MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Weston on July 18, 2011, 11:22:06 pm
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I've found a full brake set including 4 R32 calipers & 4 R32 discs. I'm very tempted to buy them as I need new discs & pads for my GTI anyway. What else would be needed to fit these assuming it really is just the calipers and discs?
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I've found a full brake set including 4 R32 calipers & 4 R32 discs. I'm very tempted to buy them as I need new discs & pads for my GTI anyway. What else would be needed to fit these assuming it really is just the calipers and discs?
As far as i'm aware you defo need new brake lines cos the old ones won't fit and if it doesn't come with them you'll need the carriers/bells?? not sure of the correct term for them
Someone more clued up than me will confirm anything else :happy2:
Dave
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Cheers :happy2: Just to add I'd also like to know rough prices to. The calipers & discs are up for £550, not sure if that's good or not
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What I know is you can buy the front kits brand new including everything for £620 finished in Red from davehawthorne @sere seat in Ireland ,they are genuine OEM VAG parts.
I bought these and then sold my fronts for £175 on the internet.If you buy from Seat they come in red , Vw in blue,Audi in black .
I bought a set off fantastic rears on here in red complete for £200 . Advice was 80% off the braking was done by the fronts so it made sense to put new on the front .
I sold the old brakes and recouped £275. If you buy secondhand you could need to replace disks and pads early so what is the point ? new fronts is the way forward .I can forward you the parts list if it helps but its prob best to just ring dave at sere .The kit includes eveything new clips, hoses, dustshields ,pads calipers, disks ,etc
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Hmm I'll have to have a think. I was only going to buy better front pads & standard parts for the rest but thought this seemed a good price. Strangely I've already been in touch with David for prices for standard parts. Thanks for your help :happy2:
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I've had a response now. Sale includes everything, pads & discs don't need replacing either. £550 seems a good price, just unsure that I need bigger brakes
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I was after £550 for mine. It is a stunning OEM upgrade in my opinion. Inpaitience and needing the money towards the NQS BBK saw me dropping to £400 with everything included for the front setup.
Looking forward to seeing them re furbed in Vrs Green on a certain Octy on this Forum :party:
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I was after £550 for mine. It is a stunning OEM upgrade in my opinion. Inpaitience and needing the money towards the NQS BBK saw me dropping to £400 with everything included for the front setup.
Looking forward to seeing them re furbed in Vrs Green on a certain Octy on this Forum :party:
This is front & rear. Trying to balance the pros & cons. My winter wheels won't fit vs. improved braking. Also factoring in the 19" vmr wheels I'm after so I dunno if I want one, the other, both or neither :signLOL:
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Good price. I thought it was only the S3 with the better rears?
I will put S3 rears on the rear of mine when they are ready for changing again.
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Good price. I thought it was only the S3 with the better rears?
I will put S3 rears on the rear of mine when they are ready for changing again.
Bought them :happy2: R32 rears are bigger, I think they're 312mm? Something like that. Seller wouldn't budge on price but I managed to get free delivery. Hopefully they'll fit under my wheels!
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312 solid or vented?
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310mm vented for the R32/S3 rears :happy2:
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312 solid or vented?
Vented
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310mm vented for the R32/S3 rears :happy2:
Cheers :happy2:
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Can someone with R32 brakes on a GTI please tell me what I need to make them fit / work? Is it worth getting braided hoses, and if so which are recommended?
Thanks
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I put some fronts on mine the other week. I put new OEM hoses on(which have metal springs wrapped around the outside of the hoses now) for about £30, new dustshields - around £8 each, and the rest of the kit just bolted straight on :happy2: I also managed to get a brand new set of discs and pads from washop keith for £110, which I priced up as £296 from the dealers :scared:
They fit behind pescara no problem. If you wanted part numbers I can go and find the receipts if you want :happy2:
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As heaved says just get the OEM R32/S3 hoses and everything else is a straight bolt on - Assuming you have wheels they fit behind :happy2:
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Part numbers would be great please :happy2: The wheels I've just put on came from an R32 so theyll be fine, not sure if my winter wheels will fit yet though.
Thanks guys :drinking:
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Can someone with R32 brakes on a GTI please tell me what I need to make them fit / work? Is it worth getting braided hoses, and if so which are recommended?
Thanks
Yes many people have this set up, defo worth the money, much more power under breaking. You will need new brake lines!
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These are the parts I got
Brake discs 1k0615301m x2
Hoses are 1k0611701L £26.62+vat per pair
Dust shields 1k0615311c, 1k0615312c, £15.10 Inc vat
Brake pads 1k0698151b
The prices are without discount, as the lads I used to get discount off have been sacked :sad1:
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These are the parts I got
Brake discs 1k0615301m x2
Hoses are 1k0611701L £26.62+vat per pair
Dust shields 1k0615311c, 1k0615312c, £15.10 Inc vat
Brake pads 1k0698151b
The prices are without discount, as the lads I used to get discount off have been sacked :sad1:
Thanks I'll have to order some of those bits :happy2:
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when i put them on my gttdi i got new bolts for the rear carriers and i used the same flexi pipes
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Once they arrive it'll be more obvious what needs replacing. Are the front & rear hoses the same?
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The front ones are longer if I remember right,not sure on the gti but if you do fit the rear dust shied I found one of the bolts doesn't line up right mine are held on by 3
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The standard rear hoses will fit, also don't bother with rear dust guards just bend the gti outwards slightly!
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I couldn't bend mine out the way as they were tiny so for the price of them just changed them
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Now I have them the pads could do with being replaced. I've never found the GTI brakes to be lacking so I don't think I need performance pads really. Where's the best place to buy standard pads?
Cheers :happy2:
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about the winter wheels thing im sure these fit behind 17" monzas if thats what wheels
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about the winter wheels thing im sure these fit behind 17" monzas if thats what wheels
The wheels I had for winter were 16" Audi wheels so no chance :ashamed:
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Why change/upgrade the brakes then fit standard hoses again? Your upgrading to improve braking so why not improve pedal feel and eliminate that spongyness too! More so from a cost point of view too, you can have aftermarket like our HEL ones for the same price or slightly less with mk5 forum discount! :wink:
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Details of these lines please... ;-)
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Offer is permenantly in the discounts section here - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30570.0.html
We tend to be doing at least half a dozen sets of custom lines a day most weeks now for people changing brake systems to ones from other cars. We have all the listings for OEM specs so its not hard to work out whats needed other than sometimes a bit of extra length depending on where the new caliper mounts and where the hose sits, but in terms of VAG conversion hoses we are pretty sorted in that dept, and also supply the likes of Dave B from this forum with his lines for all the non-std kits he offers for the Mk5/6's....
Just drop us a pm if we can be of any help. :happy2:
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Thanks for the mention. I was advised that standard hoses would be more than capable :happy2:
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They will be and are I'm sure capable, but will still expand as with all OEM rubber hoses under pressure/load, causing 'spongyness' in the pedal. You dont get that in braided hoses as the teflon they are made with doesnt expand so you get firm pedal response all the time.
Not that many people keep their cars this long anyway but from a time point of view the rubber ones will last 4-7 years max before failing on corrosion (depending on where you live, ie near the coast) whilst ours and other braided hose manufacturers come with a lifetime warranty.
Not a sales pitch here btw, just stating the facts FYI :happy2:
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They will be and are I'm sure capable, but will still expand as with all OEM rubber hoses under pressure/load, causing 'spongyness' in the pedal. You dont get that in braided hoses as the teflon they are made with doesnt expand so you get firm pedal response all the time.
Not that many people keep their cars this long anyway but from a time point of view the rubber ones will last 4-7 years max before failing on corrosion (depending on where you live, ie near the coast) whilst ours and other braided hose manufacturers come with a lifetime warranty.
Not a sales pitch here btw, just stating the facts FYI :happy2:
I have an R32 Kit which i had on my previous car and i have put on my new car. It has OEM R32 Hoses and i certainly don't have any sponginess in the pedal. :confused:
I thought it was only beneficial to go with Braided Hoses & better fluid if you were tracking it a lot due to increase in fluid temps?
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Strangely enough my Edition 30 with R32 fronts, my Mk5 R32 with R32 fronts (really?) and my Octavia with R32 fronts all have/had OEM hoses without the spongy pedal. :confused: :popcornsoda:
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mine doesn't have a spongy pedal with the r32 brakes fitted right round with oem flexi pipes
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Brakes are now on & working really well. There is a noise from the front left side when braking lightly. Upon inspectio. There's a small dent/chip on the disc which presumably is causing the noise. Is this going to cause me grief or just be a bit annoying?
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As long as it isn't cracked then it should be fine and just be a bit annoying. Inspect regularly though and at the first sign of cracking change the discs.
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As long as it isn't cracked then it should be fine and just be a bit annoying. Inspect regularly though and at the first sign of cracking change the discs.
Thanks :happy2: Just what I wanted to hear
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Only stating facts, the guy has already fitted OEM hoses so not pitching in for a sale :scared:
Rubber hose expands under pressure, thats what happens. The only way this is transmitted to the driver is through the pedal. Whether or not you've experienced or felt it before this is when the pedal has a small amount of travel (spongyness), this being the air in the system caused by the expansion and retraction of the rubber hose.
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I thought all oem hoses were braided anyway? Just with a rubber coating... They are certainly not just rubber tubes...
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Offer is permenantly in the discounts section here - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30570.0.html
We tend to be doing at least half a dozen sets of custom lines a day most weeks now for people changing brake systems to ones from other cars. We have all the listings for OEM specs so its not hard to work out whats needed other than sometimes a bit of extra length depending on where the new caliper mounts and where the hose sits, but in terms of VAG conversion hoses we are pretty sorted in that dept, and also supply the likes of Dave B from this forum with his lines for all the non-std kits he offers for the Mk5/6's....
Just drop us a pm if we can be of any help. :happy2:
I have never ever bought a set of Brake lines from this company.........so now I'm confused.
I also specify my own hoses to my own custom spec and don't use HEL's drawings.......
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Apologies my bad Dave, I know you use our (HEL) stuff to make your own custom spec lines and buy through a dealer of ours. :happy2: (Same people HEL/Dubtek, the latter is just a personal offshoot owing to my own interest in VAG world)
And Dom no there is certainly no inner 'braid' on a rubber OEM hose. Sometimes a cotton reinforcement within the hose wall itself, but not specifically a braided section. Even if there was the fact that the rubber would still expand and contract under pressure would still mean you'd experience the same problem.
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Ahh Ok....hence my confusion...
Still waiting on a correct fitting for rear hoses to get them to fit into the caliper - if you need a sample let me know, be worthwhile doing as they're rife through VAG B5/B7 A4, A6. Mk5 Platform TT's
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Apologies my bad Dave, I know you use our (HEL) stuff to make your own custom spec lines and buy through a dealer of ours. :happy2: (Same people HEL/Dubtek, the latter is just a personal offshoot owing to my own interest in VAG world)
And Dom no there is certainly no inner 'braid' on a rubber OEM hose. Sometimes a cotton reinforcement within the hose wall itself, but not specifically a braided section. Even if there was the fact that the rubber would still expand and contract under pressure would still mean you'd experience the same problem.
Surely if that was the case every OEM car would be experiencing the same thing? Surely there would be a mass recall due to owners complaining of a "Spongy" pedal.
I understand what you are saying with regards the rubbber. However i think you are over exaggerating this so called problem. There are plenty of people on this forum and other forums that i go on who are using OEM brake lines and i've never heard anyone complain of any type of spongy pedal feel unless they have been on a track. Usually that has been from people who have been on standard 312's and then it's more likely to be fade rather than sponginess.
Does any manufacturer fit braided hoses as standard? Even the RS Audi's have Rubber hoses and they are cars which have 400+ bhp!
Maybe you should have a read through this thread again :smiley:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14411.0.html
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surely the need for performance lines would be for track use only? you shouldnt really need them on the road guys...
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Whats this a hose witchhunt with a braided hose manufacturer who's merely stated the advantages of fitting braided over rubber when changing, and NOT suggested anything else?! :surprised:
Not once have I said that people have complained about spongey pedals (merely said that fitting braided reduces this), but seen as you mention fade, how about other problems induced partly by rubber hoses such as rubber absorbing water vapour into the brake fluid which in turn affects the fluid, one of a few reasons for brake fade - Brake fluid is hydroscopic which means it has an affinity to water and absorbs water from the air. When brake fluid absorbs water it’s boiling point drops rapidly. (Taken from our own brake doctor section of our site - http://www.helperformance.com/brake-doctor/index.php?page=5#Reducing fluid fade (http://www.helperformance.com/brake-doctor/index.php?page=5#Reducing fluid fade)
Seems to be alot of confusion of this spongy pedal business, perhaps the industry term for this pedal feeling is a little overawed and is making people think its this massive amount of play in the pedal, its not at all - Simple question I'd ask people is do you really all have brake pedals that give you instant pressure, the minute you put ANY pressure on the brake pedal no matter how slight you get instant braking response? I'd say no, in which case you have experienced the 'spongy' feel, as slight as that may be on a road car to some people.
However, not interested in the continuation of this 'ive not got a spongey pedal business', as its being totally over egged, so i'm out from here.... :happy2:
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Dave - Can you send me a picture to ben.viner@helperformance.com and I'll take a look, or drop us a sample in the post?
Always looking to improve kits/specs/fittings, which is why we are now looking to supply new bracket clips/circlips to hold the hoses in place correctly with every kit now, off the back of good feedback from dealers about people such as yourself and the kits you compile to ensure you always have a happy customer, not one who's had to fiddle around getting hoses to fit right :happy2:
Ahh Ok....hence my confusion...
Still waiting on a correct fitting for rear hoses to get them to fit into the caliper - if you need a sample let me know, be worthwhile doing as they're rife through VAG B5/B7 A4, A6. Mk5 Platform TT's
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Whats this a hose witchhunt with a braided hose manufacturer who's merely stated the advantages of fitting braided over rubber when changing, and NOT suggested anything else?! :surprised:
Not once have I said that people have complained about spongey pedals (merely said that fitting braided reduces this), but seen as you mention fade, how about other problems induced partly by rubber hoses such as rubber absorbing water vapour into the brake fluid which in turn affects the fluid, one of a few reasons for brake fade - Brake fluid is hydroscopic which means it has an affinity to water and absorbs water from the air. When brake fluid absorbs water it’s boiling point drops rapidly. (Taken from our own brake doctor section of our site - http://www.helperformance.com/brake-doctor/index.php?page=5#Reducing fluid fade (http://www.helperformance.com/brake-doctor/index.php?page=5#Reducing fluid fade)
Seems to be alot of confusion of this spongy pedal business, perhaps the industry term for this pedal feeling is a little overawed and is making people think its this massive amount of play in the pedal, its not at all - Simple question I'd ask people is do you really all have brake pedals that give you instant pressure, the minute you put ANY pressure on the brake pedal no matter how slight you get instant braking response? I'd say no, in which case you have experienced the 'spongy' feel, as slight as that may be on a road car to some people.
However, not interested in the continuation of this 'ive not got a spongey pedal business', as its being totally over egged, so i'm out from here.... :happy2:
Ok to put it simply for you. I think your talking utter crap now. Not about the technical aspect but about this fabled expanding OEM hoses. If OEM hoses where that bad then I'm quite sure manufacturers would be made to fit braided hoses as OEM by law. Given the fact the hoses is the ONLY link between the brakes working or not. No hose no brakes its that simple. Yes I know there is other parts to the braking system but the hoses are the critical link. So in my mind your trying to advise someone to buy a product for a road car that it is not needed. If they were going for track work then yes i would fully agree but on a road car no.
What about the problems with braided hoses like inability to see slow leaks? As I said earlier it can't be as bad as you are saying otherwise all these 400+ bhp / near 2 Ton RS Audis would have Braided as standard along with other manufacturers of high performance cars
To answer your question about pedal feel, yes soon as i touch the pedal on mine pressure is applied to the brakes.