MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: neg on June 13, 2010, 08:56:41 pm
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OK, so say VW do release a 'Edition 35' model and lets say the chances are they will put the K04 unit on it, with say 235hp - its got to be less that the R but more than the standard GTI and after the 1hp for every year for the Edition 30 lets say they continue with this trate.
So pricing - cheaper than the R but more than the GTI so lets say £26-27k basic.
What would peoples thouths be on this ?
no real reason for this, just a thought I had the other day as people slate the price of the R but then looking at some of the GTI price its not like these are cheap - anyway, thats waht 'random chat' is there for eh
Oh, one last thing - when would a Ed35 be due out if they do release one?
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Late 2011 to 2012 I'd have thought? So proper end of line before the MKVII.
They hinted at an R26.R style track weapon at Worthersea. Really hard to make a call on this one, as the R has never been so GTI-ish as it is now.
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There is another version of the TFSI lump listed on ETKA (as well as some GTI "Edition" parts, for example the R LED tails are now listed for Golf R and GTI "Edition").
So I think it's on it's way very soon :happy2:
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i reckon if there is one it won be the gti, it will be on the R models. and id bet it' be 300Hp to compete with the focus RS figures. cant imagine it being a stripped out R26R style one though, as it goes against the golf ethos really.
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The two versions of the engine are 199KW (265BHP) which we know is the Golf R and the new version is 188KW (250BHP).
Its follows the pattern of the Mk5 GTI to Edition 30 progression and keeping the GTI just under the power output of the R.
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it should be a Golf R killer in my opinion, take the Golf R chassis and add the 2.5t lump from the Audi TTRs :party:
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^^^ Agreed I would love it to be. But I really can't see it :sad1:
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Lets face it if it does come around then it will be a 2.0T lump, if they wanted a RS type beater then the 2.5T lump would be great but isnt it only in the TT-RS for now, so not widely used just yet.
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I reckon it will be a run out model of the mk6,it will have 235bhp ko4 engine, different front/back bumper, revised seats and R rear lights with tinted fronts, now where have I seen something like that before LOL
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I cant see it being a 235hp model. Seen as the R is a 2.0 litre lump I would like to see the Edition 35 to be a slightly more hardcore version of that.
But as someone said its usually the GTI that is the special edit.
2.5 RS lump would be mental but unlikely :sad1:
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I have been hedging my bets that they do release one, revert back to one sided twin pipe zorst for a start and some cool BBS wheels :drool:
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I would have thought they would stick with the GTI badge on this one, not the R
As 182 mentioned it will no doubt have some R bits and some different wheels.
Now the question would you choose that over the R ..??
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I would imagine the ED35 should be available mid 2011 will be a GTi with some extra HP, different bumpers, a interior with some funky coloured stitching and some BBS wheels :wink:
Thats what i think but what i do know is ive got my deposit sitting in the bank waiting for the word go :smiley: main reason is ive always wanted a anniversary golf i missed the ED25 and 30 so im going to get the ED35 it could be a overpriced turd but hey ive set my mind on one :drinking:
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First time I saw an Edition 30 it was in red next to a Steel Grey GTI which I preferred and had my heart set on one which was a bit of a dream at the time in 2007 and low and behold I saw a Black ED30 and just had to have it in 2008.
No doubt it will be good whatever they do with it. Wont have just a 5bhp power hike though, that would just be stupid all imo of course.
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It'll absolutely be a GTI, 4 pot and 2WD. VW has always maintained that the R is a separate brand and we are celebrating the 35th anniversary of the GTi after all.
I'm with those saying it'll sit somewhere in between the GTI and R in terms of power and price, I also expect them to play reasonably safe and add some nice cosmetic bits. Much as I'd love to see them do something bonkers.
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Also be interesting to see the styling they give the ED35 as the GTi already has everything colour coded, red stitched etc....
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as long as its not yellow stitching :P
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I'm going to be the negative one here and say that I can't see it having a K04 this time :sad1: With the K04 being in both the Golf R and Rocco R and I can't see VW marketing 3 cars that are so similar with the same engine. I just don't see space for it.
My guess would be a slightly tweeked GTI, with a slight power increase on the K03 (say 230bhp) and a few cosmetic changes. Otherwise if it does come fitted with a K04 heart, then a quick map would have you a R killer and VW are obviously fully aware of the remapping capability of their FI engines..
Hope i'm wrong as the ED35 could be a perfect replacement to me if it's right.. :jumping:
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VW always over engineer these things, I dont see it having the K03. I think factory releasing the K03 with 230bhp is too close to the limites.
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i think it will possibly have the K04 and a sh*te map to keep it away from the R's on paper.
All the better for people wanting to own one. Straight to revo and Bye bye Standard R!
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i think it will possibly have the K04 and a sh*te map to keep it away from the R's on paper.
All the better for people wanting to own one. Straight to revo and Bye bye Standard R!
And mapped R (in anything other than a traffic light GP).. Will be a fair amount lighter don't forget..
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yep.
i had to read that a few times. but yeh, i know what your saying ben!
(10 days! holy sh*tt! i bet you cant wait)
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only bummer is no more remapping unless you remove your ecu. Which means no warranty. :fighting:
So three more years before we see everyone remapping again :sad1:
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Is that actually correct though - its only a matter of time before this is cracked as before - even removing the ECU is surely no major issue, not like they have to put on new chips like in the old days.
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ive heard superchips and Revo have this on their websites, though i have checked for sure.
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that will probably stand for about 3 weeks steve till some of the BIG boys get a proper hold of the ECUs
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As above, it'll only be a matter of time till the big tuners crack it. Nothing is uncrackable... :wink:
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They said the GT-R had an uncrackable ECU and they are now doing 1000bhp conversions. The GTI will be a doddle for the experts to crack. It took 6 months before remaps were tested and available to Joe public for the Edition 30, so I'd reckon the same for an Edition 35.
Personally I'd reckon on a strengthened E888 (MKVI) engine and a different turbo....maybe not the K04, but something along the lines of what APR use for their stage 3, but an OEM version that puts out 250ish horsies as stock, maybe the ACC as standard and hopefully some uprated brakes over the stock MKVI GTI. :smiley:
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So... wish list really is similar to the Ed30 over the GTI
Brakes
Turbo
Wheels
LED lights
some fancy interior changes
maybe R side skirts
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So... wish list really is similar to the Ed30 over the GTI
Brakes
Turbo
Wheels
LED lights
some fancy interior changes
maybe R side skirts
Yep, that would tempt me alright :happy2:
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Personally I'd reckon on a strengthened E888 (MKVI) engine and a different turbo....maybe not the K04, but something along the lines of what APR use for their stage 3, but an OEM version that puts out 250ish horsies as stock, maybe the ACC as standard and hopefully some uprated brakes over the stock MKVI GTI. :smiley:
I'd be amazed if they introduce a new turbo for a limited addition model John. They'll more than likely raid the VAG parts bin IMO. But if the ED30 is anything to go by, I doubt it'll be very limited.. :signLOL:
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Personally I'd reckon on a strengthened E888 (MKVI) engine and a different turbo....maybe not the K04, but something along the lines of what APR use for their stage 3, but an OEM version that puts out 250ish horsies as stock, maybe the ACC as standard and hopefully some uprated brakes over the stock MKVI GTI. :smiley:
I'd be amazed if they introduce a new turbo for a limited addition model John. They'll more than likely raid the VAG parts bin IMO. But if the ED30 is anything to go by, I doubt it'll be very limited.. :signLOL:
Widely available from Garrett already, so would be cheaper than a K04 :jumping:
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So... wish list really is similar to the Ed30 over the GTI
Brakes
Turbo
Wheels
LED lights
some fancy interior changes
maybe R side skirts
Yep, that would tempt me alright :happy2:
TBH I think that would temp me more than an R, saves having to explain what the R is :laugh: everyone knows what a GTI is :happy2:
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By the time this comes out though there will be a new S3 (maybe) also the current R will be a lot cheaper, easily tuned and 4wd so not sure if the ED35 would be that tempting, could it be better than the Ed30 even or the Rocco R is you really want FWD, as that will also be cheaper.
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If were looking at next year and your tempted with the Ed35 then I doubt you would even look at a 4-5yr old Ed30 as an alternative.
new S3 will be nice but this no doubt will be R or more money I expect.
The point that pulls me back towards the Golf currently is its the latest model.
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Yes but the mk6 is going to be a short run model, the mk7 will seriously knock prices! Also i wonder if the ed35 will be mk7 guise or mk6?
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does anyone actually have release (real) date of the mk7 ....
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does anyone actually have release (real) date of the mk7 ....
....At this stage people can, and will, only speculate. But historically I think I'm right in suggesting a peep at the Paris show in September.
But surely that would be September 2011 with availability Spring 2012. I think there's new legislation for manufacturers to incorporate for 2012 as well, so it would make sense to include on the new versions.
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so the answer is no... lets not get carried away or you'll always be waiting for the next model.
Why wait for the mk7, the mk8 will be round the corner :P
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so the answer is no... lets not get carried away or you'll always be waiting for the next model.
Why wait for the mk7, the mk8 will be round the corner :P
....So true! There's always a new version of any and every thing just over the horizon, cars, computers, you name it. The trick is to be interested but happy with what you've got rather than what you haven't got.
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There is another version of the TFSI lump listed on ETKA (as well as some GTI "Edition" parts, for example the R LED tails are now listed for Golf R and GTI "Edition").
So I think it's on it's way very soon :happy2:
....Could this be the Golf GTI Excessive which was shown at Worthensee last month?
The Excessive is also featured in the latest July issue of VolkswagenDriver magazine.
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Whatever VW do its gonna be a mega car, no one can say the edition 30 is crap :signLOL:
If it had half the bits mentioned in some of these posts i'd sign on the line straight away.
Until recentley i was considering selling my edition 30 but after a good few drives over the last week....im keeping it a bit longer...until i hear more "officially" about the 35th anniversary anyway!
Dont foget the RS3 :popcornsoda:
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The RS3 will be a totally different market IMO to the ED35 (if it happens). If the RS3 is below £45k (with just a couple of options)i'd be very very suprised.
With regards to waiting for new models to come out (Mk7), it's never been something that has bothered me to much as I never tend to go for the first/new model of the GTI etc as manufactures always seem to bring out a better uprated models further down the line of that Mk (ie Ed30/Pirelli). Renault are the masters of this..
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As Ben says. Also, with a new Mk version it's wise to leave it a year for the manufacturer to iron out any teething problems. The Mk6 is different cos it's really a Mk5.5 :P
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Everyone on the S3 forum is thinking its the new S3 and not the RS3