MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Mandy on June 30, 2011, 01:05:04 pm
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I recently went from stage 1 to stage 2 remap.
After driving for about 300 odd miles since remapping, the Exhaust light on the dash came on today.
It didn't do this once whilst running stage 1.
Any ideas why? :confused:
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Speak to the Revo dealer that installed the software, they will be able to solve the problem.
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Don;t they turn one of the sensors off? Suprised they didn;t do this in first place...
Whats the difference like please Mandy, fancy stage 2 myself :)
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DO IT DOM!!! :signLOL: Yeh they are meant to turn off the second sensor so it doesnt throw a fault up. Take it back and it shoudl be a quick fix
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Are you running an intake - have just actually been looking at the Revo website as GTI_Mad is in the same position. Think he is getting the rich on idle issue. He is not running an intake (yet :evilgrin:) but the Revo site seems to suggest that is it required for Stage 2 on the ED30.
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i think its more advised to be required rather than needed. You will see good gains from a good intake with the other supporting mods for stage 2. :smiley:
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Stage 2 is the way forward :laugh:
No CEL light for me either, and ive got the same system as you mandy
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Stage 2+ is the way forward :signLOL: step at a time though :pomppomp:
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stage 2 is enough for me john :wink:
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I'm not sure if she has an uprated panel filter......
can't for the life of me remember whether jkm supplied her one.
I have vcds Mandy if you need assistance.
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Stage 2+ is the way forward :signLOL: step at a time though :pomppomp:
On a ko3 yes, on a k04, it's plenty fast enough :scared:
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Hmm, why hasn't someone mentioned to get a vcds scan in case the problem lies elsewhere... :confused:
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Hmm, why hasn't someone mentioned to get a vcds scan in case the problem lies elsewhere... :confused:
I did :signLOL:
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yes i must admit, its hard enough putting the power down on a ko3 stage 2+ so i bet it would be a right handfull on a ko4. :driver:
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Hmm, why hasn't someone mentioned to get a vcds scan in case the problem lies elsewhere... :confused:
I did :signLOL:
Hmm, you didn't mention anything about a scan though.. :wink: :laugh:
I have vcds Mandy if you need assistance
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its the EML light our cars dont have an exhaust warning light :laugh:
anyway these are my 2 codes let me know wot mandys are steve once uv scanned it
P2188- system too rich at idle
P0087- fuel rail pressure too low
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Thanks for the helpful replies. :smiley:
I dont have a CAI at the mo but that is on the 'to do' list, lol. Probably be going for ITG or EVOMS.
I did have a K&N panel filter but VW took it out and replaced with OEM during last service (about 3wks ago).
Because I got the remap at Inters, I guess it's on 'safe settings', wonder if thats anything to do with it?
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Fuel rail pressure too low.... doesnt sound good. The last thing you want is it running lean.
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yep so flashed back 2 revos version of standard map at the min which runs a higher bost than my stock map did :laugh:
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its the EML light our cars dont have an exhaust warning light :laugh:
anyway these are my 2 codes let me know wot mandys are steve once uv scanned it
P2188- system too rich at idle
P0087- fuel rail pressure too low
You checked block 103 that measures low-side feed pressure from the tank?
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yep so flashed back 2 revos version of standard map at the min which runs a higher bost than my stock map did :laugh:
I hope it isnt the rich at idle fault that I couldnt get rid of :scared:
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Good ole Bluefin :innocent:
Less bhp FTW :signLOL:
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Because I got the remap at Inters, I guess it's on 'safe settings', wonder if thats anything to do with it?
I too had mine done at Inters on the Saturday, gone from standard to a Stage 2, mines an Edition 30 with TBE & ITG, on Monday driving to work I also got a Cel light. The reading I got was
18725/P2293/008851 - Fuel Pressure Regulator Valve (N276): Mechanical Malfunction
Possible Symptoms
* Power Loss
Possible Causes
* Fuel Pressure too Low
Possible Solutions
* Check Measuring Values for Fuel Pressure
o Check for bent/squeezed Fuel Lines
o Check Low Fuel Pressure System for Leaks
o Check Fuel Filter & Filter in Fuel Pump
o Check the Fuel Quantity supplied by the Fuel Pump
My setting from Inters are 7B, 3T, 9F ( Mine is set to run on 95Ron and not 98 )
When I got the check light, I was idle in traffic :stupid:
I have made an appointment with Doctor Darren, to get some logging done tomorrow (Saturday) to see what the system says is going on.
Kiwi
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Is everyone running a uprated downpipe to go to stage 2?
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Is everyone running a uprated downpipe to go to stage 2?
I've got a Milltek downpipe, I think it's a requirement for stage 2 rather than a recommended thing.
I don't know what Carl put my settings on, but he did ask me what fuel I use so must be set to run on that (Momentum).
I guess the car is still safe to drive though? Doesn't feel any different since light has come on.
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Is everyone running a uprated downpipe to go to stage 2?
I have one, and a Cat 200 on mine.
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This is the latest information from Revo's website with reagrd to Stage 2 requirements:
Stage2 for 2.0T FSI Transverse K04 based vehicles
Required: Turbo back exhaust without pre-cat and either decat or highflow catalytic convertor (2.5"-3.0" recommended), Cold Air intake (from turbo inlet pipe to front of car replacing factory airbox for best gains)
Recommended: Front-mounted Intercooler (Required if customer wants to use the full boost potential)
Note: Uprated Intercooler can be run for maximum benefit, stage2+ is the next step though…
Stage2 for 2.0T FSI Longitudinal vehicles
Required: Turbo back exhaust with Decat or highflow catalytic convertor (2.5"-3.0" recommended)
Recommended: Cold Air intake (from turbo inlet pipe to front of car replacing factory airbox for best gains), Front-mounted Intercooler (Required if customer wants to use the full boost potential)
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Cheers Domt,
I have got a CAI and intercooler already, been told i do not need a exhaust aslong as i uprate the downpipe.
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Don;t they turn one of the sensors off? Suprised they didn;t do this in first place...
Whats the difference like please Mandy, fancy stage 2 myself :)
To be honest I don't think there is much difference at present, but I didn't expect there to be. Once I get an intake and have the settings tweaked then hopefully should see a bit of a difference.
The difference from stage 1 to 2 will never be like going from stock to stage 1. I think the idea of stage 2 is to make the most out of aftermarket mods.
I decided to upgrade because it was only £50, and my boyfriend offered to pay for it. :pomppomp:
One thing I have noticed since going to stage 2 is that my mpg has improved ever so slightly, when driving normal. :laugh:
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Ok, totally off the point but you need to update your sig. :smiley:
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Hi Mandy have you had your car scanned yet????
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Come down a get one of my 3.00" TBE's with the 125mm 100 cell m/sport cat and kill that sucker :fighting:
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Was a task getting to her go to Leicester for GTI Inters let alone the north west Nigel :signLOL:
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vcds scan is being planned in due course....
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Don't worry
contrary to a popular misconception the M6 is tarmac'd above Spaghetti Junction - they ripped up the cobbles a few years back :signLOL:
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I had this problem with stage 2 Bluefin!! was really annoying! sorted now as they turn off the exhaust light! Wish i had of gone revo though!!!
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Cheers Domt,
I have got a CAI and intercooler already, been told i do not need a exhaust aslong as i uprate the downpipe.
Correct, all the gains come from a larger bore DP with no precat and either a 200/100 cell sport cat or decat due to lower temperature EGT's, beyond the cat will gain an extra 1-2hp if your lucky. :happy2:
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I would change to a Rev D valve in any case. It can handle a much higher boost pressure so its definately worth it
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I would change to a Rev D valve in any case. It can handle a much higher boost pressure so its definately worth it
Has that been proven ??
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TBH i think its pretty poor that REVO flashed your car, and your having to faff around getting it sorted out. I hope they will rectify it gratis!
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Ok, totally off the point but you need to update your sig. :smiley:
Lol, you're right, I do. It's more stage 1.5 at the mo, not quite at stage 2 yet! :laugh:
Hi Mandy have you had your car scanned yet????
Hi Dawain, no not yet. Steve :scared: has offered to scan the car somewhen soon though... :scared:
Was a task getting to her go to Leicester for GTI Inters let alone the north west Nigel :signLOL:
No it wasn't Lee, I willingly went... :innocent:
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I think the next step will be a trip to JKM to sort the remap out, currently thinking about going for the ITG maxogen and will probably get an Evoms engine cover. I'm thinking I should change my DV to the revision D too, although JKM said it looked fine last time, but now it's stage 2, might be worthwhile.
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Steve, I've pm'd you.
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Scanned Mandys car today, and its also got issues with rich idle condition, sending on the exhaust emmisions light on since having Revo stage 2 installed by Revo.
From what i can see , it looks like her stock oem filter is to blame for the issue.
I feel Revo have no checked her mods prior to setting her Revo up for her at inters, and not checking what mods the car was fitted with before installing their settings.
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 T HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: VWX7Z0GD3NB7VE
Coding: 040300031C070160
Shop #: WSC 12598 027 411270
VCID: 375B18083FDD
1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 67096 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 10:35:05
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 782 /min
Load: 27.0 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 27.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
Readiness: 0000 0000
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She also has this fault which wont clear on vcds, although not causing an issue with the car atm, but keeps re-appearing as soon as its cleared..
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 953 549 BG HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
Component and/or Version: J0527 051 0100
Software Coding: 0012122
Work Shop Code: WSC 01279 785 00200
Additional Info: XXXXXXXXXXX E0221 002 0010
Additional Info: Geraet 00200
VCID: 78D9DB347243
4 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Faulty ignition switch perhaps? any help would be great. :happy2:
Oh and hope youve had a lovelly Birthday today Mandy!!! :laugh:
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That rich on idle seems to be getting popular ith revo, I couldn't get rid of it. Try and get in touch with Nathan on here, he was the last person to get the code, and has also bought a few bits to try and solve it :happy2:
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Don't worry about the ignition switch errors seen it a few times and I guess it's because you got the ignition on. You can't clear it either. :wink:
Regarding the too rich at idle. I don't think it's the air filter unless it's full of leaves. I would check the Revo settings first and then look to wind them down to something like 6-4-9. :smiley:
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Ian
Gti_mad also has his car done at inters by revo, same stage 2 and same mods, and has the exact same issues. Exhaust light re-appears only after alot of town trawling, but doesn't under harder revs/or using the Go pedal more spiritually
Sounds like they haven't set the settings correct to these cars mods imo
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So what are the settings? :popcornsoda:
Anyone think to buy an SPS? :popcornsoda:
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So what are the settings? :popcornsoda:
Anyone think to buy an SPS? :popcornsoda:
Are you hungry Mr Hedge? :signLOL:
:popcornsoda:
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Nope. :popcornsoda: :grin:
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Changing the settings didn't clear my fault code :popcornsoda:
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Is it a Select Plus or a Select Switch you have Mandy??
If it's a Select Plus then you can use the REVO suite to read the current settings on the car and then modify the ones on the switch.
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I spoke to Revo yesterday morning and they don't seem to think it's the map
Now there's a shock :laugh:
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Ian
Gti_mad also has his car done at inters by revo, same stage 2 and same mods, and has the exact same issues. Exhaust light re-appears only after alot of town trawling, but doesn't under harder revs/or using the Go pedal more spiritually
Sounds like they haven't set the settings correct to these cars mods imo
And I'm in the same boat, My car was done at Inter's - Revo Stage 2
Darren scanned my car, cause I get engine light every now and again, and again I get the same reading Bank 1 running rich.
I'm running full Miltek TBE and a ITG - Setting were 6,3,9 now running 7,4,9 and still every now and agin get engine light
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I wonder if they've tweaked/ modified the software lately as it's onli recently people like me
Have started experiencing problems :laugh:
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I spoke to Revo yesterday morning and they don't seem to think it's the map as the light would've occurred also immediately, not after 300 odd miles. They advised me to get in touch with APD in Poole who may look at it FOC.
Thank you Steve for scanning the car yesterday. :happy2: I've got the K&N panel filter back in, so will have to see if the light reappears at all... :popcornsoda:
So what are the settings? :popcornsoda:
Anyone think to buy an SPS? :popcornsoda:
I don't know what the settings are on at the moment, I have an sps switch but with stage 1 settings on it.
Speak to Neil at APD he done wonders on my car just with Revo Stage 1... He knows his software stuff!
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I spoke to Revo yesterday morning and they don't seem to think it's the map
Now there's a shock :laugh:
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I spoke to Revo yesterday morning and they don't seem to think it's the map
Now there's a shock :laugh:
You'd be disappointed at anything less
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Is it a Select Plus or a Select Switch you have Mandy??
If it's a Select Plus then you can use the REVO suite to read the current settings on the car and then modify the ones on the switch.
Not sure but it's the same one as this:
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/revo2.htm
Doesn't say 'plus' anywhere on it...
Ian
Gti_mad also has his car done at inters by revo, same stage 2 and same mods, and has the exact same issues. Exhaust light re-appears only after alot of town trawling, but doesn't under harder revs/or using the Go pedal more spiritually
Sounds like they haven't set the settings correct to these cars mods imo
And I'm in the same boat, My car was done at Inter's - Revo Stage 2
Darren scanned my car, cause I get engine light every now and again, and again I get the same reading Bank 1 running rich.
I'm running full Miltek TBE and a ITG - Setting were 6,3,9 now running 7,4,9 and still every now and agin get engine light
I'm considering purchasing the ITG to see if that would help, but that's what you have and you still get the light every so often. :confused:
Is it ok to run Stage 2 with a CAI but not an uprated fuel pump? I'd get an ITG but if it then means I'll have to upgrade the fuel pump etc then I will probably just go back to Stage 1 map, too much hassle.
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I spoke to Revo yesterday morning and they don't seem to think it's the map
Now there's a shock :laugh:
You'd be disappointed at anything less
I'm disappointed the words "boost leak" weren't spoken. :grin:
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When I had that fault code with REVO, I phoned them up, they said
"We've had a few S3's with that fault code, not sure what causes it, but plenty of other cars have the same software and run fine , so it must be something wrong with your car"
Bearing in mind I had the same hardware and ran bluefin stage 3, PDtuning stage 2 and shark stage 3 without getting that fault code.............................
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Has the fault code been posted up yet?
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Scanned Mandys car today, and its also got issues with rich idle condition, sending on the exhaust emmisions light on since having Revo stage 2 installed by Revo.
From what i can see , it looks like her stock oem filter is to blame for the issue.
I feel Revo have no checked her mods prior to setting her Revo up for her at inters, and not checking what mods the car was fitted with before installing their settings.
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 T HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: VWX7Z0GD3NB7VE
Coding: 040300031C070160
Shop #: WSC 12598 027 411270
VCID: 375B18083FDD
1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 67096 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 10:35:05
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 782 /min
Load: 27.0 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 27.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
Readiness: 0000 0000
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She also has this fault which wont clear on vcds, although not causing an issue with the car atm, but keeps re-appearing as soon as its cleared..
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 953 549 BG HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
Component and/or Version: J0527 051 0100
Software Coding: 0012122
Work Shop Code: WSC 01279 785 00200
Additional Info: XXXXXXXXXXX E0221 002 0010
Additional Info: Geraet 00200
VCID: 78D9DB347243
4 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Faulty ignition switch perhaps? any help would be great. :happy2:
Oh and hope youve had a lovelly Birthday today Mandy!!! :laugh:
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Scanned Mandys car today, and its also got issues with rich idle condition, sending on the exhaust emmisions light on since having Revo stage 2 installed by Revo.
From what i can see , it looks like her stock oem filter is to blame for the issue.
I feel Revo have no checked her mods prior to setting her Revo up for her at inters, and not checking what mods the car was fitted with before installing their settings.
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 T HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: VWX7Z0GD3NB7VE
Coding: 040300031C070160
Shop #: WSC 12598 027 411270
VCID: 375B18083FDD
1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - Implausible Signal - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 2
Mileage: 67096 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 10:35:05
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 782 /min
Load: 27.0 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 84.0°C
Temperature: 27.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.097 V
Readiness: 0000 0000
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She also has this fault which wont clear on vcds, although not causing an issue with the car atm, but keeps re-appearing as soon as its cleared..
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 953 549 BG HW: 1K0 953 549 BG
Component and/or Version: J0527 051 0100
Software Coding: 0012122
Work Shop Code: WSC 01279 785 00200
Additional Info: XXXXXXXXXXX E0221 002 0010
Additional Info: Geraet 00200
VCID: 78D9DB347243
4 Faults Found:
00576 - Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00883 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal S
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00884 - Ignition Switch (D) Terminal X
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
01744 - Ignition Switch Terminal P (D)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Faulty ignition switch perhaps? any help would be great. :happy2:
Oh and hope youve had a lovelly Birthday today Mandy!!! :laugh:
This one Dave.
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You are banging your head against a wall with REVO Customer Care. They have your money now!
I spent nearly £2.5k chasing a problem that was proved to be the software. Even with Categoric proof it was the software (i.e making more power at Stage 2 than Stage 2+ 30 mins apart on the Dyno) they still point blank refused to aknowledge the issue!
If you are within the 30 Day money back guarantee period i would get it taken off and go elsewhere.
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If you are within the 30 Day money back guarantee period i would get it taken off and go elsewhere.
:happy2: Got my money back :jumpmove:
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If you are within the 30 Day money back guarantee period i would get it taken off and go elsewhere.
:happy2: Got my money back :jumpmove:
Got his money back and shark fooked his brakes instead of the ECU. :laugh: Surely it's time for Jabba to write off you gearbox. :signLOL:
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If you are within the 30 Day money back guarantee period i would get it taken off and go elsewhere.
:happy2: Got my money back :jumpmove:
Got his money back and shark fooked his brakes instead of the ECU. :laugh: Surely it's time for Jabba to write off you gearbox. :signLOL:
very good :congrats:
What's that car in your sig TC?
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If you are within the 30 Day money back guarantee period i would get it taken off and go elsewhere.
:happy2: Got my money back :jumpmove:
Got his money back and shark fooked his brakes instead of the ECU. :laugh: Surely it's time for Jabba to write off you gearbox. :signLOL:
very good :congrats:
What's that car in your sig TC?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31811.0.html :happy2:
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Lotus Exige. :happy2: The GTI has left the building.
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http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31811.0.html :happy2:
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Surely it's time for Jabba to write off you gearbox. :signLOL:
I thought that was a REVO speciality too :innocent:
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Surely it's time for Jabba to write off you gearbox. :signLOL:
I thought that was a REVO speciality too :innocent:
:grin:
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Lotus Exige. :happy2: The GTI has left the building.
Looks v. Nice :happy2:
I thought it looked like a proton :evilgrin:
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If you want to hear something amusing, according to forum rumour speak from a seat ibiza driver on SCN with revo who's just had his car In the dealers with an issue. Apparently seat and revo have had a falling out over issues and the causes, and seat are ensuring all dealers remove ties with revo and voiding all cars with re maps that orignally thought they were covered by their dealers
Guess seat werent happy with the iits not the map its the car routine :grin:
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Hi HeavyD wot stage revo was u???
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Hi HeavyD wot stage revo was u???
Stage 2+ :happy2:
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Is it ok to run Stage 2 with a CAI but not an uprated fuel pump? I'd get an ITG but if it then means I'll have to upgrade the fuel pump etc then I will probably just go back to Stage 1 map, too much hassle.
Does anyone have an answer to my question please? :signLOL:
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AFAIK... its only stage 2+ that requires a fuel pump.
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I have had my fingers burnt on this before. with the KO3 it is fine, on some KO4's there have been a fuel request issue according to Saint Steve. I would get you map sorted first though before you complicate matters. :happy2:
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AFAIK... its only stage 2+ that requires a fuel pump.
Thank you Rich, I thought that was the case, but Steve kept telling me about all scary things that could happen, he got a bit technical and used the word 'detonation' which scared me a little. :scared:
:grin:
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Might be worth getting someone to do a bit of data logging, that should show up whats happening with the Fuel Pump and if its presenting a problem.
Gotta say, this thead isnt doing much for REVOs rep :signLOL:
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I have had my fingers burnt on this before. with the KO3 it is fine, on some KO4's there have been a fuel request issue according to Saint Steve. I would get you map sorted first though before you complicate matters. :happy2:
There's an easy way to do that... 30 day money back guarantee. :laugh:
Seriously though, I may do that.
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I have had my fingers burnt on this before. with the KO3 it is fine, on some KO4's there have been a fuel request issue according to Saint Steve. I would get you map sorted first though before you complicate matters. :happy2:
There's an easy way to do that... 30 day money back guarantee. :laugh:
Seriously though, I may do that.
This thread is not really Representative of peoples experience with Revo, all the usual people who have had problems cant wait to get the boot in were as the thousands who's cars a fine dont. There is nothing wrong with Revo maps but clearly for whatever reason is does not agree with some ED/ S3 engines. This particular fault seems even stranger if there are a number of you who got mapped at inters with the same fault.
I personally would perceiver with there map If they actively help sort the problem rather than brush you off. But this doesn't seem like something they feel they need to do so getting your money back may be best. :happy2:
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Mandy - Stage 2 without an uprated pump is perfectly fine. Stage 2 shouldn't request anymore than 115bar of fuel which the OEM pump is capable of. Stage 2+ is what you need the pump for as it requests 130bar of fuel which the OEM pump can't handle sustained hence you get fuel cuts. I'm talking K03 here not sure about K04 Maps. As said though get you map sorted and then start messing with other parts.
This thread is not really Representative of peoples experience with Revo, all the usual people who have had problems cant wait to get the boot in were as the thousands who's cars a fine dont. There is nothing wrong with Revo maps but clearly for whatever reason is does not agree with some ED/ S3 engines. This particular fault seems even stranger if there are a number of you who got mapped at inters with the same fault.
I personally would perceiver with there map If they actively help sort the problem rather than brush you off. But this doesn't seem like something they feel they need to do so getting your money back may be best. :happy2:
I disagree TC. Sometimes there are serious flaws in REVO maps and not just on K04 either. When i was stage 2+ on my vRS i wasn't able to get above 256bhp. REVO were adamant that the car was at fault and the map hadn't changed since day 1. So i spent nearly £2.5k in parts, fuel, data logging and dyno runs trying to locate this problem with the car. The final bit i replaced was the fuel pump. I also flashed back to stage 2. At Stage 2 i got 270bhp & 300lb/ft. The car stayed on the Dyno and Stage 2+ was reflashed back to the car. The power dropped back to 254bhp & 260lb/ft despite this so called being a more aggressive code. When presented with all this and reams of data logs they still denied the issue was the code. Even when i pointed out that i was running a different file version of the code than the original one they developed (i know who owned the car they developed K03 stage 2+ on) they were still adamant the car was at fault. The only thing i had left to replace was the complete engine. So i gave up with it, stripped the car sold it on and got a new one to start again with.
It was REVO's complete shocking customer service that i have my main gripe with. When they produce maps they produce some very good ones (Stage 2 on my car being a perfect example) but the minute that a potential issue is highlighted they immediately blame the car (which no doubt more often than not it is) and it's never the map. I would rather they said to me to present them with all the data & facts and then show me it's the car not the code than just immediately say "boost leak" Hence why i won't be going REVO with this car. I'd rather have a slightly inferior map with good customer care than have the best map that could cause problems with sh*te customer care.
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worth noting that revo and revo agents map the cars at inters, given three cars have same issue would be interesting to see if there is any correlation between who flashed the code, you'd like to think they keep records and an audit trail so they can ascertain if their is a common theme :happy2:
given APD have been mentioned i wonder if they flashed mandy's car?
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AFAIK... its only stage 2+ that requires a fuel pump.
But even at stage 2 you may be into fuel cuts, if your oem pump is worn.
Data logs can give you a great indication whether your Stock pump can run happily at a lower stage of tune.
Mandy ,seriously, if your wanting to run a CAI, then you will need to run an uprated fuel pump to assist.
Or like i suggested to you, Run the uprated Panel filter in instead of the oem paper one you had, and that im sure will cure the rich idle condition.
Im sure the guys at Revo, just flashed these cars at Inters, without checking what mods were fitted/never lifted the bonnet, no logs were done after, just "heres your keys " now "up the strip you go " and onto the next person.
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Shark performance FTW :laugh:
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AFAIK... its only stage 2+ that requires a fuel pump.
But even at stage 2 you may be into fuel cuts, if your oem pump is worn.
Data logs can give you a great indication whether your Stock pump can run happily at a lower stage of tune.
Mandy ,seriously, if your wanting to run a CAI, then you will need to run an uprated fuel pump to assist.
Or like i suggested to you, Run the uprated Panel filter in instead of the oem paper one you had, and that im sure will cure the rich idle condition.
Why would you need a Uprated pump to run a CAI :confused:
I know plenty of people on Stage 2 With every mod bar a pump and have no issues. I'm just confused as to what makes you think you need a pump to have an EVOMS/ITG/Twintake etc
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Uprated panel filter = waste of time and money.
If you are being brutally honest an uprated fuel pump will show returns on all of the Revo maps even stage 1 however it is perfectly acceptable to run whatever combination of mods you like just adjust to suit.
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If your adding more air carl by a CAI, then natually you will be requesting more fuel. If your fuel pump cant sustain the requested by the map, thats why its safer to uprate the pump. My fuel pressure on my car couldnt sustain Bluefins origonal settings.
My car is case in point. My "stage 2" remap on mine couldnt run a stage 2 bluefin map being a K04 without timing issues.After various logging sessions.
Superchips lowered the requested, and now fuel pressures and now Timing are all running no worse then -3, which is now far better than -6, -9 which i was running.
Realistically i need a new fuel pump to then be able to run Bluefins Origonal stage 2 map. Revo are more agressive normally, so put the two together and you may have a potential issue hense why this was my advise.
My fuel pump has done 60k hense why some cars with less wear n tear may or maynot have an issue. :wink:
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But the Map and the ECU shouldn't allow it to request anymore than a set parameter. Stage 2 shouldn't be requesting more than the OEM pump can cope with. That's the whole point of Stage 2+ and a requirement of the map is an Uprated Pump
I agree you can get fuel cuts etc but fitting a CAI should not warrant fitting of an uprated pump.
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But the Map and the ECU shouldn't allow it to request anymore than a set parameter. Stage 2 shouldn't be requesting more than the pump can cope with. That's the whole point of Stage 2+
I agree you can get fuel cuts etc but fitting a CAI should not warrant fitting of an uprated pump.
I agree also carl, but what im trying to say, a worn fuel pump combined with a CAI could cause an issue.
A brand new OEM, or low mileage pump im sure is totally fine and is prooven to be so, but wear in the fuel pump will cause lower unsustainable fuel pressure in some cases.
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So the correct advice to give then should be:
Log Block 230 to check the Rail pressure Specified & Actual. As long as there isn't more than a 5.0bar difference then the pump is fine.
If there is then buy a New OEM pump (£178 from a dealer) and see if that cures the problem. If not then consider shelling out £300 for uprated internals or (ideally) £700 for an APR pump.
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Uprated panel filter = waste of time and money.
If you are being brutally honest an uprated fuel pump will show returns on all of the Revo maps even stage 1 however it is perfectly acceptable to run whatever combination of mods you like just adjust to suit.
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OEM Paper filter is going to be fine in this instance as long as it's clean.
As H says an uprated fuel pump will show gains on cars at all levels of tune, whether you get fuel cut at any stage with REVO software can very much depend on how aggressive the settings are.
Mandy it might be worth an hours labour to get Keith at JKM to give it the once over for you.
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My fuel pump has done 60k hense why some cars with less wear n tear may or maynot have an issue. :wink:
It's probably not a wear problem on the pump itself just the cam follower. Nothing to worry about. :scared:
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I dont 100% agree that a fuel pump will make gains at any stage of tune tbh. revo software does show gains with a fuel pump as they push the limits of the sstd fuel pump even on ststage 1 and 2 hence why the likes of robin had to ave his settings turned down after fitting the twintake.
My bluefin stage 1&2 and shark performance stage 1&2 never requested as much fuel pressure as the revo maps, hence when i fitted my ITG intake there was no sign of fuel cut on either as the logs howed fuel pressure requested and actual matched each other
The intake is literally a bolt on which the ecu has enough adaptation it deal with without map tweaks, so the map must be pretty aggrresive to begin with if it causes fuel cut
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I dont 100% agree that a fuel pump will make gains at any stage of tune tbh.
That is why we specified REVO because they push the envelope. :confused:
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I dont 100% agree that a fuel pump will make gains at any stage of tune tbh.
That is why we specified REVO because they push the envelope. :confused:
My car only runs 121bar of fuel pressure and it's stage 2+ shark map , and it's figures aren't too shabby
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I dont 100% agree that a fuel pump will make gains at any stage of tune tbh.
That is why we specified REVO because they push the envelope. :confused:
My car only runs 121bar of fuel pressure and it's stage 2+ shark map , and it's figures aren't too shabby
REVO Push the envelope as they request 130bar of fuel on K03 and 134bar (iirc) on K04 Stage 2+ codes
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My fuel pump has done 60k hense why some cars with less wear n tear may or maynot have an issue. :wink:
It's probably not a wear problem on the pump itself just the cam follower. Nothing to worry about. :scared:
already changed that mate prior, so you can cross that off as a cause :happy2:
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My car only runs 121bar of fuel pressure and it's stage 2+ shark map , and it's figures aren't too shabby
Running the engine lean makes Power....you just have to be careful about how close you are to detonation and EGT's getting sky high and engine going BANG!
Maybe Revo like to run more fuel to prevent these things from happening so request you get an uprated FP. But what do i know...
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My old Skoda with Revo stage 1 runs 124.8 bar fuel pressure which I am guessing is the limit of the standard pump.
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Driving around today (non-motorway) and the light has reappeared, half expected it would. :sad1:
I think the easy thing to do is to go back to stage 1, will be asking for my money back.
Would've been interesting to find out the cause/problem but it would involve too much faffing around.
worth noting that revo and revo agents map the cars at inters, given three cars have same issue would be interesting to see if there is any correlation between who flashed the code, you'd like to think they keep records and an audit trail so they can ascertain if their is a common theme :happy2:
given APD have been mentioned i wonder if they flashed mandy's car?
APD were there at Inters helping flash the cars. It was Carl who done mine, he did ask me what fuel I was running on, what exhaust system I had, he tried to look under the bonnet but my bonnet wouldn't open so couldn't. I told him it was all stock though.
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Getting the refund may be a slight issue as in theory your contract is with REVO of Daventry so would mean a trip there.
I guess it's possible JKM can help out but it may be at a cost as obviously they will be out of pocket for the labour time.
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Getting the refund may be a slight issue as in theory your contract is with REVO of Daventry so would mean a trip there.
I guess it's possible JKM can help out but it may be at a cost as obviously they will be out of pocket for the labour time.
When I phoned Revo up a couple of days ago they did tell me to go to APD in Poole as they 'may' have looked at my car free of charge (providing the map was to blame). I'm guessing that's where they'll probably send me. I am actually still waiting for a phone call from them... they overcharged me for the map in the first place.
I don't mind paying JKM for labour, at least it should get fixed. :smiley:
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I don't think you'll ever prove the software is/was to blame as it'll be applied with the usual REVO non slip coating. :evilgrin:
Carl's debacle is a good indicator and I have a very similar story myself.
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what did they charge u Mandy???
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£50 +VAT= £70... :stupid:
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£50 +VAT= £70... :stupid:
:surprised: :surprised: :surprised:
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Who worked that out a new member of the team, Revo Maths Fail? :confused:
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i dunno wot 2do with mine iv rang and left a ,essage twice with my number and aint heard a thing!!!!!!
im gona keep tryin till friday if not a trip 2 daventry and refund with stock map re-applied are in order as personally i think its a map issue as so many of us are suffering the same fault
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i dunno wot 2do with mine iv rang and left a ,essage twice with my number and aint heard a thing!!!!!!
im gona keep tryin till friday if not a trip 2 daventry and refund with stock map re-applied are in order as personally i think its a map issue as so many of us are suffering the same fault
Dawain, I've just been on the phone to Revo, they wanted me to take my car to them in Daventry to diagnose the fault but it's too far from me so I've told them that you may be willing to go up there instead? They've been trying to phone you this morning apparently cos you left them a message.
As for me, looks like I'll be going to APD to get flashed back to stage 1 and get my money back. Meanwhile, they're going to try and find out the cause of this problem that is occurring on certain K04's at stage 2. :popcornsoda:
The guy I spoke to was very helpful. :smiley:
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I'm going to give them a call this morning also, as my light has just come on again on the motorway.
I'm down there way on Tuesday
Kiwi
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I'm going to give them a call this morning also, as my light has just come on again on the motorway.
I'm down there way on Tuesday
Kiwi
Let us know how you get on... :happy2:
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Iv jus spoke 2 kev and am goin there Monday Mornin for them 2 hav a look over the software and maybe adapt it 2 find a cure hopefully :happy2:
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Iv jus spoke 2 kev and am goin there Monday Mornin for them 2 hav a look over the software and maybe adapt it 2 find a cure hopefully :happy2:
I too have just spoken to Kev, very helpful and nice chap, I'm going down their on Tuesday afternoon, for them to do some tests and take a look. :happy2:
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Iv jus spoke 2 kev and am goin there Monday Mornin for them 2 hav a look over the software and maybe adapt it 2 find a cure hopefully :happy2:
I too have just spoken to Kev, very helpful and nice chap, I'm going down their on Tuesday afternoon, for them to do some tests and take a look. :happy2:
My thoughts exactly seemed a very nice helpfull chap
So can we start a list of people getting the running rich on idle fault
1. Gti_Mad
2. Mandy
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Kev Hall was about the only one i got any sort of sense out of.
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So can we start a list of people getting the running rich on idle fault
1. Gti_Mad
2. Mandy
3. Kiwi
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If any of the people that are having this 'running rich at idle' issue have vagcom, can you post up your ECU vag number please? Wonder if the issue relates to just one software version....
I.e 06A 906 115L
Or as shown here in this screenshot:
http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/tour/open_screen.html
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When I spoke to Kev, he asked for the following info (highlighted):
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 T HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Revision: 5BH16--- Serial number: VWX7Z0GD3NB7VE
Coding: 040300031C070160
Shop #: WSC 12598 027 411270
VCID: 375B18083FDD
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hi guys, my edition 30 running at 370bhp had the same problem......fault codes were reading lambda sensor so had it replaced......it did not solve the problem. after many weeks of thinking i decided to invest in an APR uprated fuel pump and voila light disappeared. I appreciate it is a £800 part, but it really has transformedthe way my car performs! Truly awesome part! :-)
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Went down to see Paul at APD today, car flashed back to stage 1 for the time being.
Apparently Revo have admitted a fault with their stage 2 software but have managed to fix it...
Just a matter of waiting now for Paul to receive the correct files from Revo then he's going to come down and put it on my car and do some logging at some point.
Hopefully all should be ok then. :smiley:
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Fingers crossed! :happy2:
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I spoke to Keith at JKM about this the other day and one of the things he mentioned was an ailing fuel pump so that ties in with Malamute's findings.
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hi guys, my edition 30 running at 370bhp had the same problem......fault codes were reading lambda sensor so had it replaced......it did not solve the problem. after many weeks of thinking i decided to invest in an APR uprated fuel pump and voila light disappeared. I appreciate it is a £800 part, but it really has transformedthe way my car performs! Truly awesome part! :-)
which hpfp was you before Apr ??
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Was very random but as you was leaving apd i realised it was you. i was there in the black gti trying to get my rack sorted. Paul was pritty annoyed and felt for you when you left as for revo messing up the file they had sent. Hope it all gets sorted soon. Next time i will say hello. :signLOL:
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Apparently Revo have admitted a fault with their stage 2 software but have managed to fix it...
:surprised:
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well went 2 daventry today and had my map sorted :happy2:
according 2 kev the coding got mixed up in someway durin the prep for inters
all seems ok so will monitor it 4 a wile :happy2:
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I spoke to Keith at JKM about this the other day and one of the things he mentioned was an ailing fuel pump so that ties in with Malamute's findings.
Is there a way to check the health of my fuel pump?
Was very random but as you was leaving apd i realised it was you. i was there in the black gti trying to get my rack sorted. Paul was pritty annoyed and felt for you when you left as for revo messing up the file they had sent. Hope it all gets sorted soon. Next time i will say hello. :signLOL:
Lol, so it must be your GTI that was parked next to mine :happy2:. Initially I was only going down to get flashed back to stage 1 anyway so I wasn't too annoyed, kind of him to offer to come down to me next time though :smiley:.
well went 2 daventry today and had my map sorted :happy2:
according 2 kev the coding got mixed up in someway durin the prep for inters
all seems ok so will monitor it 4 a wile :happy2:
Glad yours is sorted.
Don't suppose you asked him whether an uprated fuel pump is needed?
Logging Mandy
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Glad yours is sorted.
Don't suppose you asked him whether an uprated fuel pump is needed?
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yep and he said not for stage 2 but mine wasnt making requested at top end so he said 2 check my cam folloower altho i onli changed it 1500miles ago
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Checking the cam follower is always worthwhile but I really don't think it's going to reveal wear on a fuel pump or explain low pressure.
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Glad you are sorted Dawain :happy2:
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Alsorted for me also :happy2:
Spoke with Kev yesterday, and in turn he spoke to Dave at ADS in Preston, and organised for me to pop down fo rDave to be able to check the car, and then reload the correct map. Dave did a little on the road data logging, and bob's your uncle, everything is as it should be, infact I feel the cars pulling smoother and running better all round.
So a big thanks to Kev at Revo, for sorting it, quickly and without any hassle, and also to Dave at ADS in Preston for taking the time to look at it and sort it, and best of all, it cost nothing for the correction :drinking:
Nice work gents :happy2:
Kiwi
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You let deadly Dave drive your car. :surprised:
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Oh well, thought it was all too good to be true.....
I have this code on, MIL ON.
I saw the code last week but cleared it off as there was no MIL on the dash. Well its back again. It was only a year ago I went through this with the stage 2+ Revo that I got a refund on. Now the stage 2 file I had loaded on is doing the same :fighting:
Thursday,09,February,2012,16:59:45:05205
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.1
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 115 L HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0030
Software Coding: 040300031C070160
Work Shop Code: WSC 80176 538 403142
VCID: 2F43C984BE066CC
1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 76620 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 16:31:38
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 756 /min
Load: 22.7 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 81.0°C
Temperature: 6.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1030.0 mbar
Voltage: 14.351 V
code from last week
Saturday,04,February,2012,13:22:10:05205
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.1
Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 115 L HW: 8P0 907 115 B
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0030
Software Coding: 040300031C070160
Work Shop Code: WSC 80176 538 403142
VCID: 2F43C984BE066CC
1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 76303 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 15:49:41
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 725 /min
Load: 27.0 %
Speed: 4.0 km/h
Temperature: 83.0°C
Temperature: 11.0°C
Absolute Pres.: 1020.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.081 V
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sh*t sorry 2hear your havion problems again dude, not havin much luck are ya mate :sad1:
i reckon you should try the apr map if anything seen as you've had nothing but problems with every1 else
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What intake are you running?
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ITG intake.
Its only ever Revo software I have this problem on :stupid:
I've had every other companies software on :signLOL: and it only appears with Revo, same as last year :fighting:
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ITG intake.
Its only ever Revo software I have this problem on :stupid:
I've had every other companies software on :signLOL: and it only appears with Revo, same as last year :fighting:
When you trying APR Dom :popcornsoda:
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ITG intake.
Its only ever Revo software I have this problem on :stupid:
I've had every other companies software on :signLOL: and it only appears with Revo, same as last year :fighting:
Ditch Revo then :signLOL:
I'd try running a panel filter to see if the fault re occurs personally
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heavyd... who installed the REVO software?
Thats the exact same fault code i had, when i had the wrong map file installed.
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I had it re-flashed today by PDT. it had version 9 on, and now has version 10b :confused:
Will know in a couple of days if it has worked or not :happy2:
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Well I've done a fair few miles now, no faults showing on vcds, so looks like the update worked. Thanks to PDT yet again :drinking: