MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Technical Workshop => Topic started by: gtlee on May 08, 2011, 11:26:20 pm
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Hi all,
I've been reading up the above subject on this forum and getting an itch to try this mod out.
My car is an 08 TDi DSG which I have retrofitted (with the aid of this forum) MK6 MFSW with paddles, RNS510C VIM,Criuse control and Gti DSG gear knob.
Scanned my car with vcds and it shows that I have a instrument cluster part no.1K0 920 964 B from that would a highline cluster ending in the last three digits 974 B be the correct one to use if I can find one on fleabay?
Gtlee. :happy2: :happy2:
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Anyone?
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Yes thats the correct one there is a thread sitckied in one of the technical sections about the difference and as you say 964 becomes 974, problem you are going to have is coding as you need someone with VAS so shark performance or VW dealer to code the immobiliser.
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I thought DSG cars had highline as standard?
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Nope, only on R32 was this the case.
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Thanks for the confirmation Rich,it just when I ordered the car the stupid sales guy said it was a waste of money for the full highline cluster than the midline I have now,if only I had done my homework first.
I'll have a look on fleabay don't see much chance as some of the guys here says its like looking for rocking horse poo!
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They are rather rare in the UK due to exactly the c*ap sales patter you got, it certianly isn't rubbish for £50 as I believe it was! you will find some mph ones on German ebay but the best location is US ebay as they fitted it to the GTi and GLi and they seem to have a fair amount of highlines knocking about must have been more of a standard fit item. Only difficulty is finding a company prepared to ship out of the states, or you need to know someone prepared to ship it on to you internationally. You still have the coding issue with your 974.
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Rich,
Had a good look on the us ebay site but to no avail no part no.974B plus none on the German site too,it seems rocking horse poo scenario.
I was gonna get if possible the guys from Hazzydaz or Shark to pull the SKC from both clusters and if I'm correct code it up myself with Vdcs????
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Unless you get a brand new unit you will need them to write the code and mileage as well, also dont think Hazydays will do anything that they dont supply, shark might.
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found this set of 973 ones might be worth looking into if they will work.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-R32-Speedo-Instrument-Cluster-23-371mi-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f09be82bbQQitemZ270746419899QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-R32-Speedo-Instrument-Cluster-23-371mi-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f09be82bbQQitemZ270746419899QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
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found this set of 973 ones might be worth looking into if they will work.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-R32-Speedo-Instrument-Cluster-23-371mi-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f09be82bbQQitemZ270746419899QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MK5-GTI-GLI-R32-Speedo-Instrument-Cluster-23-371mi-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3f09be82bbQQitemZ270746419899QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
Excuse my ignorance but am I not looking for 974B would the above one work even though mines a TDi with the lower rev limit?
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Thanks for the link Rich, I need an 973.
Have now emailed the seller.
OP - you MUST get a 974. I was in Shark Performance and discussed this with Ben last week, he said he cannot decode immobiliser codes with different numbers.
Sorry dude.
Matt
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Actually, I haven't.
It seems that Ebay User doesnt have questions enabled or something. I can't send one - ebay wont let me!
Matt
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Raging, its probably because you arent an american registered user you can add a US address and then you can do more things.
GTlee if you dont have GTI then go for this one from UK seller its the right model apart from the foil on the rev counter which you can swop from your clusters or just live with the fact that the redline is out.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-1-4-TSI-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-CLOCKS-/110587796217?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bf8bdaf9#ht_2134wt_830 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-1-4-TSI-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-CLOCKS-/110587796217?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bf8bdaf9#ht_2134wt_830)
Its only GTI clusters with the recessed silver plastic which are hard to find in the UK so I went to USA.
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Thanks for the link Rich, I need an 973.
Have now emailed the seller.
OP - you MUST get a 974. I was in Shark Performance and discussed this with Ben last week, he said he cannot decode immobiliser codes with different numbers.
Sorry dude.
Matt
Cheers for the input. :happy2: :happy2:
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Raging, its probably because you arent an american registered user you can add a US address and then you can do more things.
GTlee if you dont have GTI then go for this one from UK seller its the right model apart from the foil on the rev counter which you can swop from your clusters or just live with the fact that the redline is out.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-1-4-TSI-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-CLOCKS-/110587796217?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bf8bdaf9#ht_2134wt_830 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-1-4-TSI-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-CLOCKS-/110587796217?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bf8bdaf9#ht_2134wt_830)
Its only GTI clusters with the recessed silver plastic which are hard to find in the UK so I went to USA.
Thanks again Rich,does the letter make any difference as mine ends with a B rather the above item an A?
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That will likely determine things like the rev range so difference between petrol and diesel as this one comes out of a 1.4TSI but for instance MorttyGTTDI runs R32 cluster on his sootchucker everything else will work but obviously you wont have till the red line available in revs so you can change the foil (disc that goes under the needle) very easily from your old cluster.
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Rich,
Thanks for the info but I prefer to have an soot chucker rev counter to keep it oem if you like. :grin:
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AS said you can just change the foil from your old clocks, the dial is a piece of plastic stuck on the front, that is the only difference, the revs will show correctly as the unit receives the number of revs as a signal from the ECU, its a 5 minute job to switch them over.
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Great info Rich :happy2:
You can tell you've been swotting up :grin:
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Great info Rich :happy2:
You can tell you've been swotting up :grin:
Yep sure have with a bit of help from you and previously darren :drinking:, my friend in New York finally posted my clocks out end of last week so will be in touch shortly :jumpmove:
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UPDATE
Got hold of an 974B cluster from fleabay so on the phone to Shark performance spoke to Ben and was told he can't decode the 974 clocks............ :sad1: :sad1: :sad1, bummer all that for F-all!!
So any ideas as to what to do next?? :sad1:
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:surprised: I thought he could do them all as in he had a VAS system, have you tried the other guys listed in the sitckied highline thread hazydays etc see if they can code and how much?
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Just emailed hazzydaz and spoke to Ricthersport,still waiting for reply email from hazzydaz and phone call from ricthersport. :jumping:
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Still no phone call or email? :sad1:
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ive got the GTI/R32 cluster in my 1.9 tdi, i got it for the US as they are very common over there the biggest thing to remember is it will take about 2 weeks to turn up and you the post man will put a letter thro your door saying they have a parcel and you have to phone up and pay TAX on it before they will deliever it
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UPDATE:
Right finally took the plunge to get the highline fitted as you all know I purchased a 974 B clocks from fleabay and been having trouble getting anyone to extract the SKC codes from the 2 clusters.
My old cluster was no problem as the SKC was pulled from OBD but the "New" cluster was not going to play ball so the only option was to "On the bench extraction".
Both SKC extracted the simply case of transfering mileage and service data over.
Enabled Navigation on FIS and everythings is working as it should.
Well chuffed with this mod but got the bug ........RVC,............Bluetooth???? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi434.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq68%2Fgtlee88%2F039.jpg&hash=66f9133e04a666aeada2fa648c471a536f6eefbf)
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Glad to hear your all sorted mate :happy2:
Who did the 'extraction' on the 974??
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Well everything fine until I tried the buttons onthe left hand of the steering wheel,with the Nav and audio enabled on the FIS the buttons that normally work (that is the mute,up and down tracks) don't NOW!!
Had a play with VCDS and it seems that either you have Full FIS with Nav and audio or no button control on one side of the steering wheel??????
Anybody have a clue.
BTW I have an mk6 mfsw with cruise and rns-510 :confused: :confused:
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Glad to hear your all sorted mate :happy2:
Who did the 'extraction' on the 974??
The guy who coded my clocks is the new member on here called Kalu,can't fault him at all and watching him work with vcds was amazing.
Highly recommended,top man! :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
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Spent more time on the lappy with vcds checking and unchecking some boxes on Nav module and rebooting the Rns 510 after each change and finally got the buttons on the mfsw to work.
Instead of lefthandside buttons for changing tracks the rightside buttons do that now,mute and volume works as before.
So end of the day most of the buttons work now shame can't get the source buttons to play ball too,well chuffed got this mod 95% working. :grin:
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Which settngs were you messing around with Lee to get buttons working? Still havent been able to make my RNS react to my skip buttons despite being in the audio menu :ashamed: (I havent tried much beyond short press button on or off) what coding have you got on your steering RNS and cluster.
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Rich,
I have the MK6 MFSW on mine not sure which you have but in Vcds I played around the Navigation where there were only 3 main boxes to tick and untick all the while after each change I rebooted the RNS 510,long winded approach but it seems to work.
I'll have a look at the coding for you Rich, BTW I like your strip down of the "US" cluster.
lee
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cheers Lee the damage and wrong units was bugging me :signLOL: looks 100% better now. I only have new style MK5 buttons so you would have thought they would work will have a look at the coding again.
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Rich,
Any luck with buttons?
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Rich,
Any luck with buttons?
Hi Lee, I had another play with the coding and oddly enough by coding in the radio rather than navigation it now works! I had short press buttons ticked whihc I had assumed was steering buttons but apparently not turning it off has worked.
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Well everything fine until I tried the buttons onthe left hand of the steering wheel,with the Nav and audio enabled on the FIS the buttons that normally work (that is the mute,up and down tracks) don't NOW!!
Had a play with VCDS and it seems that either you have Full FIS with Nav and audio or no button control on one side of the steering wheel??????
Anybody have a clue.
BTW I have an mk6 mfsw with cruise and rns-510 :confused: :confused:
The issue is caused due to the RNS C version with star button and the older style cluster with red highline
to get it all working would require white highline and BAP enabled on the RNS
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Good info Eddie,i thought the mk 5 don't use BAP protocol only the mk6?
Pardon my ignorance bud. :happy2:
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Good info Eddie,i thought the mk 5 don't use BAP protocol only the mk6?
Pardon my ignorance bud. :happy2:
I think thats the point Eddie is making for all the MK6 buttons to work with the RNS you need BAP enabled and that means a BAP cluster so for the MK5 that would mean a scirocco or Jetta cluster otherewise the BAP will lock up the highline. :happy2:
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the newer clusters with white & Colour highline use BAP
If you enable BAP on your RNS the change track will work, but you will lose the AUDIO and NAV options in the highline
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Rich,
Any luck with buttons?
Hi Lee, I had another play with the coding and oddly enough by coding in the radio rather than navigation it now works! I had short press buttons ticked whihc I had assumed was steering buttons but apparently not turning it off has worked.
Good news Rich happy for you,i know what its like having done a mod and it goes tits up.
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the newer clusters with white & Colour highline use BAP
If you enable BAP on your RNS the change track will work, but you will lose the AUDIO and NAV options in the highline
Thats what was going on ,as I disabled BAP I had no changing tracks buttons on the left hand buttons and vice versa as your post.
Same I hadn't known this otherwise I may of gone for the rocco or jetta clocks instead. :laugh: