MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Top Cat on May 22, 2010, 11:40:09 pm
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Help please guys, i have been getting a serious urge to trade in my car for one of these in white or black. There was one at the ring recently with some black CH's on and since then have been fighting off unhealthy urges i just love the long bonnet, but the back end view needs work to my eye.
Help dissuade me before its to late. :scared: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/bmw/z4/postcode/wa11ts/radius/1500/colour/white/body-type/coupe/sort/priceasc
And dont worry thats not my postcode. :wink:
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Mmm tuff one :laugh: rwd 3.2 m car or a golf :confused: defo rwd for me next and the noise you will get :drool:
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do it. :happy2:
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1536569.htm
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no competition fo me. BMW ftw
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First dibs on any parts you sell from your car.
For my next car, was definitely looking at beemers. I'm not a fan of convertibles so, for me, those coupes look awesome.
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Doooooooooooo itttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!! That engine is an utter masterpiece!
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Reminded me of this thread
http://www.detailingworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29145
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coupe dynamically is better , but youd get sooo much enjoyment out of a softtop , the noise is :innocent:
chalk and cheese to the GTI really.
do it :happy2:
(Ive always liked the older Z3M too , so heres a gratuitus pic :signLOL:)
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a guy in my village is looking to get one of these and test drove a z3 msport that was his brother in laws and then test drove the z4 m sport and he was in love. says its unbelievable but the z3 m sport is mad apparently he sed theres no traction control which makes overtaking a mamouth task let alone driving it nuts out!
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I had a Z3 Softtop for about 3 weeks, it was a 2.8 and was a total handful in the wet. Standard car/tyres stopped using it as it sh1t me up about 3 times one weekend - and I wasn't particularly pushing! DSC+T notwithstanding!!!!!!
Lord knows what these are like come the winter
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do it :happy2:
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Nice car, but not ideal if you have a small family.
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Would be nice as a second car. If you have family though no chance.
They do sound nice at full chat.
You only live once though so why not enjoy it :smiley:
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A mate of mine has one and they sound awesome on full chat :grin: He did get annoyed though cos even with 60bhp more than my 350Z i was always filling his rear view mirror on the track days we did together. :driver:
Do it TC you only live once
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I was hoping for you lot to put me off a bit, by telling me horror stories about service costs or some belt somewhere that goes after a time and costs thousands to change. :sad1:
Thanks for not helping. :booty:
I have done a quick search but couldn't find a dedicated forum for these. Anyone know a goodin for some research. :indifferent:
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I'd have a Z4 M Coupe in a heartbeat - absolutely love them :love:
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This car was on Top Gear last night as it goes, their Verdict was get the Nissan 370GT instead.
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I was hoping for you lot to put me off a bit, by telling me horror stories about service costs or some belt somewhere that goes after a time and costs thousands to change. :sad1:
Thanks for not helping. :booty:
I have done a quick search but couldn't find a dedicated forum for these. Anyone know a goodin for some research. :indifferent:
There are very few forums for individual BMW models I've found. I'd look for BMW 'M' forums, which there are a few, or alternatively you could look on E46 M3 forums because they share the same engine as the Z4M.
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BMW over a Nissan any day (unless its a GTR) 350's 370's etc dont do it for me
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^^^ Since when ever does Jeremy clarkson Top Gear top Tip ever be correct :wink:
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This car was on Top Gear last night as it goes, their Verdict was get the Nissan 370GT instead.
That was the new Z4 actually, and I seem to remember their verdict was; buy the BMW because it is slower, more expensive and less well equipped :laugh:
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you fag
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ok ill put you off a bit inspection 2 service £1000, front disks £350, ceased calipers are common, the brakes suffer from fade quite easily when pushing on, tuning these engines are pretty pointless unless you are going the supercharging route (about 8k for ESS VT kit) where as you could easily spend 4k on the best selected engine mods and would only make 30bhp tops, also dont think that the Z4m will be any quicker than a well tuned GTI, if anything id say the gti feels quicker
Although TBH all the above are pretty poor excuses not to buy one of the best looking cars ever produced, with an ace engine and exhaust note, amazing handeling and blistering pace. Id have one in a heatbeat,
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Z4M vs Cayman s vs GTI/ED/S3.........discuss...... :party:
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ok ill put you off a bit inspection 2 service £1000, front disks £350, ceased calipers are common, the brakes suffer from fade quite easily when pushing on, tuning these engines are pretty pointless unless you are going the supercharging route (about 8k for ESS VT kit) where as you could easily spend 4k on the best selected engine mods and would only make 30bhp tops, also dont think that the Z4m will be any quicker than a well tuned GTI, if anything id say the gti feels quicker
Although TBH all the above are pretty poor excuses not to buy one of the best looking cars ever produced, with an ace engine and exhaust note, amazing handeling and blistering pace. Id have one in a heatbeat,
Second service a grand. :chicken: Not too worried about the brakes I am sure DaveB can sort me some cheaper and better. Only performance mods would be a zorst i think.
Hmm rrsearch continues. :smiley:
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ok ill put you off a bit inspection 2 service £1000, front disks £350, ceased calipers are common, the brakes suffer from fade quite easily when pushing on, tuning these engines are pretty pointless unless you are going the supercharging route (about 8k for ESS VT kit) where as you could easily spend 4k on the best selected engine mods and would only make 30bhp tops, also dont think that the Z4m will be any quicker than a well tuned GTI, if anything id say the gti feels quicker
Although TBH all the above are pretty poor excuses not to buy one of the best looking cars ever produced, with an ace engine and exhaust note, amazing handeling and blistering pace. Id have one in a heatbeat,
Second service a grand. :chicken: Not too worried about the brakes I am sure DaveB can sort me some cheaper and better. Only performance mods would be a zorst i think.
Hmm rrsearch continues. :smiley:
I've read of independents charging c. £500 for an inspection 2.
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Z4M vs Cayman s vs GTI/ED/S3.........discuss...... :party:
obvoiusly price is a large factor when it comes to tuned hot hatch vs. sports car debate.
As mentioned servicing and parts costs take a big hike and then there's after market goodies. I saw a cayman s supercharged, full zorst and remapped by a german tuner (can't find the link but think it was on worldcarfans) and it must have been touching 12k of work.. But what a machine and it would be unique/cool as hell.
On the othe hand we all know what an eddy or s3 can do with a stage2 and upwards. Nothing like being the little guy blitzing the doosh that spent twice as much cash on the posh wheels.
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Z4M vs Cayman s vs GTI/ED/S3.........discuss...... :party:
I think it also depends on your preference as to whether you favour a car that is quick "off-the-shelf", or one that needs to be modified, which in turn demands a fair bit of knowledge, commitment and careful consideration as to what you do with it. Whereas the GTI/S3 is undoubtedly an accomplished car there is still a Euro hatch underneath it. The Cayman in particular was designed from the outset to be a performance car, not a family car.
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totally agree with that. if money wasn't an issue and it grew in vast amounts on trees at the bottom of my garden :signLOL:
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Well I'm sure in some cases it's six and two threes. There will be people around here that have spent new(ish) Cayman S money on their Golfs or S3s.
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purely a taste thing, but for me its fookin ugly :sick:
the swage lines make the car look bent in the middle, the bonnet is too bulbous and far too long, drive with another male in the front and its "ello sailor" as well if youve got the drop top
its your boat and if it floats it then do it, but for me it does absolutely nothing at all...nadda... zero... ziltch... zip... i couldnt live with the looks, regardless of the engine being a masterpiece blah blah blah
oh.. and good luck in the winter, buy some sensible shoes, a bus pass or a second car cos you'll be going no where in the wet/sleet/snow/damp/mildly moist :laugh:
simply pointless car considering the others in its class or within the BMW range for that matter
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simply pointless car considering the others in its class or within the BMW range for that matter
How is it pointless? It was originally a roadster, that has been made into a coupe. By that theory you are also saying that a Porsche Cayman is pointless too?
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simply pointless car considering the others in its class or within the BMW range for that matter
How is it pointless? It was originally a roadster, that has been made into a coupe. By that theory you are also saying that a Porsche Cayman is pointless too?
nope i didnt mention the cayman at all, were talking about 1 car not 1 style of car and taking all manufacturers into account :smiley:
i simply dont like them, i allowed that opinion, it is after all a discussion board no? :wink: :drinking:
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i suppose they are close to pointless, they're not soft top or folding roof, but not saloon, having said that they are all serious weapons if they are a tuned s3 or a standard cayman s in the right (or wrong) hands they can be put to good use!
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Been lapping a Z4 this weekend, it was fun! An M would be super funny. I love the feeling of sliding in it when you're sat on the rear wheels.
I'd still choose the Cayman S over it though, out of the box perfect. Get sticky tyres and talent/balls then destroy everything.
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Really like these cars after seeing a few at the ring over the weekend, heres a few pics for you TC
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ff89%2Fyfzben27%2FIMG_0123.jpg&hash=587389deb2d0ce07e6bc1a6065871ec0ff889f03)
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AArrrghh i am at work so cant see pics. :sad1:
will take a look tomorrow. Cheers. :drinking:
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I have a Z4 M Roadster ....
I bought it after selling my Edition 30 (which was rather successfully Bluefin remapped :evilgrin:)
I miss the Edition 30. Remapped it was quicker than the Z4M but the thing is, one is RWD with effortless power easily deployed and also makes a gorgeous noise !!
The Z4M is not too bad on petrol for what it is .... I have consistently got 24mpg which I don't think is too bad for the sort of car it is. The problem is the tank is too small so you are forever filling it up. 200-220 miles on a tank is a pain.
The suspension is hard but the car is supposed to be a sports car so I don't mind or find it too bad. The seats are very firm but actually quite good. The steering is very direct and the car is quite lively (which you should expect) but the odd thing is that I find it easy to drive for long distances without getting tired.
If you want a car with a superb engine and power everywhere then get one. It is quite quick to say the least but a remapped S3/Ed30 is at least as quick on the move.
Downsides ... te gearchange is unbelievably cr*p ..... very notchy and obstructive 1st to 2nd and 3rd to 2nd. I drove three before I bought mine and all were the same - it is a well known gripe. Tyres come in at £230 each. Oil service is about £250-300. Inspection 1 service £800 and Inspection 2 is £1100-1200. Road Tax £400+ with suitably dear insurance as oddly, some people have stuffed them big time. I am 44 and pay just under £700 with full prot NCB.
If the above hasn't put you off then go try a Coupe ..... same car as mine but obviously with a roof and really good looks .....
Hope this helps you :wink:
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the white m coupe is :drool: :drool: :drool: like wow...what bhp are the z4 coupes? i know theres like 3 different engines is the m coupe 330ish?
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i ve been looking at these too TC ,i ve also looked at a cayman s and boxter s but for the money you can get newer lower milage z4m, cant compare the s3 to the z4m cause its a completely different animal , bhp is 343 , i would say my s3 feels quicker but the z4m feels like a real sports car , not looked at a white coupe but will now cause they look cool , go drive one TC think you ll like
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^^^ Since when ever does Jeremy clarkson Top Gear top Tip ever be correct :wink:
.............when he did the MK5 GTI. :wink: :happy2:
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i ve had a z4m today for a good 2 hours test drive , it is an 08 plate roadster in sepang bronze , lovely looking car so here are my thoughts ..... first start up the engine sounds great well exhaust sounds great the 3.2 m3 engine is super quiet BUT imo my s3 with non res milltek on song sounds as good if not better , its a fast car BUT my s3 with stage 1 CC is faster (not as much torque by quite a way )but much more go , build quality again imo the audi has the edge here too , the interior is like chalk and cheese compared to my s3 the bmw rattles and squeeks all over the place seats are good but no where near the vag recaro s, the general drive and handling is good , its well planted BUT nothing like the s3 , so overall the z4m is a nice sports/ soft top car BUT not as good as s3 in any area really , hth TC
problem i have now is what the hell do i go for now ???? :happy2:
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Cayman S.
Unfortunately, after a mapped S3, there's not a lot out there for the money that is a lot faster, however speed isn't everything....
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Really like these cars after seeing a few at the ring over the weekend, heres a few pics for you TC
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ff89%2Fyfzben27%2FIMG_0123.jpg&hash=587389deb2d0ce07e6bc1a6065871ec0ff889f03)
That looks :sick: , part of me likes the Z4m but its still to poncy for me.
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Cayman S.
Unfortunately, after a mapped S3, there's not a lot out there for the money that is a lot faster, however speed isn't everything....
who cares how fast it is as your all talking stock car v mapped up s3 and ed30 its not the same :rolleye: trust me after jumping out of my ed30 into a 360bhp rwd porsche i was like :drool: :drool: all over the floor :laugh: its not all about POWER you know its about how the car is to drive and we all know nothing is as good as an S3 :rolleye: candy :P :booty:
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i know what your saying mat , power is nt every thing in fact the drive is more important to me but the z4m dont do that brilliantly either , i drove a cayman S the other week and it dont compare to the z4m
going to look at another rs4 this morning any way so :booty:
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The Z4 Coupe are stunning!
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i know what your saying mat , power is nt every thing in fact the drive is more important to me but the z4m dont do that brilliantly either , i drove a cayman S the other week and it dont compare to the z4m
going to look at another rs4 this morning any way so :booty:
RS4 buy it!! I would buy one but I cannot justify it yet
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i know what your saying mat , power is nt every thing in fact the drive is more important to me but the z4m dont do that brilliantly either , i drove a cayman S the other week and it dont compare to the z4m
going to look at another rs4 this morning any way so :booty:
yes but you know the s3 is poo :booty: :booty: :P bland car hence you looking at its bigger brother that has a bit more about it :grin:
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^^mate if the S3 poo , what is the ed 30 ? ive had both and audi is a head of the golf every where (i know this is a golf forum but come on ) not going for rs 4 cause the s3 is poo i just like a change , dont want to spend much more money than the s3 and i cant find any thing better , looked at a red golf R on pistonheds all the toys looked :drool: :drool: but £40 k (we ve been here before )
and it looks like this .....
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dont want to spend much more money than the s3 and i cant find any thing better
That might not help you in your search! I'm surprised you didn't like the Z4M, Ive driven a few 3.0si models and loved them so I can only imagine the Z4m is just better.
Just go for the RS4, I did after my S3, and you'll soon forget about the S3, and realise what a bland drive it is(no offence but you'll know what I mean). everything you do in the RS4 is such an occasion
Other than that, what about an E92 M3, Ive not driven one, but they look and sound awesome and get rave reviews.
Lexus ISF??
Passat R36??
Porsche 911 Carrera S.
they would all be on my shortlist.
Good luck in your search and enjoy the test drives
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Cayman S.
Unfortunately, after a mapped S3, there's not a lot out there for the money that is a lot faster, however speed isn't everything....
who cares how fast it is as your all talking stock car v mapped up s3 and ed30 its not the same :rolleye: trust me after jumping out of my ed30 into a 360bhp rwd porsche i was like :drool: :drool: all over the floor :laugh: its not all about POWER you know its about how the car is to drive and we all know nothing is as good as an S3 :rolleye: candy :P :booty:
Did you misread my quote, or am I misreading yours, because what you've put is what I said! Speed/power isnt evrything, for me its more the complete package.
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dont want to spend much more money than the s3 and i cant find any thing better
That might not help you in your search! I'm surprised you didn't like the Z4M, Ive driven a few 3.0si models and loved them so I can only imagine the Z4m is just better.
In some aspects the 3.0si Sport is better than the M. Some find that the M (especially the coupe) is too stiff and I would say after driving both models a fair bit that the handling on a 3.0si Sport is generally better. And in terms of the M, a Cayman would walk all over it in the corners. But the M has such a sense of occasion with that engine sound, and it looks fantastic! So for that reason I wouldn't buy the M for it's handling.
If a person wants BMW ownership, coupled with the sense of occasion that the S54 engine provides and handling to suit then they should consider an E46 M3! All IMO of course :smiley:
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i did like the z4m but i was expecting it to be better so i felt a little disapointed tbh i m not a bmw fan , the car with the roof down didnt make the noise i was expecting either , lovely car to look at and i expect once you got used to it nice to own too :happy2:
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i did like the z4m but i was expecting it to be better so i felt a little disapointed tbh i m not a bmw fan , the car with the roof down didnt make the noise i was expecting either , lovely car to look at and i expect once you got used to it nice to own too :happy2:
Thats what it mostly bears down to - especially with German car fans. They're either a VAG fan, BMW fan or Merc fan and the majority don't really deviate at all! (not criticising, just stating, so not a comment towards anyone in this thread haha)!
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BMW and VW man here ! ^^^^^^^^^^^
i ve had a z4m today for a good 2 hours test drive , it is an 08 plate roadster in sepang bronze , lovely looking car so here are my thoughts ..... first start up the engine sounds great well exhaust sounds great the 3.2 m3 engine is super quiet BUT imo my s3 with non res milltek on song sounds as good if not better , its a fast car BUT my s3 with stage 1 CC is faster (not as much torque by quite a way )but much more go , build quality again imo the audi has the edge here too , the interior is like chalk and cheese compared to my s3 the bmw rattles and squeeks all over the place seats are good but no where near the vag recaro s, the general drive and handling is good , its well planted BUT nothing like the s3 , so overall the z4m is a nice sports/ soft top car BUT not as good as s3 in any area really , hth TC
problem i have now is what the hell do i go for now ???? :happy2:
Why are you saying that the ZM has more torque i thought that you had a remap on the s3 ! If the ZM makes more torque than your s3 id be taking it back and telling them to get it sorted you should be at least 50lbft up on a Z4m.
Also saying that one of the sh*ttest sounding petrol engines ever made sounds better than a straight 6 M engine is bloody bonkers ! even if you have a miltek it still isnt a patch on the M tunes IMO, Infact im sure your probably one of the only people in the world who think this !
Not getting at you mate, its just that someone on the forum is looking at buying one, and wanted to make sure he had the correct information
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BMW and VW man here ! ^^^^^^^^^^^
i ve had a z4m today for a good 2 hours test drive , it is an 08 plate roadster in sepang bronze , lovely looking car so here are my thoughts ..... first start up the engine sounds great well exhaust sounds great the 3.2 m3 engine is super quiet BUT imo my s3 with non res milltek on song sounds as good if not better , its a fast car BUT my s3 with stage 1 CC is faster (not as much torque by quite a way )but much more go , build quality again imo the audi has the edge here too , the interior is like chalk and cheese compared to my s3 the bmw rattles and squeeks all over the place seats are good but no where near the vag recaro s, the general drive and handling is good , its well planted BUT nothing like the s3 , so overall the z4m is a nice sports/ soft top car BUT not as good as s3 in any area really , hth TC
problem i have now is what the hell do i go for now ???? :happy2:
Why are you saying that the ZM has more torque i thought that you had a remap on the s3 ! If the ZM makes more torque than your s3 id be taking it back and telling them to get it sorted you should be at least 50lbft up on a Z4m.
Also saying that one of the sh*ttest sounding petrol engines ever made sounds better than a straight 6 M engine is bloody bonkers ! even if you have a miltek it still isnt a patch on the M tunes IMO, Infact im sure your probably one of the only people in the world who think this !
Not getting at you mate, its just that someone on the forum is looking at buying one, and wanted to make sure he had the correct information
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i must be unique then pal cause the M noise did nt do that much for me , dont know about the torque figures but the z4m felt like it had more grunt , 1st gear is nt needed ! what car do you drive pal ?
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GTI
ive had two M3s previous though, i cant remember of the top of my head but the S54 (m3 Z4M Powerplant) makes roughly 264lbft and i would of expected a mapped s3 to make over 300.
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i agree my s3 should be 300 + torque must just be how the car feels difference between big 6 and 2.0 turbo, the s3 is fine pal been giving it a work out on some good b roads today and trust me the custom code is spot on
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you should keep it mate it looks good, still and RS4 isnt to be sniffed at :smiley:
I know the RS4 would be quicker but i reccon there wouldnt be much in it with yours at stage 2+
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Theres little in a standard S3 and RS4. A stage 2 one will wee on it
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But who cares it's not a pissing contest :rolleye: my cars faster than yours crap is a bit old now :rolleye: if your mapped car is as fast then good on you but stick a charger or turbo on an rs4 or any big Na engine then it's good bye hatchback :P and we all know it
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Oh dont get me wrong, i was just replying to the post above regarding a comparison to a stage2, if i could have either i would have the RS4. It was well out of my price range!
I had a slow heavy R32 99% because of the noise, so im allowed to comment :signLOL:
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So did I :signLOL:
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We also both had minis
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I have had 2 cooper s and a works :ashamed: oh well
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But who cares it's not a pissing contest :rolleye: my cars faster than yours crap is a bit old now :rolleye: if your mapped car is as fast then good on you but stick a charger or turbo on an rs4 or any big Na engine then it's good bye hatchback :P and we all know it
Agreed, and I had a MKIV and a MKV R32 also