MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: TopOfTheFlop on December 18, 2010, 09:13:09 pm
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So i drove a friends 335D last week (in texas before you ask about the snow!) and i was blown away!
Anyone else had any experience on this car?
For a diesel the pull was immense and speed overall. The auto gearbox was smooth but laggy in comparison
to the DSG but overall i was impressed.
Tempted to make it my next car in the summer....
Thoughts???
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I own one (2008 msport) and absolutely love it. I mapped mine immediately (being an ecu technician) and it makes around 350bhp and 600ft/lb. Perfect family cars and returns 32mpg even when used hard. Will destroy many high performance cars in a staright line and if you can drive RWD properly they handle amazingly well.
You can pick up a cheap SE version for around 18k with basic spec or go for the proper Msport with every option for around 22k+
Keep thinking of what to get to replace it but until BMW bring out a new version of this engine I think I will be keeping it :smiley:
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I'd agree, the engine is sublime! What can follow it??
Tempted buddy, very tempted!!!!!! But i'd miss the whistling of my GTI and the DSG to add! :grin:
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3.6 twin turbo diesel is roumored :drool:
But probably wont happen for a long time, i think it will remain 3.0 with a big power hike from standard, probably an original car producing around 350bhp.
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Friend of mine bought 325D Performance and chip it to 250BHP. (is the same engine like 335D without 1 turbo charger, so has only 1)
I can say only that these car is amazing. Overall I missed DSG just everething alse is fantastic. Even fuell consumption. 30-40% less than my GTI and more power. I drove it more than 500milles and can say only that I wasnt so much suprised with a car for a long time. I have also 320D at home and is totally diferent if I compare it to 325 with all performance package.
Few pics:
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The White BMW is ********* lush!!!!!!!!!
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Amen to that Smudgster!
Add another k or two on them just for the colour pref!
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Im on my second 335d, currently up for sale if anyone is interested. Very, very fast cars.
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Why you selling Oli?? Getting a 3rd? :grin:
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911
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Not a bad choice :happy2:
Which one? I had a drive in the GT3 - what a weapon!
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997 C2S
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So i drove a friends 335D last week (in texas before you ask about the snow!) and i was blown away!
Anyone else had any experience on this car?
For a diesel the pull was immense and speed overall. The auto gearbox was smooth but laggy in comparison
to the DSG but overall i was impressed.
Tempted to make it my next car in the summer....
Thoughts???
They are very impressive stats wise and I've only heard good things from people who've driven all the straight 6 E90 range.
I dislike the BMW image and badge on principals but I keep finding myself being attracted to the 330D, which may be next on my list when I come looking for a Derv. Too many positives to ignore it.
335D get's the thumbs up from me really. I don't think Audi/VW have an engine that rivals it pound for pound and for the second hand prices they can be picked up for too. A5's are all still well over £22k for a 3.0TDi Quattro on basic spec.
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Sorry for digging up an old thread but can anyone tell me what is the difference between the 325D, 330D and 335D? I know the 335D has twin turbo but that's all I know :stupid:
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as far as im aware the 325 is a de-tuned 330 with 1 turbo unit
335 is a twin turbo :smiley:
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997 C2S
Won't your 335d be quicker? I know my ed30 keeps up with these 997s! Although I'd love a C2S in a heart beat!!
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Sorry for digging up an old thread but can anyone tell me what is the difference between the 325D, 330D and 335D? I know the 335D has twin turbo but that's all I know :stupid:
325d and 330d single turbo.
335d twin turbo.
All are 3 L diesels.
Post LCI (facelift - about 58 plate) 325d and 330d allegedly share exactly same engine/turbo/injectors - just ECU being different ... thus they remap to same bhp !
Pre LCI 325d had different injectors / turbo to 330d so only remaps to about 245/250bhp.
325d is either 197bhp - pre LCI or 204bhp - post LCI.
330d is I think 221/231 bhp - pre LCI versions or 245bhp - post LCI.
335d is I believe 286bhp.
0-62 times are roughly depending on version :
325d 7 (197bhp) -7.5 secs (204bhp)
330d 6.1(245bhp) -6.7 secs (221/231bhp)
335d 6-5.9 secs (pre and post LCI ... power same though I think .. just LCI a bit more economical)
The 330d LCI and 335d LCI are almost the same to 60. It is after 60 that the 335d makes gains being around 13.5 secs to 100mph versus 15 secs for the 330d.
335d has very linear power delivery compared to 330d so is deceptively quick ... my 330d LCI felt quicker on a test drive but isn't ... the fact it felt quicker though made me buy it ;) ...oh, and about 10mpg better on diesel ...
Hope this makes sense :)
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Perfect :happy2: Do the pre and post LCI map to the same bhp and torque figures?
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Mine being mapped:
All 335d engines make similar figures when tuned wether its a 2007 or a 2010 model. Torque delivery is brutal and it has a fantastic chassis, will ourun most things in a straight line, only thing I have had trouble with was an M5. Will also outhandle most hothatches without any mods, brakes are great and a drive to Derby from Newcastle with cruise set at 70(ish) on the weekend saw 45.5mpg.
Yes its quick but you dont get the throttle control and sound that a nice 6cyl petrol gives. Auto box with flappy paddles is ok but lacks feel of a DSG (or equivalent) and Msport ride with runflats is a bit harsh over broken surfaces.
Still the ultimate Diesel though :smiley:
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DCT is the way forward, it gave devastating performance in the new shape 530d I had last week, a lighter 3 with mapped 335d power would shat on most things.
However, speed isn't everything. Who cares if it is/isnt faster than a C2S??
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Ive got to say i wasnt to impressed by the e90 in the corners, although its was brilliant to drive !
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Great info guys. The PDT vid was fantastic. Great gains from stage 1 map. Would you say a 335D would be better than a 335i?
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If I had the choice between the 335i and 335d then I would take the i. But if fuel economy mattered then it would be the opposite.
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either way, both class leading cars! My dad has a E350 conv and i much prefer the BMWs over that!
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A decent video that is ruined by the fact he has a fooking car suitcase on his roof.. That would be like dragging a parachute once at high speeds..
There was another vid of these chaps where they ran without his wind sail. Also against a 335i (stock and mapped). The Pirelli has does have Bluefin though, so not properly mapped.. :signLOL:
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My ED30 stg2+ vs my 335D was similar to that vid. The ED30 would storm away from the 335 but the 335 would gain on it so it was level by highish speeds.
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Without the parachute...
As a comparison, my mate's mapped 335d use to run near identical terminal speeds @ Pod to my Ed30 when Stage 1 (with Milltek). Top speed would always go to the BM though, as cc's/torque/power and aerodynamics always win when V Max comes into play..
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A decent video that is ruined by the fact he has a fooking car suitcase on his roof.. That would be like dragging a parachute once at high speeds..
There was another vid of these chaps where they ran without his wind sail. Also against a 335i (stock and mapped). The Pirelli has does have Bluefin though, so not properly mapped.. :signLOL:
Your right. blufin isnt the best map, i would change if it wasnt for money! Theres so many out there that i wouldnt know where to start looking!!
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It's a lesson in physics - the lighter car gets the jump, superior power reigns it in.
It's not rocket surgery!!
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I think the little 2.0 T does pretty well against 3.0 TT! It defo doesn't embarras itself!
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The videos don't surprise me one bit .... my Edition 30 DSG with Bluefin felt far quicker than the stock 335d I drove before buying my 330d.
I should never have sold the Edition 30 :sad:
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The videos don't surprise me one bit .... my Edition 30 DSG with Bluefin felt far quicker than the stock 335d I drove before buying my 330d.
I should never have sold the Edition 30 :sad:
Get another one then.. :jumpmove:
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The videos don't surprise me one bit .... my Edition 30 DSG with Bluefin felt far quicker than the stock 335d I drove before buying my 330d.
I should never have sold the Edition 30 :sad:
Get another one then.. :jumpmove:
Couldn't find one with super low mileage when I looked ... but saw loads after I bought my 330d :( I do love the 330d though .... not the quickest in the range but still 6 to 60 ... and surprises loads of people :laugh:
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Did you get that mapped mate, or leave it stock?
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Did you get that mapped mate, or leave it stock?
Edition 30 was stage 1 but the 330d is standard ...
The 330d I have is an LCI (facelift) 2010 model so with the newer 245bhp engine which can't be mapped via the OBD port. Given that and the warranty I doubt I will map it. The performance as standard has surprised everyone who has come out in it ... the LCI version I have seems to me noticeably quicker than the previous version 330d which I had driven :smiley:
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Did you get that mapped mate, or leave it stock?
Edition 30 was stage 1 but the 330d is standard ...
The 330d I have is an LCI (facelift) 2010 model so with the newer 245bhp engine which can't be mapped via the OBD port. Given that and the warranty I doubt I will map it. The performance as standard has surprised everyone who has come out in it ... the LCI version I have seems to me noticeably quicker than the previous version 330d which I had driven :smiley:
Even the old 330d's use to shift on, so no doubt the LCI one will go even better.. BMW have really worked wonders with their new engines. Better economy + better performance + less tax/CO2 = :smiley:
Shame about the OBD though. My 135i is the same, but I had the ECU out sharpish.. :wink: :driver:
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Did you get that mapped mate, or leave it stock?
Edition 30 was stage 1 but the 330d is standard ...
The 330d I have is an LCI (facelift) 2010 model so with the newer 245bhp engine which can't be mapped via the OBD port. Given that and the warranty I doubt I will map it. The performance as standard has surprised everyone who has come out in it ... the LCI version I have seems to me noticeably quicker than the previous version 330d which I had driven :smiley:
Got to agree, those 330d do shift, defo have one as my family car. What the 135 like after a map? That must fly!
Even the old 330d's use to shift on, so no doubt the LCI one will go even better.. BMW have really worked wonders with their new engines. Better economy + better performance + less tax/CO2 = :smiley:
Shame about the OBD though. My 135i is the same, but I had the ECU out sharpish.. :wink: :driver:
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Did you get that mapped mate, or leave it stock?
Edition 30 was stage 1 but the 330d is standard ...
The 330d I have is an LCI (facelift) 2010 model so with the newer 245bhp engine which can't be mapped via the OBD port. Given that and the warranty I doubt I will map it. The performance as standard has surprised everyone who has come out in it ... the LCI version I have seems to me noticeably quicker than the previous version 330d which I had driven :smiley:
Got to agree, those 330d do shift, defo have one as my family car. What the 135 like after a map? That must fly!
Even the old 330d's use to shift on, so no doubt the LCI one will go even better.. BMW have really worked wonders with their new engines. Better economy + better performance + less tax/CO2 = :smiley:
Shame about the OBD though. My 135i is the same, but I had the ECU out sharpish.. :wink: :driver:
Yeah, she don't go too bad mate.. :wink: :laugh:
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The ECU will need to be removed on that 330d S08 its an EDC17 tricore unit but its very straightforward and safe, easily returned to stock as well, for more info on the EDC17 tricore and how its tuned look here (video now added to show the process in detail)
http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/antiTuningRemaps/
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I fancy one of these as my next car.....there is one near me (can't get the exact link but this is the stealer).
http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/ (http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/)
£16495, 07 plate 44k miles, sounds good though I did go to see it and to be honest something about it just said WRAGGED...can't quite explain it, it just kind of screamed at me...unloved and hastily prepared.
Pretty sure there are excellent examples out there, may have to be a coupe for me though....
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Black 335d?
Looks a bit, well, you know... I'm guessing the wheels are reps too? Nah.
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My 335d will be up for sale shortly, keep an eye on the classifieds section.
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997 C2S
Won't your 335d be quicker? I know my ed30 keeps up with these 997s! Although I'd love a C2S in a heart beat!!
Haha, maybe, but any idiot can drive a 335D quickly. As I've proved, I've had two........boring as he'll though.
Love my C2S.
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My 335d will be up for sale shortly, keep an eye on the classifieds section.
Why you selling?? Funny how we all just love ze german cars!!!
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My 335d will be up for sale shortly, keep an eye on the classifieds section.
Why you selling?? Funny how we all just love ze german cars!!!
E92 M3 is coming to my driveway in November :smiley:
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Hahahah that's a pretty bloody good reason!!! That V8!!! :evilgrin:
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I fancy one of these as my next car.....there is one near me (can't get the exact link but this is the stealer).
http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/ (http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/)
£16495, 07 plate 44k miles, sounds good though I did go to see it and to be honest something about it just said WRAGGED...can't quite explain it, it just kind of screamed at me...unloved and hastily prepared.
Pretty sure there are excellent examples out there, may have to be a coupe for me though....
Where about are you? Killermont is not that far away from me either (I am near Taggarts on Maryhill Road)
Recently chopped my car for a 58 Plate 525D M Sport...talk about a comfy but fast cruiser...Inline 6 :D
Alex
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E92 M3 is coming to my driveway in November :smiley:
Mmmmmmmm thats the only M3 ive not owned yet, got to say i think the e90s have a nicer shape but you do loose that carbon fibre roof !
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I fancy one of these as my next car.....there is one near me (can't get the exact link but this is the stealer).
http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/ (http://www.killermontmotorcompany.co.uk/)
£16495, 07 plate 44k miles, sounds good though I did go to see it and to be honest something about it just said WRAGGED...can't quite explain it, it just kind of screamed at me...unloved and hastily prepared.
Pretty sure there are excellent examples out there, may have to be a coupe for me though....
Bishopbriggs here :happy2:
Where about are you? Killermont is not that far away from me either (I am near Taggarts on Maryhill Road)
Recently chopped my car for a 58 Plate 525D M Sport...talk about a comfy but fast cruiser...Inline 6 :D
Alex
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Bishopbriggs here :happy2:
Ah the 'briggs eh? I play golf at Cawder so prob have seen your car about without knowing :D
Alex
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^^^ he he I used to be a member,..hurt my back, got a smaller car...then got my forum name :laugh:
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Going to play in a mapped one of these today, 335D m/sport my mate has one in at the minute so he asked if me and the misses wanted to go see if i could be persuaded away from the golf :signLOL: don't thinks so
We'll see
Darren
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@pdt
Why don't you stick up a feeler post with specs and pics - may be an idea on the back of all the above interest ?
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Going to play in a mapped one of these today, 335D m/sport my mate has one in at the minute so he asked if me and the misses wanted to go see if i could be persuaded away from the golf :signLOL: don't thinks so
We'll see
Darren
Going by the video posted earlier I don't think a mapped one would be quicker than an Edition 30 when mapped ...
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Think it will be pretty close either way!!
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Today I'm going to have a play in a BMW 335i coupe dct, graphite, all the toys....it's a 2008, from a main dealer with low miles for £19k.
Seems (before I see it) a lot of car for the money.
I'm thinking these are not selling well, I'm also already thinking it's not the right car for me but I'm curious about the engine and performance of the dct. I'll go play, watch this space.
If he offers a decent price for mine I may just be tempted if all is well, though would be sh*tting myself about the forthcoming bad weather in Scotland...
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It's amazing how much time you can waste in these places.
Yawn. As you can tell I'm currently waiting for a test drive but have to jump through loops.
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Woweeee lovely !!!
£19k, auto 8.5k miles, xenons, from park rear. No nav, Bluetooth no drive or sat nav.
Advice please. Getting £7.5 k for mine.
Real world mpg may be silly, just checking insurance. Etc.
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I'd deffo hold out for Nav. Bluetooth is a very easy retrofit so long as it has a USB port.
Loads of them for sale and dealers desperate to shift, they're not holding up as well as the 135i sadly... but that does make for bargains!!
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Agree with Tony :happy2: Hold out for one with Nav etc. That is probably why the car is cheap as from my experience in the trade top spec BMW's do take quite a hit on the guide price if not fitted with Nav etc.
But then again if your not fussed on the nav etc go for it if your happy with the figures.
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Id have a 335d over the 335i, unless the 335i had the newer n55 and a dct box. I had a 335i for a few days and managed 24mpg average, then used my 335d for a few days and same journey gave 38.8mpg. If anything the 335d was quicker as well in 'the real world' and I didnt have to fill up every 260 miles.
Did miss the straight 6 petrol soundtrack though.
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When we say dct.....the car is auto with flappy paddles....I thought it was well specified. Leather, auto (I assumed dct), Bluetooth, BMW business (is that the uprated one?), front rear parking sensors, folding mirrors, cruise, 19" wheels. 9500 miles, road tax 6 months, mot full year, years BMW warranty, just serviced.
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I think (and I may be wrong) that the 335i was available in manual, auto, and DCT. If it was 7-speed then it would be DCT...
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ahhh I see...I just thought they were the same thing! better check that one out then in the am. Actually I am coming away from this now to be honest, the low mpg is a pain, I don't mind paying more a month for a newer car and quite fancy a 3 coupe, so I think i will wait for a 330/335d at the right spec and the right price.
Such a shame though as the mileage is so low,...when the sales person was away i dug into the folder on his desk and took a note of the previous owners number, I called him tonight and confirmed all was well with the car and why the miles are so low. He is in Norway working. It is a cracking car though, but perhaps with such a dreadful mpg return it really isn't the car for me.
I don't actually cover that many miles but visiting the petrol station every 5 mins would be a mare and is one of the reasons I started to look, guess my head turned when I saw what a beast I could get for my money!
I will sleep on it, but I think that I have talked myself out of it now. :drinking: or is it :sad1:
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DCT preceded the Step-tronic auto and is indeed 7 speed as Andrew says.. Easiest way to tell is the gear knob..
DCT :
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Step-tronic :
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DCT shifter looks like this :
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If it's a 2008 model, it will be a Step-tronic IMO.
As for MPG, yeah the N54 engine is less efficient than the newer N55. But not by any big margin (2 mpg maybe). Neither are what you would call gas guzzlers either. Unless you drive it like you stole it everytime you use it, you should see mid to low 20's around town quite easily. I average 30mpg in mine (37-38 on a run), but I do a lot of motorway mileage too..
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Step tronic it was then.
I think I'd be ok with a similar mpg to my gti around town but tbh if much worse I'd start cycling. Lol nah...who am I kidding.
Shame there was no nav. Other than that with the low miles reckon it's all there.
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It is a cracking engine mate tbh... Only you can make the decision. :wink: How many miles a year do you do?
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8-10k so it makes no real sense paying much more for a diesel. An equivalent 335d or 330d is a good bit more expensive though there would be a lot of satisfaction from good performance AND not spending half my life filling up.
Thinking dct and nav are important too now in the resale. As above I'm talking myself out if it.
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The nav and idrive system is a must, adds so much more to the car than just a satnav.
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Equivalent 335d/330d's with all the toys this car has and the nav + idrive take me way over my notional budget.
I do think for the money this car, with is very low miles is a cracking buy.
I love me toys though... And not sure I'm happy paying so much at the pumps.
***thinks***
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It's daft paying 3-4k more for a derv and not doing the miles. It's the same price per litre give or take, so the increase in monthly payments for the more expensive car cancel out the savings on fuel.
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very true young man...as satisfying as it is getting 40mpg and being as quick 0-60 as a 911, it doesn't make much sense when you do the math....
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OOOOhhhhhh sooooo tempting! arrrrghhhhh, I have seen real world mpg on these 335i's as low as 14mpg, I must be mental even considering it.
Come on! (public self flagellation coming up)......I have a great car, there is NOTHING wanting on it, it has all the toys, 4 new tyres, an mot for a full year, road tax, insurance paid, just serviced, new brakes, everything is right with it...why oh why am I even thinking about a change....I need a slap. :rolleye:
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very true young man...as satisfying as it is getting 40mpg and being as quick 0-60 as a 911, it doesn't make much sense when you do the math....
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OOOOhhhhhh sooooo tempting! arrrrghhhhh, I have seen real world mpg on these 335i's as low as 14mpg, I must be mental even considering it.
Come on! (public self flagellation coming up)......I have a great car, there is NOTHING wanting on it, it has all the toys, 4 new tyres, an mot for a full year, road tax, insurance paid, just serviced, new brakes, everything is right with it...why oh why am I even thinking about a change....I need a slap. :rolleye:
Oh oh......fully expect to see another thread saying that you are getting a 330/335D next week hahah!
As PDT has said hold out for one that has iDrive/Nav in it. I have the Prof Nav and iDrive in my 525D. If you are not sure I can bring the car around and you can see if you can live with the Nat/iDrive or not.
Alex