MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: danishmkvgti on November 20, 2010, 12:20:21 am
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bring it on :popcornsoda:
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I voted ITG :happy2:
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Carbonio for now.... :fighting2:
Something better before it's mapped!
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EVOMS for me although if I were choosing again it would be a toss up between EVOMS, ITG and TwinTake :happy2:
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After reading about the different intakes i chose to change from The Carbono to the Forge Twintake, based on the looks, i really don't fancy the ITG filter on a stick solution, and the choice endend up being ITG or twintake based on IMO efficiency and looks. A friend logged his ED30 with the Twintake and saw a 0,2 bar rise in boost pressure from 6000rpm and up. So i had to have a go at it :smiley:
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I had to vote 'other' as you missed off the BDM intake :signLOL:
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I had to vote 'other' as you missed off the BDM intake :signLOL:
Corrected :wink: :star:
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bit of a retrospective vote for ITG for me. no longer have the car now though
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I'm suprised over the amount of ITG's as it's not a cheap solution, but it shows that many see it as the most effective intake :smiley:
(I know Forge isn't cheap also :wink: )
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Nuspeed P-Flo for me :smiley:
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I'm suprised over the amount of ITG's as it's not a cheap solution, but it shows that many see it as the most effective intake :smiley:
(I know Forge isn't cheap also :wink: )
....I'm not so surprised. SteveP was very enthusiastic about it and did some convincing dyno runs with it. ITG also have a good reputation being intake specialists. Furthermore, there may have been a group buy deal IIRC.
As I wrote in my Twintake review, people choose their intake for a variety of reasons and bhp numbers do influence many. The choice tends to be based on the following considerations (not in order of importance):-
- Performance
- Standard of manufacture
- Ease of maintenance
- Sound
- Appearance aka 'Eye-Candy'
- Price
Review: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9988.0.html
I would expect the ITG to deliver slightly more bhp than the Twintake if dyno'd back-to-back on the same car, but personally I really don't like the ITG's Heath Robinson appearance. ETTO!
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Dbilas inlet and a pipercross universal filter instead of the airbox. I found this sounded and performed better than the twintake ( both looking at road logs and dyno testing)
Twintake would be my second option.
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Bsh intake for me wrapped in heat proof tape does what it says on the tin for £120 :innocent:
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I also like the BSH, bit loud for my taste but price and performance wise, cant beat it.
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I'm happy with it seems to perform aswell as the rest :happy2:
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I'm happy with it seems to perform aswell as the rest :happy2:
....And that's where the other considerations influencing choice come into play such as sound and appearance :happy2:
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I'm toying with the idea of buying something though not sure what to get! Does the twin take fit with the standard engine cover? Carbonio looks the best by far!
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I'm toying with the idea of buying something though not sure what to get! Does the twin take fit with the standard engine cover? Carbonio looks the best by far!
If you want oem look you want the Carbonio. The rest will require you to modify the engine cover beyond repair to fit with them on the car.
I have had the Carbonio on my car for 40.000 km and can't fault it, i just had a modding itch that needed scratching so i went for the twintake.
i growls from 2k to 3,5 k rpm, and with an aggresive right foot you get wastegate judder and DV blowing, so a bit more personality with the twintake than the carbonio. IMO :wink:
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True i know what you mean, also the twin take is a bit more expensive. I think if i dont go Carbonio i may go ITG. Does the Carbonio sound/notice much different from stock? As i may get a remap at same time.
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True i know what you mean, also the twin take is a bit more expensive. I think if i dont go Carbonio i may go ITG. Does the Carbonio sound/notice much different from stock? As i may get a remap at same time.
Nothing whatsoever Rhys, if you're looking for sound/performance gains I wouldn't even think about the Carbonio twice! I made this mistake too.
All it does (and even this isn't proven) is perhaps increase MPG by about 1/1.5MPG as it allows the engine to breathe slightly better. That's the only small change I've noticed. It's just to look good under the bonnet really :indifferent:
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first mod i ever did was the carbonio. may as well have smoked the pound notes, as it made sweet FA difference.
@RDFCpete id bet those difference were a result of the panel filter. and not the carbonio scoop.
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I started off with the Carbonio before the Twintake and I agree with everything said. No regrets, but the Carbonio only improves efficiency and is cool eye-candy.
I adapted an Evoms engine cover to go with my Twintake: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11702.0.html
It's also possible to modify an oem plastic cover as NeilM so expertly did. Search the How-To section?
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Ok so the twin take and the ITG is the best? But has anyone, or can you modify the engine cover so it looks fairly standard under the bonnet?
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You mean like this?
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But has anyone, or can you modify the engine cover so it looks fairly standard under the bonnet?
....As I said in the post above yours:
It's also possible to modify an oem plastic cover as NeilM so expertly did. Search the How-To section?
Also search the Cosmetic Modifications section :smiley:
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Cool cheers! nice to see it is possible.
Dont wish to hijack thread, but going to ask 1 question whats best first air filter or Exhaust system? As i got money for remap, just dont know wether to spend £350 on filter or wait and find nice second had miltek for a couple 100 more? just cant afford to do both.
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Dont wish to hijack thread, but going to ask 1 question whats best first air filter or Exhaust system? As i got money for remap, just dont know wether to spend £350 on filter or wait and find nice second had miltek for a couple 100 more? just cant afford to do both.
....I think I'd be inclined to do the exhaust first, then remap, and air intake later - That's what I did. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think a high-flow exhaust will probably indirectly help any intake's breathing rather than vica versa, but I might be talking rubbish.
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Cool cheers! nice to see it is possible.
Dont wish to hijack thread, but going to ask 1 question whats best first air filter or Exhaust system? As i got money for remap, just dont know wether to spend £350 on filter or wait and find nice second had miltek for a couple 100 more? just cant afford to do both.
im with robin on this one. however if your after gains it needs to be the downpipe+sports cat and not the cat back exhaust section. the only thing with the exhaust is you will need an extra £50 to go straight onto the stage 2 map.
i really wouldnt bother with the cat back at all until you have finished everything else on the car. its more of a garnishing modification.
As above, the exhaust requires a different map ideally, whereas the intake can be added at any time with no map tweaking required as the ECU can adjust enough to compensate for it
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As above, the exhaust requires a different map ideally, whereas the intake can be added at any time with no map tweaking required as the ECU can adjust enough to compensate for it
....Agreed but I would add that if an aftermarket intake is adding significant power and you are running a stock fuel pump and don't want to spend on replacing it, you may want to consider a map such as Revo which allows you to turn down a B/T/F setting to compensate.
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not really. none of the maps seem to suffer with fuel cut any more, with the exception of revo when the settings are yanked up. I never had any isue on shark stage 2 or bluefin stage 2 with an ITG added after
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not really. none of the maps seem to suffer with fuel cut any more, with the exception of revo when the settings are yanked up. I never had any isue on shark stage 2 or bluefin stage 2 with an ITG added after
....It's not a guaranteed event but there is the potential for fuel cuts if too much air is delivered, and consequently it's wise to adjust the settings - Something which only Revo has the option of and another reason why I use Revo and not any of the tuners you mention.
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Hello!
A bit of custom work! :smiley:
OEM maf housing, AEM filter.
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thats looks like a potential good performer.
100% guaranteed correct internal MAF diameter with it being the oem housing,
large bore pipework with smooth bends. and a nice big filter. have you performed logs of before and after?
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Is the K&N stuff for the MK5 GTI that bad that it doesn't make it into the vote? :grin:
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k&N is for the max power crew
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thats looks like a potential good performer.
100% guaranteed correct internal MAF diameter with it being the oem housing,
large bore pipework with smooth bends. and a nice big filter. have you performed logs of before and after?
made them only after - about 245 g\s. yesterday on dyno - 328 hp on flywheel (revo st.2 - catless downpipe, forge fmic, intake)
K&N have 3" maf housing, it's not good
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Great idea using the OEM maf housing !! . . . have done the same with a BSH intake.
Here are a couple of pics to show how centrally the MAF is located against an aftermarket 70mm intake.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2FPA280315.jpg&hash=783ad6007c2dc82f4f60bc12bb3afdd7c7500545)
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Hello!
A bit of custom work! :smiley:
OEM maf housing, AEM filter.
Im up for doing that, what size of tubing did you use? Looks to be about 3in.
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Looked at these and I cannot believe the price for an intake on these cars. Fair enough the likes of Forge with the twin intake but you can make your own using the standard MAF housing as above for about £100. Look on Silicon hoses and you can get two 90 elbows for £35, reducer for £13, 1m of 3in tubing, some hose clips and a generic sized filter. If your worried about heat then wrap the back pipe section in heat resistance tape for an extra £20.
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and voila, you have a home made sh!ttake :grin:
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the one above is acceptable though
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Great idea using the OEM maf housing !! . . . have done the same with a BSH intake.Here are a couple of pics to show how centrally the MAF is located against an aftermarket 70mm intake.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2FPA280315.jpg&hash=783ad6007c2dc82f4f60bc12bb3afdd7c7500545)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2FPA280317.jpg&hash=5e76ae661162c79e6db3dac022c5e028784027a8)
any photos of the BSH INTAKE/OEM MAF HOUSING COMBO?
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Seriously though some of them really are just a couple of sections of pipe with a cone filter on the end. How can that be worth £300+?? Im not a cheapskate and do like paying for quality items but I just think that these things are overpriced.
I might attempt to make my own and will gladly eat humble pie if its not efficient. No denying most look good but there really only there to perform in my eyes, not look nice.
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i think if you maintain the oem maf housing. Connect that to the turbo with one of the ITG pipes with the inner lip.
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and get a GOOD quality large filter on. Free flowing is great providing your not letting loads of gunk through the filter and into the engine then yes it could look and perform quite well. I quite like the lok of the one posted by "useless". All it needs is a heat shield for above the manifold, and some heat reflective tape and id bet that would perform very well in dead
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I have a full 3in ATP intake system, inc a 3in MAF housing, the car doesnt seem bothered at all, quite the opposite.
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have you logged your long term fuel trims. No doubt that the car is permenanty having to adjust the fuel trims to compensate as a result.
the GIAC software is specially scaled to utilize a 3" MAF housing for that sole reason
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Would the car not be happy to adjust accordingly?
No idea how to do logging etc im afraid!
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any photos of the BSH INTAKE/OEM MAF HOUSING COMBO?
Its not on the car at the moment but here is a pic so you get the idea:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fww123%2Fjon-tfsi%2FPC040365.jpg&hash=a4d4e0338fc131a085a325da9d87f3e04e8cfdb1)
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neuspeed p-flo at the moment
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I chose ITG but I would like to give this VF 3" a shot at the moment as I run the Extreme+ map - to be honest I do not think there will be any difference, but heck it is worth at least a test ;)
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I chose ITG but I would like to give this VF 3" a shot at the moment as I run the Extreme+ map - to be honest I do not think there will be any difference, but heck it is worth at least a test ;)
....If the Extreme+ map is GIAC then it would be an interesting comparison. But otherwise I'd expect that the ITG would deliver more power gains than the VF. Do you have access to a rolling-road to plot comparison graphs?
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I chose ITG but I would like to give this VF 3" a shot at the moment as I run the Extreme+ map - to be honest I do not think there will be any difference, but heck it is worth at least a test ;)
....If the Extreme+ map is GIAC then it would be an interesting comparison. But otherwise I'd expect that the ITG would deliver more power gains than the VF. Do you have access to a rolling-road to plot comparison graphs?
Yes it is the Giac map and I am running the ITG at the moment with great results and in general very happy... but according to the Giac guy here we may be able to push a little further with the full 3" CAI... I do not trust dynos that much but I do have a vbox and if there will be any noticeable gain it will tell me... :wink:
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there is one for sale on here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25152.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25152.0.html) :happy2:
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there is one for sale on here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25152.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25152.0.html) :happy2:
Yep great find :wink:
I am trying to figure it if it is the one I am after and if it is I am all over it...
Thanks buddy :happy2:
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Dbilas for me, as it fitted on Friday. Mine was originally on a very clean grey Ed30 in Scotland.
Nicely quiet, which is what I wanted to achieve.
Didn't really want the intake chuffing and chirping like a Group B rally car myself..but I can really understand the pull of the loud intakes but wanted mine to be a bit more stealthy.
Just me being boring probably..
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Neuspeed P-Flo for me. Cant fault it and its £200 cheaper than the ITG
Has changed the car's acceleration and it pulls so much stronger now. Getting used to the noise does take a while but it gets addictive ;)
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Dbilas for me, as it fitted on Friday. Mine was originally on a very clean grey Ed30 in Scotland.
Nicely quiet, which is what I wanted to achieve.
Didn't really want the intake chuffing and chirping like a Group B rally car myself..but I can really understand the pull of the loud intakes but wanted mine to be a bit more stealthy.
Just me being boring probably..
PDT on here did some sort of Dbilias/pipercross hybrid intake which was a vast improvement over the stock dbilias and performed as well as the twintake.
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Which intake offers, quiet good performance and fits without any damage in the engine bay ?
I'm guessing not very many !
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Which intake offers, quiet good performance and fits without any damage in the engine bay ?
I'm guessing not very many !
....Carbonio plus an aftermarket flat panel in the oem engine cover box. But the performance gains are very minimal. On back-to-back same day dyno runs my Forge Twintake gained 15.5 bhp over my Carbonio. It depends what you want for your car: eye-candy or performance or both.
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When you say "damage" I assume you mean without modification - None of the intake offerings from the established manufacturers do damage.
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Which intake offers, quiet good performance and fits without any damage in the engine bay ?
I'm guessing not very many !
Unless you take off the engine cover you won't get a very good air intake.The carbonio is a cosmetic intake imo.
Forge,ATG, BS,DBilas all make intakes that a lot of people on here use.
I have the Forge twintake, and love it, not much modding needed either, just need to remove the cover and then fit the bits in the spaces available.
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Unless you take off the engine cover you won't get a very good air intake. The carbonio is a cosmetic intake imo.
....Fundamentally yes - The Carbonio merely makes the initial airflow more efficient and is cool carbon eye-candy. It's the panel filter itself which might help more but that still doesn't deliver heart-stopping performance. I ran an ITG panel filter with my Carbonio and might have gained 3 or 4 bhp and a miniscule bit of torque or throttle response - Who knows!?
The Forge Twintake ticks all the boxes for me too, Al :happy2: - Just right in every respect.
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I made my own :)
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I made my own :)
Pics?
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Will take some photos tommorow and put them up :)