MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on November 20, 2010, 06:38:49 pm
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Anyone read this months redline Mag yet??
there's a 308Hp Seat leon (k03), yes thats right, K03.
i quote "An evo needs needs 350hp to stop the leon coming past" "my friends has 360Hp and he couldnt get NEAR me on a dual carriageway" "on a straight road its a nose ahead of an RS4"
and my favourite one
"picking a leon proves you have more character than choosing a boring golf"
legend. its the home made heath robinson style intake pic that makes it the best, complete with REVO, FORGE GOODridge and VPOWER stickers :congrats:
just make sure you dont race this guy unless your in a k04 stage 2+, especially if your in that uncharacteristic boring golf that you ll use on here :grin:
something tells me those figures werent from JKMs rollers lol
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Got to love people that think a peak bhp figure means anything.
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Racing RS4's is not good for your health... :scared:
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What a fookin tool :laugh:
Racing RS4's is not good for your health... :scared:
Really :surprised: :evilgrin:
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What a fookin tool :laugh:
Racing RS4's is not good for your health... :scared:
Really :surprised: :evilgrin:
Not for me anyway.. :sad1:
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guess it was you that graced that footage of golf v RS4.
Carl this guy is using REVO stage 2+ as well, so i think you need to get onto REVO HQ and demand your missing 48Hp lol. either that or change or change it for a leon
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Isn't it this guy?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16977.msg281492.html#msg281492
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Anyone read this months redline Mag yet??
So does this mean that Redline is the 'new' Max Power? :evilgrin:
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it does if they start articles like this every month :grin:
hows your boring golf. you have no character :laugh:
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hows your boring golf. you have no character :laugh:
No character but also I don't have a low rent interior :laugh:
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Carl this guy is using REVO stage 2+ as well, so i think you need to get onto REVO HQ and demand your missing 48Hp lol. either that or change or change it for a leon
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Its 43Hp actually :P (Yes the 5hp makes alllllllllllllll the difference :evilgrin:)
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hows your boring golf. you have no character :laugh:
No character but also I don't have a low rent interior :laugh:
Depends what your comparing it to :wink:
I read this as well and did chuckle, i cant see how its faster than an RS4, never mind a tuned EVO. Even abuser wasnt hugely quicker than the RS4 at stage 2+ were you mate?
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The thing is if you have a fair amount of power and torque you can catch quite a few drivers of more powerful cars on the hoof.
Once your going if they have reacted slower unless they have some serious grunt it is going to take a while to catch you.
I've hung on to the Tails of an M3 in my vRS on the autobahn up to circa 120mph. We then had to slow down for a truck. Once cleared he left me like i hadn't even bothered to try despite the fact i had dropped to 4th.
Owning a K03s at Stage 2+ i can quite categorically state he would never ever ever keep with an RS4 if the RS4 was trying. He might get the jump on the EVO mid range as around 60-90mph in 6th gear is not a good area for them. But it would soon reign him in. If it came to a twisty road with either car forget it. He would park in a ditch before he got near them.
But then again i did leave a Ferrari 550 Maranello standing once and it was a good half mile before he caught me up but he never overtook me. I just fail to include normally that we were both stuck in traffic on the M25 and i was in a faster moving lane than him :laugh:
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found the intake on here http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14241.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14241.0.html)
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you see, its all in the intake carl, and how you install the MAF screws with a hammer and chisel
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Nope it must be that 3rd Filter coming out from the Cylinder head cover :grin:
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Christ... that intake is a shambles! :stupid:
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But gives good results :confused: :confused:
I bet Forge, EVOMS, ITG etc are all sh*tting themselves hoping he won't mass produce it :signLOL:
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I can smell a group buy coming on!!!!! :jumpmove:
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Ive emailed redline, see if they have a comment :happy2:
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I bet even Heath Robinson would be ashamed. :surprised:
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hows your boring golf. you have no character :laugh:
No character but also I don't have a low rent interior :laugh:
Depends what your comparing it to :wink:
I read this as well and did chuckle, i cant see how its faster than an RS4, never mind a tuned EVO. Even abuser wasnt hugely quicker than the RS4 at stage 2+ were you mate?
Stage one with Milly at the time mate. Stage 2+ would of made a mess of the RS4.. :wink:
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probably so free flowing due to all the stne holes in the bottom filter :surprised:
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Was the RS4 in question a new Model i.e a B7 4.2 V8 or was it a B5 2.7 Bi-Turbo?
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Was the RS4 in question a new Model i.e a B7 4.2 V8 or was it a B5 2.7 Bi-Turbo?
rebadged TDI i reckon :grin:
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Was the RS4 in question a new Model i.e a B7 4.2 V8 or was it a B5 2.7 Bi-Turbo?
B7 4.2 V8 mate.. Nice car, but not all that quick TBH. I've driven 2 now and really don't like the power delivery and thought it felt quite slow to be fair (well slow for 414bhp obviously). Was left very underwhelmed.. :confused:
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i think with alot of cars like that you expect to much. in comparison to other std cars they are immense,
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I wasn't meaning yours mate. I was talking about the one the leon supposedly beat :happy2:
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i think with alot of cars like that you expect to much. in comparison to other std cars they are immense,
But when compared to the likes of the M3, it's not mate.. :sad1:
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carl just accept it your vRS is slow.
your only way past this is a quadrupletake incorporating an ITG, an evoms and a twintake
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Not as slow as your French Skip :evilgrin:
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how dare you talk of my wife's car like that.
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RS4 is slow for the money my stage 1 cupra at the time was as quick in the damp coming off a roundabout. Stage 2 plus and it doesnt stand a chance.
I think I met the owner of this car at audi drver international. He spent some time on the track, and his car seemed to do really well.
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I know 300bhp is very rare from a Ko3, but if it was genuine then I could quite believe that it would give an RS4 a headache, especially if the driver aint great..
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I know 300bhp is very rare from a Ko3
So is Rocking Horse sh*t :laugh:
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I know 300bhp is very rare from a Ko3
So is Rocking Horse sh*t :laugh:
...and Hen's Teeth. :wink:
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the only thing different between carls and this guy car is that heath Robinson intake and SFS discharge/charge hoses.
carl is using evoms and neuspeed discharge and charge pipes. you can be pretty certain it isnt worth 43Hp difference over carls. 280hp is widely regarded as the highest output you will see on k03 and thats with all the trimmings and garnish work.
i think as carl said earlier, this guy must be talking about the older model RS4 bi-turbo, either that or hes talking poo
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I've told you Sy it's that mini filter on top of the engine that does it. :laugh:
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Bacilius' car is very close to 300bhp (has made it on some rollers). Made 294bhp & 330lb/ft on RS Tuning's DD rollers back in July and is a very strong car..
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but there is something strange about that though, as thats on the std intake as well. although he has done in on multiple rollers, so who knows, maybe just a lucky engine.
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but there is something strange about that though, as thats on the std intake as well. although he has done in on multiple rollers, so who knows, maybe just a lucky engine.
He has a Twintake mate.. :wink:
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he does now, he didnt before when he was making those figures
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The 294bhp 330lb/ft he made @ RS Tuning was with the Twintake bud..
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I can show you a very scary Stage 2 graph on a K03.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FBRISKODA%252002%252002%252008%2FGraphs-No-Details%2FOCT23VRS.gif&hash=08b027d318f73333e0bf05b9f66bca8984a8ce60)
This was Fishface's before Revo developed the 2+ code. The reason for the quite high figures was that it was operating outside the normal map parameters and hence why 2+ was developed to reign things in a bit.
Apparently it was quite quick as well. :wink:
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the eraly revo stage 2+'s seem to have beenaround that region of power, however it seems revo have reigned them back even further with their newer versions of the code aws they dont seem to be breaking the 270hp barrier ojn JKMs rollers any more
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Surely a mildly fettled b5 rs4 is quicker than the v8 rs4?
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Another way to put it -
B5 RS4 - 235bhp/ton (rough taking a kerb weight of 1620kg)
B7 RS4 - 250bhp/ton (rough taking a kerb weight of 1710kg)
Leon K03 Stage 2+ Supercar - 214bhp/ton (that's taking it being the minimum of 1395kg Kerb weight and car actually having 300bhp)
Realistic K03 Stage 2+ - 203bhp/ton (working off 280bhp & 1395kg weight)
47bhp/ton extra is a lot to give way to. The RS4 Driver must have been Tonk if it was a B7 RS4
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I can show you a very scary Stage 2 graph on a K03.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jkm.org.uk%2Fperformance%2FMisc%2FGallery%2Frollingroaddays%2FBRISKODA%252002%252002%252008%2FGraphs-No-Details%2FOCT23VRS.gif&hash=08b027d318f73333e0bf05b9f66bca8984a8ce60)
This was Fishface's before Revo developed the 2+ code. The reason for the quite high figures was that it was operating outside the normal map parameters and hence why 2+ was developed to reign things in a bit.
Apparently it was quite quick as well. :wink:
Shame you haven't got a copy of the AFR reading for that though. It looked like a Seismograph reading from an earthquake :laugh:
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Another way to put it -
B5 RS4 - 235bhp/ton (rough taking a kerb weight of 1620kg)
B7 RS4 - 250bhp/ton (rough taking a kerb weight of 1710kg)
Leon K03 Stage 2+ Supercar - 214bhp/ton (that's taking it being the minimum of 1395kg Kerb weight and car actually having 300bhp)
Realistic K03 Stage 2+ - 203bhp/ton (working off 280bhp & 1395kg weight)
47bhp/ton extra is a lot to give way to. The RS4 Driver must have been Tonk if it was a B7 RS4
That's if the RS4 is in fact 414bhp, which most aren't! :confused:
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True,
Most K03 can't get 300bhp either :laugh:
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Shame you haven't got a copy of the AFR reading for that though. It looked like a Seismograph reading from an earthquake :laugh:
bit like daves shark stage3 map :grin:, wander whats wrong with his car actually, especially since timmys one made excellent figures
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True,
Most K03 can't get 300bhp either :laugh:
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I've just read this thread and its given me some quality entertainment for a Monday morning. I'm gonna spend the rest of my days searching for a KO3 Stage 2+ Seat Supercar to race!! Great stuff. :signLOL:
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I've just read this thread and its given me some quality entertainment for a Monday morning. I'm gonna spend the rest of my days searching for a KO3 Stage 2+ Seat Supercar to race!! Great stuff. :signLOL:
unless you have 360hp+ dont bother :grin:
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:signLOL:
I've got a Stage 2+ Skoda Supercar that beats Ferrari 550's in traffic :laugh:
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Oh well looks like i've no chance then. I've only got 342...i might buy one of VC's stickers and then i might edge him. :signLOL:
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here's the magazine article:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi756.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Freview005.jpg&hash=0af985ee5515efe745d4fb76876bbeb097d4a79f)
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At last, I think we may have a worthy competitor to take on the mighty Leon (as long as there are no corners involved!!) :wink:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi33.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd70%2FPablos911%2Fbloodhound-ssc01f.jpg&hash=18c65ced4bd73a80e2b1903630d61aaac7a34fc6)
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i think he needs to put his car on some better rollers :rolleye: and then a ko4 behind him saying move over you slow ko3 :P and as for being in a mag well they put some crap in them dont they :signLOL: he does know us ko4 boys make 400+ plus on superchips rollers :grin:
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i bet this guy loves the US GTI forums.
Also i notice he has actually chnage dhis intake from the Dbilias front scoop to an open filter
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Ask Bacillus about his spookily high (and consistently high) outputs, regardless of the Dyno. :wink:
I doubt if the guy in the feature has the highest output K03 :innocent:
Also doubt if his motor is anywhere near as fast as he makes out..........definitely the stickers :grin:
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that is a quality article. :signLOL:
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Right im going to ask them to do an Article about my Ferrari 550 slaying Skoda :evilgrin:
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This was the same fella who I talked to at ADI. He was certainly hassling some cars, that a k03 shouldnt be bothering so who knows. Him being a smidgen ahead of a rs4 sounds about right at 300hp :happy2:
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Reply from redline
Hi, thanks for the email.
Any claims are purely from the owner, but with a genuine 308bhp it WOULD easily need 350bhp+ for an Evo weight 4wd car to accelerate away due to the huge transmission losses etc of 4wd, even more so with something as heavy as an RS4.
We have tested this ourselves countless times at Bruntingthorpe etc, so we would never question that.
4wd cars always have impressive 0-60 and 0-100 times, but when you test rolling start figures they are far less impressive.
The power figure, well, thats claimed by the owner, we wouldnt want to speculate, but as rolling roads all read so differently, and thats not a million miles off whats generally done with a K03, well...