MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: PDT on August 11, 2010, 11:33:34 am
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I am in the fortunate position of fitting, setting up and testing various types of suspension from the £199 'Ebay coloivers' right through to £3.5K pilbeam and rosejointed race spec kits. I have sold Bilstein products for years for all makes and models and never had any problems with them, the quality and support they offer is second to none.
When I got my first Mk5 I deceided to get the Bilstein PSS9 coilover kit but I then changed the car for an ED30 and never got round to fitting it and it was eventually sold through the shop, then a local member on here had an Eibach Pro-street coilover kit going cheap so I snapped it up and fitted it. It is a fantastic kit but a little soft for my liking and with the plan of a few trackdays planned I wasnt overly confident in the kits abilities under heavy braking, it seemed to lurch a little and not control the weight over the front end all that well. However for every day road use it was brilliant, stupidly comfy and a big improvement over standard handling and looks as it would go lower than you would ever need it to.
This week I ordered a Bilstein B12 kit and fitted it, as always the fit was perfect, the struts use an inverted damper design (much like a motorbike damper) which gives the apperance of a much bigger damper rod as pictuerd below:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.focusrsparts.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fuploads%2Fsprings%2FB12.jpg&hash=f211b4995f1d6971570d11139ddb444fde13adfe)
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The ride height is pretty much perfect lowering 33mm front and 35mm rear and ride quality is excellent, not as soft as the Eibachs but not as hard as the KW/weitec kits I have tested. Damping and rebound rates seem perfectly matched to the springs (which are specially made for this kit by H&R) with no bounce occuring after hitting a dip or bump in the road, the kit feels extremely well balanced in all conditions.
Cornering is nice and flat with just enough give in the springs so that it isnt to 'skittish' in the wet and no feeling of diving or understeer when the weight is shifted over the front wheels in a corner. Overall I couldnt be happier with the kit.
In summary, if you want a coilover kit for looks and comfort with a fair improvement in handling the Eibach pro-street kit is excellent, if you want something a little more functional and not worried about getting involved in the hype that surround coilver kits, and want something that you can fit, enjoy and forget about then the Bilstein B12 is a perfect product.
RRP of the Eibach kit is around £ 795.00 (I will have my old Eibach kit up for sale soon, PM me for info)
RRP of the Bilstein kit is £ 645.00
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Nice sales pitch. could have been a good review but we will never know. :smiley:
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Got to say ive had the Bilstein kit on a previous car and loved it, very comfortable and the damping is superb id say the pefect set up for road and a little track use !
the only reason i didnt go for it is that ive heard off rubbing on some cars that are this low not sure if they have spacers or bad set up, but i didnt want to risk it otherwise i would of had them over the KWs, as said fit and forget !
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Nice sales pitch. could have been a good review but we will never know. :smiley:
You could look at it that way, we also sell Spax suspension which has 4x more profit in it that Bilstein but it wouldnt go anywhere near my own car, make of that what you like! The Bistein B12 kit is often overlooked in favour of cheap coilover kits that fall into the same price bracket, yes they have the function of adjusting the ride height but often leave a lot to be desired in actual on the road performance in comfort and handling.
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just read this after pdt directed me to consider b12 kit on my ed30, will defo look at it depending on budget :laugh:
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Great review , they look like a good all round package to me .
Definately interested in the B12 kit when funds are available.
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I am in the fortunate position of fitting, setting up and testing various types of suspension from the £199 'Ebay coloivers' right through to £3.5K pilbeam and rosejointed race spec kits. I have sold Bilstein products for years for all makes and models and never had any problems with them, the quality and support they offer is second to none.
When I got my first Mk5 I deceided to get the Bilstein PSS9 coilover kit but I then changed the car for an ED30 and never got round to fitting it and it was eventually sold through the shop, then a local member on here had an Eibach Pro-street coilover kit going cheap so I snapped it up and fitted it. It is a fantastic kit but a little soft for my liking and with the plan of a few trackdays planned I wasnt overly confident in the kits abilities under heavy braking, it seemed to lurch a little and not control the weight over the front end all that well. However for every day road use it was brilliant, stupidly comfy and a big improvement over standard handling and looks as it would go lower than you would ever need it to.
This week I ordered a Bilstein B12 kit and fitted it, as always the fit was perfect, the struts use an inverted damper design (much like a motorbike damper) which gives the apperance of a much bigger damper rod as pictuerd below:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.focusrsparts.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fuploads%2Fsprings%2FB12.jpg&hash=f211b4995f1d6971570d11139ddb444fde13adfe)
Is £645 your price or are you offering any deals?
J
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Pm me for best prices
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have heard these can be a little harsh?
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A few members on here have been out in my car and most comment on how comfortable they are, most say they are more comfortable than standard!
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still after this from you dave but at moment the b12 is competing with the pipewerx downpipe/catback and tbe for who goes on first.. not sure who is going to win yet..
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still after this from you dave but at moment the b12 is competing with the pipewerx downpipe/catback and tbe for who goes on first.. not sure who is going to win yet..
You do know that in some countries it is illegal to drive a GTI with standard height suspension don't you?!
(though saying that I have a pipeworx exhaust set up and it does sound the boIIox)!
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still after this from you dave but at moment the b12 is competing with the pipewerx downpipe/catback and tbe for who goes on first.. not sure who is going to win yet..
You do know that in some countries it is illegal to drive a GTI with standard height suspension don't you?!
(though saying that I have a pipeworx exhaust set up and it does sound the boIIox)!
ha ha yeah am leaning towards the b12 and hpfp internals first but on other hand could get pipewerx system then take up to pdt for RR session too. basically i need to save and do it all within short space of time
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Just to add my point to what's been said here. I have been out in PDT's Ed30 fitted with this B12 kit, albeit just a short trip. But it did give me a direct comparison with my 26,000 mile standard suspended Ed30. And to me the PDT car felt similar in firmness to the standard car but actually somehow 'plusher' by way of road manners and comfort. Not sure if plusher is the suitable phrase but it was certainly not harsh. Had always been considering the Koni FSD option, for when I do have some funds to sort the suspension out, but now when I do have some excess funds - it's gonna be the B12 Billies I'd say.
That said if there's group buy (at a great price) sometime - I expect the credit card will be brought out of hiding..
Damn that slippery slope of modding...
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I remember popping into the Bilstein office at the ring with Beddie and a few others, inside was the craziest guy I have ever met. He knew numbers, dates, ratios, concepts and development stories to boggle anyone.
After quite a lot of engineering banter I left feeling happy that if I were to run coilovers i'd shy away from KW and opt for Bilsteins.
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Pm me for best prices
Dave - any news on this coming off the ED30? Ta
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Sounds like interest levels in the B12 Bilstein Kit are slowly growing.
I fear it's gonna get expensive for me (again)..if we end up (potentially) doing a Group Buy.
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if we can do a group buy it will be perfect. :smiley:
good review :happy2:
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Great suspension.
If I would buy a non-coilover-suspension I'd surely go for the B12.
:happy2:
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Dave, the original springs were blue but were they Eibach repainted?
On the Bilstein website they are now red Eibach springs.
Can the damper be bought seperately and is it a B12 damper or a B6 B8 etc?
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B12 dampers = B8 dampers
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B12 dampers = B8 dampers
So if you were to buy a set of bilstein springs, then later upgrade and add the B8 dampers you essentially have the B12 kit?
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On the bilstein website the springs are now eibach.
Were they eibach before just repainted?
That's what I actually heard before but wondered if Dave could confirm.
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On the bilstein website the springs are now eibach.
Were they eibach before just repainted?
That's what I actually heard before but wondered if Dave could confirm.
they did two options - you could have eibach or H & R. I heard they stopped supplying the kits with H & R springs and the kits were discontinued out of the factory. They may have started doing them again purely with Eibach.
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B12 were a b8 damper that was valved differently to match the spring rate. The springs were H&R (blue) but all B12 kits are discontinued as they are switching to Eibach springs (red)
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Its still listed Dave, as a B12.
Is it as good as before?
If not would you still rate the B8 dampers?
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All B12 are still listed, but not available through the UK supplier, nhave tried to order/enquire about B12 for 3 cars today and have been told to buy B8 and seperate springs as no stock of the new B12 exists. I have not tried one of the new kits but the old B12 used Eibach before switching to H&R a few years back, I doubt they would suddenly drop their build quality and reputation due to a change in spring supplier.
I do a lot of B8 upgrades (just shocks) on BMW's and the difference they make is outstanding even with stock springs.
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Thanks Dave its appreciated.
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finally got this fitted and is an awesome bit of kit, handling is miles better over stock and the stance is perfect.
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finally got this fitted and is an awesome bit of kit, handling is miles better over stock and the stance is perfect.
You have had them for a while mate :)
Glad you are happy with them.
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:happy2: :drinking:
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finally got this fitted and is an awesome bit of kit, handling is miles better over stock and the stance is perfect.
You have had them for a while mate :)
Glad you are happy with them.
yeah but i got married the sat after you dropped them off then got stuck in the states due to hurricane irene :rolleye:
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finally got this fitted and is an awesome bit of kit, handling is miles better over stock and the stance is perfect.
You have had them for a while mate :)
Glad you are happy with them.
yeah but i got married the sat after you dropped them off then got stuck in the states due to hurricane irene :rolleye:
Poor you :grin:
Good to see they work well mate. Hope you had a good honeymoon :happy2:
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Want a set of these soooo bad!! Waiting till I get a few more ££££ them ill buy all my handling mods in one go :evilgrin:
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Want a set of these soooo bad!! Waiting till I get a few more ££££ them ill buy all my handling mods in one go :evilgrin:
From a fitting cost point of view you are better doing it all at once :happy2:
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your review sounds excellent!!! iv got my S2 booked in next month to have a full bilstein kit fitted and cant wait!! will let you know the verdict in a couple of weeks :)
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Just bought the bilstein B12 sportline kit the other day for my mk 5 gti cant wait to get it fitted and give my verdict :happy2:
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Fitted my B12 sportline kit yesterday and it has transformed the way my gti handels ! really happy with the car now ,its a really good quality kit,time to get out and just drive it before the weather turns bad lol
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Just considering b12 at the moment.
Do both b12 kits - sportline and pro kit have adjustable drop?? Sportline by up to 50mm and pro kit by up to 40mm?? Can anybody confirm it? The info on billstein is a bit confusing
Cheers
Paul
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The B12 kit is a fixed height, fixed rate kit. Lowers approx 30-35mm all round.
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Do you have any details on spring & damping rates over stock 135i M-Sport suspension?
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Not to hand, but can probably find any info you need....
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Yeah, if you don't mind please. I'd probably want the H&R springs though, as Eibachs are generally a bit softer.
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Eibachs for the Mk.V platform are linear and so can easily measured
(when not fitted).
Most H&R for the Mk.V are progressive and so have a complex behaviour.
Spring rate depends on wheel travel. Furthermore this makes the
dampers to have a hard job.
On track linear spring are the way to go for.
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It's for a 135i, but still thanks for the info. :happy2:
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PDT;
is this kit available for the mk6 gti? how much are we talking? thanks