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General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Ifti on June 25, 2010, 02:38:25 pm
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Anyone having the iphone 4 antenna/reception issues when holding the phone and bridging the gap between antennas on the lower left corner of the handset?
Also what's wifi performance like? I hear wifi is worse then 3Gs?
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Some interesting stories surfacing already about issues with reception when holding the phone. Cost of being an early adopter, I'll certainly be waiting a while..
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You can noticably see the bars move down from full to a couple...I havent manged to cut anyone off though.
I have heard that this can be similarly noticed in other phones ...but tbh I am not sure.
Simple answer, hold it differently or stick a rubber band round it...or to line Steve Jobs pockets some more...just buy a bumper.
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mine stupid fast on wifi and on 3g and mines been perfect
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Wifi is perfect on mine, i do notice the bar dropping when in the house and holding in certain ways, but outside the house its full bars, i dare say that when it drops it still only drops to what the 3gs was when i used it in same area
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Interesting coverage on reported issues here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm)
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Interesting coverage on reported issues here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm)
LOL, very poor from Apple
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I haven't had any issues with mine at all :happy2:
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No issues with mine, tbh 3g reception is awesome, phone is noticable faster than my old 3g.
No probs with wifi either been very very good!!!
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Nice story from BBC News. It seems that you have to 'hold the iphone a certain way'. :stupid:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm
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Hmmm.....Im tempted to hold off for a while longer and stick with my 3Gs for now.....well until I see the white version!
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Nice story from BBC News. It seems that you have to 'hold the iphone a certain way'. :stupid:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm
im seeing double :laugh:
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Apparently it may now be an iOS4 issue as someone has posted a video on YouTube of a 3GS doing the same thing :confused:
Click Me (http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=10282)
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D'oh, guilty.
After the latest software update (4.0) I see no reason to part with the 3GS
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Yeah but at least the 3G has the antenna in a better location!
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Well I definitely wasn't prepared to stand in the saddo queue yesterday and Vodafone screwed up my online order so now I have to wait for the second batch. That means a two week wait by the looks of it - Brilliant.
Oh well, maybe the antenna issue will be fixed on these units? Even so, I was going to fit it with a bumper anyway and surely that must fix the problem?
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Apparently so
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Yes fitting any kind of case cures it apparently. This could be the reason i am not experiencing anything as i fitted mine with a Zagg Max Protection Invisishield pretty much as soon as i had got it.
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Yes fitting any kind of case cures it apparently. This could be the reason i am not experiencing anything as i fitted mine with a Zagg Max Protection Invisishield pretty much as soon as i had got it.
where did you get that ?, im struggling to find one
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Surely some black tape will solve the problem. :laugh:
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I'm not having any problems with mine and I do tend to cup the phone around the bottom when holding it. If anything the reception has improved. Can't stand having a case on phones - you don't buy the best Italian leather sofa then wrap it in cellophane.
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You don't? :ashamed:
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where did you get that ?, im struggling to find one
Carphone Whore house :smiley:
Or from here
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/apple-iphone-4-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
Or here for the 3G/3GS
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/apple-iphone-4-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
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i'll be the first on here to say mine is a bit iffy... only seems to effect 3g signal when sat in my office in central london - 5bars when sat on the desk i'll pick it up by the sides and it drops to 1bar then 3g drops off and it switches to E.. not quite what I expected from a £600 phone
athough when outside it seems pretty stable, anyhow im still very impressed with it just can't believe how fast it is especially the internet, browsing the web is quicker than my laptop
im now just patiently waiting for OSIR to come out with a new sexy carbon case to wrap it in and then im sure the reception will be fixed
great phone :happy2:
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I too am waiting for the OSIR Carbon Case for it.
I would recommend an Invisishield though. Just for the extra protection
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these chaps have come out with this prototype : http://droconcepts.com/ (http://droconcepts.com/)
would have to see some real pics of it first but design looks alright
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i'll be the first on here to say mine is a bit iffy... only seems to effect 3g signal when sat in my office in central london - 5bars when sat on the desk i'll pick it up by the sides and it drops to 1bar then 3g drops off and it switches to E.. not quite what I expected from a £600 phone
athough when outside it seems pretty stable, anyhow im still very impressed with it just can't believe how fast it is especially the internet, browsing the web is quicker than my laptop
im now just patiently waiting for OSIR to come out with a new sexy carbon case to wrap it in and then im sure the reception will be fixed
great phone :happy2:
out of interest did you have an 3gs ?, im sat here with both and the 4 has more coverage till i touch it, when i do it drops down to the same as the 3gs, so not to bad for me :happy2:
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Mine is fine, only problem i have is sometimes making replies on this site, the text goes funny and i cant see what im typing. Also i keep getting 2 of every email, anyone else finding the same?
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No my email seems to be working fine. Not had any issues with safari either :happy2:
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Mine is fine, only problem i have is sometimes making replies on this site, the text goes funny and i cant see what im typing. Also i keep getting 2 of every email, anyone else finding the same?
I have the issue with typing on the iphone 3gs. When in PMs the cursor disappears and a line of text disappears until I hit return and the line moves up and becomes visible.
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Just been to my parents where I haven't had a Signal once in the last 3 years they've lived there, I'm amazed because I now get a signal on my iPhone 4 :driver:
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Everyone is blowing it out of proportion in my opinion. My phone now has pretty much 5 bars of signal on 3G anywhere, if i cup the bottom of the phone, the signal might drop to what i would have normally had in that particular location.
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I tested this in a O2 store last Friday.
Over a period of around 4-5 mins i watched the overall signal strength displayed by both handsets (both had iOS 4 installed an were not touched or moved from their location).
iPhone 4 = 2 bars
iPhone 3GS = 3 bars
Then I made two test phone calls between the two devices. First call dropped when I cupped the bottom left hand corner of the iPhone 4 (took around 5-6 seconds to drop the call). The second call did not drop and held on fine.
Sadly I couldn't conduct anymore testing as the O2 sales guy was getting a little impatient.
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I did a little experiment with a Vodafone sim in a 3GS in store compared to my 3GS with an O2 sim. Both had similar reception but data downloading on Vodafone just blew O2 away, it's easily 2-3 times faster.
That said, Vodafone then screwed up my iPhone 4 order - I'm still waiting for mine! Grr...
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Just seen this on another forum -
Free Apple Bumpers In The UK!
According to a BBC 5Live interview today iPhone 4 users who go to the Apple store to complain about the 'left hand lost signal phenomenon' are being given a free Apple Bumper to alleviate the problem.
When first seeing the bumper exactly why it had been designed to only protect the edge.
It's the first time Apple have offered a 'case' for sale with a device.
This suggests that Apple was pre-empting a known problem.
These Bumpers Retail For £25 So Not Bad For Free!
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC...co=MTY3ODQ5OTY
http://store.apple.com/uk?cid=OAS-EMEA-AFF
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Just seen this on another forum -
Free Apple Bumpers In The UK!
According to a BBC 5Live interview today iPhone 4 users who go to the Apple store to complain about the 'left hand lost signal phenomenon' are being given a free Apple Bumper to alleviate the problem.
When first seeing the bumper exactly why it had been designed to only protect the edge.
It's the first time Apple have offered a 'case' for sale with a device.
This suggests that Apple was pre-empting a known problem.
These Bumpers Retail For £25 So Not Bad For Free!
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC...co=MTY3ODQ5OTY
http://store.apple.com/uk?cid=OAS-EMEA-AFF
A ball ache if your nearest store is miles away though
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I just bought one of these on Friday!! Doh! Is this true ? Are they giving them away if you complain? Bugger.
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I did a little experiment with a Vodafone sim in a 3GS in store compared to my 3GS with an O2 sim. Both had similar reception but data downloading on Vodafone just blew O2 away, it's easily 2-3 times faster.
That said, Vodafone then screwed up my iPhone 4 order - I'm still waiting for mine! Grr...
That is completely irrelevant. That is just one particular location. 3G/HSDPA signal varies significantly. Each provider has good and bad areas.
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Apple shop in Trafford park know nothing about a free case but they have none in stock anyway
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I did a little experiment with a Vodafone sim in a 3GS in store compared to my 3GS with an O2 sim. Both had similar reception but data downloading on Vodafone just blew O2 away, it's easily 2-3 times faster.
That said, Vodafone then screwed up my iPhone 4 order - I'm still waiting for mine! Grr...
That is completely irrelevant. That is just one particular location. 3G/HSDPA signal varies significantly. Each provider has good and bad areas.
It really can't be any worse than it has been on O2, especially over the past few months. Any 3G use in crowded areas has been almost pointless due to it being so slow. Other iPhone users I know who have already moved to Vodafone have all commented on very significant 3G performance gains.
Still, don't want to sing their praises too much, they have utterly screwed up my order (7:00am on launch day) so now I am still waiting for my new phone with no idea when it's going to turn up... Still, it'll be worth it when it arrives, at least that's what I keep telling myself anyway.
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Surely some black tape will solve the problem. :laugh:
Heh... I have to admit I did try this, two layers of black electrical tape... made no difference! :confused:
Bumper on, and can't reproduce.
Without anything, then as with a lot of others it drops the bars on the display, but doesn't lose the signal itself, and invariably, when it is reproducable, the signal is already a bit iffy anyway.
I've had a few qwerty keyboard Nokias, including the E90 which if you held in the keyboard state would drop from full to one bar just like this because you had your hand over the antenna. It's just unfortunate that Apple chose to literally expose the antenna in the way they have - seems a bit of a school-boy error really! :confused:
Still, overall I find the iPhone 4 is giving me signal in places I couldn't get signal before. It's also a lot quicker to recover a signal if it loses the network than the 3GS was.
I just bought one of these on Friday!! Doh! Is this true ? Are they giving them away if you complain? Bugger.
I bought one too thinking there was no way Apple would give in and do something like that. I bought one of the last in the Bristol store, so I wouldn't see them able to give them out anyway! :smiley:
I'll believe this when I see it anyway, there's a lot of rumours flying about with no real substance at the moment. I'm sure if someone has had a freebie then it was probably only a manager discretion type thing!
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Can I just say, further to my last post I have cancelled my order with Vodafone.
They have totally screwed up the iPhone 4 launch and their Customer Services are a total joke, they have been utterly infuriating and downright rude to deal with. If you are thinking of switching due to their bigger datacap or better 3G coverage let me tell you, it's not worth the hassle.
I have gone with Orange in the end, they are about to merge their network with the existing T-Mobile network so they should end up with the best 3G coverage in the UK shortly, they also have great customer service (so far) and let's not forget those half price cinema tickets...
Never used them before so should be interesting!
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There's a class-action lawsuit against Apple in the US now regarding the faulty antenna design. Tried it with my dad's iphone 4 and it went from four bars to no signal after about a minute (with reasonably dry hands). You get a conduction path between the wifi and 3G antennae which causes attenuation in the much weaker 3G signal. Some sticky tape will resolve it :laugh:
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Apparently this could have something to do with the sim card, since its connectors touch the metal sim tray, which in turn touches the antenna around the phone. Your fingers cause the antennas to connect, and create a connection to the sim, or something.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/30/one-possible-iphone-4-antenna-fix-with-mixed-results/
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/apple-iphone-4-reception-problems-a-software-issue-fix-coming/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/apple-iphone-4-reception-problems-a-software-issue-fix-coming/)
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i am more than happy with my reception, i get signal in many places i didnt with the 3gs :smiley:
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Yeah, can't say I've had a problem at all.
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Letter from Apple Regarding iPhone 4
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html
Dear iPhone 4 Users,
The iPhone 4 has been the most successful product launch in Apple’s history. It has been judged by reviewers around the world to be the best smartphone ever, and users have told us that they love it. So we were surprised when we read reports of reception problems, and we immediately began investigating them. Here is what we have learned.
To start with, gripping almost any mobile phone in certain ways will reduce its reception by 1 or more bars. This is true of iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, as well as many Droid, Nokia and RIM phones. But some users have reported that iPhone 4 can drop 4 or 5 bars when tightly held in a way which covers the black strip in the lower left corner of the metal band. This is a far bigger drop than normal, and as a result some have accused the iPhone 4 of having a faulty antenna design.
At the same time, we continue to read articles and receive hundreds of emails from users saying that iPhone 4 reception is better than the iPhone 3GS. They are delighted. This matches our own experience and testing. What can explain all of this?
We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.
Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don’t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place.
To fix this, we are adopting AT&T’s recently recommended formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone’s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area. We are also making bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.
We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G.
We have gone back to our labs and retested everything, and the results are the same— the iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. For the vast majority of users who have not been troubled by this issue, this software update will only make your bars more accurate. For those who have had concerns, we apologize for any anxiety we may have caused.
As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.
We hope you love the iPhone 4 as much as we do.
Thank you for your patience and support.
Apple
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Recalibrating the display to show different levels of bars doesn't take away from the fact that a researcher at University of Wales and some technical guys from Anandtech recorded almost a -19dB attenutation in signal when bridging that area with your hand... but it may make the problem seem less apparent (goes from three bars to one, say). Gizmodo had a well written thing about it but I'm too busy to pull up the link.
Pity, because that external antenna still looks the sex.
/really I should've spotted this as well because I did an entire module on antenna design during my undergrad... but that was almost four years ago now.
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In shock news today. A phone company releases a product that's not perfect.....for those of us old enough to remember when mobile phones were "portable" and had coilly leads hooking the handsets to the briefcase battery, this is laughable and it's getting blown out of all reasonable proportion.
Seriously, if this is a problem for you sell it NOW. You'll probably make money if you do at this time. If you don't want to sell go buy a case or bumper it solves the issue dead in it's tracks. I'm sending this post from one now, with a bumper there is NO issue.
I'm noticing a huge wave of anti apple sentiment around which is fine but for me their products just work, sure they are not perfect, however nothing, not even Megan Fox is. :notworthy:
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Why i always wait for apple to update their releases after 6 months!
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Why i always wait for apple to update their releases after 6 months!
They won't make any hardware changes. Not at least until the iPhone 5 is announced next June. They have never made any changes to the 2g, 3G or 3GS in the 12 months they ran before replacement.
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Yes but never of those had a large flaw such as the iphone4 does.
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Yes but never of those had a large flaw such as the iphone4 does.
its not a problem though imo, it has better reception than the 3gs ever had for me wherever i am, even with my hands all over it, i get reception now whre i have never had it before :happy2:
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Yes but never of those had a large flaw such as the iphone4 does.
its not a problem though imo, it has better reception than the 3gs ever had for me wherever i am, even with my hands all over it, i get reception now whre i have never had it before :happy2:
Bloke at work says the opposite, were both on o2 and he cant get anywhere near my reception where ever we go.
Im happy to wait anyway, i wasnt impressed with it, not for the amount it would cost me, other than the screen theres nothing i would use (never use the camera and jailbreak gives me all the functions the phone has)
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very odd, there 5 other people at work with the 4 and they all get better reception !
Yes but never of those had a large flaw such as the iphone4 does.
its not a problem though imo, it has better reception than the 3gs ever had for me wherever i am, even with my hands all over it, i get reception now whre i have never had it before :happy2:
Bloke at work says the opposite, were both on o2 and he cant get anywhere near my reception where ever we go.
Im happy to wait anyway, i wasnt impressed with it, not for the amount it would cost me, other than the screen theres nothing i would use (never use the camera and jailbreak gives me all the functions the phone has)
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Hope so mate as the 3GS is shocking, have they sorted the problem out where if you change from 3g to Edge or go through a tunnel or something it takes an age to find reception again, ive waited 15 minutes once!
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Hope so mate as the 3GS is shocking, have they sorted the problem out where if you change from 3g to Edge or go through a tunnel or something it takes an age to find reception again, ive waited 15 minutes once!
not noticed an issue with this at all, then again didn't really notice it with the 3gs