MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Edition_30_P on December 15, 2010, 05:46:14 pm
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As per title I wondered if anyone has put to the test which is faster out of a stage 2+ S3 or and Edition 30!? I know an S3 could get power down better and more than likely handle better due to the Quattro but, which is faster!? have looked to see if this has been posted already but, couldnt find anything!
Cheers Guys,
Phil :happy2:
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rolling from 30mph 3rd gear the edition 30 would win
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rolling from 30mph 3rd gear the edition 30 would win
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+2 Nearly 100kgs lighter and less transmission losses..
S3 would take the 0-60, would be very close 0-100 and after that the Ed30 would be pulling a gap.. 1/4 mile times and terminals of the 2 are a good way of comparing too. S3 normally the slightly quicker time (manual vs manual - DSG vs S-Tronic), but the Ed30 has the quicker terminal speed (by about 3-4 mph). Suggesting the S3 would take the lead and ED30 starts to catch up and pass once up and running..
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Thanks guys!
@ Ron: have u encountered this before? Just that my mate has a stage 2+ Ed30 and got embarassed by a standard s3!?
@ Pov: also what was ur Seat like in comparison to Ed30's and S3's?
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I ran against a couple of st2+ ED30's at inters and there really is nothing in it over the full qtr, 1 was Dan's, can't remember the other guy's name
Did I mention i won both, with big fancy wheels and a slipping clutch :laugh:
and then got beat by TC :grin: although I didn't get a time because I didn't reach 60 :sad1:
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i ve had both s3 and ed30 but only stage 1 , both custom code (be quiet old schoolers :laugh: ) :laugh: and the s3 will leave the ed 30 quite easily due to traction , even at stage 1 the ed 30 struggles imo only down side to a great car :happy2:
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more than likely handle better due to the Quattro but, which is faster!?
S3 isnt quattro, Handling wise id say an Ed30 would be better than the S3, unless wet.
If your mates stage 2+ got embarassed by a standard S3 either
a)there is an issue with the ed30,
b)there was a big style loss of traction on the ed30(easily possible in this weather) or
c) your mate cant drive
My stage 2+ vRS was notably quicker than a standard S3, so a stage 2+ ed30 should and would normally annihilate it
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more than likely handle better due to the Quattro but, which is faster!?
S3 isnt quattro, Handling wise id say an Ed30 would be better than the S3, unless wet.
If your mates stage 2+ got embarassed by a standard S3 either
a)there is an issue with the ed30,
b)there was a big style loss of traction on the ed30(easily possible in this weather) or
c) your mate cant drive
My stage 2+ vRS was notably quicker than a standard S3, so a stage 2+ ed30 should and would normally annihilate it
the s3 is quattro well haldex , the ed 30 may be more nimble but the s3 is much more solid and sure footed , as standard the s3 power delivery is a bit strange but even stage 1 transforms it so s2 must be mental
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The ED30 would win (as long as it is black) :grin:
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haldex is not quattro. Its predominently Fwd. From what i gather its identical to VW 4motion which of course is also not quattro.
quattro is what you find on the on the A4 'quattro's, S4 RS4 etc which all use permenant 4wd and torsen centre diff
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haldex is not quattro. Its predominently Fwd. From what i gather its identical to VW 4motion which of course is also not quattro.
quattro is what you find on the on the A4 'quattro's, S4 RS4 etc which all use permenant 4wd and torsen centre diff
It is Quattro, it can drive all 4 wheels at the same time, just a different type of Quattro to the A4's etc, haldex vs torsen.
It must be quattro there is a badge on my glovebox which says so :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Thanks guys!
@ Ron: have u encountered this before? Just that my mate has a stage 2+ Ed30 and got embarassed by a standard s3!?
@ Pov: also what was ur Seat like in comparison to Ed30's and S3's?
The K1 was quicker 30-120 than another stage 2 plus s3.
more than likely handle better due to the Quattro but, which is faster!?
S3 isnt quattro, Handling wise id say an Ed30 would be better than the S3, unless wet.
If your mates stage 2+ got embarassed by a standard S3 either
a)there is an issue with the ed30,
b)there was a big style loss of traction on the ed30(easily possible in this weather) or
c) your mate cant drive
My stage 2+ vRS was notably quicker than a standard S3, so a stage 2+ ed30 should and would normally annihilate it
On a smooth circuit id say the ed30 could very well be the better handler, out in the real world and the twisties you gotta give it to the s3
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haldex is not quattro. Its predominently Fwd. From what i gather its identical to VW 4motion which of course is also not quattro.
quattro is what you find on the on the A4 'quattro's, S4 RS4 etc which all use permenant 4wd and torsen centre diff
It is Quattro, it can drive all 4 wheels at the same time, just a different type of Quattro to the A4's etc, haldex vs torsen.
It must be quattro there is a badge on my glovebox which says so :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Correct, it can drive all wheels some of the time but it doesnt all of the time, because it is haldex and not quattro :P
quattro is permanent 4wd and cannot be any other way. I used to have a GTI badge on my vRS, which made it faster 4hp iirc
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haldex is not quattro. Its predominently Fwd. From what i gather its identical to VW 4motion which of course is also not quattro.
quattro is what you find on the on the A4 'quattro's, S4 RS4 etc which all use permenant 4wd and torsen centre diff
It is Quattro, it can drive all 4 wheels at the same time, just a different type of Quattro to the A4's etc, haldex vs torsen.
It must be quattro there is a badge on my glovebox which says so :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Correct, it can drive all wheels some of the time but it doesnt all of the time, because it is haldex and not quattro :P
quattro is permanent 4wd and cannot be any other way. I used to have a GTI badge on my vRS, which made it faster 4hp iirc
who says Quattro is only Quattro if its all the time???
anyway is would be if it was really slippy all of the time :laugh: :laugh:
only pulling yer leg, I really don't a give a shhh, its very effective in anything less than perfect conditions, at the last trackday at Anglesey in the morning session things were a bit unpredictable and the S3 was smashin :smiley:
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agreed, im not a fan of the golf at all. the only 2 i like are the vRS and S3. shame the S3 is too small for me
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It is Quattro, it can drive all 4 wheels at the same time, just a different type of Quattro to the A4's etc, haldex vs torsen.
It must be quattro there is a badge on my glovebox which says so :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Audi changed their definition of Quattro and expanded it so they could badge engineer the likes of the S3. It used to be just the Torsen diffed cars that could use it.
All I need now are some Quattro badges for my .:R :wink:
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It is Quattro, it can drive all 4 wheels at the same time, just a different type of Quattro to the A4's etc, haldex vs torsen.
It must be quattro there is a badge on my glovebox which says so :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Audi changed their definition of Quattro and expanded it so they could badge engineer the likes of the S3. It used to be just the Torsen diffed cars that could use it.
All I need now are some Quattro badges for my .:R :wink:
thats it then, its is Quattro :wink:
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To be honest guys I, think my mate is a crap Driver, Lol!! I was thinking about getting an S3 from that I've seen but, I've decided I'm goig to stick with my Eddy and make it as fast as I can!
What would I need if iwas to go big turbo on my Eddy to put don the power properly!?
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To be honest guys I, think my mate is a crap Driver, Lol!! I was thinking about getting an S3 from that I've seen but, I've decided I'm goig to stick with my Eddy and make it as fast as I can!
What would I need if iwas to go big turbo on my Eddy to put don the power properly!?
Haldex :laugh:
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Diff :evilgrin:
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:signLOL: I wish I could have Haldex on my Eddy!!
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To be honest guys I, think my mate is a crap Driver, Lol!! I was thinking about getting an S3 from that I've seen but, I've decided I'm goig to stick with my Eddy and make it as fast as I can!
What would I need if iwas to go big turbo on my Eddy to put don the power properly!?
read this
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=291529
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To be honest guys I, think my mate is a crap Driver, Lol!! I was thinking about getting an S3 from that I've seen but, I've decided I'm goig to stick with my Eddy and make it as fast as I can!
What would I need if iwas to go big turbo on my Eddy to put don the power properly!?
Haldex :laugh:
Don't you mean Quattro Gaz.. :signLOL:
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I ran against a couple of st2+ ED30's at inters and there really is nothing in it over the full qtr, 1 was Dan's, can't remember the other guy's name
Did I mention i won both, with big fancy wheels and a slipping clutch :laugh:
and then got beat by TC :grin: although I didn't get a time because I didn't reach 60 :sad1:
Not suprised, Dan's is Custard Code.. :signLOL:
Sorry Dan.. :ashamed: Only kiddin.. :drinking:
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Haldex has NO place on an edition 30..... LSD or proper Quattro, now we are talking!! :booty:
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Haldex has NO place on an edition 30..... LSD or proper Quattro, now we are talking!! :booty:
Golf R!! :signLOL:
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Golf R isnt an edition though.... no way near as fast! :popcornsoda:
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Golf R isnt an edition though.... no way near as fast! :popcornsoda:
True, but it would be if they saddled it with Haldex :wink:
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buy an r32 and put a edition 30 engine in it! :signLOL:
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Is that possible? I've thought that before Joe, Lol!!
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why waste your £££££ on an engine change :rolleye: just turbo the 32 mtr :driver:
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course it is, dont think anybody has done it, but youd essentially have a s3/golf R in mk5 shape. which is a big fat WIN imo! :smiley:
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why waste your £££££ on an engine change :rolleye: just turbo the 32 mtr :driver:
or that! :rolleye: but they arent the most realible of cars and especially as a daily, whereas the ed30 block would be alot more easyer to live with. :smiley:
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why waste your £££££ on an engine change :rolleye: just turbo the 32 mtr :driver:
or that! :rolleye: but they arent the most realible of cars and especially as a daily, whereas the ed30 block would be alot more easyer to live with. :smiley:
oh and your looking at 8-10k for a turbo conversion. i got my ed30 engine put in with stage 2+ revo for 1300, :smiley:
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your paying way too much for a turbo setup :rolleye:
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your paying way too much for a turbo setup :rolleye:
thats whats on JBS site, i havnt actually done any research except look on there! :signLOL:
how much are they, i have 2k spare!! :grin:
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just looked at jbs site WTF :stupid:
my mate you met at halifax rr day Mat who owns the place will build you a turbo setup and map and set the car up and fab all the pipe work easy enough for less than 10k :rolleye:
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just looked at jbs site WTF :stupid:
my mate you met at halifax rr day Mat who owns the place will build you a turbo setup and map and set the car up and fab all the pipe work easy enough for less than 10k :rolleye:
well im just looking for 280bhp at the moment, got coilovers and spacers on and pipercross vis intake, new discs and pads in january along with wheels refurb and then an exhaust. :party:
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I've always wondered if that would work and would rather run thr 2.0T lump than a Turbo'd 32!! may have to be on the Cards!!! :laugh:
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I've always wondered if that would work and would rather run thr 2.0T lump than a Turbo'd 32!! may have to be on the Cards!!! :laugh:
id love to see somebody actually do it. i should of kept my old engine and put it in my 32, mk4 r32 with ed30 motor in it, :drool: :drool:
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That would've flew!! I'm planning on going the distance with my Eddy but, still undecided on whether I'll go Hybrid or a GT28!? Got time to decide as I have no plans of getting rid of it :happy2:
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That would've flew!! I'm planning on going the distance with my Eddy but, still undecided on whether I'll go Hybrid or a GT28!? Got time to decide as I have no plans of getting rid of it :happy2:
buy an R, and swap the engines, then sell your ed30 as 'special edition, edition 30 with r32 lump' :signLOL:
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That would've flew!! I'm planning on going the distance with my Eddy but, still undecided on whether I'll go Hybrid or a GT28!? Got time to decide as I have no plans of getting rid of it :happy2:
Hybrid is by far the better option with an ED30. I actually bought a full GT2871R set-up and never fitted it to mine as nitrous made for much more fun. Statllers have 2 hybrid ED30's - one manual and one DSG - they are both mental and both make over 400bhp with less lag than a GT28 for less money. :happy2:
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@ Hurdy: Who Hybridised your Turbo? And, what companies provide software for Hybrids?
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John never went with the hybrid mate. He just stuck laughing gas on her and left rippled tarmac around the South Yorkshire area with his 500+lbft :surprised:
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I'm going to speak to a company near my workplace called Turbo Developments to see if they could Hybridise my current one. Just need to find out if Revo or any companies offer Hybrid maps!?
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Your all forgetting the K03s Leon Supercar :laugh:
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GIAC do K04 Hybrid software.
Statllers did quite a bit of testing with the GIAC USA guys.
One word of warning though. If you send off your working K04 and the guys fitting the hybrid parts believe that there is too much play in the spindle, you will get back a refusal to hybridise it along with a K04 in several pieces. :scared:
Best to source a low mileage K04 and send that off, rather than sacrificially offering the one on the car without a back-up. :happy2:
John never went with the hybrid mate. He just stuck laughing gas on her and left rippled tarmac around the South Yorkshire area with his 500+lbft :surprised:
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What he said :signLOL:
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Cheers, hurdy!! Will be on the look out from now then!! Is it only GIAC that do Hybrid software?
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backdraft motorsport are doing a hybrid k04, in which it doesnt matter if the internals of the turbo have play in them as it all gets replaced. I also believe its cheaper from what i gather as well. He is going to be using REVO stage 3 software and trying to adapt that.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html)
Jabbasport are using their own software on their own Hybrid ed30
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html)
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backdraft motorsport are doing a hybrid k04, in which it doesnt matter if the internals of the turbo have play in them as it all gets replaced. I also believe its cheaper from what i gather as well. He is going to be using REVO stage 3 software and trying to adapt that.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html)
Jabbasport are using their own software on their own Hybrid ed30http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html)
What, the one we here so much about? :confused:
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Seems Turbo Dynamics is a lot of people's chices so may have a look at using them :happy2:
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backdraft motorsport are doing a hybrid k04, in which it doesnt matter if the internals of the turbo have play in them as it all gets replaced. I also believe its cheaper from what i gather as well. He is going to be using REVO stage 3 software and trying to adapt that.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19941.0.html)
Jabbasport are using their own software on their own Hybrid ed30http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14310.0.html)
the one we here so much about? :confused:
they did go very quiet. Read a somewhere, maybe rumour jabba were releasing hybrid software officially in the new year. Think they're issue was with the DSG holding it back??
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Should have got a proper gearbox then :P
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Manual all the way :signLOL:
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Manual all the way :signLOL:
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Manual all the way :signLOL:
MAke sure you've got an extra £1k put a side for a new DMF and uprated clutch then mate.. :wink: :xmassmiley:
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and dont forget your clutch packs too :P how much are they again :surprised: :P
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Manual is for people who think they can drive.....
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:P
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how many pedals do you have on the floor 2 it takes skill to control all 3 and change gear too :P
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and dont forget your clutch packs too :P how much are they again :surprised: :P
Yeah, but they are made from much harder chocolate than yours.. :booty:
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yeah but i can get 10 clutches for the price of one of your clutch packs :surprised: :scared: :P :P
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yeah but i can get 10 clutches for the price of one of your clutch packs :surprised: :scared: :P :P
You mean 10 Milky Ways to one of our Yorkies? :signLOL:
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mmmm milky ways :party:
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Milky Ways are yummy :drool: