MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: CHdriver on May 22, 2011, 10:07:54 am
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I have just retrofited a DAB RCD510 into a Mk5 GT Sport and although there is a lot of help in various forums, there isn't anything in one place, so I thought I would give back to the VW Golf community
1. Removing the dash of Mk5 Golf – RCD300 - use this great link:
http://www.jonathansblog.net/volkswagen_vw_xcarlink_ipod_adaptor_rcd_300_radio_remove (http://www.jonathansblog.net/volkswagen_vw_xcarlink_ipod_adaptor_rcd_300_radio_remove)
2. If you have an AUX or an external CD changer you need to alter the pins according to the linked instructions. Note that the diagrams in the instructions are from the back, i.e. in the real world you cannot see as clearly because the wires are going into the plugs in front of you. Plug B is Blue, and can be unclipped from the mount. Within the blue plug is a black honeycomb insert which slides out of the blue holder. Use a small precision screw driver to push down the pins through the opening on the top of the honeycomb while pulling on the relevant wire. No special tools are needed.
http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=602167 (http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=602167) It downloads a PDF file, save the file locally to view the instructions.
3. Changing the aerial for a DAB/FM combined aerial. First remove headlining, use these instructions:
http://www.golfmkv.net/blog/archives/29# (http://www.golfmkv.net/blog/archives/29#)
You don't need to remove the grab handles, there is enough room to change the aerial with just the C pillar trim loosened and the trim across the middle removed.
I installed a combined DAB/FM bee sting aerial to replace the bee sting my late 2008 Golf GT Sport came with. I installed a JVC HAL2, however there are other options. The JVC aerial is slightly more upright than the original VW aerial, in hindsight I should have check the angle of the aerial as it now catches on the garage door.
Below is a link to the various aerial options
http://www.dabonwheels.co.uk/DAB_car_aerials.html (http://www.dabonwheels.co.uk/DAB_car_aerials.html)
All the external mounted aerials seem to have the same connectors.
The DAB cable has a SMB Female connector, which does fit the RCD510 DAB input, although it doesn’t look like it. Just line it up and inset the plug, it’s a tight fit but fits perfectly.
The FM cable is the problem, the aerials are supplied with a Hirschmann (aka M 10 x 0.75 male connector). [I have subsequently found that the Blaupunkt Shark Line A-RD T 01-M may have the correct Fakra connection to the FM cable.]
There doesn’t seem to be a converter to change the Hirschmann connection to a male fakra (white) connection, i.e. you need a connector with female Hirschmann to a male Fakra. You can convert the Hirschmann to a male DIN , but then all the female DIN to Fakra connectors terminate in a female Fakra.
Car coaxial cable is very similar in construction to a coaxial cable in your home, but smaller diameter. I cut off the Hirschmann connector from the JVC aerial and cut off the original Frakra connection from the VW aerial as close to the aerial as possible so I had as much coaxial cable to work with as possible and spliced them together, making sure I secured the splice with black insulating tape.
The aerial requires 12Vpower, but I think the RCD10 provides the power via the coaxial, so I didn’t connect the 12v power lead from the JVC aerial to anything. I have great FM and DAB reception, but no longer have any AM reception, I don’t know if that is because the aerial is not getting enough power, or the splice. If you are installing an RCD510 without DAB you shouldn't have this problem because you don't need to change the aerial and therefore your AM reception should be unchanged. As I now have DAB it doesn't matter that AM doesn't work.
I routed the DAB cable down the C pillar and under the plastic trim between the doors and the carpet to the glovebox, and then behind the glovebox into the space where the radio is stored. The trim is easy to remove and replace. I used a wire coat hanger to drop the cable down the C pillar and then to go behind the glove box. Just push the straightened coat hanger through were you want the cable to go, attach the DAB cable to the coat hanger wire with masking tape and pull the coat hanger back though. Apart from putting the screws back in the C pillar (which is a nightmare if you drop them) the cable routing takes about 10 mins.
The RCD510 has 2 FM inputs the same as the RCD300, but in a slightly different configuration, so you need an adapter
http://www.my-gti.com/1088/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rns-510-rcd-510-antenna-adapter (http://www.my-gti.com/1088/upgrading-2nd-generation-radios-rcd-300-rcd-500-to-3rd-generation-rcd-210-rcd-310-rns-310-rns-510-rcd-510-antenna-adapter)
The connectors are about £30 from VW direct or £20 from ebay.
Once the aerials are connected, check the radio works before pushing it back into place and replacing the trim. The radio will require a 4 digit code if it is going into a new car.
I don’t have steering controls or a more sophisticated dashboard display than the standard spec, so the radio now works fine.
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will this update work if you have an RNS510 and replace the aerial? or do you need a new head unit too?
i had a mk6 courtessy car from the stealers this week which had DAB radio in the head unit....i need this in my life! :rolleye:
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Im lloking at fitting an RNS510, so this post should be proper helpful ;)
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Re DAB fitment
the dab aerial base is 1K0 035 501H £72 (has fm,dab,gsm,navi)
the aerial mast to fit base 1K0 035 849 £15
diversity fm aerial adaptor 7L6 051 551 £24
dab aerial adaptor 000 098 710A £13
4m aerial cable 000 098 654 A £17
VW prices
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thanks for this , been looking for a dab aerial , got one in the end :happy2:
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the aerial base is very similar to the blaupunkt product
http://www.bluespot.co.uk/car-audio.aspx/am-fm-dab-roof-aerial
however the vag model does not have an independant 12v supply, where as the blaupunkt one does.
the standard colour for dab fakra plugs is black
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Hi,
Thanks for all the info on this, i have a 2008 GTI i have just fitted an RCD 510 with DAB..... but i dont have an aerial.
I have found this aerial http://www.dabonwheels.co.uk/Hirschmann_AUTA_16_V_DAB_DAB_car_aerial.html (http://www.dabonwheels.co.uk/Hirschmann_AUTA_16_V_DAB_DAB_car_aerial.html) would this be ok for the job??? also i realise that the RCD 510 has 2 inputs for FM/AM. all the dab aerials i have looked at only have 1 connection for FM/AM.... how do you get round this??
any help you can give would be great.
Hope this makes sensor. :confused:
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just get
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RNS510-MFD3-RADIO-ANTENNA-ADAPTER-FM-VW-Fakra-RCD510-310-/250900319680?pt=UK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET&hash=item3a6ad30dc0
and that aerial is fine.
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There are other problems which you should know about:-
The RNS-510 when installed by VW is programed with a code to say which car it is going in. This code then changes the rom data so that it can be controlled by MFSW. Hence if the RNS came from another type of car it will new the code changing for the MFSW to work.
I know this because I got one from Ebay and the only controlls on the MFSW that work are volume up/down
I need to find a garage that has RNS Manager so that they can change the code. There is another method where you change two files in the ROM update which I have not tried yet as I dont want to brick my unit.
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what is you location
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what is you location
Eddie , will becontacting you regards a new gateway and fitting.
Its a long distance, but I want this problem sorted
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what is you location
Eddie , will becontacting you regards a new gateway and fitting.
Its a long distance, but I want this problem sorted
Hi
send me a PM when you are ready
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thanks for this , been looking for a dab aerial , got one in the end :happy2:
Mr Demon, with the aerial that you fitted, do both your ANT1 and ANT2 show as on for am/fm and your ANT1 for DAB with a Q status as well? I'm in the process of test fitting mine and with the standard antenna connected to DAB only, I get ANT1 on but Q: Mute - I don't know if I have to switch on phantom power in the HU or if it should already be on.
Cheers
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I guess the Q I have is how do you get an aftermarket aerial to function with Diversity.
Ta
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I have just replaced an RCD 300 with a DAB 510 in my 2008 MK5 GT Sport 170.
Firstly, the links and info in the initial post are spot on. - Thank very much.
Additional thoughts and findings:
Tools:
In addition, or to emphasise the importance of, those mentioned in the article and links:
Trim removal tools are essential.
You need a screw driver with changeable bits to remove the C pillar Torx T25 top screw- a socket set is too large to fit the 'airbag hole'
Inspection mirror - for the connections to the aerial at the rear of the car.
Torch - to look at the mirror!
Finally a real nice to have - An ipad, laptop (or similar) with all the web pages stored so that you can view as you go. - very very useful.
The job:
The RCD 300 is a snug fit coming out and the RCD 510 is equally hard to refit.
Note - I did not have any aux or bluetooth equipment. If you have these you MUST carry out the pin swaps as detailed here:
http://www.my-gti.com/1328
and here:
http://www.my-gti.com/1336
Somewhere on the internet there is a copy of VW's own instructions for fitting 3rd generation radios in place of 2nd generation. This also details the pin changes required.
I purchased an adapter harness from ebay for the AM & FM aerial cables:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180804978211?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_1074wt_215
The twin socket would only fit to the radio body in one sense but the tails would fit to either cable. I ensured that the cables were in the same order as on the RCD 300 and everything appears to work. :wink:
I chose to fit the Blaupunkt A-RD T 01-M available here:
http://www.bluespot.co.uk/car-audio.aspx/am-fm-dab-roof-aerial
Note: This is a full installation kit including all the wires and fittings you will need (VHF, DAB, and 12V are included - I only used the DAB aerial lead as the rest are not required or are already in the car) As such it is very good value for money.
I was not sure whether I would have to run a separate 12V supply to the aerial but I connected it up to the radio with the dash in bits and this proved it not be required. I understand that VW run 12V down the coax sheathing and this obviously powers the amps in the Blaupunkt aerial base.
The aerial cable that comes with the Blaupunkt has a Fakra connection on one end and a straight mini coax metal connector on the other. I pushed the metal connector into the RCD 510 DAB socket - a perfect, tight, fit and used the Fakra at the aerial end.
As I say, I connected up the new aerial at various stages to check for functionality (don't forget to screw the mast on for these tests) :happy2:
I routed the aerial wire as described (working from front to back so that I could test with the aerial as necessary). - It was plenty long enough.
Take your time with the work to fit the aerial under the headlining and clean your hands first!
When removing the plastic trim across the back of the headlining make sure you have all the metal clips as the end ones tend to stay in the roof - they are easy to retrieve from the body and refit.
It is hard to remove the white socket that connects the original aerial lead to the cars internal wiring. The two sockets are held to the car by a clip - this is where the inspection mirror and torch come in really handy.
I found it necessary to slightly reroute the car's aerial lead so that it would meet the VHF lead from the aerial - it does it but only just. (VW/Audi do sell extension leads in varying lengths)
The radio came with its code and this was input on initial start up.
The radio is now fully functioning - FM, AM, DAB and CD. The sound quality is so much better than the RCD 300. I live in a very poor area for DAB (My DAB radios in my house struggle) and the DAB sound quality driving around is excellent. (The 12V feed to the aerial would appear to not be required.)
So how much did all this cost?
RCD 510 DAB £260 + £20 p&p from ebay
Aerial adapter £12.99 + £1.50 p&p from ebay
Blaupunkt DAB aerial (as listed above) £89.99 incl p&p
Total £384.48
and.....
An afternoon of head scratching.
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Evening all,
Ive changed my RCD500 to RCD510 today and found that my Parrot ck3100 is no longer muting the radio and I can't hear the other person. They can hear me fine though. Ive tried resetting the Parrot with no luck. Im guessing Im gonna have to change one of the pin assignments on the back of the connector block? Anyone done this at all?
Thanks in advance.
With some googling it seems the pin assignments are different and need changing, phone mute and speakers.
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I used AFAR dab aerial with SMB connection, and it works very well with DAB RCD 510 and cost me only £23
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Have you got a link to what you got please? Is it combined AM/FM/DAB?
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Probably an obvious question but what is required in terms of the CANBUS for this RCD300 to RCD510 swap?.
Just picked up a DAB 510 and it's going into my March 07 Golf, from what I can see it may need an upgrade on the CANBUS but how do you know for sure?
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very useful read... bookmarked :)
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Top thread really really helpful :)
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The aerial requires 12Vpower, but I think the RCD10 provides the power via the coaxial, so I didn’t connect the 12v power lead from the JVC aerial to anything. I have great FM and DAB reception, but no longer have any AM reception, I don’t know if that is because the aerial is not getting enough power, or the splice. If you are installing an RCD510 without DAB you shouldn't have this problem because you don't need to change the aerial and therefore your AM reception should be unchanged. As I now have DAB it doesn't matter that AM doesn't work.
Only just noticed this post. You are not getting AM because the JVC aerial is not capable of accepting power via the coaxial cable. Thus your FM & DAB reception are not as good as they ought to either. For the HAL-2 to work properly, the power cable MUST be connected to +12V. Thanks, dabonwheels
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WOW excellent thread
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Hi, firstly id like to thank the op and contributors to this very helpful thread, its been invaluable to me. I lost my original account on here so had to re-register :stupid:
For what its worth, ive finally and successfully completed swapping my old RCD300 into a RCD510 DAB radio.I have a MK5 GTI 06 plate (uk)
I also used this amazing thread to follow step by step and have very little else to contribute except perhaps added confirmation that the Blaupunkt fm/am/dab fakra beesting/sharkfin combo aerial is indeed faultless and requires no 12v feed to it.Contrary to the supplied instructions in the pack that illustrates that a seperate ingnition fed 12v feed is required, the aerial indeed gets its power from the single coax fm wire (white fakra,black wire) supplied to the roof.
I found that DAB and AM reception flawless and uninterrupted at all times with the bee-sting, however also had sucess with DAB/AM without it and only the sharkfin.Of course this is subject to location, im in the North East of England. The FM is flawless either way due to the double aerial system thus uses the rear heater element regardless.
If anyone is interested ive listed my sources as of 2013 for parts for the job below;
Blaupunkt Dab aerial; 91 euros
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.caraudio24.de/Zubehoer/Antennen/Multifunktion/Radio-DAB/Blaupunkt-Shark-Line-A-RD-T-01-M-Antenne-Radio-AM-FM-DAB-7617495140001::18198.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D7617495140001%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd&sa=X&ei=BOfYUMu-C4aW0QWFtYG4CA&ved=0CD0Q7gEwAA
****** add the 8m coax cable as I found it just right with only approx 1m slack at end); 22 euros
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.caraudio24.de/Zubehoer/Antennen/Multifunktion/Radio-DAB/Blaupunkt-Shark-Line-A-RD-T-01-M-Antenne-Radio-AM-FM-DAB-7617495140001::18198.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D7617495140001%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd&sa=X&ei=BOfYUMu-C4aW0QWFtYG4CA&ved=0CD0Q7gEwAA
Twin fakra splitter; £8
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAKRA-VW-RNS-RCD-510-310-315-radio-antenna-aerial-adapter-Seat-Skoda-Columbus-/261163682162?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item3cce918972
Pre-coded Canbus Gateway; £85
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-CAN-Gateway-CAN-BUS-Precoded-RNS510-RCD-Skoda-Columbus-Bolero-Golf-Mk5-Gti-/130893360259?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e79da2c83
Rcd 510 WITH*** DAB****
An example of current Ebay offerings is below;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RCD-510-DAB-/281103593233?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item4173146f11
I carefully sourced my RCD DAB from a reliable Ebay importer from Europe , brand new with code and box for just £199, but he has no RCD DABs for sale at moment by looks of things, however here is a link to his site if needed and some become available; http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/vagtec_cz/m.html_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
I coded my own Canbus purchased off Ebay as I have the Vagtech software, using the pre-coded and contacting seller will save you a headache and £240 I guess!!!!
Any questions/tips just pm me and ill try to help .
regards, John
P.s: my 06 GTI is basic old style MFD has no MFSW or AUX or Bluetooth so cant help with that side, and the RCD510 did not need extra coding to verify change of car, only the Canbus required re-coding!
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Did anyone manage to get this working with an OEM aerial (sharkfin style).???
I have an oem 3c0035507ab (GPS+dab) and have plugged it into an rns510 dab, and in the hidden menu for DAB I'm only seeing the below:
Frequency:215.072
Q: Mute
Ant1: ACTIVE
BER: 4
I'd REALLY like to get this working with the OEM aerial, wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction ?
I'm debating going down to local VW and plugging in head unit to factory wired aerials to test it, but would like to know if anyone has any ideas if its points to faulty aerial or faulty RNS510 :(
Thanks,
Rich
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Rich I don't mean to sound like a twunt, but have you tried tuning the radio?
I don't know what's on 215, but National DAB shows as 220 on mine. BBC is something like 225. With ANT 1 active and BER=4 I would expect you to get good quality reception.
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Hi,
Just replaced my RCD300 with a 510 and as feared I have the dreaded battery drain issue. I'd like to contact Eddie-NL as he appears to be the go-to guy to sort out a new gateway but as I'm a noob I don't appear to be able to send him a PM?
Any help appreciated as I'd like to get it sorted this week!
cheers
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Hi,
Just replaced my RCD300 with a 510 and as feared I have the dreaded battery drain issue. I'd like to contact Eddie-NL as he appears to be the go-to guy to sort out a new gateway but as I'm a noob I don't appear to be able to send him a PM?
Any help appreciated as I'd like to get it sorted this week!
cheers
All sorted now. Eddie did a sterling job and I now have a car that starts in the morning! Cheers Ed
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Hi
Im new to this forum but just wanted to say how helpful this feed was. I recently swapped my rcd 300 over to the rcd 510 in my 06 gti and for some time i did struggle to get the right parts and info i needed, until i remembered about the forums.
I just want to say a big thanks to Eddie-NL who sorted me out with coded canbus and pointed me in the direction of this feed.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,47405.msg589543.html#msg589543
Anybody looking to upgrade to the 510 well your in the right place.
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After reading up on the fitting of an RCD510 so much, by the time I actually bought one (£220 DAB version ) , it all went in quite fast. As my golf is a 2007 1.4 i found the gateway behind the cubby bin then behind the relays. Bought a new gateway from ebay for £35 , then thanks to Ess_Three it was coded , and i drove away a happy guy. the only problem I have now is the window mounted DAB aerial doesn't seem to be working only connected to the head unit. I am going to check the earth and see if it is properly earthed then lf not try and get the 12v supply connected up.
Saved myself around £50 by not buying a precoded, but if you can't get anyone to help code it just go for it.
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I have just bought a RCD510 on ebay and will be looking to install a DAB aerial. I would prefer to replace the existing aerial so I can get best possible reception.
A number of the link in the original post are dead now. What aerial would people recommend now? From what I have read and understand, I can use the cables that are already there with a new aerial, but will need to run a cable to enable DAB. Is there a good guide on how to do this? The link to the guide in the original post is dead.
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contact @DamoP (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2936)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,92696.0.html
sounds like he can get hold of the polo one which I have. I have a 4door and ran extra cable under roof lining, it was easy as it pushes behind the door seals on the roof lining. Don't waste your time on the window stick on ones, unless you live under the transmitter ;O)
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Perfecto, will send him a note just as soon as I work out how :)
The running on the cable is fairly straight forward then? Not had much experience with this type of thing - managed to get in and take the RCD 300 out which was fairly easy following a guide. Pulling down the headlining looks a little more intimidating, but assume it is just clips etc.
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Yeah a bit daunting at first, but just take your time, keep hands really clean, the pillar trims can just be partly pulled off at tops and bent down just a little. The worst bit was removing the old FM connector working upside down, a mirror would of helped. In the end I just yanked on it with a pair of pliers. You need a 20mm spanner and someone to hold new aerial in place whilst you fight to fit the nut underneath upside down. I ran new cable down passenger A pillar and above glove box, as I had been that route before with window aerial. Don't worry about airbag in A pillar, just leave it well alone ;O)
Oh just to make sure, you have got the DAB button on front top rh of rcd510? otherwise it won't be a DAB unit.......
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Yeah its got a DAB button, had been looking out for one as I know most of the RCD510 on eBay are from China so don't have built in DAB. Picked it up from the seller today, if my aerial adapter arrives tomorrow I will fit it with just FM/AM until I get the DAB aerial in place.
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Hi- complete newbie here- picking up a 2005 MkV today. I think the car has an RCD300 installed and I want to upgrade to a RCD510 primarily to get bluetooth and a USB input to connect my iphone for music (spotify) and calls. I have read all the advice on here and to be honest I think the installation of the stereo and the CANBUS is beyond me so I would have to get a professionals help.
Just looking around for an RCD510 I found this on eBay, the ad looks a bit dodgy so my instinct is to avoid but I am wondering of anyone else has used these guys as a source and if they're ok? If not, any suggestions on where to go?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231668852458?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Thanks!
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From the feedback and images that looks ok, but if aim for a description in English so you can be sure it states it's genuine.
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Hi- complete newbie here- picking up a 2005 MkV today. I think the car has an RCD300 installed and I want to upgrade to a RCD510 primarily to get bluetooth and a USB input to connect my iphone for music (spotify) and calls. I have read all the advice on here and to be honest I think the installation of the stereo and the CANBUS is beyond me so I would have to get a professionals help.
Just looking around for an RCD510 I found this on eBay, the ad looks a bit dodgy so my instinct is to avoid but I am wondering of anyone else has used these guys as a source and if they're ok? If not, any suggestions on where to go?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231668852458?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Thanks!
This one is china OEM headunit, it is without RDS and don't have phone function, don't display any phone info with premium bluetooth, just phone symbol during the call. I am using same at the moment, I'm going to sell it in two weeks, used for a half an year, will be looking for 90 pounds delivered or have rcd510dab for 199 delivered. Can supply right can gateway as well :happy2:
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Eddie-NL I'm a n00b on here. Bought a 2008 MK5 TDI GT Sport a few days ago for my wife. Want to add a better head unit from the current RCD3xx. Thinking RCD/RNS510. Do you still supply some of the items? Please PM me, I can't PM yet as under 10 ,posts. Thanks. Will post my experience in here to contribute to the forum when I get somewhere!
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Eddie-NL I'm a n00b on here. Bought a 2008 MK5 TDI GT Sport a few days ago for my wife. Want to add a better head unit from the current RCD3xx. Thinking RCD/RNS510. Do you still supply some of the items? Please PM me, I can't PM yet as under 10 ,posts. Thanks. Will post my experience in here to contribute to the forum when I get somewhere!
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Write me an email mate, can't write you. :happy2: