MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: tony_danza on March 18, 2011, 02:02:19 pm
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What's the dealio? Why are the all being dumped off TTRSs like they've got herpes? The recipe seems ok:
2-piece 370mm disc - check.
4 pot Brembo caliper - check.
I had 4-pots on 343mm discs, the VWR set up has them on 360mm discs - both are stop-after-stop smash your face in powerful. Even my French sh!tbox on 4-pots and 312s will go all day on track and at 1200kgs, it isn't night and day lighter than the TTRS....
So what have Audi done wrong? Surely there must be a fix here and a great set of stoppers from a bargain panic sell?
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Probably because they dont say Brembo AP Racing or Alcon on them?
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Mine are cracking. well happy with them. Stop me with minimum fuss very quickly! The only upgrade I will be making is pads, as and when the time comes.
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Seems they are only selling the calipers and pads. :confused:
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I can't get onto Johnny's thread to see what he's done with his, any ideas?
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I can't get onto Johnny's thread to see what he's done with his, any ideas?
not sure, but some are going RS4 8Pots. Disc 390mm
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LOL - Who has the biggest competition...?
Sure he's on 18s, so they can't be following him. Just interested to see what the perceived 'weak' point is.
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It seems from his thread he is just doing two identical project cars so might not be anything wrong with them just not bespoke! He is obviously keeping the discs for some reason.
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I think there is a bit of something going on over at VAGOC. Many are anticipating a 500/600hp BT upgrade sometime soon :evilgrin:
I know JKM fitted a set of bigger brakes on a TTRS a little while back.
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Aye, it's not really why Poverty is selling his, more why the vibe coming from some owners is: the brakes are no good. Are they no good as they are, or no good for a 500HP BT car.
Just curious really.
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I know JKM fitted a set of bigger brakes on a TTRS a little while back.
I think they fitted RS6 brakes to the guys TT-RS. :surprised:
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LOL...
*slaps forehead.
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http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=27477&id=150370161670431
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ttrs in soft top version is just GAY! (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fturninggay.gif&hash=27a4f4793b856eaa4ed88e0f79d87a0161dfcb2e) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fhomoswitch.gif&hash=1ef8a924a0a4b7ae5beff68f89dfcd7275a203a6) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
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ttrs in soft top version is just GAY! (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fturninggay.gif&hash=27a4f4793b856eaa4ed88e0f79d87a0161dfcb2e) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fhomoswitch.gif&hash=1ef8a924a0a4b7ae5beff68f89dfcd7275a203a6) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
Ok, I'm Gay then cause I'd have one if it was given to me :evilgrin:
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Talking of gay, I'm sure I saw someone driving a 911 soft top with pink seats..... :signLOL:
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ttrs in soft top version is just GAY! (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fturninggay.gif&hash=27a4f4793b856eaa4ed88e0f79d87a0161dfcb2e) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogproductshop.co.uk%2Fsmile%2Fadult%2Fhomoswitch.gif&hash=1ef8a924a0a4b7ae5beff68f89dfcd7275a203a6) (http://www.dogproductshop.co.uk)
Ok, I'm Gay then cause I'd have one if it was given to me :evilgrin:
You are only gay if you push back, apparently. :surprised:
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Mule had the 390mm brakes fitted last spring to his TTRS before we went to the RING:
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Was it a white one Tony?
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Ok, I'm Gay then cause I'd have one if it was given to me :evilgrin:
so would i, but then id sell it and buy a hard top! :P
Talking of gay, I'm sure I saw someone driving a 911 soft top with pink seats..... :signLOL:
:booty: :booty: :booty:
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And the question that everyone wants to know the answer to.
Will they fit behind 18" Pescara's? :wink:
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Was it a white one Tony?
LOL, you're on it...
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From what they are saying once u up the power they are shocking ie they don't stop you :rolleye:
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And the question that everyone wants to know the answer to.
Will they fit behind 18" Pescara's? :wink:
:signLOL:
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Discs are the cheap versions like the rs4 2 piece discs, both are not directional and only have the one part number. 370mm disc is just daft in mho
8pots are popular.
There's no doubt theyll need to do something with 500bhp in a slippery shape around 1400kg with loose talk of 600bhp
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Two reasons lads.
1. Doing it for looks/show
2. All the people that have sold the OEM setup are going for big power for track duty so will need somthing a bit bigger
A tuned TTRS will be going quite a bit quicker down the back straight of a track than a stage 2 plus eddy, and we are heavy, so brakes have a good task on their hands. They are fine at 360 - 400hp, a good improvement over the 345mm setup and lighter.
They would be the danglies on the lighter golf imo.
Dave Im gonna get two sets of pagid RS29's off you!
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Discs are the cheap versions like the rs4 2 piece discs, both are not directional and only have the one part number. 370mm disc is just daft in mho
8pots are popular.
There's no doubt theyll need to do something with 500bhp in a slippery shape around 1400kg with loose talk of 600bhp
Why Dave?
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At Oulton track day Tom's standard set up was plenty good enough, and it's harsh on the brakes their, he was braking earlier than me, but i was testing mine to the limit, but also Tom was approaching a lot faster than me. As Pov says once the power is upped to around 500bhp, then they might be not be enough then.
Also you have to factor in that they are hanging round on forums, and weather we admit it or not most people read the same thing over and start believing it as gospel. + if your into modding your motor it doesn't mean you will stop just because it's worth 50k. Each to their own and all that. I would do if i was in that league. :driver:
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At Oulton track day Tom's standard set up was plenty good enough, and it's harsh on the brakes their, he was braking earlier than me, but i was testing mine to the limit, but also Tom was approaching a lot faster than me. As Pov says once the power is upped to around 500bhp, then they might be not be enough then.
Also you have to factor in that they are hanging round on forums, and weather we admit it or not most people read the same thing over and start believing it as gospel. + if your into modding your motor it doesn't mean you will stop just because it's worth 50k. Each to their own and all that. I would do if i was in that league. :driver:
Happy Tom. My Question was as to the Generic nature. I am honestly very impressed by the anchors, and previously as posted have been less than impressed by Ed30 brakes.
as posted, Pads will be an addition should I ever map the car.
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At Oulton track day Tom's standard set up was plenty good enough, and it's harsh on the brakes their, he was braking earlier than me, but i was testing mine to the limit, but also Tom was approaching a lot faster than me. As Pov says once the power is upped to around 500bhp, then they might be not be enough then.
Also you have to factor in that they are hanging round on forums, and weather we admit it or not most people read the same thing over and start believing it as gospel. + if your into modding your motor it doesn't mean you will stop just because it's worth 50k. Each to their own and all that. I would do if i was in that league. :driver:
Happy Tom. My Question was as to the Generic nature. I am honestly very impressed by the anchors, and previously as posted have been less than impressed by Ed30 brakes.
as posted, Pads will be an addition should I ever map the car.
Jump in with Tom at the ring, you will see how capable it is on track in standard form. I would like to have a go in a mapped one as it must be mental, in standard form the power is so smooth.
( think i need to stop talking about these cars. Going to end up with a bank loan at this rate. :scared: )
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Top Cat, I can say that a mapped TTRS is MENTAL!! Pov came to meet me at work the other day with a mate and I went out in the TTRS which is just mapped (Revo Stage 1 and Forge Intercooler) and you see the expresion stuck in your seat... I was Glued!!! :driver:
They standard Brakes don't really do the Car justice.. If I had this Car I'd be getting the RS4's :happy2:! And, I thought that was fast.. Pov's is supposed to be a lot faster so he will defo be needing the bigger set up!! Quicker than a 4.2 R8 EASY :surprised:! Not sure bou the V10 :confused:??
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The v10 will be mince meat once I slap on a new turbo :laugh:
Like tomcat has said forum trends dont help, and TBH a few of the guys who have changed the brakes have done so simply because they can. Some of the TTRS owners have too much money and can just throw bits at it all willy nilly, whilst the roadster owner and myself are slowly getting the car ready for the ring and for shows!
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Discs are the cheap versions like the rs4 2 piece discs, both are not directional and only have the one part number. 370mm disc is just daft in mho
8pots are popular.
There's no doubt theyll need to do something with 500bhp in a slippery shape around 1400kg with loose talk of 600bhp
Why Dave?
Its a little overkill imvho dave, granted the car needed some braking vavva voom over the S3 setup but compare the discs to a hardy 360-365mm R8/RS6/B5 RS4 semi floater made by zimmerman stopping a 2.5 tonne barge and the newer TTRS design seems OTT and apparently somewhat lacking (admittedly anecdotally)
The non directional discs would seem to achilles heal the arrangement, maybe better would of been the R8 Rear setup (356mmx32 / 4 pots 38/42mm pistons) which is used on the scirroco cup cars in the less homologated pacific rim race series. The TTRS disc is a new design, they go to great lengths to try to keep the weight down and then hog tie one side my making them non directional
Having said that its only track work which seems to find the apparent shortcomings, fine on the road which at the end of the day is what it is.... a road car albeit a very fast one even in std guise
Maybe they wanted some daylight between the S3 setup and the TTRS, but you would have thought going 4 pots would have ticked that box
Note copious use of anecdotally/maybe/apparent words. Having said that if you've just deployed 40k in to a new motor and £1000 for a remap and £6-7000 on a new turbo - if there is doubt ....there is no doubt
The jury is till out on them when mapped or tracking, Ive been asked to look at brakes for two TTRS's now and in both cases the disc size is coming down not up.
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Cheers mate. As I have said, above the S3 variants (which my Roc R had) they are fantastic, and can stand the thing on its nose fairly well.
As said, My car is not mapped, so can't comment on that, however with Revo stage 1 giving figures of 410 Bhp, and torque of 400+Lbsft, i can see the need.
http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=show_news&id_nws=40 (http://www.revotechnik.com/index.php?mod=show_news&id_nws=40)
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Dave you mentioned the ttrs is heavy above....is it much so more than a mk5?
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Dave you mentioned the ttrs is heavy above....is it much so more than a mk5?
Not me mate. Certainly does not feel heavy. Having never been one for all that specification stuff........ Apart from the Startling REVO stats above............
TTRS = 1450kg MK5GTI=?
Some interesting brake weights
brakes per side inc disk/caliper/carrier
tt 312mm 14.5kg
tts 340mm 20kg
s3/r32 345mm 21.4kg
ttrs 370mm 17kg
rs6 390mm 21.5kg
b7 RS4 8pot caliper with ttrs 370 disks 17.5kg
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'Bout 80-100kilos more than a manual GTI, Dave.
Seems to me if you've got a 50k car you're not shy of chucking money at to make it faster, you're mad not to go and buy a proper brake kit from the likes of AP/Alcon/other.
In the mean time, I'd have the splash guards off and run some ducting in there. I bet you'd increase performance by a significant amount keeping the discs cooler.
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wander if those 70mm TTRS brakes would fit the fabia :grin: :grin: their bigger than the wheels, prob double the weight of the standard milk bottle lids as well
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'Bout 80-100kilos more than a manual GTI, Dave.
Seems to me if you've got a 50k car you're not shy of chucking money at to make it faster, you're mad not to go and buy a proper brake kit from the likes of AP/Alcon/other.
In the mean time, I'd have the splash guards off and run some ducting in there. I bet you'd increase performance by a significant amount keeping the discs cooler.
Suppose the extra pot is about 80kg then...................Sport button must be made of Lead too!
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LOL - 4WD. Pretty sure a MK5 is about 1320kg.
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LOL - 4WD. Pretty sure a MK5 is about 1320kg.
Yes that is what I thought too.
The sometimes 2wd/4wd is really quite good, but not the same as the real Quattro....................
Mine must have 10kg's of wax on now too!
I also do find it hard not to use the sport button...............
Back to brakes, I think I would try some ducting/pads before spending loads, IF i needed the extra. Not that I do at the mo.................
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My TTRs with a quarter tank and me inside weighs 1518kg. I'm fairly light at about 60-65kg.
Bens ed30 was over 100kg lighter than my TT don't know how much fuel he had in the car, this figure is minus driver.
Dave would getting the rear r8 discs ad sticking them on the back of my TT be beneficial?
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My TTRs with a quarter tank and me inside weighs 1518kg. I'm fairly light at about 60-65kg.
Bens ed30 was over 100kg lighter than my TT don't know how much fuel he had in the car, this figure is minus driver.
Dave would getting the rear r8 discs ad sticking them on the back of my TT be beneficial?
I think he meant on the front of the TTRS. also fitting the R8 rears at the back means you need 2 calipers at the back as the handbrake function is seperate on the R8 :wink:
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My TTRs with a quarter tank and me inside weighs 1518kg. I'm fairly light at about 60-65kg.
Bens ed30 was over 100kg lighter than my TT don't know how much fuel he had in the car, this figure is minus driver.
Dave would getting the rear r8 discs ad sticking them on the back of my TT be beneficial?
Hi pov, no but sticking them on your front would be....
The problem with the existing oem provided discs from the RS cars is that they are not tall enough which means wheel spacers, by going two piece I can use the bell I made for the R8 rear conversion onto the 362mm disc plus another 4mm and bury it basically. This means a whole load of different calipers can be used such as the oem stuff (8pots) or for similar money some ap pro5000 calipers anything really that uses a 54mm pad
Once 2 piece people can choose between floating or bolted arrangements
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Heard Johnnyc was selling his brakes on his ttrs because he is putting twin turbo's on his motor and the brakes weren't up to the job
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Heard Johnnyc was selling his brakes on his ttrs because he is putting twin turbo's on his motor and the brakes weren't up to the job
Oh really :wink:
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Tom said recently that after the track day he needs new discs and pads :confused:
God knows!?
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The plot thickens. :popcornsoda:
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Heard Johnnyc was selling his brakes on his ttrs because he is putting twin turbo's on his motor and the brakes weren't up to the job
Oh really :wink:
twinturbos :surprised:
he'll sell up before then :grin:
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It's amusing how all the different rumours of what jonny is doing or has done to his car are flying around
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Who cares :signLOL:
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It's amusing how all the different rumours of what jonny is doing or has done to his car are flying around
like chinese whispers :signLOL:
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It's amusing how all the different rumours of what jonny is doing or has done to his car are flying around
like chinese whispers :signLOL:
Thats exactly what its like. Apparently hes had 3 turbos and 2 gearboxes aswell :signLOL:
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i heard hes the stig,
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i heard hes the stig,
Some say he's good but not that good :laugh:
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i heard hes the stig,
Some say he's good but not that good :laugh:
Sounds like hes got as much money as the stig. :grin:
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the stig hasnt got his money thats why he sold his story :grin:
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Ohhhh you guyyyysssss..
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Sshhhh, sshhhhh hes listening in
some say, hes got ears on every forum...
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