MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: paul mac on June 28, 2011, 11:38:08 pm
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Hi all, I'm new here so please be gentle.....
Currently looking to replace my Leon Cupra FR TDi with something a bit more interesting (and not Diesel!) & toying with the idea of a Mk5 gti or a 130i m-sport & noticed a lot of DSGs for sale on the golfs. I've always avoided any type of auto, but was wondering what the general feeling was towards the vw DSG system fitted to the gti's? Are they any good? Do they help with fuel consumption? Are they a potential financial risk - eg do they fail often?
Also, whats a realistic av fuel consumption (60 mph country roads / 80mph mway)?
Thanks!
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=search
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Without being a cheeky monkey ^^^^ :grin:
I'd suggest driving both models. It's the only way you will be able to answer your question.
Personally, I couldn't get on with the manual myself, so opted for the wondrous option of the DSG. It gives you the best of both worlds ish( it really is a phenomenal gear box! :driver:)
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:signLOL: had to be said :signLOL:
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Nice warm welcome there
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=search
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Nice warm welcome there!
I took the liberty of using the link to do a search for dsg issues and came up with the thread below. The poll attached suggest quite a few members have had problems (25%), although that is probably not typical.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22943.0/viewResults.html
You get a 10 year warranty on the DSG transmission in the US due to consumer complaints regarding its (lack of) reliability. Read into that what you will. As above though, take a drive and see what you think.
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put it this way...i wouldnt go back to a manual car after having the DSG...it would have to be a special car to sway me back to a manual gear box! most of my driving is in the city centre which means i am constantly stuck in traffic, and with the DSG its perfect! and its pretty fun to use on backroads to! but i would still suggest driving both a manual and DSG and see what you prefer as everyone is different :happy2:
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Whereas I have DSG and would happily return to manual. It's a good gearbox, but I simply prefer the direct control of a truly manual box. DSG isn't totally semi auto with paddle shift. The box software will shift up or down if it thinks it needs to override the driver. There's no 'holding a gear at the red line' with DSG, it'll shift.
Now some folk have had the software changed, which reportedly sorts this issue.
It's a marmite thing; you love it or hate it. Drive a manual & DSG back to back. And not just a 10 minute test drive. Take half an hour on roads you know.
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Very useful, as if I hadn't thought of that already!!!!.....actually, altho I was expecting this to be a regularity discussed topic, when I did a couple of searches for " dsg+manual" I got no results. Searching for "dsg" alone obviously brings up loads of threads, so I figured it would be worth starting a new thread.
Thanks for the responses so far
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=search
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Very useful, as if I hadn't thought of that already!!!!
No need for any sarcasm. You asked, we answered
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What I am saying is most things gearbox have been asked so it might be worth doing a search first and seeing if all your ??? Have been asked at some point in the past :smiley:
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It's very much a case of personal preference and as already said, the only way to decide is to arrange a decent length of test drive. The DSG box offers a huge amount of choices in how you combine modes/shifts and so it takes quite a few miles before it becomes fluid and natural. Mine has been Revo remapped and it is better but it's subtle and not like an ECU remap.
I only use D ('auto') when in a traffic jam crawl or in urban speed limit zones, otherwise I think manual and shift accordingly on the paddles - Both hands always on the wheel and no gear change ever fluffed. Best of both worlds in my opinion after 94,000 miles. Now I would not consider ANY other car unless it had DSG/S-tronic or an equivalent.
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Amazed no mention of warranty being of benefit? In case of problems. Thought yours had been replaced in the interests of research RR?
Man - ual all the way!
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Amazed no mention of warranty being of benefit? In case of problems. Thought yours had been replaced in the interests of research RR?
Man - ual all the way!
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.... :grin: I actually thought of writing in my previous post to expect someone to come along and suggest that DSG wasn't 'manly' but thought better of it.
For the record, while still under warranty I had a Mechatronics momentary hiccup after 6,000 miles and the Mechatronics module was replaced by VW. The car continued to be totally drivable as normal before actual replacement though I was naturally worried it might re-occur. At that time back in 2005, VW dealers were under instruction to refer all DSG issues to higher level and there was a policy of automatic replacement. It's also more cost efficient, reliable, and easier to replace a faulty electronic component rather than attempt to mend it. Doubtless VW were keen to analyse and rectify any problems as the DSG was relatively new to the public market. Have there been recent instances of Mechatronics failures?
In my opinion for whatever it's worth, the likelihood of a DSG failure is no greater than the failure of any other component on a car.
Like others and myself say, test drive and decide - It's a personal preference thing and nothing right, wrong, or effeminate etc about it.
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No problem, I probably should have said in my first post that I'd already done a search, but had limited success...will try a few more to see if I can narrow down dsg specific threads.
I was mainly hoping to find out if there were specific reliability issues / fuel economy benefits from the dsg....sounds like there are no real scaries, altho I guess if it goes wrong it will be big bucks to fix.
Oh, one more q...does the dsg auto blip on downshifts?
Will try and find a dealer with both variants to drive. Thanks all for the input so far.
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:indifferent:What I am saying is most things gearbox have been asked so it might be worth doing a search first and seeing if all your ??? Have been asked at some point in the past :smiley:
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Most things have been talked about over the years on the site at some point. Manual box for me I find driving dsg a little dull but it's still a great box just not for me
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I own a manual and really enjoy the gearbox, however I have never driven a DSG so maybe my opinion will change in the future.
Are the servicing costs higher with a DSG model as it needs its own specific servicing at set intervals??
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I own a manual and really enjoy the gearbox, however I have never driven a DSG so maybe my opinion will change in the future.
Are the servicing costs higher with a DSG model as it needs its own specific servicing at set intervals??
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Yes :happy2:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/fixed-price-servicing
DSG transmission oil and filter change
Why does my DSG transmission oil and filter need to be changed?
If the gearbox oil is dirty it will damage the other parts and affect the performance.
What do we do?
Check the gearbox for leaks, drain, and replace oil filter* before filling with high quality gearbox oil.
*Only on applicable vehicles
Service schedule
The oil, every 40,000 miles, the filter may need to be changed as well.
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Whilst on the subject of dsg....
Would anyone be too bothered to buy a car if the DSG service is overdue, car is on 41.5k and not been done as of yet, in addition to cambelt & main service.??????
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Whilst on the subject of dsg....
Would anyone be too bothered to buy a car if the DSG service is overdue, car is on 41.5k and not been done as of yet, in addition to cambelt & main service.??????
....I would be extremely wary of it and would almost certainly walk away from it. BOTH those services are very important indeed and the fact that neither, or even just one, of them has not been done on time strongly suggests the owner is sloppy and doesn't look after his/her car well enough :fighting: :stupid:
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On the other hand I managed to negotiate a really good price on my car by getting the dealer I was buying it off not to do any services as my mate is a mechanic at my local dealers and he did all the servicing for me
Matt
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On the other hand I managed to negotiate a really good price on my car by getting the dealer I was buying it off not to do any services as my mate is a mechanic at my local dealers and he did all the servicing for me
Matt
....But to be fair that's not a common occurrence. Did your mech mate mark your service book with an official stamp? Did he mark it at all? And if not, what customer rights or guarantees do you have?
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Whilst on the subject of dsg....
Would anyone be too bothered to buy a car if the DSG service is overdue, car is on 41.5k and not been done as of yet, in addition to cambelt & main service.??????
....I would be extremely wary of it and would almost certainly walk away from it. BOTH those services are very important indeed and the fact that neither, or even just one, of them has not been done on time strongly suggests the owner is sloppy and doesn't look after his/her car well enough :fighting: :stupid:
Food for thought, cheers RR
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I own a manual and really enjoy the gearbox, however I have never driven a DSG so maybe my opinion will change in the future.
Are the servicing costs higher with a DSG model as it needs its own specific servicing at set intervals??
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If your car is manual, and you have a remap, I'd also factor in a replacement uprated clutch soon enough, as they won't last with added LB ft of torque.DSG less problematic in that area.
DSG service every 40k £150 approx.
Manual clutch kit £400 (not certain on exact cost).
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Before i bought my car i had decided that that it had to be 5dr and automatic.It being a Golf Edition 30 was a bonus.(really wanted an S3 but no 5dr or auto availible that i could afford).
What im getting at is that wether its Auto or manual depends on what your after in a car.I have always driven manual since i passed my test 19 years ago and always swore id never buy an auto.
Now i cant imagine not driving one, and thats down to DSG.
Best bet i guess is to stick with manual then if you start to get lazy like me and fed up of changing gears get a DSG :happy2:
As a few have mentioned cruisng in auto is cool and also quite economical, in my old mk4 gti i always ended up driving in 3rd or second gear most of the time, but in my mk5 i quite happily let the box do the work around town then switch to manual when giving it some beans on the open road.
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....I would be extremely wary of it and would almost certainly walk away from it. BOTH those services are very important indeed and the fact that neither, or even just one, of them has not been done on time strongly suggests the owner is sloppy and doesn't look after his/her car well enough :fighting: :stupid:
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I've just noticed that neither at my 38k service or at my cambelt and water pump change at 41k that my dealer did not identify the need for the DSG oil and filter tp be changed!! Surely they should have raised this and done as part of the service schedules recommended?
I am know annoyed that this was not done on time as am quite meticulous at keeping it serviced on time but would expect VW to have identified?
What come back have I got with them as I purchased the car from them1 year ago and have just spent £349 on extending my warranty with them for another 12 months.....will this now void any claim if the DSG goes wrong as the service wasn't done at 40k?
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....I would be extremely wary of it and would almost certainly walk away from it. BOTH those services are very important indeed and the fact that neither, or even just one, of them has not been done on time strongly suggests the owner is sloppy and doesn't look after his/her car well enough :fighting: :stupid:
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I've just noticed that neither at my 38k service or at my cambelt and water pump change at 41k that my dealer did not identify the need for the DSG oil and filter tp be changed!! Surely they should have raised this and done as part of the service schedules recommended?
I am know annoyed that this was not done on time as am quite meticulous at keeping it serviced on time but would expect VW to have identified?
What come back have I got with them as I purchased the car from them1 year ago and have just spent £349 on extending my warranty with them for another 12 months.....will this now void any claim if the DSG goes wrong as the service wasn't done at 40k?
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Have you had your car from new?
Hasn't already been done has it ?
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....I would be extremely wary of it and would almost certainly walk away from it. BOTH those services are very important indeed and the fact that neither, or even just one, of them has not been done on time strongly suggests the owner is sloppy and doesn't look after his/her car well enough :fighting: :stupid:
I've just noticed that neither at my 38k service or at my cambelt and water pump change at 41k that my dealer did not
identify the need for the DSG oil and filter tp be changed!! Surely they should have raised this and done as part of the service schedules recommended?
I am know annoyed that this was not done on time as am quite meticulous at keeping it serviced on time but would expect VW to have identified?
What come back have I got with them as I purchased the car from them1 year ago and have just spent £349 on extending my warranty with them for another 12 months.....will this now void any claim if the DSG goes wrong as the service wasn't
done at 40k?
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Have you had your car from new?
Hasn't already been done has it ?
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No, I bought it from Citygate VW as a used approved on an 07 plate, had 18k on the clock and I've now hit 41k after 12 months. I've had it serviced at 28k and 38k with the cambelt and water pump just done at 41k. Didn't know about the DSG oil change as would have thought VW should have picked this up?
I've just purchased their own extended warranty for peace of mind for another 12 months.
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I'd be onto the service manager in a shot, there.
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On the other hand I managed to negotiate a really good price on my car by getting the dealer I was buying it off not to do any services as my mate is a mechanic at my local dealers and he did all the servicing for me
Matt
....But to be fair that's not a common occurrence. Did your mech mate mark your service book with an official stamp? Did he mark it at all? And if not, what customer rights or guarantees do you have?
That's a good point actually, the dealer I bought it from were reluctant to offer any Used Car Warrenty on it due to them not being able to carry out the services on it so I did lose out in that respect
Matt
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I'd be onto the service manager in a shot, there.
x2 then get it done soon as.Id hope they would be reasonable if any claim were needed.
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I'd be onto the service manager in a shot, there.
x2 then get it done soon as.Id hope they would be reasonable if any claim were needed.
Thanks guys, I will be on the phone to them first thing!
I'm not impressed as they also forgot to do brake fluid at the 38k service but agreed to do it free of charge when I got my cambelt done after I questioned it......Bloomin stealers :fighting: