to 650hp at least
Even a Porsche Cayman, then get RUF to put the 997 turbo engine in it...then you will have an absolute weapon of a car.

thats some of the cars i am looking at too plus plenty more as once you have proper AWD not this haldex rubbish its got to be a RWD or AWD for me now as the grip is just awesome :driver: the scooby out handles the golf in everyway but its not as fast on the move but there or so many options for us like minded people John :rolleye:. MK4 R32 are holding money well at around 10k price and if u look around there is a nice charged one just up the road from u for sale.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/1677931.htm
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 02:43:34 pm: ^^^^
Hey guys! Hurdy is talking about a Mk5 .:R, not a mk4.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 08, 2010, 02:45:45 pm: audi engined elise :notworthy:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 02:46:34 pm: ....

John, a very high percentage of replies in this thread is going to be telling you what other cars you can buy for similar money. Or rather, it's going to be mostly what other cars they would buy. :rolleye: :rolleye: :rolleye:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Rich on May 08, 2010, 02:48:37 pm: R32 bi-turbo for me !
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 08, 2010, 02:49:28 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 02:43:34 pm
^^^^
Hey guys! Hurdy is talking about a Mk5 .:R, not a mk4.

we can read Robin :P and we are giving him our thoughts on the cars as thats what he wants :P and i think he need to see jbs to have a chat about an all out track / turbo/ charged r32 as they have done a few in the past
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 02:52:47 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 11:26:35 am

The next thing is if do I sell the ED30, do I sell as it is or strip it back to stock and sell the parts individually?

....Most people will tell you to strip it back to stock because you'll get back more money in total. That may be true, but where do you draw the line when you have things like a Quaife diff and certain other engine mods. The balance of the car can become upset unless the back-to-stock is total.

It might take longer but I would at least start off offering it for sale as is and hope for a buyer who appreciates such a car which, afterall, is well known as a real fast 'un!
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jhtrophy on May 08, 2010, 02:56:50 pm: if you dont have kids cant see point in a hatch mate,996gt3rs? again my thought although im sure whatever you get will be good John :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 08, 2010, 03:04:55 pm: Get a beetle or get a bus
http://www.race-taxi.ch/indexx.htm
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Thor on May 08, 2010, 03:17:51 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 08, 2010, 03:04:55 pm
Get a beetle or get a bus
http://www.race-taxi.ch/indexx.htm

They look fantastic, great find Matt :happy2:

Look forward to reading the project thread what ever you decide to do Hurdy. :party: :drinking:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 03:20:54 pm: Okay,

Here's what I have in mind.

R32 - any as it will be changed.

R36 engine - 296bhp out of the box - doesn't weigh any more than the R32 lump.

DSG 7 speed box if poss. - stronger than the 6 speed out of the box with a longer final drive. HGP do stronger internals and clutchpacks.

Twin scroll or twin turbo's for 600+bhp

Completely gut the interior and build up with carbon and alcantara lightweight parts

Carbon bucket seats

Race suspension and cage

Aim for a sub 1300kg car with 600+bhp. :happy2:

Downsides - haldex 4wd is no real substitute for full 4wd, but it can be adapted to suit.

Investment will probably bankrupt me for a new road car.

I do like some of the alternatives though. Keep them coming :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 08, 2010, 03:39:14 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 03:20:54 pm
Okay,

Here's what I have in mind.

R32 - any as it will be changed.

R36 engine - 296bhp out of the box - doesn't weigh any more than the R32 lump.

DSG 7 speed box if poss. - stronger than the 6 speed out of the box with a longer final drive. HGP do stronger internals and clutchpacks.

Twin scroll or twin turbo's for 600+bhp

Completely gut the interior and build up with carbon and alcantara lightweight parts

Carbon bucket seats

Race suspension and cage

Aim for a sub 1300kg car with 600+bhp. :happy2:

Downsides - haldex 4wd is no real substitute for full 4wd, but it can be adapted to suit.

Investment will probably bankrupt me for a new road car.

I do like some of the alternatives though. Keep them coming :happy2:

I think you should do this. Its original.

Or a audi engined TVR, 4.2 v8 with a charger :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Andy on May 08, 2010, 03:40:20 pm: a bloke inDarlington near me bought a mk5 gti and put a s3 transmission and making it 4 wheel drive..you could make the ed 30 the same but the cost and spoiling the car might not what youhave in mind john
I would say get a r32 and put a turbo on,i have heard that bi turbo on a right hand drive car can't be set up right but am not sure bout that
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: SteveTDCi on May 08, 2010, 05:42:56 pm: i guess you need to ask yourslef what you want to achieve, if its just to do something different then go ahead, if its just to spend money that you will never recover then again go ahead, your not going to be changing much visually, your still going to have a golf and i've ner understood why people change cars to exactly the same model, if i was going to spend lots on a build i would want to build a real street sleeper something that you would never expect and 500php Kia or something !

would it not be better to buy a damaged R32 or R36 and then build them up into your car or just go out and get an RS4 and be done with it?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 08, 2010, 06:04:55 pm: John , you have the resources. Keep the Ed30. Youve spent too much on that car. Perhaps put that car back to a reasonable state of tune, to help preserve the engine/gearbox, and start a new project.

Go with the Mk5 R idea. That with a turbo or two is an animal :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 06:36:41 pm: Don't usually go for Jap.....but........

http://pistonheads.com/sales/1479189.htm

errrm, don't know what to do now :confused:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 08, 2010, 06:39:45 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 06:36:41 pm
Don't usually go for Jap.....but........

http://pistonheads.com/sales/1479189.htm

errrm, don't know what to do now :confused:

....Methinks you'd prefer a flappy paddle version. Couldn't see if that one advertised is or not. It would be extremely hairy with the ESP etc switched off but they're extremely safe and driveable with it on.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 08, 2010, 06:45:33 pm: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :scared: :scared: :scared:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Lean on May 08, 2010, 06:47:42 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 08, 2010, 03:04:55 pm
Get a beetle or get a bus
http://www.race-taxi.ch/indexx.htm

Incredible that build -

@Hurdy Keep her over the summer and think about a winter build!
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 08, 2010, 07:11:25 pm: Mr Hurdy

Sell the ED30 get as good a price as you can after removing all the parts that are cost effective to remove....

Buy a Rocco mate....

Put all your bits on it, I know a guy thats had a Mk5 R32 Engine/Box and front and rear subframes haldex in his garage for too long and his missus is giving him grief.

So a bi-turbo 4mo V6 rocco - you dont see many of those knocking about do you

You'd get a new rocco for 20k sell the wheels 800 quid sell the active suspension for 5-600, RCD510 for 350, 1000 quid for the engine.

Roccos a good 6" lower than the lowest golf, also has alloy rear hubs as well - handles great
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 08, 2010, 07:26:42 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 06:36:41 pm
Don't usually go for Jap.....but........

http://pistonheads.com/sales/1479189.htm

errrm, don't know what to do now :confused:

Try it and tell us what you thought about :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 08, 2010, 07:33:27 pm: A TTRS with bolt on's will make high 400's and 7 speed S-Tronic is available later this year.. You would be daft not to! :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: vRStu on May 08, 2010, 07:38:18 pm: The hunt for the engine will be the biggest issue I think. The Superb also comes with a detuned version of the same engine so might be an angle.

Why not get the Passat and turbo/supercharge it, they are awesome sleepers. There are a few which are ex VW cars, OV09 xxx registered that were going cheap.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Nasir on May 08, 2010, 07:39:24 pm: BMW M5 or M6. They've come down in price and 507BHP with a 5.0 V10 and a nice soundtrack. Not sure how many mods can be done to it but the M6 could be a serious weapon for you.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 12:53:22 am: u need to come see my mates tuned up evo x rs with 530bhp its a beast and its in white too :drool:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 09, 2010, 02:36:27 am: Quote from: Nasir on May 08, 2010, 07:39:24 pm
BMW M5 or M6. They've come down in price and 507BHP with a 5.0 V10 and a nice soundtrack. Not sure how many mods can be done to it but the M6 could be a serious weapon for you.

nice soundtrack, but not as fast as one would think due to their weight.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: danishmkvgti on May 09, 2010, 04:37:16 am: Hurdy, return the ED30 to stock, sell the car and get the TT-RS as JonnyC says :happy2:

BTW first Dibs on the CF hood :grin: :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: djhorace on May 09, 2010, 07:34:42 am: I think you would be mad to sell after what you have spent on it recently, and on how well it goes without a big turbo and on how reliable it has been. However, I know the feeling that limited traction brings, even with moiunts, diff and sticky tyres. You simply cannot match 4 wheel drive at low speed for accelaration.

If you were selling, you would be wise to sell the modifications separately as the car is going to be worth the same with them on as without them so you would be throwing away cash selling it modified.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: candy turbo on May 09, 2010, 08:42:20 am: Quote from: Hurdy on May 08, 2010, 06:36:41 pm
Don't usually go for Jap.....but........

http://pistonheads.com/sales/1479189.htm

errrm, don't know what to do now :confused:
that evo is :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Nasir on May 09, 2010, 09:47:25 am: Quote from: Poverty on May 09, 2010, 02:36:27 am
Quote from: Nasir on May 08, 2010, 07:39:24 pm
BMW M5 or M6. They've come down in price and 507BHP with a 5.0 V10 and a nice soundtrack. Not sure how many mods can be done to it but the M6 could be a serious weapon for you.

nice soundtrack, but not as fast as one would think due to their weight.

True but 0-60 in 4.6 it doesn't hang about, and that's standard.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: john_o on May 09, 2010, 09:48:18 am: strip ed30 back to std and sell bits, simple economics (but obv harder on things like LSD) imho

from what little I know of you john its the journey not the end point and something 'different'
like the idea of R32/6 , and in fact done right you may end up with a modified car worth more than its original value.
TTRS is amazing and the potential :drool: , but would you 'finish' it too quickly?

does it have to be 2 or 4 doors?

other consideration is just go straight to a caterham/noble/gt3 fully prepped track car.

keep ed30 and get a litre motorbike? :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: gazbutS3 on May 09, 2010, 09:49:53 am: first dibs on u brakes Hurdy :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 09, 2010, 09:55:31 am: Quote from: john_o on May 09, 2010, 09:48:18 am
keep ed30 and get a litre motorbike? :signLOL:

I hear Vespa are doing buy one get one half price :happy2:
Handy if you over mod one of them so you have a spare :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 10:02:07 am: LOL, look like the brake and CF bonnet have a home when I sell then :laugh:

TT-RS is a possible, but I just feel I need a project that is a little more unique in conception, hence the R36 in an R32 as not many have been down this route in the UK.

I'd hate to have a stock car as I like the fact that cars of the same base spec can be so different when modified.

I don't need a 4dr car anymore as we already have the town runabout with 4drs and a hatch :indifferent:

So 2dr coupe's are a possibility as are more track focussed cars. :evilgrin:

Just missed out on a decent specced Dark Blue '09 reg Cayman S the other day at a silly low price and would have had in a shot :sad1: so I'm on the lookout for a decent base car at a good price if one comes along.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 10:24:53 am: There is only one way to go for me if i was in your shoes. And i would be away from the VAG scene.

Either an Impreza WR1
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seriouswheels.com%2Fpics-2004%2F2004-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STi-FA-Mountain-1024x768.jpg&hash=9428ae085c31f9352f0ffd6c40bf200a782b481f)

or an EVO X
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.jalopnik.com%2Fassets%2Fresources%2F2008%2F03%2FMitsubishi_EvoX_HKS.jpg&hash=22885e9e8963640dbcf370b5624759ad7ee16c09)

get somethikng like them then, make it around 600Hp and get your self into time attack
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 11:13:07 am: ^^^^
Those Japs are so 'in yer face', Sy. Judging by the way he's modded his Ed30 I'm not sure that's our Hurdy's style.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 11:17:03 am: But id be willing to bet that with them in standard form and with equivalent power to weight as Hurdy's ed 30, they would be better to drive and much quicker, plus the modding scene is huge and varied with so many different routes to go.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 11:23:51 am: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 11:17:03 am
But id be willing to bet that with them in standard form and with equivalent power to weight as Hurdy's ed 30, they would be better to drive and much quicker, plus the modding scene is huge and varied with so many different routes to go.

....Certainly. :happy2:

I've driven a standard Evo X and it's awesome when driven hard but the build quality feels poor whether it is or not - But if it's stripped out it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 11:35:02 am: exactly, he wants to strip it out, so german interior quality isnt needed.

instead he needs really competent chassis and there aren't many more competent than the Evo or Impreza.

what evo x was it you drove, i had a short slowish drive in my friends evox 300, wasnt overly impressed with the power, but the steering was sublime makes the mk5 chassis seem numb in comparison
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 11:42:02 am: ^^^^
Was a blue 330(?) SST. The flappy paddles were too smooth shifting - I couldn't easily tell when she shifted but the 'which gear' display was good except that you don't want to be even glancing at instruments if driving hard imo.

Until I drove one it was the only car I was interested in possibly moving to. But, yet again, after only driving a few miles again in my GTI I know I'm well satisfied - She's a keeper.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 12:05:23 pm: what 4x4 hot hatch/saloon options are there anyway

scooby
evo
S3
R32

and what else ??
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 09, 2010, 02:23:52 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 12:05:23 pm
what 4x4 hot hatch/saloon options are there anyway

scooby
evo
S3
R32

and what else ??

Mazda mps6

audi s4
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 02:34:23 pm: S4s are really heavy though and the MPS has a limited tuning market as well. that said i do like the 6MPS
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 09, 2010, 03:12:55 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 02:34:23 pm
S4s are really heavy though and the MPS has a limited tuning market as well. that said i do like the 6MPS
s4 is 1650kg i think, so about 100kg more than the evo, not bad for vag as such, bet alot of that will be in the electric seats!
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 04:32:51 pm: you want RWD or AWD this haldex stuff will not do but thats just my thoughts :rolleye: go take out an AWD car they are awesome :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 05:44:06 pm: plu sif you want to strip it out you dont ant to be buying VAG as the interiors are to nice. At least with a jap car its not such a shame
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 05:52:08 pm: Jap has been done over and over.. Plus (with the exception of the R35) they pretty much all look like distasteful chav rockets and the build quality is terrible!

You can go as far as you want on any car out there.. Im flying someone out from America soon to make a manifold for mine, just depends how much you wana play really!

Get something no one else has done yet, surely thats going to give you more enjoyment having something that no one else has?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:19:28 pm: build quality does not matter as its all coming out of the car he says so it makes better sense to have a lighter 4wd car that is built for the job ie a rally car
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Aparoon on May 09, 2010, 06:28:21 pm: I have to agree with staying away from subarus and evo's, I have never driven either but I will still never own one :laugh:

I think the turbo'd r36 idea would be nice :drool:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:33:19 pm: turbo r36 is just silly its still a big fat vag car and its going to cost big money to do and yes it would be great but if its going to be gig mtr y not go rs4 and turbo the bugger 4.2 turbo :evilgrin: it will kill a ttrs :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 09, 2010, 06:36:42 pm: Whatever you buy Hurdy, make sure you fit a blueflame exhaust on it or you WILL upset our matt :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:41:31 pm: Quote from: Saint Steve on May 09, 2010, 06:36:42 pm
Whatever you buy Hurdy, make sure you fit a blueflame exhaust on it or you WILL upset our matt :evilgrin:

u know you should have gone blueflame Steve :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Nasir on May 09, 2010, 06:43:15 pm: BMW M6 (again), it makes sense to me :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 09, 2010, 06:43:34 pm: Im deaf as a post Matt :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:43:59 pm: Quote from: Saint Steve on May 09, 2010, 06:43:34 pm
Im deaf as a post Matt :wink:

You would be :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 06:46:18 pm: Quote from: Aparoon on May 09, 2010, 06:28:21 pm
I have to agree with staying away from subarus and evo's, I have never driven either but I will still never own one :laugh:

I think the turbo'd r36 idea would be nice :drool:

I can tell, when you have driven one you will be converted. VAG chassis's are numb in comparison. And ive driven the likes of the VWR demo car etc.

I dont think evo's have that much of an image issue, like you get with scoobies. most chav's cant really afford them. that said if you get one of the new scoobies you wont have that image, as is the old classic shape that carries the chav image
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 06:47:00 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:33:19 pm
turbo r36 is just silly its still a big fat vag car and its going to cost big money to do and yes it would be great but if its going to be gig mtr y not go rs4 and turbo the bugger 4.2 turbo :evilgrin: it will kill a ttrs :P

:scared:

Bring it on! :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 06:53:06 pm: My thinking is that hurdy isn't purely into 1/4 miles drags, he does track days as well, so that rules out the S4 RS4 in my mind. plus that route has already been done. It would be crazy fast though.

If i were to buy VAG and wanted the big power, id think id end up with the R36. I think it looks better than the golf anyway. saloons look better than hatches IMO.

or you could just get a focus RS :grin: :grin: (queue the abuse)
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 06:59:23 pm: I'm feeling the R36 transplant (with forced induction) with 4WD into a new shape Scirocco at the moment. A 600bhp Scirocco with 4WD and looking stock from the outside would be a great stealth car :smiley:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 07:04:13 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 06:59:23 pm
I'm feeling the R36 transplant (with forced induction) with 4WD into a new shape Scirocco at the moment. A 600bhp Scirocco with 4WD and looking stock from the outside would be a great stealth car :smiley:

Now thats a nice idea.. Hope you have lots of monies John.. :grin: Will be an awesome project! :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 07:04:51 pm: i like that idea but what is the weight of that engine. Would it not be better to go for something like a 2.5TFSI engine into the scirocco.

what about dropping the 2.8 bi turbo S4 engine in there
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 07:11:24 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 07:04:51 pm
i like that idea but what is the weight of that engine. Would it not be better to go for something like a 2.5TFSI engine into the scirocco.

what about dropping the 2.8 bi turbo S4 engine in there

2.5T FSI short block (on exchange) is Â£9k from Audi.. So thats just bottom end and head.. A complete engine IF you have a shortblock to drop in at the same time is closer to Â£15k.. Add on top making it work.. I don't think you'll be seeing many 2.5T FSI engine swaps put it that way.. :grin:

Scirocco R.. Gen 4 4WD conversion from an S3/Golf R then build the engine and go big turbo with proper fuel system.. 600hp would be a realistic goal..

It will weigh a damn sight less than the 3.6 and make just as much power and your not throwing everything away..
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 07:23:37 pm: ....

Even the Scirocco R is fugly :sick: :sick: in my opinion, but it's not my project. TT-RS is far more elegant.

The choice seems to be coming down to something not done before versus the track car you want to drive.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: VC on May 09, 2010, 07:26:57 pm: Rocco, strip it out, mid mount the r36, bring the cooling in from the sides, tubular framed

i double dare you :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 07:43:56 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 07:23:37 pm
....

Even the Scirocco R is fugly :sick: :sick: in my opinion, but it's not my project. TT-RS is far more elegant.

The choice seems to be coming down to something not done before versus the track car you want to drive.

Though it seems the thought of buying a TTRS and spending a fraction of the cost on it to get to the same performance isn't an attractive proposition.. :grin: :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 07:50:23 pm: i see exactly where he is coming from.

as good as it is to tune and drive it is a TT at the end of the day.

And with one comes a set of these
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetshopuk.com%2Finternetshopuk%2FImage%2Fclippers1.jpg&hash=dc57887b7e8d0da761cf8496337250f75600b3b0)

Some people cant drive jap cars cos of the image they bring, guess im the same with the TT lol.

Scirrocco all the way or a passat R36
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 09, 2010, 08:02:26 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 07:50:23 pm
i see exactly where he is coming from.

as good as it is to tune and drive it is a TT at the end of the day.

And with one comes a set of these
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetshopuk.com%2Finternetshopuk%2FImage%2Fclippers1.jpg&hash=dc57887b7e8d0da761cf8496337250f75600b3b0)

Some people cant drive jap cars cos of the image they bring, guess im the same with the TT lol.

Scirrocco all the way or a passat R36

:indifferent:

In the same way, if you want anyone to take you seriously every again, jap cars should come with one of these..

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ff76%2Fpeajrkiii%2Fbaghead.jpg&hash=1ecf682a9200edfbbcf60f8171bffd1962d25057)

I get your point though, in the same way buying an 8k Evo then spending Â£45k on it, it would be an absolute machine.. But would I want to be seen dead in one? No ta..
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm: Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 08:07:55 pm: ^^^^
If we're talking about image, I think the Rocco is more of a hairdresser's car. And it looks like a Golf which has been squeezed through a toothpaste tube. A small engine'd TT might look a bit 'feminine' to some people but not the TT-RS. So what anyway?

The full race Scirocco's look good but their bodywork is extremely modified.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 08:10:14 pm: ok no more f in about :P whats the budget? rocco cost 20k engine 10k then all the drive train not sure if you want AWD or haldex i would go AWD and then there is fitting it in so you will need to cut the floor up and also do the boot floor too,you have brakes so thats a few quid saved but your going to have 50k in the car one way or the other and then there is all the other stuff that you forget about when you start a project so you could have some silly money in a rocco
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 08:10:49 pm: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

....As if you'd be worried about some bloke in his superfast Scirocco when driving your Lambo! I know which I'd rather own, regardless of performance.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: cmdrfire on May 09, 2010, 08:12:26 pm: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

Performance VW have a turbo'd 3.2V6 haldex Scirocco in their most recent issue (from HPA I think?). Costs upwards of US$100,000!
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 08:23:39 pm: Yes, I've seen one of those - 565bhp.

Mat - budget is "fluid". The ED30 has had Â£40k in it for under 400bhp, so Â£100/bhp at a guess.

I wouldn't want to spend over Â£50k on the build in total as I'd rather get a new car above that. :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 08:28:09 pm: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 09, 2010, 08:30:45 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 08:23:39 pm
Mat - budget is "fluid". The ED30 has had Â£40k in it for under 400bhp, so Â£100/bhp at a guess.

I wouldn't want to spend over Â£50k on the build in total as I'd rather get a new car above that. :laugh:

VAGs are expensive to tune though, especially the high capacity engines. plus you pay the premium for having such a good interior.

One thing though, what about an M3, older shape and get it supercharged or turbo'd etc. BMWs rock
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 09, 2010, 09:04:02 pm: Quote from: cmdrfire on May 09, 2010, 08:12:26 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

Performance VW have a turbo'd 3.2V6 haldex Scirocco in their most recent issue (from HPA I think?). Costs upwards of US$100,000!

Yep thats retail and Â£60KGBP

My mates got a full drivetrain from a Mk5 R32 Engine/Box Front sub frame/Rear Subframe/Propshaft for around Â£3k less a TSi engine plus Stage 1 (350-390BHP) Blower kit for now (Â£7k) plus fitting/adaption.

Would be a great car that could probably be done for 30-35k, Im guessing getting a reliable 500BHP from a 3.2l displacement is easier and therefore cheaper than 500BHP from a 2.0L displacement

Plus with an appropiate exhaust just how good would it sound
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: ollie288 on May 09, 2010, 09:06:41 pm: Just out of interest what is an average cost of changing an engine in a car? Just the labour for the engine?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 09:25:09 pm: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 09:04:02 pm
Quote from: cmdrfire on May 09, 2010, 08:12:26 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

Performance VW have a turbo'd 3.2V6 haldex Scirocco in their most recent issue (from HPA I think?). Costs upwards of US$100,000!

Yep thats retail and Â£60KGBP

My mates got a full drivetrain from a Mk5 R32 Engine/Box Front sub frame/Rear Subframe/Propshaft for around Â£3k less a TSi engine plus Stage 1 (350-390BHP) Blower kit for now (Â£7k) plus fitting/adaption.

Would be a great car that could probably be done for 30-35k, Im guessing getting a reliable 500BHP from a 3.2l displacement is easier and therefore cheaper than 500BHP from a 2.0L displacement

Plus with an appropiate exhaust just how good would it sound

sound like this
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 09, 2010, 09:29:29 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 09:25:09 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 09:04:02 pm
Quote from: cmdrfire on May 09, 2010, 08:12:26 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

Performance VW have a turbo'd 3.2V6 haldex Scirocco in their most recent issue (from HPA I think?). Costs upwards of US$100,000!

Yep thats retail and Â£60KGBP

My mates got a full drivetrain from a Mk5 R32 Engine/Box Front sub frame/Rear Subframe/Propshaft for around Â£3k less a TSi engine plus Stage 1 (350-390BHP) Blower kit for now (Â£7k) plus fitting/adaption.

Would be a great car that could probably be done for 30-35k, Im guessing getting a reliable 500BHP from a 3.2l displacement is easier and therefore cheaper than 500BHP from a 2.0L displacement

Plus with an appropiate exhaust just how good would it sound

sound like this

Awesome vid that, but makes my vid look like a play in a car park.. :surprised:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 09:31:37 pm: i know the guy that own that car and lets put this way its stupid fast in Germany on the autobahn :surprised:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 09, 2010, 09:32:57 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 08:10:49 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

....As if you'd be worried about some bloke in his superfast Scirocco when driving your Lambo! I know which I'd rather own, regardless of performance.

Nobody said it was a better car Robin just that it would worry one. I think its fair to say you're not on your own to prefer a lambo over a rocco...its just the six figure price tag thats stopping me buying one tomorrow funnily enough
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 09:50:08 pm: dont start the price thing as its not about the money just like the golf r :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: cmdrfire on May 09, 2010, 10:02:19 pm: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 09:32:57 pm
Quote from: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 08:10:49 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

....As if you'd be worried about some bloke in his superfast Scirocco when driving your Lambo! I know which I'd rather own, regardless of performance.

Nobody said it was a better car Robin just that it would worry one. I think its fair to say you're not on your own to prefer a lambo over a rocco...its just the six figure price tag thats stopping me buying one tomorrow funnily enough

I wouldn't have a Lambo of any kind over a Scirocco. The Lamorghini makes you sit bent (the pedals are offset from the driver's position). After an hour driving it you're in mild agony - on both the Gallardo and the Murcielago. This is where the F430/599/612 excel (dunno 'bout the 458; I've yet to drive one of those).
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 09, 2010, 10:38:44 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 09, 2010, 08:10:49 pm
Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 09, 2010, 08:07:19 pm
Bi Turbo V6 Rocco FTW.....

Rare as rocking horse, stealthy, 450BHP+, 4WD....

You could have a 10 sec 1/4 mile lambo worrier and nobody need know

....As if you'd be worried about some bloke in his superfast Scirocco when driving your Lambo! I know which I'd rather own, regardless of performance.

Thats completely beside the point. Everyone rather have the lambo, but if you cannot afford one, but can afford to make your "cheap car" beat the lambo at what its meant to do best, and surprise people, then it sure is a good feeling, and yes the lambo owner will be a teeny weeny bit miffed
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 11:51:18 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 09:31:37 pm
i know the guy that own that car and lets put this way its stupid fast in Germany on the autobahn :surprised:

Yeah, I went down to Inters in 2008 with Andy and the R32 and you could hear it half a mile away on the motorway when he pressed the fast pedal :evilgrin: :jumpmove: :driver:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 11:54:38 pm: Yeah he is a nut case but such a top guy and yes I know it's silly loud but it's a good loud.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 11:57:01 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 11:54:38 pm
Yeah he is a nut case but such a top guy and yes I know it's silly loud but it's a good loud.

Yep,

That's why I'm soooo tempted by one :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 10, 2010, 12:01:23 am: So 2010 1.4TSi 's are 17.5K on autotrader - Maybe 16750 for cash whats your eddie worth? :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 12:03:06 am: Have u heard his flywheel on that car :laugh: just get a mk4 for 10k then go see jbs who for 6k will see u above 400bhp and fit your brakes and strip it out stick a cage in it and have it all done for under 22k ish
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: GTIjames on May 10, 2010, 12:22:13 am: having literally bailed out of my ed30 last weekend i have spent the last week contemplating new cars my max budget is25k and have conidered evo x rs (lightweight version), r262r, r32 plus mods but my current favourite as i mentioned in the random thread is the 135i

as standard sub 5s 0-60 and 12.6 1/4mile - with remap and exhaust you will see 400hp and 11s 1/4miles and it handles pretty well too, bilstein coils are available if you require

for 24k you get a great start and if you take a bit of weight out of it plus a few mods i think it would be an animal :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 12:30:35 am: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 10, 2010, 12:01:23 am
So 2010 1.4TSi 's are 17.5K on autotrader - Maybe 16750 for cash whats your eddie worth? :evilgrin:

Probably about Â£18k if I left the mods on.

Maybe Â£16k with all the mods off - only done 26k miles, by one careful owner :innocent:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: vRStu on May 10, 2010, 06:23:52 am: With the sort of budget you mention then I'd say an ex demo TTRS is an ideal starting point. The problem with modding to the extreme (cutting floors, changing engines etc) is that you instantly write off the value of the base car. I always prefer to be able to retrun to stock once you've finished.

What about a TTRS engine in something else?? There was a link to one on eBay posted at VAGOC IIRC.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on May 10, 2010, 07:58:02 am: Si,

Your assuming you need to cut floors on the rocco, im not sure you do. Geometry on a Mk5 4WD and 2WD at the back is more or less identical. I've even seen R32 splined rear hubs on mk5 with a blanking plug when VW have got their numbers wrong.

The Boot on a rocco is very shallow

Having said that Rocco DNA also comes from Passat CC in a lot of cases....

Dont forget to use 19's on anything new.....for reasons previously discussed :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 10, 2010, 09:52:36 am: Quote from: GTIjames on May 10, 2010, 12:22:13 am
having literally bailed out of my ed30 last weekend i have spent the last week contemplating new cars my max budget is25k and have conidered evo x rs (lightweight version), r262r, r32 plus mods but my current favourite as i mentioned in the random thread is the 135i

as standard sub 5s 0-60 and 12.6 1/4mile - with remap and exhaust you will see 400hp and 11s 1/4miles and it handles pretty well too, bilstein coils are available if you require

for 24k you get a great start and if you take a bit of weight out of it plus a few mods i think it would be an animal :evilgrin:

When you say you've bailed on the Ed30 James, has it gone already? :surprised:

I'm with you on the 135i though, something I am seriously considering after the ED30 goes. But i've not heard of a standard one going near 12.6 in this country? :confused: :confused: :confused: I'm quite friendly with the lads in the E90 forums and the quickest 335i on their (450bhp) @ Pod is 12.6 @ 118mph. Now then 335i is only 50kgs lighter than the 335i, so they have potential that's for sure, but not quite as quick as standard as that. My mates mapped one was similar to mine upto high speeds then it obviously had the legs.
Great cars though and the Yanks go mad for them..
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 10:29:55 am: Quote from: DaveB1970 on May 10, 2010, 07:58:02 am

Dont forget to use 19's on anything new.....for reasons previously discussed :wink: :wink: :wink:

....Crikey, you've set quite a puzzle there, Mr Brakes-Guru :confused:

19's? - I'm having great difficulty working out what you mean :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Richn83 on May 10, 2010, 11:22:22 am: Hurdy if your going Quattro surely its has to be something with a longitudinal engine to get permanent drive and a 40:60 distribution, plus you can then get your hands on the 7 spd s-tronic which has many more clutch plates for smoother and faster pick-up. Plus it might be possible to swop it out for the R8 box or the Porsche PDK box? Which should take what-ever you can throw at it!

Or if you start with a R32 how about getting your hands on one of the new 2.0 TSI lumps with variable valve lift as standard they chuck out a considerable amount of extra torque, and I bet even a simple tune could release alot more without sacrificing the weight of a V6 lump.

What ever you do, will be an interesting build thread, proper AWD with decent front to rear power distribution 7 spd DSG, and a blinfding engine will make a truely awesome motor! :party:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: FamilyDub on May 10, 2010, 01:17:47 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 06:59:23 pm
I'm feeling the R36 transplant (with forced induction) with 4WD into a new shape Scirocco at the moment. A 600bhp Scirocco with 4WD and looking stock from the outside would be a great stealth car :smiley:

^^^ +1. :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 10, 2010, 02:09:01 pm: Quote from: Vtec Abuser on May 10, 2010, 09:52:36 am
I'm with you on the 135i though, something I am seriously considering after the ED30 goes. But i've not heard of a standard one going near 12.6 in this country? :confused: :confused: :confused: I'm quite friendly with the lads in the E90 forums and the quickest 335i on their (450bhp) @ Pod is 12.6 @ 118mph

My friend has one, completely stock and when we ran it at Santa Pod I ran a 13.3 @ 107 mph.. Not a chance of getting a 12.6.. Even mapped cars with exhaust etc etc would just about get a 12.6 as you have said..

Fastest time I know of is a car running race fuel and NOS with big drag slicks and that did an 11.2
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 02:18:06 pm: M3 CSL.

Brakes, coilovers and track geo.

Fin.

Porker if your balls are super big.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 02:33:24 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 02:18:06 pm
M3 CSL.
Brakes, coilovers and track geo.
Fin.
Porker if your balls are super big.

Yes, but my ED30 already passes CSL's and can keep up with the E92 M3.

To get anything faster in a Porsche I'd have to go for the Turbo and upgrades for both these cars are stupidly expensive and they chew through consumables at a rate of knots too and so are expensive to run on track.

In the video of me on the 'ring I overtook both a Porsche and a CSL, both weren't hanging about, but you can see how easily it was to catch up and go around them!!
I want something that would be so fast it would do that to MY car :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 10, 2010, 02:55:01 pm: Quote from: jonnyc on May 10, 2010, 02:09:01 pm
Quote from: Vtec Abuser on May 10, 2010, 09:52:36 am
I'm with you on the 135i though, something I am seriously considering after the ED30 goes. But i've not heard of a standard one going near 12.6 in this country? :confused: :confused: :confused: I'm quite friendly with the lads in the E90 forums and the quickest 335i on their (450bhp) @ Pod is 12.6 @ 118mph

My friend has one, completely stock and when we ran it at Santa Pod I ran a 13.3 @ 107 mph.. Not a chance of getting a 12.6.. Even mapped cars with exhaust etc etc would just about get a 12.6 as you have said..

Fastest time I know of is a car running race fuel and NOS with big drag slicks and that did an 11.2

1/4 mile Table for the Yanks..
3 Series
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html

1 Series
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--135i-Drag-Racing.html

Spec of the 1 Series..
ER FMIC
BMS METH KIT
BMS DCI
AR DP
RR EXHAUST
JB3 1.4 MAP #9
FORGE DDV
NO BACK SEATS
25hp dry shot of nos(when needed!)
No Diff
Auto box
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 02:58:19 pm: i that vid at the ring the csl was not even trying trust me i chased one on there and they just put the power down easier
7.22 :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 10, 2010, 02:58:49 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 02:33:24 pm
Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 02:18:06 pm
M3 CSL.
Brakes, coilovers and track geo.
Fin.
Porker if your balls are super big.

I want something that would be so fast it would do that to MY car :laugh:

To be fair John, unless you spend big Â£'s or get something very lightweight and basically mainly suited as a track car with no creature comforts, I reckon you're going to struggle.. :confused:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 03:00:17 pm: You reckon your car would lap faster than a sorted CSL? Genuine question, same driver, same track. I honestly can't see it, but then I haven't driven yours or a CSL around the Ring at 10/10ths.

There's also the point that you've a Â£40k+ car worth Â£18k and going down, where as that would be a Â£25k CSL and still worth Â£25k in a few years time when you're bored, because of its rarity... it might be more on consumables, but it's a darn site less in depreciation and dead money. Likewise a 'lost all its money already' Porsche.

Why does it have to be the fastest thing on the track?

Not trying to rain on your parade here, but when we're talking the level in performance and money you're thinking - if you want fast, simply buy fast out-of-the-box and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:08:16 pm: http://www.loaded.se/
go on you know its better than an ed30
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 03:12:38 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 02:58:19 pm
i that vid at the ring the csl was not even trying trust me i chased one on there and they just put the power down easier
7.22 :P

.... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Mat! You're a star! That's gotta be one of the best soundtracks on the 'ring - Nice find! :drinking:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:15:35 pm: its 100% got me looking at them Robin :innocent: but i would always look at a porsche everytime thinking mmmm should have got one of those maybe :rolleye: i am confused :rolleye:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:16:10 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 02:58:19 pm
i that vid at the ring the csl was not even trying trust me i chased one on there and they just put the power down easier
7.22 :P

Not exactly stock that though is it Mat :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:17:07 pm: neither is yours :P so played with csl will rip an ed30 a new arse hole :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:19:11 pm: and u cant compare your ed30 to a stock csl as there is just no point as once u play with a csl it will be that fast and its more about if you can drive the car to its limit or before your bottle runs out :smiley:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:22:13 pm: tech spec of that car
http://www.0-60mag.com/0-60Legacy/2008/01/nurburgring-csl-bmw-kw-record/
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:23:42 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:19:11 pm
and u cant compare your ed30 to a stock csl as there is just no point as once u play with a csl it will be that fast and its more about if you can drive the car to its limit or before your bottle runs out :smiley:

My bottle is bottomless Mat, so never runs out :laugh:

I must admit that the Performance BMW front cover did grab my attention today........

http://www.performancebmwmag.com/

I could see myself in one of those :driver:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:27:27 pm: you see :laugh: :notworthy: defo worth a look i think
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 03:28:54 pm: Standard E46 M3 CSL 7:50 full lap.

Sport-Auto official time.

Note what's similar, all pretty much Porkers and supercars. Still think your ED30 is as fast as a Â£25k CSL?

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NÃ¼rburgring_lap_times)
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:30:59 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:22:13 pm
tech spec of that car
http://www.0-60mag.com/0-60Legacy/2008/01/nurburgring-csl-bmw-kw-record/

Sh!t the bed!!!. That is a major project and major money car :surprised:

105mph average on that lap for that BMW. Ferrari 599XX is 111mph average. I'm around 92mph average. I don't think that is too bad for a FWD car on the stock turbo. :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:32:32 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 03:28:54 pm
Standard E46 M3 CSL 7:50 full lap.

Sport-Auto official time.

Note what's similar, all pretty much Porkers and supercars. Still think your ED30 is as fast as a Â£25k CSL?

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NÃ¼rburgring_lap_times)

defo not as fast :signLOL: about 30 secs slower :laugh: you have to think you are asking a fwd car to do everything ie put all that power down,do all the steering and braking and then dragging all that rear behind it :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:34:39 pm: major Â£Â£Â£ car but you could buy an m3 with a supercharger on like this
http://pistonheads.com/sales/1573748.htm
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:35:18 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 03:28:54 pm
Standard E46 M3 CSL 7:50 full lap.
Sport-Auto official time.
Note what's similar, all pretty much Porkers and supercars. Still think your ED30 is as fast as a Â£25k CSL?
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NÃ¼rburgring_lap_times)

I reckon that I could get the Golf down to 8mins with a little more practice and the instructors reckoned in their hands it would do a sub 8min lap, but the CSL time was done with a professional racedriver and not average Joe Bloggs. :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:37:53 pm: but the driver was a joe bloggs at one point in his life but now drives for a living so dont let that he is a race driver cloud your choice as its about the car drives and puts it power down
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:38:28 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:34:39 pm
major Â£Â£Â£ car but you could buy an m3 with a supercharger on like this
http://pistonheads.com/sales/1573748.htm

Looks like a very nice car, but has some miles on it and is really older than I want to go.

Nice find though :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:39:54 pm: yeah its got some miles but you see what bhp you can have and they come up for sale with lots less miles for around 20k ish
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:50:24 pm: I've just dug this up from E30M3 who had a CSL at the time I took him for a spin. Bare in mind I didn't have the diff, mounts, bilsteins (Eibachs at the time), R888's, and was still on Custom Code (less power)......

"Again it was a pleasure to meet you John, a true gent . and the GTI of yours is a sleeper in the true sense !

I was nearly 98% sure what my next car was going to be, either a Focus RS or a 996 GT2. I must have gone through at least 3 months of going back and forth on the decision, cheers John for making it harder now !!

John kindly took me for a spin(more like a lap of the nurburgring) in his crazy GTI as I wanted to see what a well modded GTI is like.

I was adamant I would not get a GTI again, ever.

Then what happens you meet John (Hurdy) (top bloke btw ) and he takes you for a drive and you come back with neck ache from the G achieved in cornering and swearing like a sailor

Forgot how good an mk5 GTI is and never realised how crazy a modded one was. I totally forgot the composure, the quality and the shifts of the DSG; it really is the total package!

Its unbelievably, mind numbingly, arse twitchingly, hand grabbing the grab handle, foot hitting the imaginary brake pedal RAPID as a road tool, I imagine as a track car too! The way those brakes shed of speed is crazy, Iâ€™ve got an enlarged AP Racing 6 pot on the CSL running pagid rs29's and the Tar-ox BBK were as good if not better! !

John was kind enough to take me on a drive round one of my local country lanes, which I know like the back of my hand.

Keep in mind he has not ever seen this road, the rate at which this road was dispatched was utterly gob smacking for a FWD 5 door car. I mean, I take a CSL and a M5 around these roads at least once a week and I like to think I know how to drive on that road, but damn, Johns GTI was reaching near enough the same speed with no fuss and with iron fisted control, no body roll, no wasted power and the worst bit is with a diff I think it would have been faster! The suspension just soaked up the abuse, its one very very good set-up road car! Also keep in mind that the GTE has a 2 litre 4pot turbo FSI and the other cars have a 5litre V10 and a 3.2 I6 and you seriously begin to wonder what the power in the M cars is doing! What suprised me the most is that it was riding as well if not better than a stock car, no harshness, no excessive noise, you wouldn't even know what lurked underneath was a montser, a proper sleeper!

Considering it cost a 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the other cars, yet its just as fast is basically crazy

because it certainly is not half /third of the car!

Most BMW, Porsche or Audi drivers would have a hard time believing that a GTI is quicker in a straight line or round corners but Iâ€™m telling you guys it FU$%ING IS!

I reckon car mags really should test a GTI ed30 with a few mods etc, remap, DSG and LSD vs the Focus RS, both cost the same money, both about the same power, but which one would be the better everyday car? ?

Yes that old bug "but the GTI is modded, mod the Focus the same and the Focus would win" but the Focus costs more! A GTi Ed30 can be had for 17K, 3 K mods, that is still 20k! It would be nice to see which one really is the better car. I for one would be very interested to know!

The only thing magazines/media don't seem to realise is the GTI takes time to appreciate, like a good Cognac. Just sitting in Johnâ€™s car brought back memories of how great a car the mk5 GTI is.

Now Iâ€™m totally stuck as to what car to get now, cheers John it only took me 3 months to decide between the Focus or the GT2! Now I have thoughts of a GTI in my head, not again!! I tell you my decision in another 3 months!!! LOL

Once again great meeting you John and thank you for that drive which made me "sh*t in my pants " You certainly know how to drive"
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:56:35 pm: so keep the ed30 and haldex it from an r32 would save you lots of messing about and just cage the bugger job done
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:57:37 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:56:35 pm
so keep the ed30 and haldex it from an r32 would save you lots of messing about and just cage the bugger job done

Hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:01:39 pm: well u know the car you can tell you dont want to sell it and you have lots of Â£Â£Â£Â£ in it so y change just evolve the car more pure and simple
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 10, 2010, 04:01:46 pm: Flash the car back to stock, run it for a month or two, then load it back to stage 2+ and appreciate what youve done all over again. :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:10:22 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:01:39 pm

you have lots of Â£Â£Â£Â£ in it so y change just evolve the car more pure and simple

....Though not in the same league as Hurdy's, that's my attitude towards mine too: An organic evolution.

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But I can understand John's inclination to change.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:14:10 pm: i dont get y its cost you so much to do :confused: i would shock u at what mines cost all in and the only thing u have that i dont is a fuel pump and i dont want one so thats only Â£300 plus Â£50 for software so i am :confused: and the diff but i can have that done for Â£1000
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:18:20 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:14:10 pm
i dont get y its cost you so much to do :confused: i would shock u at what mines cost all in and the only thing u have that i dont is a fuel pump and i dont want one so thats only Â£300 plus Â£50 for software so i am :confused: and the diff but i can have that done for Â£1000

....Yes, but you're a spanner monkey, Mat.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 04:20:28 pm: Hurdy hasn't paid Â£15k in labour, Robin.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:20:44 pm: not really Robin i just dont mind getting stuck in and helping and helping u learn things
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:25:18 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:20:44 pm
not really Robin i just dont mind getting stuck in and helping and helping u learn things

....I've learnt a lot by watching and watching. My helping would be more of a hindrance!

But back on topic, which way will Master Hurdy turn?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:26:32 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:25:18 pm
Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:20:44 pm
not really Robin i just dont mind getting stuck in and helping and helping u learn things

....I've learnt a lot by watching and watching. My helping would be more of a hindrance!

But back on topic, which way will Master Hurdy turn?

oh god yeah i remember the drop links Robin :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 04:31:38 pm: Mine stands me at less than Â£4k in bits, it'd take half a day to remove them all and I'd get probably 2/3rds of that money back on the 2nd hand market.

Have I had even 0.0005% less fun that anyone else? No.

20 months, 10 track days, 2 Ring trips (40+ laps) 22k miles and its only lost 2-3K in depreciation = win. I could have ploughed a load of money into making it quicker, but what would I have achieved? All that time, I've been saving for something else instead....

Golfs are great fun. Golfs are not financially viable big game hunters. Know when to stop.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:42:19 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 04:31:38 pm
Mine stands me at less than Â£4k in bits, it'd take half a day to remove them all and I'd get probably 2/3rds of that money back on the 2nd hand market.

Have I had even 0.0005% less fun that anyone else? No.

20 months, 10 track days, 2 Ring trips (40+ laps) 22k miles and its only lost 2-3K in depreciation = win. I could have ploughed a load of money into making it quicker, but what would I have achieved? All that time, I've been saving for something else instead....

Golfs are great fun. Golfs are not financially viable big game hunters. Know when to stop.

....You probably should have been an accountant, Mike. :smiley:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: gobbleplease on May 10, 2010, 05:51:35 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 04:31:38 pm

Golfs are great fun. Golfs are not financially viable big game hunters. Know when to stop.

Couldnt agree more, when i see some of the power you guys are running on your ed 30s im like Jesus !
Honestly on my gti i dont want more power, yea when its up to speed and not wheel spinning more power is benificial, but apart from that i cant really see the benifit.

Hurdy, i think you have pretty much maxed out the ed 30 :congrats:, dont really see where you could go from here TBH, you could maybe shave a bit here or there, but what ever you do from now on isnt really going to see the differances you want unless you go 4 wheel drive, as said though this will probably cost mega bucks and damage resale values of the car.

If i was you id try to advertise your car as is for a price you are happy with, if you dont get any intrest strip it and sell it on.

I watched your video on the ring and read the comments of that guy with the CSL, the thing about the m3 and the golf is the golf feels faster due to the deceptiveness of the gtis turbo and the way the torque hits you, on the m3 and csl it blends it on much smoother so doesnt feel as quick but trust me it is quicker (not saying an m3 is quicker than your GTI)
That csl on the ring was either not driven well or the guy was warming up or just learning the track, or you are a bloody good driver, i dont think there is much doubt if that car was on it you wouldnt be going past it at those sort of speeds.
Also dont think its fair to compare one of the fastest gtis in the country to an unmodded / lightly modded 911 CSL or M3

Car choice, you probably already know yourself what you want deep down, but IMO i dont think you will get better than an m3,
(as mentioned the e46 might me getting a bit old for ya now) but an ESS vt 550 supercharger will cost ya about Â£8k fitted, a set of coilovers and some APs will take you to about Â£13k and there is not much out there that will touch it.

You do have a nice car, that is running amazing FWD times so why get rid of it if you are happy with your recent ring times and 1/4 miles ?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: 94Luke on May 10, 2010, 05:58:36 pm: My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw the thread title, but having read the the rest of the thread my mind has been put at ease :grin: :signLOL:

Do you want to stick to something without a left pedal? What type of shape you thinking? (coupe, saloon, estate...) RWD/4WD? Are you gonna use it some days or completely strip it out?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 10, 2010, 06:10:01 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 03:57:37 pm
Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 03:56:35 pm
so keep the ed30 and haldex it from an r32 would save you lots of messing about and just cage the bugger job done

Hmmmmmm.

Its do able. the guy that tunes my car, is doing it to his vRS, he already has the full rear axle and other gubbins from an R32 to get fitted in his workshop.

heres proof of what you could be doing with some HALDEX action on yor car. If i was you it is what i would be doing, as its a damn site more original than the likes of the TT-RS, EVOs, BMWs and impreza.
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Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 07:08:27 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 10, 2010, 04:14:10 pm
i dont get y its cost you so much to do :confused: i would shock u at what mines cost all in and the only thing u have that i dont is a fuel pump and i dont want one so thats only Â£300 plus Â£50 for software so i am :confused: and the diff but i can have that done for Â£1000

Partly because I've chopped and changed so much....

3 lots of suspension
3 tuner ECU maps
2 TCU maps
various intakes
several sets of alloys
Â£3.5k sound system

It all adds up :rolleye:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 07:20:04 pm: Quote from: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 04:42:19 pm
Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 04:31:38 pm
Mine stands me at less than Â£4k in bits, it'd take half a day to remove them all and I'd get probably 2/3rds of that money back on the 2nd hand market.

Have I had even 0.0005% less fun that anyone else? No.

20 months, 10 track days, 2 Ring trips (40+ laps) 22k miles and its only lost 2-3K in depreciation = win. I could have ploughed a load of money into making it quicker, but what would I have achieved? All that time, I've been saving for something else instead....

Golfs are great fun. Golfs are not financially viable big game hunters. Know when to stop.

....You probably should have been an accountant, Mike. :smiley:

I'm sure you've a motivational "live the dream, don't worry about the money" line to go along with this - I'm not saying you're wrong.

I buy a car, have a bit of fun with it and move on. Every pound saved by not chasing figures/scene points/some idea of perfection (not that I see you or Hurdy doing any of these) is a pound closer and a day sooner towards my dream car.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 07:27:31 pm: Quote from: tony_danza on May 10, 2010, 07:20:04 pm

I'm sure you've a motivational "live the dream, don't worry about the money" line to go along with this - I'm not saying you're wrong.

I buy a car, have a bit of fun with it and move on. Every pound saved by not chasing figures/scene points/some idea of perfection (not that I see you or Hurdy doing any of these) is a pound closer and a day sooner towards my dream car.

....Fear not, Mike - I respect the way you think but I'm just totally different. At my age one tends to be less ambitious and in many ways I'm already living my dream with my GTI. :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: yin on May 10, 2010, 07:35:40 pm: Hurdy is the current spec of your car on here some where i have searched and can't find it

Having read your posts you really don't want to sell it do you :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jhtrophy on May 10, 2010, 07:58:54 pm: the good thing about getting an m3 is you would have the fun of learning to drive again, i would be very impressed with myself if i got an m3 round the ring as quick as i can the meg, lots of warning from FWD :signLOL: would be difficult to beat your time in anything to be honest, because a powerfull fwd is the easiest way of doing it, i have flown past caterams etc around the ring that are just all over the place and thought they are having so much more fun than me. would be a csl for me if i could not afford gt3rs. do it mate :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 08:02:17 pm: Quote from: yin on May 10, 2010, 07:35:40 pm
Hurdy is the current spec of your car on here some where i have searched and can't find it

Having read your posts you really don't want to sell it do you :happy2:

There are a few more mods than these now, but this is the rough spec. :happy2:

â€¢   2 sets of wheels are used on the car, 17" and 18" Team Dynamics Pro race 1.2's.
â€¢   TAROX 10 pot front brake upgrade including discs, pads and braided hoses.5.1DOT fluid.
â€¢   Audi S3 rear brake upgrade including calipers, discs and pads.
â€¢   Autotech lightweight anti-roll bars front and rear.
â€¢   VF Engineering transmission and engine mounts.
â€¢   Whiteline anti-lift kit.
â€¢   Bilstein B16 PSS10 coilovers.
â€¢   Quaife limited slip ATB diff.
â€¢   Milltek turbo-back exhaust including downpipe, sports cat, custom decat section and resonated back box.
â€¢   Neuspeed Turbo discharge pipe.
â€¢   Autotech high pressure fuel pump.
â€¢   REVO stage 2+ ECU remap.
â€¢   REVO stage 2 DSG remap.
â€¢   Forge front mounted Twintercooler.
â€¢   Forge diverter valve.
â€¢   Forge K04 actuator.
â€¢   RS4 fuel return valve.
â€¢   Denso Iridium Power IK24 sparkplugs.
â€¢   Evolution Motorsport air intake.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre bonnet.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre wing mirror covers.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre rear spoiler.
â€¢   Carbon fibre front and rear VW badges.
â€¢   Ultra headlight conversion (Halogen).
â€¢   Valeo rear light LED conversion.
â€¢   TID styling carbon fibre paddleshift extensions.
â€¢   VW dealer fit cruise control.
â€¢   OSIR carbonfibre gearshift surround.
â€¢   Stainless steel Footrest cover.
â€¢   Seat height adjuster steel infills.
â€¢   Kenwood DNX 7200 headunit.
â€¢   Kenwood bluetooth adapter.
â€¢   Kenwood video IPOD connection.
â€¢   Rear parking camera.
â€¢   Hertz "Hi-energy" range speakers in the front and rear of the car.
â€¢   Hertz "Hi-energy" 10" subwoofer and enclosure built into the rear wheel arch.
â€¢   Audison 4 way amplifier.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 08:12:40 pm: ^^^^
Forgotten anything?....

....Rear strutbrace?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: big al on May 10, 2010, 08:14:11 pm: I would sell mate, (but not before you sell me your rear lights!!!)
Though in all seriousness, it would be saft to sell it after you have spent so much time and effort making it the car it is.
Though I guess that is part of the fun owning it, mod it, and once satisfied move on, a bit like women really..........?!
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: yin on May 10, 2010, 08:30:30 pm: Cheers Hurdy :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 10, 2010, 08:55:45 pm: Quote from: big al on May 10, 2010, 08:14:11 pm
Though I guess that is part of the fun owning it, mod it, and once satisfied move on, a bit like women really..........?!

Pimp my bride :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 09:10:20 pm: Quote from: jonnyc on May 10, 2010, 08:55:45 pm
Quote from: big al on May 10, 2010, 08:14:11 pm
Though I guess that is part of the fun owning it, mod it, and once satisfied move on, a bit like women really..........?!

Pimp my bride :wink:

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Clever one! :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on May 10, 2010, 09:58:38 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 10, 2010, 08:02:17 pm
Quote from: yin on May 10, 2010, 07:35:40 pm
Hurdy is the current spec of your car on here some where i have searched and can't find it

Having read your posts you really don't want to sell it do you :happy2:

There are a few more mods than these now, but this is the rough spec. :happy2:

â€¢   2 sets of wheels are used on the car, 17" and 18" Team Dynamics Pro race 1.2's.
â€¢   TAROX 10 pot front brake upgrade including discs, pads and braided hoses.5.1DOT fluid.
â€¢   Audi S3 rear brake upgrade including calipers, discs and pads.
â€¢   Autotech lightweight anti-roll bars front and rear.
â€¢   VF Engineering transmission and engine mounts.
â€¢   Whiteline anti-lift kit.
â€¢   Bilstein B16 PSS10 coilovers.
â€¢   Quaife limited slip ATB diff.
â€¢   Milltek turbo-back exhaust including downpipe, sports cat, custom decat section and resonated back box.
â€¢   Neuspeed Turbo discharge pipe.
â€¢   Autotech high pressure fuel pump.
â€¢   REVO stage 2+ ECU remap.
â€¢   REVO stage 2 DSG remap.
â€¢   Forge front mounted Twintercooler.
â€¢   Forge diverter valve.
â€¢   Forge K04 actuator.
â€¢   RS4 fuel return valve.
â€¢   Denso Iridium Power IK24 sparkplugs.
â€¢   Evolution Motorsport air intake.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre bonnet.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre wing mirror covers.
â€¢   OSIR silver carbon fibre rear spoiler.
â€¢   Carbon fibre front and rear VW badges.
â€¢   Ultra headlight conversion (Halogen).
â€¢   Valeo rear light LED conversion.
â€¢   TID styling carbon fibre paddleshift extensions.
â€¢   VW dealer fit cruise control.
â€¢   OSIR carbonfibre gearshift surround.
â€¢   Stainless steel Footrest cover.
â€¢   Seat height adjuster steel infills.
â€¢   Kenwood DNX 7200 headunit.
â€¢   Kenwood bluetooth adapter.
â€¢   Kenwood video IPOD connection.
â€¢   Rear parking camera.
â€¢   Hertz "Hi-energy" range speakers in the front and rear of the car.
â€¢   Hertz "Hi-energy" 10" subwoofer and enclosure built into the rear wheel arch.
â€¢   Audison 4 way amplifier.

Aaaaaaaand breath. :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: wigit on May 10, 2010, 10:52:57 pm: you can sense the vultures circulating already :party:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 10, 2010, 11:06:27 pm: Quote from: wigit on May 10, 2010, 10:52:57 pm

you can sense the vultures circulating already :party:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2FVultureCrew.jpg&hash=4f9beecf2329addbad12e1b387151503ed3af23c)
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: NeilM on May 10, 2010, 11:57:46 pm: You know you wont be able to let it go John, I thought I could (sorry Theo). :smiley:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 11, 2010, 12:09:51 am: Quote from: NeilM on May 10, 2010, 11:57:46 pm
You know you wont be able to let it go John, I thought I could (sorry Theo). :smiley:

....Does that mean you've decided to keep your GTI, Neil?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: NeilM on May 11, 2010, 12:23:25 am: Quote from: RedRobin on May 11, 2010, 12:09:51 am
Quote from: NeilM on May 10, 2010, 11:57:46 pm
You know you wont be able to let it go John, I thought I could (sorry Theo). :smiley:

....Does that mean you've decided to keep your GTI, Neil?

Yes but thats only part of the story, I've had to pull up some trees and extend my drive ... just doing my bit for the environment. :signLOL:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 11, 2010, 07:50:43 am: ^^^^
It's a great testament to the Mk5 GTI/Ed30 that so many owners are so full of praise when they do eventually part with them, or continue keeping them so long in spite of usually changing their car regularly often (Hurdy, for example) or, like yourself, keep them as a second car.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: animal on May 11, 2010, 02:17:30 pm: Quote from: FamilyDub on May 10, 2010, 01:17:47 pm
Quote from: Hurdy on May 09, 2010, 06:59:23 pm
I'm feeling the R36 transplant (with forced induction) with 4WD into a new shape Scirocco at the moment. A 600bhp Scirocco with 4WD and looking stock from the outside would be a great stealth car :smiley:

^^^ +1. :popcornsoda:

+2
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 11, 2010, 04:01:33 pm: I think Audi Rs3 or Golf R cant be ruled out :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Edition30 on May 11, 2010, 04:18:12 pm: Im going to chuck in my 2p worth in. Not read the whole thread as I havent time and on my way out in a minute so apologies if this has already been said.

The R32 is a great idea, always loved the Z4 vs MK4 R32 video so the MK5 can only be better. I would strip the useable parts from the ED30 (brakes, rims etc) and potentially put it back to standard as it will open your potential buyers market up a lot more.

How much more power are you getting from the 3.6 as apose to the 3.2...? Is it worth the hassle, time and money for them gains over the 3.2 lump?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hedge on May 11, 2010, 04:56:15 pm: Unless it is a blown 3.6 Golf or similar (twin turbo 350z anyone?) then I think it won't be more special than what you currently have.

At the end of the day this thread seems to come back to that fact that your current car is very hard to improve on without a bucket-load of cash and even then it wouldn't be a massive improvement.
Lets face it the Ed30 is a very competent car.

A hybrid K04 may suppress the cravings for more for a while but would that be enough???
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 11, 2010, 04:57:39 pm: hybrid and haldex conversion.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: cmdrfire on May 11, 2010, 05:11:07 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 11, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
hybrid and haldex conversion.

x2! :party:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: theo on May 11, 2010, 06:02:34 pm: Quote from: NeilM on May 10, 2010, 11:57:46 pm
You know you wont be able to let it go John, I thought I could (sorry Theo). :smiley:

All will be forgiven with shotgun in the new lightened ed30 :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: bindinbear on May 11, 2010, 10:15:27 pm: Mate,

Read through some of the replies. Personally, I love the ED30. Granted mine is nothing like yours, becuase mine is stock and it got some teething problems still despite being mint, but everytime I get in, it makes me smile. But when you go out to the garage and open the door and she's sat there saying 'come on, take me out for a spin!' Does it not put a smile on your face? If it doesn't and you are truely bored of the car, then she's gotta go! At the end of the day how much power do you need? I'm into bikes as well as cars and have ridden ones that you can outrun most supercars, but its as much fun at 30 as it is at 130! despite the short time it takes to get there (On the Autobahn in Germany of course, officer!) :signLOL: If you get my drift?

If you do change it back to stock, I'm interested in your rear LED clusters for my 30. :evilgrin:

Will be sorry to see you leave the ED30 club :sad1:

Keep us posted on your decision :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 11, 2010, 10:58:11 pm: Quote from: cmdrfire on May 11, 2010, 05:11:07 pm
Quote from: vRSy on May 11, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
hybrid and haldex conversion.

x2! :party:

May as well just get an S3 and put a hybrid K04 on that and swap the parts over :laugh:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 11, 2010, 11:02:53 pm: but that wouldnt be original then, it would just be an S3. if you did it to the golf it would be original
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 11, 2010, 11:04:52 pm: Had a deep conversation with my wife and the ED30 stays......for now.

She'd been a little fed up with me spending time on the ED30 and wanted me to get a "sensible car".....never going to happen, so after she'd actually listened to me about my car for hours, she said that she'd rather I keep the ED30 because she likes it over the alternatives I'd mentioned and that if I wanted to continue modding it, she wouldn't mind at all as long as it doesn't get to extreme for her to have a passenger ride in :laugh:

So.....

R1R's are on order
Looking into the K04 hybrid
Finishing off the internal work
Lightening the car

and focussing on getting down to a 12.5 at the 1/4 mile :happy2:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: wigit on May 11, 2010, 11:06:14 pm: good news john :party:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 11, 2010, 11:08:29 pm: same has happened with me mate. we decided to sell the car, but she hasnt liked any o the cars i wanted to buy and said why not just keep the vRS. She wasnt chuffed when i said id need to modify it again though as it feels rubbish now.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: gobbleplease on May 11, 2010, 11:09:15 pm: :signLOL: very understanding Mrs you have there !
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: RedRobin on May 11, 2010, 11:22:42 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 11, 2010, 11:04:52 pm
Had a deep conversation with my wife and the ED30 stays......for now.

She'd been a little fed up with me spending time on the ED30 and wanted me to get a "sensible car".....never going to happen, so after she'd actually listened to me about my car for hours, she said that she'd rather I keep the ED30 because she likes it over the alternatives I'd mentioned and that if I wanted to continue modding it, she wouldn't mind at all as long as it doesn't get to extreme for her to have a passenger ride in :laugh:

....I'm grinning from ear to ear! :grin: :laugh: :grin:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FDetailing%2FStickers%2Fsmiley_Grin.jpg&hash=89989b9b95a0b04909835d3bcb18a52cefce1620)

*cough* cage *cough*
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 11, 2010, 11:31:03 pm: Oh well but she knows how much how have stuck in it so that might be the reason :grin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 12, 2010, 08:03:56 am: Good news John. Sit on the penny pot for a while longer chap :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: T88OMM on May 12, 2010, 10:16:58 am: I think you have made the right choice John :happy2: :wink:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poppa Dom on May 12, 2010, 10:28:01 am: Good news John and IMHO the right choice at the moment - be interesting to see how things progress. Taking some weight out is going to make a difference for sure.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 12, 2010, 12:23:26 pm: Slimfast do a very tasty Milkshake to get things underway :chicken:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 12, 2010, 12:59:09 pm: Quote from: Saint Steve on May 12, 2010, 12:23:26 pm
Slimfast do a very tasty Milkshake to get things underway :chicken:

:signLOL: :P
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Saint Steve on May 12, 2010, 01:11:58 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 12, 2010, 12:59:09 pm
Quote from: Saint Steve on May 12, 2010, 12:23:26 pm
Slimfast do a very tasty Milkshake to get things underway :chicken:

:signLOL: :P

:love:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hedge on May 12, 2010, 02:33:16 pm: For when every tenth counts I give you Picolax. :pomppomp:
Some of you may have experienced this already and you have my sympathies.

Here is a little something I found. http://www.singletrackworld.com/2009/02/the-picolax-thread-returns/

The official version. http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002076.html
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: chungster on May 12, 2010, 05:20:37 pm: so Hurdy if you're gonna go down the road of the Hybrid K04 would be using yet a.n.other map on your car (i.e. Jabba!)

or can the Revo map be adapted to max the potential of the new turbo?
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 12, 2010, 05:44:13 pm: the revo would just be an adapted map. Id be going custom i i fitted the hybrid. Can REVO do custom jobs or are they mnot into that??
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 12, 2010, 05:55:58 pm: There's not going to be that much difference to warrant changing the stage 2+ Chungster. Adaptation could be done through the SPS+ controller.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: NeilM on May 13, 2010, 01:52:52 pm: Quote from: Hurdy on May 11, 2010, 11:04:52 pm

So.....

R1R's are on order

Like these ones John,

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Foo163%2Fneilmelvin%2FR1Rs.jpg&hash=63f9e821e8339cd293caac8ad1c4b5547c5248d6)

:smiley:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: jonnyc on May 13, 2010, 01:55:43 pm: 225's??? Tut tut tut.. :grin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on May 13, 2010, 04:13:40 pm: Quote from: NeilM on May 13, 2010, 01:52:52 pm
Quote from: Hurdy on May 11, 2010, 11:04:52 pm

So.....

R1R's are on order

Like these ones John,

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Foo163%2Fneilmelvin%2FR1Rs.jpg&hash=63f9e821e8339cd293caac8ad1c4b5547c5248d6)

:smiley:

Yes, but mine are now on the car Neil :grin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 13, 2010, 05:18:20 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 02:34:23 pm
S4s are really heavy though
And . . . . . they still outhandle highly modded evo9s and Scoobies, even when Scoobies peddled by class 1 plod instructors.

This was untouchable on a track day:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FTeutonic_Tamer%2Fmy_Audi_B6_S4_sal%2FS4_TrackDay_pm_2679.jpg&hash=662ff20e0f3b1ddee8a757b68ab25db156a1e8f6)
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 13, 2010, 05:21:51 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on May 09, 2010, 06:19:28 pm
build quality does not matter as its all coming out of the car he says so it makes better sense to have a lighter 4wd car that is built for the job ie a rally car

Of course 'build quality' matters - particularly when you are referring to the structural strength and rigidity of the bodyshell. One of the main reasons Jap cars are so light is because they generally have light and weak bodyshells - not really an issue if you fit a full cage, but a serious disadvantage for a road car.
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on May 13, 2010, 05:28:40 pm: Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 06:53:06 pm
My thinking is that hurdy isn't purely into 1/4 miles drags, he does track days as well, so that rules out the S4 RS4 in my mind.
You must have been reading too many rice mags. The B6/B7 S4, and B7 RS4 - when used in anger on a track will leave evos and scoobs standing . . . .
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Poverty on May 13, 2010, 06:02:48 pm: Quote from: Teutonic_Tamer on May 13, 2010, 05:28:40 pm
Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 06:53:06 pm
My thinking is that hurdy isn't purely into 1/4 miles drags, he does track days as well, so that rules out the S4 RS4 in my mind.
You must have been reading too many rice mags. The B6/B7 S4, and B7 RS4 - when used in anger on a track will leave evos and scoobs standing . . . .

stock vs stock this is true. Rs4 did the ring in 7 mins 58 afterall
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 13, 2010, 06:16:01 pm: Quote from: Teutonic_Tamer on May 13, 2010, 05:28:40 pm
Quote from: vRSy on May 09, 2010, 06:53:06 pm
My thinking is that hurdy isn't purely into 1/4 miles drags, he does track days as well, so that rules out the S4 RS4 in my mind.
You must have been reading too many rice mags. The B6/B7 S4, and B7 RS4 - when used in anger on a track will leave evos and scoobs standing . . . .

I dont doubt that the big engined quattro audis are fast as fook and quick on track, i absolutely love them, but if i wanted a car to take on track and the 1/4 mile it still wouldnt be a big audi. Scoobys and evos would be much more involving and fun, as your not throwing a big heavy car around.

queue the abuse for saying that :grin:
Title: Re: Thinking of bailing out on my ED30!!!!
Post by: tony_danza on May 13, 2010, 07:49:49 pm: Sport Auto's official Ring lap results:

B7 S4 8:29

WRX STI 8:10
Evo IX 8:11

Just goes to show you how driver's balls can make a lot of difference. Very underrated car the B7 S4, very stealth too... but you can't beat physics and the lighter jap-crap will, in the hands of the same driver, pretty much beat it.

As a track tool out of the box, lighter on consumables and arguable better set up for session longevity in terms of brakes etc. than the Audi too.