MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: VC on February 03, 2011, 07:21:35 pm
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With the new Very Cherry unit coming i'll finally be able to carry larger amounts of wrapping vinyl so that i can sell it in smaller quantities for those that simply want to wrap small sections of their ride or individual items such as badges etc - in time i'll post some details about that..
for now though i'm trying to gauge the interest on here for application accessories, if there is significant interest then i'll put together some gear for you to get your hands on :party:
Its all industry standard stuff, imported from the states but at massively lower prices than found on the net or to individually import it yourselves (savings on average of between 50-75%)
sort of things i'm on about are:
rapid tac float fluid - 4 fld oz spray bottles (so you can slide vinyl about on a surface, get it in postition and remove excess.... 100% safer than water as it doesnt pollute the glue of the vinyl)
rapid prep contaminant remover - 4 fld oz spray bottles (to prepare the surface and gain maximum adhesion of the vinyl)
mactac felts (for removing access difficult contaminants such as inside badges etc)
Avery Pro felts (high grade max flex squeegees with felt lined blade for air bubble and surface flattening)
there are more things i can add but these are the basics to get you started, they can be used not only for wrapping but also for the application of most vinyls such as window tint, decals etc
i can write a full guide on how to use these items to achieve the best results too should it be needed which i think it will - details like this arent usually told by vinyl companies as its almost like giving a secret away but its no mystery and people can easily learn the skill if shown and time is taken.
what are your thoughts? vote on the poll if you could so i can see if you dont want to post... or if theres an option missing
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Ive already done my badge in 3M Carbon and its quite addictive!
With a bit of guidance there are other bits i wouldn't mind having a go at :wink:
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defo, would want to learn how to do my mirrors and splitter in chrome or satin chrome vinyl :happy2:
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this is what i'm finding more and more, people buy the vinyl from companies more than willing to sell it but dont buy the gear to achieve the best results - usually because they are unaware it exists or that they havent been given advice. Results in shrinking, bubbles, poor fit etc etc
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You dont really need any special tools to do small items though, and for anything bigger i would imagine most people would want it doing by a pro.
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this is what i'm finding more and more, people buy the vinyl from companies more than willing to sell it but dont buy the gear to achieve the best results - usually because they are unaware it exists or that they havent been given advice. Results in shrinking, bubbles, poor fit etc etc
Thats the thing for me - id like to do the wing mirrors and few other bits but i dont want to balls it up. Could get expensive too if its take several attempts to get it right
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i would more than happily have a go VC as we discussed earlier :signLOL: all im gona say is dont knock it until uv tried it people :laugh:
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How hard would something like this be to do? if its not to nuts id have a go myself
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When it comes to shaped areas the vinyl used is micro perforated to allow flexibility, that combined with the right amount of heat and working outwards from the highspots or curve finishes gives the best results. In short, it's not rocket science but does take time and reasonable skill to work with contours so not to over stretch or force the vinyl into a given shape.
It's also worth noting you need to use a vinyl without a "memory" so that once heated it holds it's shape, remembers it and so doesn't shrink :happy2:
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I'd love to have a go myself but don't want the usual carbon stuff, I was thinking doing my roof maybe matt black or dark matt red??
Just on a side note VC can you still supply the rabbit in your avatar?? If so can you send me some payment details and ill get some money to you.
Cheers
Darren
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I was actually thinking of doing the roof gloss black, large area though so tricky I would of thought??
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Just on a side note VC can you still supply the rabbit in your avatar?? If so can you send me some payment details and ill get some money to you.
Cheers
Darren
Been loving that pic for a while, make it 2 if you have any?!
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Just on a side note VC can you still supply the rabbit in your avatar?? If so can you send me some payment details and ill get some money to you.
Cheers
Darren
Been loving that pic for a while, make it 2 if you have any?!
And a third!
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"rapid tac float fluid" use this stuff myself and people will seriously notice a difference from using standard water, i got some of eBay when I started and it wasn't cheap but it was really really worth it.
Nice service your offering mate, maybe put a starter pack together and stuff of a few bottles and stuff?
Like it though ;)
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me and a friend wrapped a mk4 golf estate 2 weeks ago matt black, took us about a week, working at night after our day job, il try get some pics tonight. :smiley:
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didnt intend on this become a sale thread more of a bit of research....but i'll sort some wabbits out for those who want them :laugh: :grin:
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i want one!
i also want a Black roof :D
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I'd be interested in a Rabbit and the parts VC! Could well help with 2011's plans!
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Out of interest VC how much would it roughly be for a piece of vinyl big enough to wrap a mk5 roof, application tool and a bottle of your 'special juice'?
Not holding you to a price just rough idea.
Lee
Oh I'll have a wabbit too! and want to speak to you about doing me a sig :happy2:
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Out of interest VC how much would it roughly be for a piece of vinyl big enough to wrap a mk5 roof, application tool and a bottle of your 'special juice'?
Not holding you to a price just rough idea.
Lee
Oh I'll have a wabbit too! and want to speak to you about doing me a sig :happy2:
depends on your choice of colour, for now i'm not offering the carbon until i'm into my unit but if your talking solid colours then i can supply them (over 80 different colours inc matt), i only use high end vinyls as they last longer and have a better quality both to apply and for the overall finish.... cheaper vinyl can be found but i would only every recommend avery or 3m pro series stuff :happy2:
The stuff i use is high performance 50 micron cast Avery vinyl as it allows for conformity over the most complex surfaces (rather than a calender vinyl as used in decals which has a memory) and has an adhesive specially engineered to give low initial tack, allowing repositioning building to a high permanent adhesion with a twelve year life span
for your roof you'd be looking about about a 3 meter span to allow extra around the edges, you'd be looking at about £27.00 per meter :smiley:
rapid prep to clean the roof you would only need 1 bottle, rapid tac float fluid only 1 bottle and a mactac cloth and squeegee, a heat gun too but thats something you can source from your local craft shop or B&Q etc
So costs would be:
rapid tac float fluid - 4 fld oz spray bottle - £7.99
rapid prep contaminant remover - 4 fld oz spray bottle - £7.99
mactac felt - £6.99 (you would only need one)
Avery Pro felt £5.50
so application gear = £28.47
Vinyl wrap = £81.00
totals you to £109.47 (not inc delivery) :happy2:
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I'm sure VC's special juice is very very expensive Lee :grin: :grin: :grin:
Darren
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I'm sure VC's special juice is very very expensive Lee :grin: :grin: :grin:
Darren
:signLOL: I'm sure it is too! I had a couple of quotes from local vinyl firms and it differs from £120-£200 for the roof using 3M vinyl.
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price fluctuations are usually down to either labour costs or the quality of the vinyl :happy2:
with the high end avery or 3m vinyl, fitted, you should be looking at about £200 but not over :happy2:
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right then, i dont want to turn this into a sale thread so if you want a wabbit then pm me for the link or click my banner below and go to the VW section to find it :happy2:
need to keep this thread focused on wrapping :popcornsoda:
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I defo want get my roof wrapped black gloss, mirrors and rear 30 edition lower part of the bumper, ive already been quoted £160 supplied fitted with 3m vinyl which i thought quite good, few things like to know, how easy is it to maintain, would it need any special treatment when cleaning? would extreme outdoor weather effect it, is the wrapp your supply 100% paint friendly??? :smiley:
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overheads play a part in prices as does labour etc as mentioned and the vinyl lifespan which does vary from 3 years right up to 12/13 years - check with the wrapping company you use for the vinyl spec :happy2:
good quality vinyl wont affect the paint as the adhesives are paint friendly, maintenance is what you'd expect just be careful with it however it can be cleaned and waxed just like paint so no special treatment
dont powerwash it
again down to the quality of the vinyl but weather conditions wont effect it once bonded :smiley:
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:happy2: thanks bud, i tempted to buy the wrapp from yourself then pay somebody to do it for me, that way i know im getting good quality stuff, somebody not trying to make the larger profit margain with a cheaper wrapp any ideas how much somebody would charge to fit this stuff roughly????, im tempted give it ago myself but £109 could be expensive :sad1: if not done right, where are you based???
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thats the thing from me you will need the application materials, so you would need some proficiency to get it right :smiley: using a company you will forego that cost but gain in labour if your not doing it yourself. also worth baring in mind they might not appreciate you turning up with your own materials although the profit is usually made in the application
a decent company will/should use a decent vinyl or at least give you an option - some do state they use one product and then actually use another! I can recommend companies such as raccoon or AST on a national level, locally you will need to do your research :happy2:
ive done a few cars now but am queued up to get into a decent sized workshops to be able to get into proper production (currently using a 1 vehicle bay for wraps and offices for decals) and need to centralise everything - but based in penzance i'm miles out for most of you so wouldnt warrant the travel - but here to help advise as people need it :drinking:
if youre worried, find a company, get the vinyl spec and let me know and i'll happily tell you if your getting the right material. costs to apply will vary massively from company to company
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:drinking: Many thanks mate
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I was thinking Racoon has they have a base in Leeds which is where I am.
Darren
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I was thinking Racoon has they have a base in Leeds which is where I am.
Darren
Darren.
The one in Leeds (well it was actually in Featherstone but had a Leeds Phone Number) has shut down. Nearest now is Manchester I beleive.
Although, I would love to be proved wrong as I would like my roof doing and got a price from Racoon but when I had finally made my mind up between Gloss Black or Carbon, they had shut.
VC, the service you are thinking of offering would be great in my opinion, however I haven't the guts to attempt my roof. You are also too far away from me unfortunately.
I have since contacted another company local to me who told me not to use Gloss Black as it marks too easily?
Another company (again local) said not to use Di Noc 3M Carbon as the prep fluid would damage my paintwork and also it would be irremovable after fitment?
Could you shed any light on this for me please? I know this is your poll thread and I 100% appologise for the off topic post, I will delete it after, if you could be so kind enough to starighten out what I have been told.
Thanks in advance.
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I was thinking Racoon has they have a base in Leeds which is where I am.
Darren
Darren.
The one in Leeds (well it was actually in Featherstone but had a Leeds Phone Number) has shut down. Nearest now is Manchester I beleive.
Although, I would love to be proved wrong as I would like my roof doing and got a price from Racoon but when I had finally made my mind up between Gloss Black or Carbon, they had shut.
Cheers mate let me know if you find someone local or maybe between us we could get the stuff off VC and do our roofs :grin:
Darren
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I have since contacted another company local to me who told me not to use Gloss Black as it marks too easily?
Another company (again local) said not to use Di Noc 3M Carbon as the prep fluid would damage my paintwork and also it would be irremovable after fitment?
Could you shed any light on this for me please? I know this is your poll thread and I 100% appologise for the off topic post, I will delete it after, if you could be so kind enough to starighten out what I have been told.
Thanks in advance.
vinyl will mark yes, but no more than paint, if anything its more forgiving but i think thats a pretty lame excuse for them to use.... might be down to their choice of vinyl? seems rubbish to me - i did a defender last year that then came back to me for more work - covered in fresh scratches from ploughing through trees, but the scratches stopped at the vinyl which was undamaged! i'll get some pix if you want? branches had scored right down through the laquer and paint and the avery vinyl was totally unmarked
the dinoc and the fluid are 2 different things, its the choice of fluid theyre using for prep, simple... and from the sounds of it theyre not using the right stuff? what vinyl they then laid on is irrelevant
the wrapping industry wouldnt exist if prep fluids damaged vehicles
the carbon doesnt require a special fluid all by itself, the prep fluid removes all wax, soap and contaminants like grease etc from the paint work, thats all else it wouldnt adhere correctly
no different that never having waxed your car, the paint is as protected as it leaves the factory - vinyl then gets floated onto it, excess fluid removed from underneath, heated and bobs your mothers brother :happy2:
when the vinyl comes off again theres will be residue from the glues but nothing a thorough clean wont removed, stubborn glues can be removed with other special chemicals and then wax the car back up
i dont want to rubbish other companies at all, not my style, but from their advice... maybe not get wrapped there?
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I was thinking Racoon has they have a base in Leeds which is where I am.
Darren
Darren.
The one in Leeds (well it was actually in Featherstone but had a Leeds Phone Number) has shut down. Nearest now is Manchester I beleive.
Although, I would love to be proved wrong as I would like my roof doing and got a price from Racoon but when I had finally made my mind up between Gloss Black or Carbon, they had shut.
Cheers mate let me know if you find someone local or maybe between us we could get the stuff off VC and do our roofs :grin:
Darren
Yeah, we could do yours first mate :signLOL:
I had tried Totally Dynamic in Bradford ( these recommended not to use Gloss Black Vinyl)
I then tried Paul Turner Graphics in Garforth Leeds ( these say Carbon vinyl cannot be removed without damaging my paintwork)
I had decided on Gloss Black though after seeing some other cars with it on.
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I have since contacted another company local to me who told me not to use Gloss Black as it marks too easily?
Another company (again local) said not to use Di Noc 3M Carbon as the prep fluid would damage my paintwork and also it would be irremovable after fitment?
Could you shed any light on this for me please? I know this is your poll thread and I 100% appologise for the off topic post, I will delete it after, if you could be so kind enough to starighten out what I have been told.
Thanks in advance.
vinyl will mark yes, but no more than paint, if anything its more forgiving but i think thats a pretty lame excuse for them to use.... might be down to their choice of vinyl? seems rubbish to me - i did a defender last year that then came back to me for more work - covered in fresh scratches from ploughing through trees, but the scratches stopped at the vinyl which was undamaged! i'll get some pix if you want? branches had scored right down through the laquer and paint and the avery vinyl was totally unmarked
the dinoc and the fluid are 2 different things, its the choice of fluid theyre using for prep, simple... and from the sounds of it theyre not using the right stuff? what vinyl they then laid on is irrelevant
the wrapping industry wouldnt exist if prep fluids damaged vehicles
the carbon doesnt require a special fluid all by itself, the prep fluid removes all wax, soap and contaminants like grease etc from the paint work, thats all else it wouldnt adhere correctly
no different that never having waxed your car, the paint is as protected as it leaves the factory - vinyl then gets floated onto it, excess fluid removed from underneath, heated and bobs your mothers brother :happy2:
when the vinyl comes off again theres will be residue from the glues but nothing a thorough clean wont removed, stubborn glues can be removed with other special chemicals and then wax the car back up
i dont want to rubbish other companies at all, not my style, but from their advice... maybe not get wrapped there?
VC, thank you for the info, much appreciated mate.
Whilst talking to one of the companies, the method of trimming to the roofs shape was brought up. How exactly is this done? Is vinyl floated on over the edges and then trimmed using a blade? How do you achieve nice neat lines and more importantly for me, wouldn't the paintwork get marked on even slightly scored?
I have invested alot of time, money and patience into having mark free paintwork, and I wouldn't want to be getting any score lines in it whilst having vinyl put on. It may sound a little pedantic or maybe arsey, but I hope it makes sense :innocent:
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have a look at this dude, it will answer a few questions regarding the cutting using rolling blades (akin to cutting paper with open scissors where you slide the blade rather than scissor) and extremely sharp scalpels which are used to complete the trim. You only use the weight of the knife and no pressure to do the last stage and does take skill but you cut the vinyl just deep enough to separate it so you dont actually make it deep enough to hit the paintwork (you can see though why you need a decent firm!)
enjoy:
I will in time start doing some instruction videos of my own
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Slightly off topic VC but not, bear with me you will see.
Is it possible to wrap a Veneered wooden enclosure?
In this example, a speaker?
I ask because I want to upgrade my speakers but the finishes are not to my liking.
If you know would the original finish be preserved?
If so also this would enable me to buy second hand almost any finish.
Sorry to hijack but it is kind of relevant!
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Slightly off topic VC but not, bear with me you will see.
Is it possible to wrap a Veneered wooden enclosure?
In this example, a speaker?
I ask because I want to upgrade my speakers but the finishes are not to my liking.
If you know would the original finish be preserved?
If so also this would enable me to buy second hand almost any finish.
Sorry to hijack but it is kind of relevant!
tbh i dont see why not, as long as the surface is flat and smooth - ive wrapped a number of plastic household items without issue
as for damage, as long as the original finish is bonded down securely to allow the vinyl to lift off again when youre ready then you should be fine :smiley:
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Thanks for the clip VC, he makes it look easy.
Would the primer damage paintwork? It does say only required for shapes though. After seeing that Mini roof I'm now not sure if I'd prefer Carbon again :drool:
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Thanks for the clip VC, he makes it look easy.
Would the primer damage paintwork? It does say only required for shapes though. After seeing that Mini roof I'm now not sure if I'd prefer Carbon again :drool:
the clip is heavily edited, he would have lifted that vinyl on and off many times over to get the edges down, he does make it look easy though... a golf roof is considerably easier shape wise too as the edges arent curved
and no, decent and correct primer wont damage the paint :happy2:
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Thanks again for answering my queries :happy2:
Much appreciated. :drinking: