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Title: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS Carl on January 17, 2011, 03:25:51 pm
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/254741/

It's in Autocar so it must be True  :signLOL:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Jaywoo-GTI on January 17, 2011, 03:29:38 pm
Sound very possible though,
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Hurdy on January 17, 2011, 03:39:31 pm
So expect the new MKVI's to have a cheaper chassis AND a cheaper engine than the MKV - but still cost more :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS Carl on January 17, 2011, 03:41:44 pm
So expect the new MKVI's to have a cheaper chassis AND a cheaper engine than the MKV - but still cost more :laugh:

Just because you have a posh Toyota Avensis doesn't mean you can start hurling abuse everywhere :laugh: :booty:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: 182_blue on January 17, 2011, 03:41:50 pm
Sound very possible though,

From reading the Scirocco forum there seems to be a few issues with the engine ? (Misfiring among other things), and all sorts tried to fix the problem with the end result being a new engine!!, wonder if thats behind it too ?
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: tony_danza on January 17, 2011, 03:49:27 pm
It'd be a shame, it's a belter of an engine.
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Hurdy on January 17, 2011, 04:10:23 pm
So expect the new MKVI's to have a cheaper chassis AND a cheaper engine than the MKV - but still cost more :laugh:

Just because you have a posh Toyota Avensis doesn't mean you can start hurling abuse everywhere :laugh: :booty:

 :P

I'm sure my statement will prove true, given time Carl :wink:

and it's a VERY posh Avensis if you don't mind :signLOL:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 17, 2011, 05:21:51 pm
read quite a few articles on this now.  Alot of people jumped on the bandwagon saying it was down to reliability, but the engines 5 years old and has won the top awards everyear since its release, so i doubt that tbh.  Cant imagine it being cheap to make though
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: RedRobin on January 17, 2011, 05:52:36 pm

Just because you have a posh Toyota Avensis doesn't mean you can start hurling abuse everywhere :laugh: :booty:


 :P

I'm sure my statement will prove true, given time Carl :wink:

and it's a VERY posh Avensis if you don't mind :signLOL:


....But nothing like as posh as a new RS3, especially in grey  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Snoopy on January 17, 2011, 06:19:52 pm
IMO the twincharger is overkill you don't need to twincharge if you turbocharge it properly in the first place, other makes manage just as well and make similar power/torque.
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 17, 2011, 08:03:36 pm
seems like it might not be true, according to this guy on SCN
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... i would know it if volkswagen wants to stop the production of the 1.4 TSI engine ... and volkswagen don´t stop the production. END!
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i know it because i work at Volkswagen AG Wolfsburg in the Research & Development.

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at the end of this year, maybe at the beginning next year, another (very fast) Polo comes out with the 1.4 TSI Engine ... so, we don´t need to talk about the end of this engine ...

Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: BeezerDiesel on January 17, 2011, 08:15:41 pm
^^^^ Oooh, Polo R on its way???  :drool: Suddenly my ears prick up and the Polo becomes not just pretty, but pretty interesting too.... :party:
Bring it on, make mine a blue one. Mid life crisis here I come.  :laugh:

4wd too!!!
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: RedRobin on January 17, 2011, 09:24:36 pm
^^^^
That KevinIB guy from VW Wolfsburg R&D needs to come over here and not waste his time on SCN!  :grin:

Someone PM him  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: big_stu_86 on January 17, 2011, 09:29:52 pm
to be honest guys ive replaced at least a handful of these engines for crumbled pistons between the piston rings in scirroccos and golfs, i dont really rate these engines for that reason, but when there running good they are great for what they are imo!  :happy2
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 17, 2011, 09:34:52 pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo dont say that, mines being built as we speak :grin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Top Cat on January 17, 2011, 09:39:54 pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo dont say that, mines being built as we speak :grin:

That will be staying standard then.  :laugh:  or maybe just a mild BF map.  :grin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: muckipup on January 17, 2011, 09:40:43 pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo dont say that, mines being built as we speak :grin:

 :laugh:  I'd hang on to that Peugeot of yours mate   :driver:  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: TrickGTI on January 17, 2011, 09:46:24 pm
Ha you won't want to go stage 2+ if the pistons like to melt on their own  :signLOL:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: big_stu_86 on January 17, 2011, 10:05:30 pm
some forged pistons, uprated rods a map n it should be a sweet punchy solid wee 1.4! lol  :happy2:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 17, 2011, 10:14:32 pm
I'd hang on to that Peugeot of yours mate   :driver:  :evilgrin:
its gone, im without a car for the minute

That will be staying standard then.  :laugh:  or maybe just a mild BF map.  :grin:

you say that, ive actually been considering Bluefin for that very reason.  REVO will be very aggressive and high on torque.  Maybe bluefin will be more reserved.  Id go there and get them to map it @ their HQ though if i was to do it
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Hedge on January 17, 2011, 10:43:04 pm
some forged pistons, uprated rods a map n it should be a sweet punchy solid wee 1.4! lol  :happy2:

Probably cost half as much as the car  :wink: :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: BeezerDiesel on January 18, 2011, 04:53:42 am
I think we can only hope that VW will go the extra mile and beef up the internals if they're going to start producing 200+ BHP versions of this little engine.
I can't see well heeled trendy Audi S1 owners putting up with knackered engines for long.
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: RedRobin on January 18, 2011, 10:15:54 am
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Audi RS1 anyone?  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 18, 2011, 04:21:56 pm
some forged pistons, uprated rods a map n it should be a sweet punchy solid wee 1.4! lol  :happy2:

Probably cost half as much as the car  :wink: :laugh:

Not into the engine/turbo upgrade route.  Ill do whats safe for the standard internals and gear box and no more.  Ill just do the brakes and handling instead.  

hedge stop laughing at my 1.4.  Just because you have nearly 3 times the CC
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS_Pagey on January 18, 2011, 04:31:09 pm
I was under the impression that the 7 speed DSG in the Fabia vRS (that is what your having built, isn't it?) is a hair's breath from maximum tolerances on the torque front, so no remap for Sy!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS Carl on January 18, 2011, 04:32:11 pm
You can remap it. The torque delivery is altered and the curve fattened without the level actually being increased so i'm led to believe :smiley:

Still won't sound as good as a vRS with VF Engine Mounts :P :evilgrin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Hedge on January 18, 2011, 04:47:11 pm
hedge stop laughing at my 1.4.  Just because you have nearly 3 times the CC

:innocent:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 18, 2011, 04:50:38 pm
I was under the impression that the 7 speed DSG in the Fabia vRS (that is what your having built, isn't it?) is a hair's breath from maximum tolerances on the torque front, so no remap for Sy!!  :laugh:

they remap to 210-220hp but peak torque only improves around 5NM so is still within limits.  As carl said the rest of the torque curve is raised so you have a more consistent level of torque throughout the rev range.

These limits from what i gather are forum rumour from what i gather. the main tuners like APR and REVO have dopne their testing and say the DSG is more than capable its just the clutch that will give out early. But thats no different to a TFSI in that respect

@ carl.  ive heard Mounts on the fabia make it sound like a V8..
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS Carl on January 18, 2011, 04:52:53 pm
@ carl.  ive heard Mounts on the fabia make it sound like a V8..

Nooooo you have misquoted. They make the Fabia sound like an 8V  :grin: :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 18, 2011, 04:54:34 pm
 :congrats: :grin:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Hedge on January 18, 2011, 04:54:52 pm
@ carl.  ive heard Mounts on the fabia make it sound like a V8..

Nooooo you have misquoted. They make the Fabia sound like an 8V  :grin: :laugh:

Or even the dreaded htp  :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: RedRobin on January 18, 2011, 05:00:24 pm
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You should hear engine mounts on a 2CV!

[WARNING: The soundtrack is nice and loud!]

Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 18, 2011, 05:02:12 pm
even the dreaded htp  :laugh:

you laugh, someone on briskoda made one my favourite ever comments

This is a quote from a guy about his HTP fabia.  You can see my comment below it :grin:
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name='fabia19' date='15 January 2011 - 13:34' timestamp='1295098461' post='2239955']
Had a 1.2 HTP as a courtesy the last 3 days,, the same white with black pillars too. But no alloys, and that thing flew along and sounded like a ferrari. I would love to try a VRS. Nice choice mate.
Think i just misread that!!1

And his reply to that was
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name='fabia19' date='16 January 2011 - 13:24' timestamp='1295184242' post='2241230']
Maybe Im just too used to the SDi engine note, but that 1.2 HTP really impressed me. Lovely noise, like a baby V6.



so the HTP sounds like a ferrari
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: vRS Carl on January 18, 2011, 05:09:40 pm
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You should hear engine mounts on a 2CV!

[WARNING: The soundtrack is nice and loud!]



For a minute there i thought someone had dumped an F1 V10 into a 2CV. :laugh:
Title: Re: VW Twincharger could be Axed
Post by: RedRobin on January 18, 2011, 05:14:51 pm

For a minute there i thought someone had dumped an F1 V10 into a 2CV. :laugh:


....Someone already has 'dumped' a Ferrari engine into a 2CV!



^ Possibly my dream car! Stick with the vid to see and hear it in action and enjoy  :happy2: