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Title: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: JKM on January 20, 2009, 04:12:02 pm
Hi Guys and Girls,

We would like to hold a rolling road day for the forum in March. Thinking Saturday April 18th or 25th.  :driver:

Most of you have been before to our RR days but for those who haven’t it is a great day

The cost of the power run is £30 (reduced from the normal £50). For this you get three back to back runs on the dyno with a graph print out of your best run.

The day starts around 9am and we usually run around 25 cars (minimum of 10 for the day to go ahead)
Free tea/coffee and biscuits on site for all runners and spectators.

Previous rolling road day results can be seen here: http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryRollingroad.htm

This is a feeler at present, please let me know if you are interested and I will get an official thread started.

Kate  :smiley:

(date changed on request)
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: Hurdy on January 20, 2009, 04:23:49 pm
Hmm,

I'd be a definite maybe on this one. As a northern lad it is a bit of a trek down to Portsmouth, but my Uncle lives down there and so (depending on him being at home!) I could make a long weekend of it :smiley:

I'll keep an eye on this thread and see how much interest there is. :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: joesgti on January 20, 2009, 04:29:10 pm
too far for me unfortunatly  :sad:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: illyun on January 20, 2009, 04:30:12 pm
I'll come along  :driver:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 20, 2009, 04:30:16 pm
I'll definitely come down and see all those in attendance if this meet goes ahead...

Whether or not I run on the RR is dependent on funds, or whether I've fiddled with my Revo settings.

That probably doesn't help things in the slightest!

I'm going to make a few calls regarding my Revo settings tomorrow, so I'll be able to say whether I'll run on the RR in due course...

Chris  :smiley: :jumpmove:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 07:08:14 pm
....

I'm up for it, Kate - You know what a slapper I am! :evilgrin:

It's also an opportunity to check my engine's health.

Btw, my car is now somewhat lower - I hope I can get onto your Dyno!

[which reminds me I should post praising JKM's usual great service re my DS2500 pads]

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FGarageRamp_Solution.jpg&hash=de940da36d3e949e10f86090d9ebdc01948c1d2f)
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: CocoPops on January 20, 2009, 07:28:13 pm
@ Kate - Yes please, I'll run.

@ RR - My car has 11.5cm splitter to floor clearance and ran fine, if that helps?
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: stealthwolf on January 20, 2009, 07:36:45 pm
I might be able to make it, but nothing's changed on the car since I bought it.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: Phil Mcavity on January 20, 2009, 07:51:10 pm
Count me in kate, will need to check date with work but should be no problem :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: john_o on January 20, 2009, 07:59:11 pm
would love to but its a bit of a trek so would need to be a provisional at this stage  :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 08:22:11 pm
@ RR - My car has 11.5cm splitter to floor clearance and ran fine, if that helps?

....Yes, that's very helpful :drinking:

I'll measure my clearance tomorrow :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: Hedge on January 20, 2009, 08:23:43 pm
Not too far from me. I could be tempted. :smiley:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 08:38:24 pm
Not too far from me. I could be tempted. :smiley:

....Then be tempted! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

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Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: bacillus on January 20, 2009, 11:16:04 pm
I'm going to make a few calls regarding my Revo settings tomorrow, so I'll be able to say whether I'll run on the RR in due course...

Care to elaborate??   :confused:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 20, 2009, 11:20:06 pm
I'm going to make a few calls regarding my Revo settings tomorrow, so I'll be able to say whether I'll run on the RR in due course...

Care to elaborate??   :confused:

Without meaning to spam this thread...

Just been exchanging a few PM's with Carl from Revo on the other forum, and he thinks that my boost should be able to be plugged up much higher than 6, and my fuel could go from 8 (currently) to 9, without inducing any form of fuel cut. However this is contrary to what Keith at JKM found.

Not saying either party is wrong but I just want to get to the bottom of it really, whilst also working within the limits of the engine components!  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 20, 2009, 11:36:56 pm
^^^^
Be aware that Carl tends to err on the side of chasing more POWER!! Carl was encouraging me to up mine beyond 7 but I prefer to take JKM Keith's advice on this as Keith has data logged and dyno'd my individual car many times.

I'm running Boost 6 and Fuel 9. Upping the Boost to 7 will increase power but my car is nicely balanced and driveable as it is. But ETTO as always. I used to run Boost 7 before my boost leak problem.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: bacillus on January 21, 2009, 10:29:03 am


Just been exchanging a few PM's with Carl from Revo on the other forum, and he thinks that my boost should be able to be plugged up much higher than 6, and my fuel could go from 8 (currently) to 9, without inducing any form of fuel cut. However this is contrary to what Keith at JKM found.


You can put the boost up as far as you like as there isn't any harm if the turbo can't make the requested boost levels, you'll just make it work harder. The downside is that with more boost you'll probably want more fuel which is where an uprate pump helps to stop fuel cuts.

If you don't have an uprated HPFP then keep F@9 as the standard pump tends not to be able to keep up the requested rail pressure at mid rpm if set to lower than F9.

Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 21, 2009, 11:34:34 am
You can put the boost up as far as you like as there isn't any harm if the turbo can't make the requested boost levels, you'll just make it work harder. The downside is that with more boost you'll probably want more fuel which is where an uprate pump helps to stop fuel cuts.

....Making the turbo work harder - Hmm, been there and done that (boost requests in the 90%'s) and not keen to repeat. More fuel and therefore an upgraded fuel pump - Hmm, and on it goes down that slippery slope :grin:

If you don't have an uprated HPFP then keep F@9 as the standard pump tends not to be able to keep up the requested rail pressure at mid rpm if set to lower than F9.

....Good to know that Fuel should be kept at 9 for an oem FP :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: JKM on January 23, 2009, 02:07:57 pm
Hi All,

We have had a request to move the date to April time either Sat 18th or 25th. This will hopefully bring better warmer weather and also will spread out events on the forum calender.
 
This is still a feeler at this stage and a new thread will go up in February for you all to add your names to.

Many Thanks and have a good weekend all
Kate
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: illyun on January 23, 2009, 03:26:32 pm

....Making the turbo work harder - Hmm, been there and done that (boost requests in the 90%'s) and not keen to repeat. More fuel and therefore an upgraded fuel pump - Hmm, and on it goes down that slippery slope :grin:


Is that why your turbo broke?  It was a cracked wastegate I think...  I'm going in for Revo Stage 2+ on Wednesday, although with moderate settings.  I don't plan to use all that power too often - only when I need it occasionally  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:  I hope my turbo doesn't go bang  :sad:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: illyun on January 23, 2009, 03:29:29 pm
^^^^
Be aware that Carl tends to err on the side of chasing more POWER!! Carl was encouraging me to up mine beyond 7 but I prefer to take JKM Keith's advice on this as Keith has data logged and dyno'd my individual car many times.

I'm running Boost 6 and Fuel 9. Upping the Boost to 7 will increase power but my car is nicely balanced and driveable as it is. But ETTO as always.  I used to run Boost 7 before my boost leak problem.

I have to agree there Robin... I drove my Mk2 16v to Hook (Hampshire) yesterday and while its only got 139bhp compared to the 320bhp I am used to on the Ed30, it actually seemed just as much fun to drive if not more   :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 23, 2009, 03:38:35 pm
^^^^
AutoExpress voted the Mk2 GTI the best of all and Mk5 second.

Btw, yesterday I photographed a lump of metal (finely engineered) which has your name on it  :wink:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: illyun on January 23, 2009, 04:24:24 pm
^^^^
AutoExpress voted the Mk2 GTI the best of all and Mk5 second.

Btw, yesterday I photographed a lump of metal (finely engineered) which has your name on it  :wink:

Oooooo... now I'm getting very excited.  Just went to the bank and withdrew the cash today.. Can't wait till Monday.   :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:  ... how long did your Quaife install take?
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 23, 2009, 04:41:40 pm
^^^^
At the time Quaife delivered the wrong one which then screwed up the planned schedule because there was urgent racing car work. The actual install takes up the best part of a day IIRC but Mark will advise you more precisely.

I'll post a pic in the Quaife Review thread.

:happy2:
 
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: vRStu on January 24, 2009, 10:12:03 pm
Sadly I don't think I'll be able to make April 18th or 25th but I think you're all big boys and can manage without me holding anyone's hand   :rolleye:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: neg on January 25, 2009, 10:43:54 pm
Subscribed, its possible but cant commit due to distance and little one due before then.


boost requests in the 90%'s

This is normal on the K03, I checked with Revo Kev, go on you know you want to  :wink:

Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 03:33:13 pm
boost requests in the 90%'s

This is normal on the K03, I checked with Revo Kev, go on you know you want to  :wink:
boost requests in the 90%'s

This is normal on the K03, I checked with Revo Kev, go on you know you want to  :wink:

....We're both slightly wrong!

Boost Requests are expressed in millbars and not % (my mistake).

I should have written that it was my Wastegate Duty Cycle which was running in the 90%'s while I had the leak (not "normal"!) and it's now back in the 70%'s with Boost 6, so has plenty of 'headroom'.

If I reset to Boost 7, my max bhp is likely to rise and also torque range, BUT: my K03 won't continue pulling as strongly as she currently does at higher revs - Which I find useful as I use the gears a lot.

So, I'm going to keep my car balanced as she currently is.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: WhiteGTI on January 26, 2009, 03:41:19 pm
Poor Kate, we (I) have kind of ruined her topic  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 03:49:14 pm
Poor Kate, we (I) have kind of ruined her topic  :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:

....Not really, cos she'll re-post when the new date is known. And my car's Revo settings are all done at JKM.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: JKM on January 26, 2009, 03:52:01 pm
It's OK I don't mind  :sad:  :smiley:

I can appreciate April is a way off so as Robin said I will put another thread up towards the end of February with the known date.

Feel Free to chat away  :happy2:

Kate  :grouphug:

Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 04:33:42 pm
^^^^
Ooooooh!! You little lurker, K88! :love: :evilgrin:

Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: neg on January 26, 2009, 05:19:13 pm
The N75/Wastegate duty is what I was refferring too, I also thougt 90's was high but after speaking to Kev he confirmed for the K03 this is normal when running higher boost  :confused:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 06:05:45 pm
^^^^
Yes, higher Boost settings would result in higher duties etc, and this would be "normal" in the sense of what you would expect when running higher boost.

However, I much prefer to maintain more 'headroom' for the sake of longevity/reliability and I am perfectly happy with my car's performance (and handling!!).
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: neg on January 26, 2009, 06:13:13 pm
the difference between B6 and B9 for example isnt a great deal - just over 2psi. I need some more logs from another K03 to compare.

I dont doubt your happy at all, and I am not trying to convince you otherwise - just trying to get to the bottom of it.

Out of interest did you stick with your original N75 do you know..?
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 06:38:57 pm
^^^^
2 psi doesn't seem much but I remember feeling a power difference and my boost gauge's behaviour when running B7 previously.

Did I stick with my original N75? - I don't know. I don't remember what a N75 is.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: neg on January 26, 2009, 06:50:24 pm
^^  :laugh: , I know you dont tend to worry about these things.  N75 is more commonly known as the boost valve.

I really could do with a decent VW place (aftermarket) near me - if I had the spare cash I would setup on I tell you!
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 07:00:37 pm
^^^^
Do you mean the Diverter Valve? - If so, I have a Forge instead of oem Rev.G.
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: neg on January 26, 2009, 07:20:50 pm
Nope, its different - controls the boost level.  On the TFSI its actually located next to the turbo, on the 1.8T it was on the TIP so easy to check and change yourself - bad design for a newer engine on VW's part. 

Anyway not too worry :happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on January 26, 2009, 07:25:57 pm
^^^^
I learn something new every day!

:happy2:
Title: Re: JKM Rolling Road Day Feeler
Post by: RedRobin on February 06, 2009, 10:07:39 am
@ RR - My car has 11.5cm splitter to floor clearance and ran fine, if that helps?

....I've finally got round to measuring mine and it's 10.2 cm clearance :surprised: :scared: - I'll have to have a word with JKM, I'm sure they'll have had lower cars than mine in the past.