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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: the bruce on May 31, 2011, 10:21:36 pm

Title: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on May 31, 2011, 10:21:36 pm
NEW AUDI PARTS:   :happy2:


Since 3/2011 the Audi TT-RS comes with a new ventilation element
fitted to the lower arms.
Furthermore there are changed dust covers (which I would remove).

 :wink:

The parts numbers:

Luftführung 8P0 863 149 A and 150A   13,25€  vent
Deckblech 8J0 615 311 E and 312E   23,15€  dust cover
Schraube 2x N104 222 03  bolt
Mutter 2x N 907 611 02  nut
Hülse 2x 8J0 864 133 A  ??

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tts-freunde.de%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3DAttachment%26amp%3BattachmentID%3D1898%26amp%3Bh%3Dbabb95318301297c310a153a8637e7c2cda90d66&hash=48ff8f789621b91198b4a33cca3af0e2873647d0)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_789_0_62_1306875946_4439.jpg&hash=4aa876b0c3834b144a813264188b9be26f817b40)



Furthermore the RS3 usses the upper strut mounts (rubber(metal)
of the Audi TT.
I was wondering for long if the TT mounts do fit Golf and A3. Now
we know it does !!

The ball bearing remains the same. The rubber will be stiffer I bet !!
TT / TT-S / TT-RS and RS3 have much wider wheels than the regular
A3 and Golf, so that would be a logical development.


8J0 412 331 - Federbeinlagerung - 2 Stück - € 24.10 - strut mount
6N0 412 249 C - Axialrillenkugellager - 2 Stück - € 14.82 - bearing
N 910 216 01 - Sechskantbundmutter - 2 Stück - je € 1.37 - nut
N 101 277 07- Sechskantbundschraube - 6 Stück - je 69 Cent  - bolt


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_789_108955_62_1306876825_3382.jpg&hash=2ce6c44f5e12d77e0e661df7df25979081dcdf99)


 :driver:
Title: Re: RS3 / TT upper strut bearings + brake ventilation element
Post by: fuscobal on June 01, 2011, 12:30:55 pm
Looks promising. Waiting for someone to photo document the install first !
Title: Re: RS3 / TT upper strut bearings + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 01, 2011, 01:34:54 pm
Possibly it will be me.  :wink:

I'll get a new set of front springs.
Sachs changed the geometry and my old ones are bit rusty.
So they gonna send me a new pair for free.

When fitting the new springs of course I will do strut mounts
and bearings as well.

 :wink:
Title: Re: RS3 / TT upper strut bearings + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on June 01, 2011, 02:59:36 pm
Possibly it will be me.  :wink:

I'll get a new set of front springs.
Sachs changed the geometry and my old ones are bit rusty.
So they gonna send me a new pair for free.

When fitting the new springs of course I will do strut mounts
and bearings as well.

 :wink:

Let me know how it turns out as i would like to do this as well  :happy2:
Title: Re: RS3 / TT upper strut bearings + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on June 01, 2011, 06:37:04 pm
I already ordered the ventilation elements... will see on next track day if they make any difference.
@fuscobal I posted this on vwforum as well :) check your brake upgrade topic.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Carrera2RS on June 02, 2011, 10:30:58 am
Interesting in how you get on !
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 03, 2011, 10:56:27 am
I already ordered the ventilation elements... will see on next track day if they make any difference.
@fuscobal I posted this on vwforum as well :) check your brake upgrade topic.


Install the open fog grills as well and cut a vent into the inner fender lining.

 :wink:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 10, 2011, 12:21:13 am
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exiges.eu%2Fttrs%2Fcooling%2F1.jpg&hash=2a4abf65e48886cf15d8b7bb8140fc92ba56100d)

some  more pics:  http://www.vagoc.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=8214
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 10, 2011, 03:58:43 pm

TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    dust cover 8J0 615 311 E and 312E 23,15€/stk.
    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.

'tube' RS3: 8P0 864 133: 2,80€/stk.

For S3/Cupra arms go for the RS3 'tube'.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on June 10, 2011, 05:37:02 pm
and the TT-RS for the TT arms??  :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 10, 2011, 05:47:15 pm
Right !!

 :happy2:

Seems the TT arms have a different hole than S3 arms.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: 56OctyVRS on June 12, 2011, 08:32:39 pm
Would any of these fit to the normal MK5/Octavia arm?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on June 12, 2011, 09:40:39 pm
Yes, of course.
You might cut it a little bit.

That's why I tell you about. ;)

There are three Mk.V/Octavia arms though + S3 + TT.
Thrre steel arms: sheet, welded, cast.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 06, 2011, 08:10:07 pm
Anyone tried the vent on track?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 06, 2011, 08:15:09 pm

Interesting stuff  :popcornsoda:

Thinks the top mounts would be worthwhile when the original Cupra ones need changing?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 06, 2011, 08:22:51 pm
I don't doubt.  :wink:

The difference won't be huge, but I hope to change my front springs in
a few weeks and that's good opportunity to fit new bearings and mounts.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 06, 2011, 08:25:42 pm
Really anticipate your findings!
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 01:01:20 am
I picked the vent parts up today and fitted them, they go on very snug and once tightened up they're not moving from that spot.

Not sure Im the right person to give you any feedback but we have a nice half mile straight road outside my work, owned by network rail so its private, easily do some brake warming on there :grin: :happy2:

Will get some pick of them fitted tomorrow

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 11:42:17 am
 :happy2: :happy2: :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 06:46:50 pm
Some pics for you guys, excuse the dirty undersides :grin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050070.jpg&hash=c8c1d4b756d33d2cb6030cb04cab4a4775f8cd2e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050069.jpg&hash=da845377754bf5d3cf64383859daa6373e861a5f)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050062.jpg&hash=3e84d694fd0f2bd3e991c4b5aacd52378a66ab87)

I also have the ducting holes in the inner arches
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050071.jpg&hash=b5853a2277dc954cb9445cbf402dbb77f33f10f6)

They look close but there is no contact at all had a good look about but nothing rubbing.

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 06:50:04 pm

Nice one Darren  :happy2:

How much did it cost you for the parts?  I'm weighing up I I shoul get them tax free before I leave germany
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 06:54:01 pm

Nice one Darren  :happy2:

How much did it cost you for the parts?  I'm weighing up I I shoul get them tax free before I leave germany

It cost me £42 in total -/+ a few pence be aware the metal spacers are on back order :confused: but came within a week.

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 18, 2011, 06:59:23 pm
Very nice Darren, and very purposefull. I just wonder if you can earn a penny from the road ministry, with all the snow you will remove out through the wheels this winter  :grin:  :booty:

Joke aside, this and removing the dustshields should make the R32/S3 brakesetup capable of a lot more abuse than what they can stock due to the heat dissipation.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 07:21:15 pm
I just wonder if you can earn a penny from the road ministry, with all the snow you will remove out through the wheels this winter  :grin:  :booty:

 :grin: :grin:

Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 08:15:57 pm
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fss4%2Fmortygttdi%2FS1050069.jpg&hash=da845377754bf5d3cf64383859daa6373e861a5f)

 :happy2:

Morty, there has been some rubbing to the drive shafts?  :wink:
You have fitted the S3 arms and spindles. Hard to see,
but have you fitted the correct nut to the steering rod?
I did the mistake first to use the old standard GTI nut, that
was not suited for the alloy spindles, so I had to retrofit the
sorrect S3 nut. Same for the ball joint.
I wouldn't lift the car under the rear arm bushing mount again.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 08:56:00 pm
I had the car on coilovers and it was very low, the rubbing is not recent :happy2:

Regards the nuts and bolts, they all came off the same S3 steering rack and subframe so they should be the correct bolts??

Is there any way of telling??

Sorry I wont do it again :ashamed: I will be getting the S3/TT jacking covers shortly :happy2:

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 08:56:57 pm

Does anyone else plan on trying the Top mounts?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 09:20:37 pm
Me :signLOL:

I will order them in the new year :happy2:

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 09:52:36 pm
Morty, I can't recognize it exactly on your pics, but it is crucial to
use collar nuts for both lower ball joint and steering rod if fitting
alloy spindles as these have steel inserts for reinforcement.

 :wink:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 18, 2011, 11:17:53 pm
Are yes the both have shoulders on the nuts :grin: sorry the sounds perverse :signLOL:

But seriously the nuts have a collar on both :confused: i'm positive they do but will make sure tomorrow.

The hub and wishbone came has one so they defo have the collars on the ball joints.

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 18, 2011, 11:50:20 pm
 :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on November 20, 2011, 01:38:36 pm
Did anyone try to put TT spindle instead of S3 one? I need to buy a new steering rack and probably now it's the best time to replace it with TT spindle and rack.
I already have TT lower arm.
And what else would I need to change?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 20, 2011, 02:29:08 pm
Have a look at this thread mate it should give you some insight into whats transferable and what isn't?

http://www.clubgti.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=232250 (http://www.clubgti.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=232250)

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 20, 2011, 03:37:55 pm
Did anyone try to put TT spindle instead of S3 one? I need to buy a new steering rack and probably now it's the best time to replace it with TT spindle and rack.
I already have TT lower arm.
And what else would I need to change?

If you have the big wallet up i would buy some TT driveshafts as they should be longer than the ones you already have  :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on November 20, 2011, 08:55:58 pm
Thanks mortygttdi for the link. It seems that there is no physical difference between tt rack and jetta, just the turns from lock to lock. Not sure if his problems where because of tt faulty rack or not... That concerns me.
Apart from that he didn't mention anything about drive shafts. Are they really longer?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 20, 2011, 09:00:22 pm
Someone with ETKA should be able to confirm it  :smiley:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: vRSAlex on November 20, 2011, 09:25:01 pm
I have some tt hubs to fit when I get a chance.  I will check driveshafts tomorrow.  Just need a free minute to get them fitted.

I think it would also be worth while fitting the tt tie arms and rod ends too.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 20, 2011, 09:30:31 pm
Ive just sent Ryan/Scott an email to confirm what they did regards the driveshafts and if they are longer, 

The part numbers are different but it doesn't give specs/lengths on ETKA?

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 20, 2011, 09:41:02 pm
The Tie arms and rod ends are the same part number between the TT and the Golf :happy2:

The TTRS/RS3 on the other hand do use a different part number so I guess they are different
 
Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: vRSAlex on November 20, 2011, 09:45:36 pm
They are deffo different. The tt uses shorter tie arms and long alloy rod ends.  You can see the difference on the clubgti links pics.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 20, 2011, 10:50:39 pm
Sorry yes just had another look I must have gone into the wrong model.

1K0 423 811J - 1K0 423 812J - tie rod end / 1K0 423 810A - tie rod both sides
Eos - 2012 Golf Cab - 2004/2012 Golf - Golf Plus - Jetta - Scirocco
2008/2009 Audi A3/S3
2008>>A3 Cab
2011>>RS3

8J0 423 811 - 8J0 423 812 - tie rod end
2007 -2012 TT/TTS/TTRS

8J0 423 810 tie rod both sides
2008>>A4/S4
2010>2011>>A5/S5
2009>>Q5
2007>2011>>TT/TTS/TTRS
2010>>RS5

Has you can see they are slightly different part numbers

This is the email I just got back from Ryan/Scott @ Darkside Development

Hi Darren

We fitted everything from the TT, Front and Rear except the Front Subframe itself, 2 of the bolts didn't line up for some reason so we swapped everything over.
We were told the driveshafts were longer, but couldn't see much difference if they were.
We ended up taking the rack back off, it coded in okay (after about 3 days of messing about) but this model was noisy for some reason. It was only 0.2 turns less lock to lock anyway

Cheers

Scott
 
DarksideDevelopments.co.uk
Performance Diesel Tuning
Unit M1, Bromcliffe Park, Burton Road
Monk Bretton, Barnsley, South Yorkshire
S71 5RN, United Kingdom
MOBILE NUMBER REMOVED
scott@darksidedevelopments.co.uk
www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk


Darren




Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on November 21, 2011, 08:58:48 am
Ok, so different rack is not needed, but will TT tie rod ends fit golf rack? And front subframe has different part number and probably is why it didn't fit.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 21, 2011, 11:55:23 am
I would probably bet you would need the tie bars and tie rod end if your fitting the TT rack, I think Ryan was saying the Golf/Jetta tie rod ends where too short for the TT's wider track? some thing like only 3 threads left on the tie bar :surprised:

And yes the TT bars and ends will fit the golf but you would need to fit every thing else from the TT

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on November 21, 2011, 12:25:09 pm
Yeah, that was my ideea... Golf rack and drive shafts + tie rod, tie rod end, spindle from TT. Will this work?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 21, 2011, 04:20:21 pm
I would say yes should work fine,

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 26, 2011, 08:18:47 am

 :party: :party:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMods%2F8dabad5b.jpg&hash=3714cb3cb90c2da955310436ec2f1071a15f36bb)
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 26, 2011, 12:10:12 pm
How come you've got 4 top mounts Mike??

Word of caution when you put the RS3 vents on...don't put it on full lock while its on axel stands. trolley jack or in fact just in the air, I was doing something last week and noticed a cracking sound and when I looked the passenger side vent has a piece missing from the top of it :sad1: found it on the floor so will glue it back on or buy another.

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 26, 2011, 01:10:21 pm
How come you've got 4 top mounts Mike??

Word of caution when you put the RS3 vents on...don't put it on full lock while its on axel stands. trolley jack or in fact just in the air, I was doing something last week and noticed a cracking sound and when I looked the passenger side vent has a piece missing from the top of it :sad1: found it on the floor so will glue it back on or buy another.

Darren

 :grin: should you end up with a spare set Mike, pm me  :drinking:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 26, 2011, 04:34:15 pm
 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 26, 2011, 07:18:10 pm


Set for me, set for Bruce :)
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: mortygttdi on November 27, 2011, 12:46:44 am
Haaa I see, let us know how they go and if they feel any different?

Cheers

Darren
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 27, 2011, 09:47:30 am
Haaa I see, let us know how they go and if they feel any different?

Cheers

Darren

Im not expecting to feel a massive difference but helps with maintaining the car at least.  Ill let you know if it transforms my Cupra into an RS3  :love:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 27, 2011, 12:13:52 pm
The mounts won't feel too hard as the A3 Cab comes with these from factory.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 27, 2011, 12:16:58 pm
The mounts won't feel too hard as the A3 Cab comes with these from factory.

Do you know that they are stiffer? 

I was flat out yesterday, will post your bits tommorrow lunch  :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 27, 2011, 06:17:04 pm
I only know all TTs run them and RS3 + I guess current Leon Cupra + FR.
(so there might a chance you already got them)
The A3 Cabriolet is the only non sports oriented variant that comes with
these mounts.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 27, 2011, 06:19:42 pm
I only know all TTs run them and RS3 + I guess current Leon Cupra + FR.
(so there might a chance you got them yet)
The A3 Cabriolet is the only non sports oriented variant that comes with
these mounts.

 :ashamed:  Damn my impulse buying lol.  I will get p/n's tommorrow for my oem ones
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: jimk04 on November 27, 2011, 06:34:17 pm
8J0 412 331 does cross refer from RS3 to Leon but not sure which models exactly!
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 27, 2011, 06:35:11 pm
8J0 412 331 does cross refer from RS3 to Leon but not sure which models exactly!

So I more than likely already have the Rubber?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: jimk04 on November 27, 2011, 07:32:10 pm
Quite poss Mike yeah.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on November 27, 2011, 09:37:51 pm
Are they on an 06 gti?

If not i'll lift them off you Mike  :drinking:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on November 27, 2011, 10:43:47 pm
Are they on an 06 gti?


Not on any Golf, Jake.  :wink:

Sorry Mike, I possibly didn't get your situation completely

 :confused:.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 27, 2011, 10:46:54 pm

I am fitting the mounts as part of servicing. It seams my mounts are already the same?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: BigD on March 19, 2012, 04:28:32 pm
Apologies for ressurecting an old thread but will these fit the standard GT/GTI lower control arm? I see it has already been asked but the answer wasnt too clear...

Anyone tried it?

RS3 or TTRS Spacer 'tube' required?

TIA

Regards

Dave


TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    dust cover 8J0 615 311 E and 312E 23,15€/stk.
    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.

'tube' RS3: 8P0 864 133: 2,80€/stk.

For S3/Cupra arms go for the RS3 'tube'.

Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on March 20, 2012, 02:02:51 am
YES

Some slight modification to the plastic shield required.
If you have a second nut you don't need the alloy spacer tube at all.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: BigD on March 20, 2012, 08:08:33 am
Thanks for that, so use a lock nut instead of a spacer tube.

Some slight modification of the plastic shield? Hack saw trim job?

TIA
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on March 20, 2012, 05:52:29 pm
I did not do this my self, I have alloy arms. I remember some guys have told
about slight cutting with a knife, but not really shure on this.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on April 20, 2012, 05:50:01 pm
Guys, did any of you test the RS3/TT brake ventilation elements?
From the pictures I can see that the air is directed upwards. Are these elements also directing the air towards the brakes also?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 20, 2012, 06:09:47 pm

the Bruce did  :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on April 21, 2012, 09:05:56 am
OK, than I will wait for the bruce's feedback.

Meanwhile... can you guys please tell me if we need both the vent and the dust cover?
From the picture below I think we only need the vent. Where is the dust cover?


TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    dust cover 8J0 615 311 E and 312E 23,15€/stk.

    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.exiges.eu%2Fttrs%2Fcooling%2F1.jpg&hash=2a4abf65e48886cf15d8b7bb8140fc92ba56100d)
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 21, 2012, 09:15:25 am

When I ordered the parts for Holger 'The Bruce' I only oredered / recieved the parts in your picture there ^ Vlad.  Also ordered the top mounts
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on April 21, 2012, 04:26:25 pm
You don't need the RS3 dust shields (for 370 mm rotors), but it's a nice basis for some DIY work
to protect the ball joints from heat.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_10163_214514_80_1335021764_216.jpg&hash=cd5dee167635e55145380535d1530705886b4e14)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_10163_214514_80_1335021765_5144.jpg&hash=1f89ba5de9c5fe35a509afb95806cdcf98ebdedb)


The air flow under the front is some kind of a 'V'-shape from the center to the wheels on almost
all street cars. On the sides of a car there are low pressure areas. That's why the airflow inside
the wheels is allways from inside to outside.

This element focusses this air flow directly to the brakes.   :wink:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 21, 2012, 07:38:01 pm
You don't need the RS3 dust shields (for 370 mm rotors), but it's a nice basis for some DIY work
to protect the ball joints from heat.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_10163_214514_80_1335021764_216.jpg&hash=cd5dee167635e55145380535d1530705886b4e14)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_10163_214514_80_1335021765_5144.jpg&hash=1f89ba5de9c5fe35a509afb95806cdcf98ebdedb)


The air flow under the front is some kind of a 'V'-shape from the center to the wheels on almost
all street cars. On the sides of a car there are low pressure areas. That's why the airflow inside
the wheels is allways from inside to outside.

This element focusses this air flow directly to the brakes.   :wink:

Holger, you're forgetting your manners: Where's the ETKA number for the rest of us?  :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on April 21, 2012, 07:59:03 pm
TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    dust cover 8J0 615 311 E and 312E 23,15€/stk.
    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.

'tube' RS3: 8P0 864 133: 2,80€/stk.

Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: danishmkvgti on April 21, 2012, 08:39:04 pm
TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    dust cover 8J0 615 311 E and 312E 23,15€/stk.
    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.

'tube' RS3: 8P0 864 133: 2,80€/stk.

 :ashamed: you got me  :wink:  :notworthy:


Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on April 21, 2012, 09:02:44 pm
more common as "dust shield"  :evilgrin:


it's even aluminium
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on April 22, 2012, 09:41:25 am
I guess the down side is that the dust shield is to big for the 312mm GTI brakes. Holger, did you install the dust shield on your car?

I just took my front bumper off the car to align the Kerscher fenders properly (the guys in the service did not take their time to do this) and I noticed that it would be difficult to have brake cooling from the front fog grills.
So I think I will also buy the TTRS vents and hope they will work  :happy2:.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on April 22, 2012, 11:05:11 am
I guess the down side is that the dust shield is to big for the 312mm GTI brakes. Holger, did you install the dust shield on your car?

No, I don't have no dust shields any more.  :innocent:

Yes, if you want it as heat protection you'd need to cut most of it down.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on April 28, 2012, 09:20:30 am
TT-RS:

    vent 8P0 863 149 A and 150A: 15,77€/stk.
    bolt 2x N104 222 03: 0.71€/stk.
    nut 2x N 907 611 02: 0.26€/stk.
    'tube' 2x 8J0 864 133 A: 2,14€/stk.


I have ordered the TTRS setup and I found out that the vent codes have changed for "A" to "B"
    vent 8P0 863 149 B and 150B
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: QD MBE on April 28, 2012, 10:26:21 am
I have 2 of the TTRS Ducts for sale, £28 posted.

They are the  later 'B' Variants.

 :happy2:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on May 13, 2012, 05:35:22 pm
Some photos with my TTRS brake vents:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P5137839.jpg&hash=08ef187ce2674a2cbc21ae0ba04a36861cb1590b)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P5137840.jpg&hash=267ffc5354fdd03dabe1fa0600b13444d54f25f6)

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P5137841.jpg&hash=d0cd32633b994336f545923cc65e3c0f586fdd5e)

And I must say I am really curious to see if they have any effect.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: vRSAlex on May 13, 2012, 06:13:07 pm
Really worth removing the dust shields if you use these with the standard shields.  They block off too much air.  I don't run any at all and you won't get any issues with ball joints getting hot unless you do a endurance races.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on May 13, 2012, 07:02:21 pm
I wonder why you still have the dust shield fitted ??

 :chicken:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: drsilviuro on May 13, 2012, 09:41:28 pm
Cause of the dust?!  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rich83 on May 13, 2012, 10:01:13 pm
I cant see how that makes any difference at all.  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: vRSAlex on May 13, 2012, 10:08:13 pm
I cant see how that makes any difference at all.  :popcornsoda:

The vents/ducts Rich?
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rich83 on May 13, 2012, 10:09:12 pm
I cant see how that makes any difference at all.  :popcornsoda:

The vents/ducts Rich?

The flat bit of plastic attached to the wishbone.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on May 14, 2012, 07:57:54 am
Well guys, here is what I think...
The brake vents redirect some of the air that is going above and below the TT arm (or the normal arm). This air is redirected upwards into the wheel arches and NOT towards the brakes/discs. So it makes no sense to remove the dust shields especially because my car is a daily drive.
But, the larger amount of air going into the wheel arches creates a higher pressure in the wheel arches. Because to the outside of the care the pressure is lower and since air is always traveling from areas of high pressure to low pressure, the brake vents might just make sense.
If these are not enough I will install some brake vents taking the air from the front bumper (similar to NeilM). If this is the case I might consider removing the dust shields.
Guys, please correct me if I am mistaking in my judgement.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: fab5freddy on May 14, 2012, 08:14:35 am
Rex, a little off current subject of vents, but I thought you had the TT arms? Shouldn't the ball joints be on top of the arms?

Edit: Sorry just realised you have regular hubs not the S3   :ashamed:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on May 14, 2012, 08:24:39 am
The way my TT arms are fitted is the way they are fitted on the TT (with the ball joints below the arms.
For the guys that have the S3 hub my fitment is impossible so they put the ball joint above the arms just like the normal ball joint.

Here is how the TT has the ball joint mounted and how I mounted mine:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fpoza3-1.jpg&hash=ca4bb92a2d5b860681df8bc370fcc4beb1b709e7)

Edit: Sorry mate, I saw your Edit after I posted my answer...
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: fab5freddy on May 14, 2012, 09:18:30 am
 :grin:  It's still early, need to wake up the both of us  :signLOL:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: rex on May 14, 2012, 09:25:40 am
Where I live it's 11:25. So no excuses for me  :grin:.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: the bruce on May 14, 2012, 04:24:29 pm
The underside of the engine bay of a street car is a high pressure area. Remember
the front subframe ist the lowest part of our cars which slows the air flow. Even more
the air flowing though the engine bay (which entered via the radiator) has to leave
it somewhere. The flanks/sidewalls of the car are low pressure areas. This is common
knowledge and can easily be read in a subject book about aerodynamics.

So the air flow has a V-shape like pattern towards the wheel wells. The RS3/TT-RS
vent directions this flow to the brake discs (or to the dustshields if still in place).
Still common knowledge.  :wink:

From my understanding the RS3/TT-RS vent can not ensure it has a full effect if the
directed air flow is blocked by the dust shield.  :wink:

I never had any issues in the wet or even in the winter with lots of salt on the road
if you fear this.
At least if you have slotted, drilled or J-hooked rotors I don't expect running without
dust shields to be problematic at all.

 :drinking:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 04, 2012, 11:08:57 pm

I will have these top mounts for sale very soon.

Rs3. Although ended up identical to my Cupra ones.  Stiffer than normal Gti and perhaps ed30, this thread should confirm.
Will make a fs when they're taken off the car for fully adjustable ones very soon

 :smiley:
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: stubert on March 20, 2014, 07:33:57 pm
Resurrected this thread to save starting a new one as there's some great information in it.

I took delivery of my RS3/TTRS air slides today with associated bolts, nuts and spacer tube.

I haven't seen any pics of them fitted to MK5's that have the welded lower arms. And surprise surprise, the slides don't fit.
Seems I could have cut them as suggested earlier in this thread but I don't fancy butchering them.

I'm keen to get some alloy arms so will keep them until then.
Title: Re: NEW: RS3 / TT upper strut mount + brake ventilation element
Post by: metaljay on March 20, 2014, 07:38:54 pm
I also am looking for a set of alloy arms atm, awesome have a set mind you...