MK5 Golf GTI
General => Product Reviews => Topic started by: danishmkvgti on February 06, 2011, 08:02:34 pm
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Well i'm getting a bit ahead of the game here but wanted to gather info about this tyre as i can see it be a preferred tyre for the Mk V GTI in the high end tyremarked.
Some reviews from the net:
http://www.porscheblogs.co.uk/tested-the-new-michelin-pilot-super-sport/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/special-report/review-michelin-pilot-super-sport-tires
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Michelin-Supersport-2010-tyre-review/
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/The-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-has-arrived.htm
As i have only gotten the tyres fittedmy review will come later, but as a tyre for everyday use with grip and mileage in mind it does look promising :happy2:
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It's a pity they are not available in 225/40/18!! :confused:
I will stick with my Pirelli P ZERO MO. :happy2:
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Right,
I have now had these tyres for app. 2 month and as for daily use i have not found any downsides, they are excellent in the rain not noisier than other tyres i have tried and they have been used at Knutstorp race track which is a very twisty and tyredemanding track. They have also been on a roadtrip to Inters and a evening session at Donnington in 28degrees heat.
At Knutstorp the temp. was app. 20 degrees and they performed well and was very predictable in their caracter with 35psi cold front and rear. half the day the rain poored down with my Autotech rear ARB sat to medium i had four incidents where i had RWD caracter on the car and on the fifth incident i made a mistake and lost it. These incidents are down to the stiffer rear ARB rather than the tyres.
On Donington i tried going 20psi front and 18psi rear, this was way to low and i went for 40psi front and 25psi rear hot, which gave some predictable slips and made me able to haul stripped BMW's and Clio cup cars in even in the turns.
As i'm no tyre expert here are som shots of the tyres after Donington and the high pressure runs.
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I'm sticking with PS3s, I can't justify the extra cost and I'm not one for skimping on tyres either. A Golf just doesnt warrant tyres that we designed for 911 Turbos and 599 GTOs. I'm just about to replace my first full set of PS3s and whilst they've not out lasted the ContiSportContacts they replaced (Contis always seem to be hard and noisey), they are much much better tyres in every other respect.
A lot of forum waffle seems to suggest that the PSS is the replacement for the PS2 when in actual fact, the PS3 it the true successor. The PSS is a completely new, high-end tyre as the PS2 was too compromised trying to cater for GTIs and GTOs.
I'm not disputing that the PSS isn't a great tyre, all the reviews I've read suggest that they even better than the PS3, which means they must be good. For road driving though, the PS3 is more than adequate - wet grip it supposed to be massively improved over the PS2. Even Michelin state they are intended for sports car and high power saloons, so if they're good enough for an M3/M5 - it's good enough for me. For the track, I'd use something more focused and track specific i.e. the PS Cup.
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I can't disagree with your point of view, just see the PSS as 2 tyres in one, i drove from Denmark to the UK, car was on display at Revo stand Inters and the day after i went to a track day at Donington, kept up with BMW's stripped for track use and went back to Denmark, that's the tyre the PSS is. We were 3 persons including luggage for the trip, that wouldn't have been possible if i had had to bring track day tyres and extra rims in the car.
The tyre is that confident inspiring that i didn't hold back at Donington at any time, the brakes was the ones to go first, smoking like h**l and leaving deposits all over the disc :surprised:
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The PSS surely will be my next 19" road tyre when the Conti SC3 are worn.
I first had the PS2 on my GTI and I'd never buy the PS3. Like others on this
forum I'm more sports oriented and so I prefer stiffer kind of tyre providing
good steering feel (like PS2, PSS, SC 5P or P Zero).
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I will deffinately be considering a set of these when the R1R's wear out . . . . . which should not be too long the way they scrub off LOL.
Its amazing the amount of difference a tyre can make to the way the car feels
The Mk5 platform cars can feel very numb through the steering but going for a better tyre can improve this no end.
How would you compare them to the R1R's from a steering feel point of view Jake??
The R1R's make things feel much more lively on turn in, however they have a very soft sidewall and on really tight corners you can feel them rolling and letting go.
Are the sidewalls stiffer on the PSS?
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I will deffinately be considering a set of these when the R1R's wear out . . . . . which should not be too long the way they scrub off LOL.
Its amazing the amount of difference a tyre can make to the way the car feels
The Mk5 platform cars can feel very numb through the steering but going for a better tyre can improve this no end.
How would you compare them to the R1R's from a steering feel point of view Jake??
The R1R's make things feel much more lively on turn in, however they have a very soft sidewall and on really tight corners you can feel them rolling and letting go.
Are the sidewalls stiffer on the PSS?
The PSS feels stiffer, might be down to them for my feeling running 40psi front warm, they are confident giving in the corners, the dual compound rubber gives a similar grip when cornering hard as the R1R has, but after the 16 of august i will be able to better comment as i then goes on track with the R1R's. I'm no expert but i didn't held back using the PSS even though they were a "roadtyre". So for the best of both worlds this is the one. :happy2:
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I'm sticking with PS3s, I can't justify the extra cost and I'm not one for skimping on tyres either. A Golf just doesnt warrant tyres that we designed for 911 Turbos and 599 GTOs. I'm just about to replace my first full set of PS3s and whilst they've not out lasted the ContiSportContacts they replaced (Contis always seem to be hard and noisey), they are much much better tyres in every other respect.
A lot of forum waffle seems to suggest that the PSS is the replacement for the PS2 when in actual fact, the PS3 it the true successor. The PSS is a completely new, high-end tyre as the PS2 was too compromised trying to cater for GTIs and GTOs.
I'm not disputing that the PSS isn't a great tyre, all the reviews I've read suggest that they even better than the PS3, which means they must be good. For road driving though, the PS3 is more than adequate - wet grip it supposed to be massively improved over the PS2. Even Michelin state they are intended for sports car and high power saloons, so if they're good enough for an M3/M5 - it's good enough for me. For the track, I'd use something more focused and track specific i.e. the PS Cup.
I dont agree with this.
PSS tyres where designed to reduced understeer and do so brilliantly. Wet grip is massive, dry grip is massive. My TT had ps2's before the PSS and the PSS is superior in every way. PSS also costs basically the same as the ps2 from good retailers. PSS also last longer.
I read that the ps3 isnt the ps2 sucessor btw, infact iirc some pss articles mention that the pss is the ps2 sucessor and not the ps3.
On the road the pss is better than the r1r's I tried, on the track the r1r's are superior. I believe the r1r's also give better steering feel.
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Just to add, of all the TTRS owners that have had PSS fitted, we have all said it has transformed the handling, the inherent understeer is gone, the car handles pretty much neutral now.
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How much does these cost?
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I bought mine from Tyretraders.co.uk, around 1000£ for 4 shipped :wink:
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I'm sticking with PS3s, I can't justify the extra cost and I'm not one for skimping on tyres either. A Golf just doesnt warrant tyres that we designed for 911 Turbos and 599 GTOs. I'm just about to replace my first full set of PS3s and whilst they've not out lasted the ContiSportContacts they replaced (Contis always seem to be hard and noisey), they are much much better tyres in every other respect.
A lot of forum waffle seems to suggest that the PSS is the replacement for the PS2 when in actual fact, the PS3 it the true successor. The PSS is a completely new, high-end tyre as the PS2 was too compromised trying to cater for GTIs and GTOs.
I'm not disputing that the PSS isn't a great tyre, all the reviews I've read suggest that they even better than the PS3, which means they must be good. For road driving though, the PS3 is more than adequate - wet grip it supposed to be massively improved over the PS2. Even Michelin state they are intended for sports car and high power saloons, so if they're good enough for an M3/M5 - it's good enough for me. For the track, I'd use something more focused and track specific i.e. the PS Cup.
I dont agree with this.
PSS tyres where designed to reduced understeer and do so brilliantly. Wet grip is massive, dry grip is massive. My TT had ps2's before the PSS and the PSS is superior in every way. PSS also costs basically the same as the ps2 from good retailers. PSS also last longer.
I read that the ps3 isnt the ps2 sucessor btw, infact iirc some pss articles mention that the pss is the ps2 sucessor and not the ps3.
On the road the pss is better than the r1r's I tried, on the track the r1r's are superior. I believe the r1r's also give better steering feel.
This is exactly as I was told by Michelin themselves.
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I bought mine from Tyretraders.co.uk, around 1000£ for 4 shipped :wink:
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I bought mine from Tyretraders.co.uk, around 1000£ for 4 shipped :wink:
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over the last 2 years i've used more than 2700£ on tyres :grin:
I never compromise on tyres or brakes, learnt that riding motorcycles for many years :wink:
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as stated the PS3 is NOT the PS2 successor, just a shrewd marketing move by Michelin :mad:
What the PS3 is though, is an excellent all round tyre (I'm currently running PS3 all round at the moment) but PS2 they aint
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What the PS3 is though, is an excellent all round tyre
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Best all round tyre i've used on any car so far tbh! :happy2:
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I was told the PS3 is the successor to the Pilot Exalto not the PS2 as people believe. :smiley:
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I was told the PS3 is the successor to the Pilot Exalto not the PS2 as people believe. :smiley:
Yeah that is correct, even Michelin admit the same on there website :happy2:
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It's a pity they are not available in 225/40/18!! :confused:
I will stick with my Pirelli P ZERO MO. :happy2:
They are availble on my tyres in 225/40/18 as that is the size I will be getting mine in
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Ive had my pss for 9 months now, tyre tread still looks like new, my ps2's where dead in 9 months. The pss also saw track work whilst the ps2's didnt.
Yes the PSS is slightly more expensive, but they are lasting longer!
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Ive had my pss for 9 months now, tyre tread still looks like new, my ps2's where dead in 9 months. The pss also saw track work whilst the ps2's didnt.
Yes the PSS is slightly more expensive, but they are lasting longer!
As in you had both of those tyres on the TT,
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I can rate these enough, i'm off to find them in 225/40-18" as stated earlier in this tread :jumpmove: :driver:
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It's a pity they are not available in 225/40/18!! :confused:
I will stick with my Pirelli P ZERO MO. :happy2:
They are availble on my tyres in 225/40/18 as that is the size I will be getting mine in
Could you post a link to mytyre where they are, i can't find them there :sad1:
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http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/)
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I saw these on an Audi a6 the other day, seemed like a waste.
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http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/)
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Hedge i have been lookin but it doesn't look like they have the PSS in 225/40-18" :sad1:
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They don't make them.
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http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-super-sport#tab-tyres-sizes (http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-super-sport#tab-tyres-sizes)
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I was hoping they had started production of them in 18", but to no awail :sad1:
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They already do make the PSS in 225/45 R17 and 225/40 R18 in France.
But they don't sell them in Europe.
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They already do make the PSS in 225/45 R17 and 225/40 R18 in France.
But they don't sell them in Europe.
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i feel an urge to contact LaurentD for some rubber :party:
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I was looking at some of these but they're nearly £200 a corner. Think I'll be getting either PS3s of Conti 5Ps instead.
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I was looking at some of these but they're nearly £200 a corner. Think I'll be getting either PS3s of Conti 5Ps instead.
Thay are worth every penny trust me. If you do from 1 to 5 track days a year, these will save you to have a spare set of wheels for track use, and they'll outlast the PS2 by a long mile :happy2:
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ok, so can someone explain to me how the PSS can possibly outlast a PS2 or PS3 for road use ? find it hard to believe tbh
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ok, so can someone explain to me how the PSS can possibly outlast a PS2 or PS3 for road use ? find it hard to believe tbh
as title of the tread states they are treadwear 300, higher then your PS2's, the trick is the inner 80% is this treadwear and the outer 20% a very soft compound that only get's used when you give it the beans in turns. Just ask the stripped out BMW's and Stripped Clio's i passed at a track day at Donington with 3 person's in the car back in July last year how good they gripped :love:
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so treadwear
PS2 230
PSS 300
PS3 320
mmmm, these PSS get even more tempting by the minute, although I have to say Im prob going to jump ship to Continental CS5's!
given the extra miles you can get on PSS from what you guys are saying, it may work out cheaper per mile to get PSS over PS2 (even though PS2 are cheaper to buy initially)
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so treadwear
PS2 230
PSS 300
PS3 320
mmmm, these PSS get even more tempting by the minute, although I have to say Im prob going to jump ship to Continental CS5's!
given the extra miles you can get on PSS from what you guys are saying, it may work out cheaper per mile to get PSS over PS2 (even though PS2 are cheaper to buy initially)
Exactly, best part is for track use they should have normal tyre pressure :happy2:
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What's the wear rate on the SC5Ps?
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What's the wear rate on the SC5Ps?
I was looking at the SC5Ps or the Eagle Fw Assy 2s. Both seem to be top of the premiums right now
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Ive had my pss for 9 months now, tyre tread still looks like new, my ps2's where dead in 9 months. The pss also saw track work whilst the ps2's didnt.
Yes the PSS is slightly more expensive, but they are lasting longer!
As in you had both of those tyres on the TT,
Correct.
These tyres are so awesome. No understeer, massive wet grip, infact did I mention I snapped my propshaft launching the car in the wet with these tyres lol
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http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/)
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Hedge i have been lookin but it doesn't look like they have the PSS in 225/40-18" :sad1:
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=48663843.110.10106&typ=R-102411&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Herst=Michelin&Quer=40&Felge=18&Speed=W&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=110
I thought it was the above but they are the wrong ones?
Best I could find was this
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s557p69430/MICHELIN_TYRES_CAR_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPER_SPORT_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPERSPORT_-_225_45R18_(95Y)_XL_TL_/RS_GB
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These are meant to be the dogs dangleberries from the reviews ive been reading. I might need to cancel my brand loyalty to continenal and goodyear me thinks !
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http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/)
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Hedge i have been lookin but it doesn't look like they have the PSS in 225/40-18" :sad1:
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=48663843.110.10106&typ=R-102411&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Herst=Michelin&Quer=40&Felge=18&Speed=W&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=110
I thought it was the above but they are the wrong ones?
Best I could find was this
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s557p69430/MICHELIN_TYRES_CAR_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPER_SPORT_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPERSPORT_-_225_45R18_(95Y)_XL_TL_/RS_GB
They are the cup sport, they ar scrubbed down to 3mm from new, and are soft as i don't know what :wink:
Camskill ones are the right ones :happy2:
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http://www.mytyres.co.uk/ (http://www.mytyres.co.uk/)
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Hedge i have been lookin but it doesn't look like they have the PSS in 225/40-18" :sad1:
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=48663843.110.10106&typ=R-102411&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Herst=Michelin&Quer=40&Felge=18&Speed=W&weiter=0&kategorie=6&Ang_pro_Seite=15&Transport=P&dsco=110
I thought it was the above but they are the wrong ones?
Best I could find was this
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s557p69430/MICHELIN_TYRES_CAR_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPER_SPORT_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPERSPORT_-_225_45R18_(95Y)_XL_TL_/RS_GB
They are the cup sport, they ar scrubbed down to 3mm from new, and are soft as i don't know what :wink:
Camskill ones are the right ones :happy2:
But they are 225/45/R18 :wink:
They do 245/40/R18 …..will 245's cause any issues?
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m61b1912s323p69431/MICHELIN_TYRES_CAR_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPER_SPORT_MICHELIN_PILOT_SUPERSPORT_-_245_40R18_%2897Y%29_XL_TL_
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245/40 R18 are way too big on a Golf (they fit the TT, not a GTI).
Same with 225/45 R18.
http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthread.php?18046-Michelin-Pilot-Super-Sport-new-king-of-street-tires
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They have been available in 225 /40 /18 for a good while now . . . . . . in America.
They are approx $200 - $240 per corner
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That's what I said. It's crazy that Michelin makes them in France* and exports them to
the USA, but does not sell them in the EU (at least not in Germany, Denmark or the UK).
:stupid: :laugh: :drool: :scared: :drool: :laugh: :stupid:
*look at Tirerack for tyre provenience depending on size
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I still don't understand that we have 2 treads about these tyres in the products reviews section, should'nt we keep all the info in one tread? :happy2: