MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on January 28, 2011, 07:30:27 pm
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When reading though reviews about the Cupra/GTI/vRS that some journalists complain that its not as good as manual, and with the ibiza/fabia/polo DSG is the only option.
Now i've noticed that on the skoda/seat forums there are alot of guys slating DSG (90+% of which own a manual anyway :confused:) What are your experiences and would you go back to manual if you have DSG now.
You all get 2 votes on the poll, as there are 2 questions really :happy2:
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The last 3 cars I had were all DSG and all were excellent.
A remap of the DSG makes it just about perfect :love:
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I had manual in my Edition 30 and thought it was great but picked up a Scirocco 2.0TSI DSG for work today and oh my :evilgrin:
Love how fast it changes gear.
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Owned a an Audi with dsg hated it after 2 months so got rid :rolleye:
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What engine did it have Mat?
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The last 3 cars I had were all DSG and all were excellent.
A remap of the DSG makes it just about perfect :love:
Spot on :happy2:
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I love mine... great fun to drive, but it does take some getting used to.
In "D" you have to forget the "i need to be in 2nd gear at this point" or "why the hell is it in 6th gear doing 40mph" way of thinking... if you cant get over point like those it will annoy you.
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Hate hate hate dsg, ultimately a personal thing for me but I enjoy the drive and process of a gear change :driver:
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Hate hate hate dsg, ultimately a personal thing for me but I enjoy the drive and process of a gear change :driver:
Clutch in.......lose all power......change gear.........re-apply power...head jerks backwards......Go!!!!! = Manual gearbox process :P
Press fast pedal..go..next gear..go..next gear..go....gone!!! = DSG :wink:
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What engine did it have Mat?
Gti engine ko3 just hated it after a while
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My vRS is manual and the Diseasel is DSG.
I really like the DSG and my next car will definately have it. Along with flappy paddles which the Diseasel doesnt have :sad1:
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Hate hate hate dsg, ultimately a personal thing for me but I enjoy the drive and process of a gear change :driver:
Clutch in.......lose all power......change gear.........re-apply power...head jerks backwards......Go!!!!! = Manual gearbox process :P
Press fast pedal..go..next gear..go..next gear..go....gone!!! = DSG :wink:
Don't confuse manual with lack of talent :wink:
Like I said it's a personal choice, I didn't say dsg is bad.. Just that I hate it.
I've raced dsg r32s at inters and beat them all except for a turbo'd one. :smiley:
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Hate hate hate dsg, ultimately a personal thing for me but I enjoy the drive and process of a gear change :driver:
Clutch in.......lose all power......change gear.........re-apply power...head jerks backwards......Go!!!!! = Manual gearbox process :P
Press fast pedal..go..next gear..go..next gear..go....gone!!! = DSG :wink:
Quoted for truth... just look at a 1/4 mile graph print out from the DSG and you'll see that in action!
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What you beat from the lights with DSG is amazing :happy2:
on a drag strip of course :P
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I'm finding there is one huge disadvantage to having DSG...
It's limiting my choice of what to get next as i simply no longer consider anything with a manual box :wink:
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I'm finding there is one huge disadvantage to having DSG...
It's limiting my choice of what to get next as i simply no longer consider anything with a manual box :wink:
Doppelkupplung :wink:
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i will never get anything without a DSG style box again.
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For the guys on track days how have you found DSG?
When in manual is it possible to downshift as and when you want and let the box switch up on the limiter automatically, or once your in manual do you have to manually change up yourself everytime. If so that'd be handy as you cant knock the up shifts at all, but i found the DSG didnt change down quick enough when you braked hard, so you could catch it out when you went back on the gas. Notable on roundabouts when you try to nip out into a gap.
Also how much does the DSG 'learn' your driving style?
I've done 4 'Ring trips in mine and drove them all in Manual mode, been caught out a couple of times holding the gear too long and the car just changes up itself with no drama, downshifts are available any time although it will change back up straight away if your on the redline...
I find the box is in lazy commute mode after a week of the wife driving when i get to play at the weekends, couple of hours of my driving and its in my 'mode', after track work it becomes quite savage on the road for a while :grin:
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So the DSG not changing down quick enough when decelerating rapidly, will that change as that was the only flaw i found. Not to much of an issue as the ay i see it, i can tap the gears down myself if i need the power
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Ed30 has dsg first car i've had with any kind of auto box and i love it. :happy2: the mrs MK6 gti is a manual and i love that as well. :happy2:
Have to say that it feels to me like you can get more engine braking with the manual box on the downshifts. as i think has been said you have to drive them in a different way to get the best out of each boxes charateristics.
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For the guys on track days how have you found DSG?
When in manual is it possible to downshift as and when you want and let the box switch up on the limiter automatically, or once your in manual do you have to manually change up yourself everytime. If so that'd be handy as you cant knock the up shifts at all, but i found the DSG didnt change down quick enough when you braked hard, so you could catch it out when you went back on the gas. Notable on roundabouts when you try to nip out into a gap.
Also how much does the DSG 'learn' your driving style?
I've done 4 'Ring trips in mine and drove them all in Manual mode, been caught out a couple of times holding the gear too long and the car just changes up itself with no drama, downshifts are available any time although it will change back up straight away if your on the redline...
I find the box is in lazy commute mode after a week of the wife driving when i get to play at the weekends, couple of hours of my driving and its in my 'mode', after track work it becomes quite savage on the road for a while :grin:
you said it all in one line why i hate auto boxes :rolleye: takes skill to drive a car with a good gearbox :P
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For the guys on track days how have you found DSG?
When in manual is it possible to downshift as and when you want and let the box switch up on the limiter automatically, or once your in manual do you have to manually change up yourself everytime. If so that'd be handy as you cant knock the up shifts at all, but i found the DSG didnt change down quick enough when you braked hard, so you could catch it out when you went back on the gas. Notable on roundabouts when you try to nip out into a gap.
Also how much does the DSG 'learn' your driving style?
I've done 4 'Ring trips in mine and drove them all in Manual mode, been caught out a couple of times holding the gear too long and the car just changes up itself with no drama, downshifts are available any time although it will change back up straight away if your on the redline...
I find the box is in lazy commute mode after a week of the wife driving when i get to play at the weekends, couple of hours of my driving and its in my 'mode', after track work it becomes quite savage on the road for a while :grin:
you said it all in one line why i hate auto boxes :rolleye: takes skill to drive a car with a good gearbox :P
I was however on both occasions getting carried away overtaking luddites unsettling their cars mid-corner trying to change gear... :wink:
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Hate hate hate dsg, ultimately a personal thing for me but I enjoy the drive and process of a gear change :driver:
Clutch in.......lose all power......change gear.........re-apply power...head jerks backwards......Go!!!!! = Manual gearbox process :P
Press fast pedal..go..next gear..go..next gear..go....gone!!! = DSG :wink:
Don't confuse manual with lack of talent :wink:
Like I said it's a personal choice, I didn't say dsg is bad.. Just that I hate it.
I've raced dsg r32s at inters and beat them all except for a turbo'd one. :smiley:
I never would VC :smiley:
Don't get me wrong, I like the odd blast in a manual, but always liked the DSG just that little bit more.
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The DSG is the best of both worlds. Drive, think and shift exactly the same as a conventional manual, but pop into auto for urban or traffic jams. You can drive for much longer too as your left leg doesn't get tired.
There's a skill to driving DSG too.
I would never consider owning any car without DSG, S-tronic, or equivalent, ever again. It's been even better since its Revo DSG remap.
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do you do all the up/down shifting yourself on track RR or do you just downshift yourself, and let the DSG shift up itself?
Im not sure how ill do it, until i have a good few goes. Probably end up going full manual
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do you do all the up/down shifting yourself on track RR or do you just downshift yourself, and let the DSG shift up itself?
Im not sure how ill do it, until i have a good few goes. Probably end up going full manual
....I first tried using S-mode on Nordschleife but I much prefer being more in control by deciding when I want to shift gear irrespective of up or down. I think Hurdy has tried both but anyway I prefer staying in M all the time except in 20/30/40 limit zones and traffic queues.
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I'm finding there is one huge disadvantage to having DSG...
It's limiting my choice of what to get next as i simply no longer consider anything with a manual box :wink:
Havent driven a dsg, but been in a dsg car and think its amazing, but at the same time the lack of involvement when driving in a straightline just doesnt seem right.
Manual for fun, dsg for straightline speed.
The VAG ring racers still say the manual cars are quicker round the track than the dsg also.
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Never even started considering DSG and found it rather irksome how that bloody gearbox halved my choice of cars when I was looking to buy. I want to be in the gear I want, when I want it, even if it is the wrong one! I also like that I can go from 2nd to 5th in one go if I'm in an economical mood (that doesn't happen often, mind!).
I'd read up on how it worked, its characteristics, the pros/cons, the amount of faulty units etc and all these were enough for me to not even look at DSG cars. I've been in 2 or 3 as a passenger and find the way the gears are seamlessly slurred into one another really soulless, to be honest.
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You may never like DSG enough to buy one, Simon, but I think you ought to drive a DSG in Manual mode one day. I might even let you drive mine.
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I used my edition 30 dsg last July for some alpine driving in Germany Switzerland and Italy and it was brilliant. Did 2000 miles in 6 days.
I then drove from Zurich to home which took 13 hours and i didnt really feel tired at all. I obviously havent tried the same trip in a manual but i bet i would of been shattered :driver:
The car was in D when i wanted to cruise and relax and it was in M when i wanted to have some fun through the never ending twisties :party:
DSG..... what a gearbox :grin:
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I have a DSG ED30.
It is the first Auto car I have owned and if I had been buying an out and out sports car I would be very disappointed.
D is lazy.
S holds on for tooooo loooong!
So mainly with spirited driving its in Manual.
As my car is used by myself and my wife, me to go to work occasionaly and the wife to potter around the village its great.
Its just a complete lack of control IMHO when driving quick ish.
I can see why EVO are complaining that most new Ferraris and Porsches are all coming with Semi Auto.
So we need a 'not to sure whether I like it or not option'!
I just like control and if I buy another one in the future it will be a manual and the wifes car would be upgraded to a DSG!
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I have a DSG ED30.
It is the first Auto car I have owned and if I had been buying an out and out sports car I would be very disappointed.
D is lazy.
S holds on for tooooo loooong!
So mainly with spirited driving its in Manual.
As my car is used by myself and my wife, me to go to work occasionaly and the wife to potter around the village its great.
Its just a complete lack of control IMHO when driving quick ish.
I can see why EVO are complaining that most new Ferraris and Porsches are all coming with Semi Auto.
So we need a 'not to sure whether I like it or not option'!
I just like control and if I buy another one in the future it will be a manual and the wifes car would be upgraded to a DSG!
....I can understand why there's a lack of driver control when leaving it in S or D but not while in M.
In M, mine (DSG Revo'd) will auto drop from 3rd into 2nd but only at just under 1,000 revs and at 1k revs you're just pootling anyway, so no real-world problem.
Even when in D or S, you can override 'auto' by selecting whatever gear you want. What's not to like?
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Fook me Robin. What engine have you got in yours if it Revs to 10k and is just pootling :confused: :confused:
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Fook me Robin. What engine have you got in yours if it Revs to 10k and is just pootling :confused: :confused:
....Ooops! Typo error! I'll correct it. :drinking:
In my dreams she's a F1 Ferrari V10 :laugh:
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Errr I reckon Robin means 1k revs :P He's an old man now, so he has to squint at the tacho :laugh:
<3 DSG. 'nuff said.
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Errr I reckon Robin means 1k revs :P He's an old man now, so he has to squint at the tacho :laugh:
....Why do you think I've also got a large digital speed display via a PogoAlert?
I'm certainly older but also wiser :P
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I quite like the lazy drive in D mode, I think it makes it easy to live with,esp for a daily and long
Journeys!
Fat lazy cruiser turns into a scalded cat at the flick of a switch! :jumping:
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My 5 series is an auto and the meg does feel a chore when just going to shops but when having fun just feels right having a clutch, only driven dsg once but just seemed like an auto but with quicker changes. I would not want a dsg on track but would on road
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I have a DSG ED30.
It is the first Auto car I have owned and if I had been buying an out and out sports car I would be very disappointed.
D is lazy.
S holds on for tooooo loooong!
So mainly with spirited driving its in Manual.
As my car is used by myself and my wife, me to go to work occasionaly and the wife to potter around the village its great.
Its just a complete lack of control IMHO when driving quick ish.
I can see why EVO are complaining that most new Ferraris and Porsches are all coming with Semi Auto.
So we need a 'not to sure whether I like it or not option'!
I just like control and if I buy another one in the future it will be a manual and the wifes car would be upgraded to a DSG!
....I can understand why there's a lack of driver control when leaving it in S or D but not while in M.
In M, mine (DSG Revo'd) will auto drop from 3rd into 2nd but only at just under 1,000 revs and at 1k revs you're just pootling anyway, so no real-world problem.
Even when in D or S, you can override 'auto' by selecting whatever gear you want. What's not to like?
For me, and people will disagree with this, the engine braking is still missing from the manual mode.
I was taught to drive using engine braking and for me its a big part of the spirited driving 'feel'.
My wife comments on the lack of that too so its not just me.
The feel of the clutch, gearchange etc etc.
It's a real lack of, what's the word, character.
But your right its a bloody good compromise.
But I would be pissed if I was buying a ferrari and I couldn't spec a manual.
J
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For me, and people will disagree with this, the engine braking is still missing from the manual mode.
I was taught to drive using engine braking and for me its a big part of the spirited driving 'feel'.
My wife comments on the lack of that too so its not just me.
....I was taught to use engine braking too: Trying to stop about 2 tons of a 1940s Rover hurtling downhill is not amusing when it has drum brakes! I was in real danger of wiping out a whole village in Worcestershire. It also had an extremely crude version of overdrive/cruise-control which was operated by a wooden 'switch' very like a door knob. I kid you not!
I find that my GTI's DSG has quite a bit of engine braking and certainly slows me down better than that old Rover did! :scared: :scared: :driver: :scared: :scared:
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Day to day driving, DSG every single time.
For the track, manual. Hence one of the reasons for me selling mine, I drove the Bora of win at the Ring and the satisfaction of heel and toe, slotting a gear just right and the whole manual 'feel' just being better. DSG was faultless on track, especially with the Revo DSG remap giving more control, but ultimately it was a bit too easy, a bit too Playstation and lacked satisfaction.
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For the track, manual. Hence one of the reasons for me selling mine, I drove the Bora of win at the Ring and the satisfaction of heel and toe, slotting a gear just right and the whole manual 'feel' just being better. DSG was faultless on track, especially with the Revo DSG remap giving more control, but ultimately it was a bit too easy, a bit too Playstation and lacked satisfaction.
....When you are my age using manually operated clutches etc is just one more thing to have to get right and whether on road or track, I want to get every gearshift perfect and don't care how I do it. For me the satisfaction comes from selecting the right gear at the right time and not how well I moved my wrist and legs/feet. But of course, we're all different and there's no 'wrong' way imo.
I don't doubt that you, or anyone else, can lap a track faster with a conventional manual than myself in DSG, but that's not something I care about. :happy2:
[^ If that sounds slightly unfriendly it wasn't meant to be]
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Have DSG, had tried playing around with one before owning my GTi and enjoyed the drive and now I've got it i love it more. Its the burp on gearshift that I love.
I've no objection to having a manual car, but I do enjoy the DSG and prefer it now I think. But then I love my toys, so the novelty of flappy paddles helps lol
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But then I love my toys, so the novelty of flappy paddles helps lol
....Extend your flappy paddles and you'll have even more fun. I best refrain from using other flap related terms before the watershed hour :evilgrin:
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I very much doubt I could lap faster in a manual than a DSG, Robin. That's why most race cars have seqential boxes, it removes driver error and is always faster than any human.
It's just about 'feel'.. Much as you like to feel your engine through your uprated mounts, I like to feel part of the process of gear selection. I absolutely loved driving the Golf on track, it was just driving the Bora that started the niggling in my brain and I knew what I had to do.
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Nothing more sweet then getting that gear change just bang on in a corner and being able to have the cars engine and box do what you want non of this computer says no bollox :P it's my car and I want this gear now not when you say I can :booty:
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Nothing more sweet then getting that gear change just bang on in a corner and being able to have the cars engine and box do what you want non of this computer says no bollox :P it's my car and I want this gear now not when you say I can :booty:
....What you have said certainly applies to using D and S in DSG but I'm now wondering whether in fact you have ever driven a DSG in Manual mode because the computer doesn't say no in that mode. :surprised: :confused:
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Have owned an audi with your engine and box in and it was not good at all even had an apr map on the car and it was still not the best. Dont get me wrong the box is quick on the paddles and it's quick at most things but god it was boring
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Not quite, Robin. It will not let you downshift on command, only when it decides the rev range it will drop into is in its safe range.
Upshifting is amazing, especially remapped, downshifting is still annoying and compromised. I'd wager I can drop a manual from 6th to 3rd faster than it can kickdown/I could do it on the paddles too.
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Have owned an audi with your engine and box in and it was not good at all even had an apr map on the car and it was still not the best. Dont get me wrong the box is quick on the paddles and it's quick at most things but god it was boring
....Nah, you said it: It was being an Audi that made it feel boring :evilgrin: :wink:
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Not quite, Robin. It will not let you downshift on command, only when it decides the rev range it will drop into is in its safe range.
Upshifting is amazing, especially remapped, downshifting is still annoying and compromised. I'd wager I can drop a manual from 6th to 3rd faster than it can kickdown/I could do it on the paddles too.
....I've never experienced a refusal to downshift in M - I guess I must be good at using a safe rev range. I do check my rev counter a lot (and use my ears).
Kickdown is now disabled on mine by Revo IIRC. Like cruise control, I've never felt the need to use it - A quick paddleshift or two is more reliable.
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Back when I was looking into GTIs and the difference between manuals/DSGs (circa 2007), I read about a problem with the DSG in America. I can't recall the precise problem but in hindsight I wonder whether it was the mechatronics issue. Either way, the chap also had issues with VW trying to accept it.
Anyway, that was enough to put me off DSG and I stuck with manuals. Having said that, there are times when I wonder whether I would have enjoyed DSG. It certainly does appeal. When I sat in a mate's DSG ED30, the acceleration was sublime. No jerky car movements, no drop in rev note. Just pure smooth acceleration.
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ive heard alot of people complain of the kick down. if you only depress the throttle 90% it shouldnt activate the kick down switch. from what i gather the kick down switch is just below the throttle pedal, so is activated when the pedal is floored.
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Something im going to get an instructor to help with is left foot braking in the vRS, especially as theres no use for the left foot with DSG.
Might even start left foot braking in everyday driving as well once ive got used to it. It'll be second nature then
You can't it will disable the throttle. :wink:
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it'll only disable if throttle if your on the throttle at the same time as the brake, which you shouldnt be really. it just means that you can be a little quicker with the transition between braking/accelerating as you not using the same foot.
On the Mk5 TFSI shark performance had the Race map option which stopped the ECU cutting in for left foot braking. so maybe similar can be done with the DSG7?
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Nothing more sweet then getting that gear change just bang on in a corner and being able to have the cars engine and box do what you want non of this computer says no bollox :P it's my car and I want this gear now not when you say I can :booty:
:rollseyes: that's always given as an excuse. Well, in a Mk5, you're as far removed from the engine as you would be from the gearbox with DSG. The accelerator pedal doesn't pull a wire which opens an actual throttle. Instead a digital reference is taken which adjusts the air/fuel/throttle accordingly through a (yes, you guessed it) computer.
Personal preference is one thing - nothing wrong with a manual gearbox, I like a good one as much as anyone here - but don't give any of this "it gives me more control" as an excuse. If you want more control, get an (old) Caterham. Edit: You've got a bug, so disregard, but point still stands :P
/totally overblown response, and nothing personal, but that "computer in the way" argument bugs the life out of me.
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i think you have a good point.
....cmdrfire usually does. He pisses excellence! :notworthy: [bit of a geek really :evilgrin: ]
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Left foot braking.
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Left foot braking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcSAiRxmm0w
....Excellent vid, Mike :drinking:
The key to it seems to be training your left foot to be particularly gentle. Not easy, as the guy says.
[Was gonna click ya a <Thank You>, but no option in this section :sad1: ]
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Left foot braking is good. Just be wary as the first few times you do it you will slam on so make sure no-one is behind you :laugh:
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if in a dsg it wont let you have both brake and throttle pressed as i think was said (i may be wrong) then why would you left foot brake? as sounds like you cant in a dsg?
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As i said about 8 posts ago, it would save time in the transition between accelerating braking as both pedals would be covered. they mentioned it in that vid that TD posted. Being quicker in the transition between the braking/accelerating would be handy for trail braking as well. rather than as the guy in the vid say that period where your coasting between releasing the brakes mid corner and getting back on the loud pedal. Its something i really want to try anywau
But i see where your coming from, if the ECU disconnects the accelerator when you brake ( on both manual and DSG) then heal and toe is pointless.
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I could sort of LFB in the GTI Sy, best achieved by leaving your foot in the same throttle position, you tap it so quick, the power is back in an instant and it achieves most of what you want.
Handy for settling the car on quick direction changes and using the left to slightly adjust a line and tuck the nose in mid corner really helps kill understeer.
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sorry never read that, dont think im fast enough to worry about such a small amount of time saved :signLOL: and if i tried i would bang my head on steering wheel :signLOL:
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Aye, remember your foot is used to kicking a clutch down so isn't sensitive. You need to re-program it every time, so be careful! I still make a cock of it.
Can't say I bother with it on the road, just handy on track days for certain corners.
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ah a monkey harris production...do like his videos.
re LFB..would it not muller your pads even quicker??
goes against the theory of braking before a corner then adjusting the line via throttle...but LFB is about being on the power and using the brake to control the line!
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yes it is, its pointless unless you use it for that, and to do that you would have to be a pretty special driver, i would imagine that most people who try it are the same people who roll up to a trackday, with 888s, cages etc and are useless.no need to try be the stig unless you are.
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ah a monkey harris production...do like his videos.
re LFB..would it not muller your pads even quicker??
goes against the theory of braking before a corner then adjusting the line via throttle...but LFB is about being on the power and using the brake to control the line!
that's if your straightline breaking. If you trail break you still holding onto the brake a little whilst turning in before releasin git and getting on the power. Stops such a large transfer of weight as it keeps the front wheels loaded up a bit more during the initial stage of cornering
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yes it is, its pointless unless you use it for that, and to do that you would have to be a pretty special driver, i would imagine that most people who try it are the same people who roll up to a trackday, with 888s, cages etc and are useless.no need to try be the stig unless you are.
I had an instructor on a airfield day at woodbridge airfield teach me trail breaking. it really does reduce understeer, and it doesnt take too long to get used to. think it could be easier with DSG as your feet wont be so busy sorting the clutch, braking and acceleration.
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of course trail braking reduces understeer...it provokes oversteer!
turning into a corner front loaded on the brakes = light rear end = oversteer city!
u can't deny the laws of physics and gravity.
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Think we sometimes we forget we drove fwd hatches! Lol I will stick to braking before the corner until I get a group b rally car and turn into Walter rhol lol
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of course trail braking reduces understeer...it provokes oversteer!
turning into a corner front loaded on the brakes = light rear end = oversteer city!
u can't deny the laws of physics and gravity.
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exactly, buit of oversteer, gets the nose in, hit the power and let the FWD pull you out the corner. fastest way to drive aFWD car.
Alot more fun as well, until you cock it up, which i have done a few times :laugh:
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Think we sometimes we forget we drove fwd hatches! Lol I will stick to braking before the corner until I get a group b rally car and turn into Walter rhol lol
With you there and that's what I'll stick to aswell. :happy2:
Got proper sideways at Combe once trail braking into quarry.... won't be trying that again anytime soon in a FWD car.
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exactly, buit of oversteer, gets the nose in, hit the power and let the FWD pull you out the corner. fastest way to drive aFWD car.
Alot more fun as well, until you cock it up, which i have done a few times :laugh:
You can also do a bit of throttle modulation to tuck the nose in...aka lift off oversteer!!
but if you like trail braking then fair enough.
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LOL, I'm a long way off being fast and I'm certainly no Stig! The way I see it is you've paid for a track day and you've got 60-70 shots at the same set of corners in relative safety. You may as well try some different things and see if you can learn from it?
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LOL, I'm a long way off being fast and I'm certainly no Stig! The way I see it is you've paid for a track day and you've got 60-70 shots at the same set of corners in relative safety. You may as well try some different things and see if you can learn from it?
nothing meant towards you td, And yeah suppose track days are good for trying diff things, I just drive around though :signLOL:
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Manual all the way for. Have tried dsg but don't like it.
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LOL, I'm a long way off being fast and I'm certainly no Stig! The way I see it is you've paid for a track day and you've got 60-70 shots at the same set of corners in relative safety. You may as well try some different things and see if you can learn from it?
nothing meant towards you td, And yeah suppose track days are good for trying diff things, I just drive around though :signLOL:
I know you weren't chap, I'm just didn't want to sound like a know it all when I'm far from perfect!
I just like to mess about, it interests me seeing how different things affect the car.
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But then I love my toys, so the novelty of flappy paddles helps lol
....Extend your flappy paddles and you'll have even more fun. I best refrain from using other flap related terms before the watershed hour :evilgrin:
Can you point me in the right direction Robin?
I drove in to work yesterday morning and a little bit more length on the flap! would have helped!
If you saw Top Gear with the Aerial Atom V8 can I get something like that which is near the rim of the Steering Wheel?
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TID paddle extension.... i think those are the ones robin has got, and they look pretty tasty.
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Yes, I have TID paddle extensions. There are some other ones on the market now but I think the TIDs are the simplest to fit.
I wrote a review way back in 2008: http://www.bialimotorsport.com/forums/threads/136-DSG-Paddleshifter-Extensions-Review....
They still haven't shown any signs whatsoever of dropping off!
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For the record I love it! Cant imagine going back to the grind....
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I wonder how many folks here thought they wouldn't like it but now love DSG.
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i do generally think that the majority of people who slate DSG including journalists have never owned a car with paddles.
I know myself, at first it just felt weird and awkward to drive fast because i kpt trying to use my left foot for the clutch etc. and kept going for the gear lever. Once your used to it, it'll be no different.
id bet this is the issue with the journalists. they are not used to Paddles, so its awkward for them. they then try a manual car which they are familiar with and all of a sudden it feels natural. hence they abuse the DSG in comparison
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i do generally think that the majority of people who slate DSG including journalists have never owned a car with paddles.
I know myself, at first it just felt weird and awkward to drive fast because i kpt trying to use my left foot for the clutch etc. and kept going for the gear lever. Once your used to it, it'll be no different.
id bet this is the issue with the journalists. they are not used to Paddles, so its awkward for them. they then try a manual car which they are familiar with and all of a sudden it feels natural. hence they abuse the DSG in comparison
....I agree. You have to have a mindset which is willing to like it. DSG took me well over 1,000 miles to feel at ease with it - There are so many options of combinations in using it and it takes time for it to become and feel natural and fluid. I feel slightly awkward in a conventional manual car now, especially as I totally 'think manual' and I have gone to use a paddle which isn't there.
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I had a DSG courtesy car for a week, and it is not for me, too much 'driving by numbers'. I realise that it is for some, but not for others. Perhaps a week is not enough, but how long is a test drive. Then there is the plethora of reported problems that also put me off.
Way of the world.
One question though, and I feel worth reporting on, so people have some indication on what it look for when buying a DSG.
What do you look for when buying a DSG? MK5's are getting 5 years old now, and some have fairly high miles, but you want to buy a DSG, because you have heard it is a great box, or you need an 'auto-esque' gearbox (I know it is not strictly an auto - But a computer has a large hand in changing gears) What do you look for? Both on the car and at the dealers.
Would you buy this car? well out of warranty, probably a fair few owners, highish miles. (not pointing at you RR at all with this at all, just a quest to provide information) Would you buy it with a chequered (some VW and some indy) Service history?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2227801.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2227801.htm)
I would feel far happier buying a manual in the above circumstances, however a buyer may need a DSG. Just IMO.
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when i traded mine in the dealer who looked over mine drove the car backwards and forwards a few times in quick sucession, he saids that's how they look out for dsg issues..
as for experience, dsg took me more than a few thousand miles to get used too, started off using 'd' and 's' - d was just boring and couldnt stand it shifting up to 5th and 6th doing 30-40mph, s was just too much and held the gears too long for my liking, especially on downshifts, as I was used to using the gears to slow down
then started using m all the time and never looked back, was the first thing i did after starting her up and used it all the time even in traffic etc. uprated engine mounts i found improved the 'feel' of the gear changes particularly downshifts and after the revo dsg stage 2 software was on i was very happy, 4krpm launch control ftw :happy2:
but back in a manual now and the only time i miss dsg is when sat in traffic :drinking:
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One question though, and I feel worth reporting on, so people have some indication on what it look for when buying a DSG.
What do you look for when buying a DSG? MK5's are getting 5 years old now, and some have fairly high miles, but you want to buy a DSG, because you have heard it is a great box, or you need an 'auto-esque' gearbox (I know it is not strictly an auto - But a computer has a large hand in changing gears) What do you look for? Both on the car and at the dealers.
Would you buy this car? well out of warranty, probably a fair few owners, highish miles. (not pointing at you RR at all with this at all, just a quest to provide information) Would you buy it with a chequered (some VW and some indy) Service history?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2227801.htm (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2227801.htm)
I would feel far happier buying a manual in the above circumstances, however a buyer may need a DSG. Just IMO.
....Personally, I like DSG so much that I wouldn't be considering another manual car again, but that's just my preference. Mileage wouldn't put me off a VW but number of owners would start me asking why. Full service history and particularly evidence of DSG servicing would also be important.
More complex as it is, I think that a DSG box is less subjected to abuse in its use.
Oh, another consideration might be how highly the car was tuned. Very big torque being stressful?
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thought id bump this up as im looking at purchasing a mk5 gti soon and really want a dsg but little bit worried with all faults/fails that have been reported and the cost to fix.
whats the best way to check a dsg box to make sure it ok? also is it best to test box from cold or does it not matter?
thanks
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whats the best way to check a dsg box to make sure it ok? also is it best to test box from cold or does it not matter?
When my Mechatronic unit went faulty it presented itself as jerkiness and stalling when at low speed in both 1st and reverse gears, reversing up an incline was the worst case scenario for the box, also seemed to occur most when the gearbox was hot
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Overwhelming poll result, only 2 people wish they had manual :popcornsoda:
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its a good box, but i have plenty of years driving before i need to retire my left foot. :smiley:
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heres a question.
my mother wants a new car, she can only drive automatics due to her licence so manuals are out of the question.
Is it legal for her to drive a DSG car then? it is an automatic afterall, just with a manual option
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I would say yes.
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that was my thoughts. I said it should be fine, as it only has 2 pedals. Just not sure about the paddle option complicating matters!
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The congestion charge says the car is registered as a "GOLF GTI AUTO" so it should be legal for her to drive.
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Both insurance policy and DVLA car registration/ownership documents categorise DSG as "Automatic" too. The fact that you can manually override and operate the gearbox seems to be something which those clever British bureaucrats simply haven't grasped yet.. Duh! :rolleye:
Just go ahead if she needs 'auto' and perhaps as a bonus teach her how to flap her paddles (Ooops! That doesn't sound quite right.. Sorry! :ashamed:)