MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Members Rides => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 09:11:35 pm

Title: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 09:11:35 pm
Time for a proper build thread  now it looks like im keeping the car.  i call it the golf cart, others namely hedge and carl in their family saloons call it the homomobile, but i think its jealousy :grin:

Starting spec + options
2011 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI (180) DSG7
Heated seats
Climate control
Cruise control
Black alloys
Black Roof

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2FSDC12562.jpg&hash=1b26a271a9421c1a5ebd038c04b07c036135b33d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2FSDC12559.jpg&hash=cb4cf271939fec7d75ffcc2b6a1ef25c8e0549b8)

Had it dyno'd with only 192 miles on the clock
180ps=177hp, so pretty muhch bang on the money
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fimg002.jpg&hash=4fae0b1f16a1a3dbb727670df4ac58f395145eb9)

Speaking to Ben @ Shark Performance and he asked me if he could use the golf cart as the development car in exchange for a free remap (only 800 miles on the clock  :scared:) but i went for it.

Took it up to him, but was on a tight schedule, and ended up leaving the car with him for a couple weeks, and leaving in his wives 1.8T A4 Avant, no longer with plans of just going stage 1, instead we were going for a decat OEM downpipe (ala Jon-TFSI) and a slightly water down stage 2 map.

Dyno'd again on DD rollers.

Red Curve = Stock software with Decat OEM downpipe
Blue curve = Stage 1+/2 remap with decat OEM downpipe

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fimg004.jpg&hash=8a4d320831108b236bacce2c8a74590fb3a2b0d9)

Chuffed to bits with the gains although not 100% on the accuracy of the torque as it was substantially higher on those DD rollers compared to my most recent run @ JKMs DD rollers.

Whilst at JKm i decided to fit my new black front grill surround

Before:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p42nd4FIYqc/TeY5nk1d3bI/AAAAAAAACIE/ZWz3nCa8XkM/s800/SDC12561.jpg)

After:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tsucX_dnfKw/Tfy74eAzSTI/AAAAAAAACfQ/Pfqc67fL6mY/s800/SDC12815.JPG)


Bought a Forge intake from Jason on SCN for the tidy sum of £80, and a spare OEM downpipe to stay legal when not on track.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ybvo_cMCeBw/TfqNfpFKzWI/AAAAAAAACec/byFbHnrIT-I/s800/SDC12814.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V0Phq4OBMQE/Tfy8U4KwIsI/AAAAAAAACfY/ANIiz9TnR2o/s800/SDC12817.JPG)

Most recent rolling road day from JKM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rnFF86bjnt0/Tfy7mnFjrXI/AAAAAAAACfM/PpriJ6_gc7U/s800/img001.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zsvxyoG6iHo/Tfy7jT-4ExI/AAAAAAAACfI/h2b7BFD_QNY/s800/img002.jpg)

Also got marginally better figures than an Ibiza Cupra with stage 2 revo & full TBE on the day as well  as well, so considering his outlay of around £1700 im chuffed to bits with my results for what is only a total of £140 outlay by myself.





Title: Re: the Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 09:11:47 pm
Got invited to turn up on Shark Performances Stand, so i popped her 1/4 mile cherry on the Saturday of GTI international, and spent a fair wack of money going up and down the strip.  Weather wasnt ideal on the saturday, nice and cool, but with the headwind and sporadic rain.  Not 100% happy with my times compared to the 1.4TSI 1/4 mile leaderboard but they are all times from crail and santa pod, so not sure how comparable.  On the day she seemed to be holding her own anyway.

Got spanked by a twin turbo R32 with circa 500hp, i saw his 1/4 time flash up by the time i had got the the electronic notice board halfway up  :grin:
Beat
Mk2 leon cupra stage 2,
stripped out mk2 Golf with VR6 engine,
Stage 2 De-DPF vRS stage 2,
Justins stage 2+ GTI twice,
Stage 3 mk1 Fabia twice amongst a few others. 

Heres some of the results of the day
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1iKn1YcmVpY/TgZDNcc_PMI/AAAAAAAACiY/jBG05aMv7wI/s640/img001.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-inHBluWIC58/TiRTkruL06I/AAAAAAAACrM/LQ6UmCyuOPM/s800/001.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tzmV76OS1j4/TiRTlebbf5I/AAAAAAAACrQ/QzK-G1_Uqr4/s800/002.JPG)



Me and nick perry in his stage 2 De-DPF vRS
http://s756.photobucket.com/albums/xx202/simonskerton/?action=view&current=SDC12821.mp4 (http://s756.photobucket.com/albums/xx202/simonskerton/?action=view&current=SDC12821.mp4)
Title: Re: the Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 09:12:05 pm
Done with power mods now. 

Mods to do

Intercooler
Uprated radiator
Rear ARB
Uprated suspension of some sort
4 pot 312mm front brakes and 282mm rear upgrade.
Uprated coil packs and spark plugs
Heat tape for the downpipe

Some weight loss:

25kg of ballast weights is contained in the rear bumper and thats coming out, lightweight battery, lightweight wheels, and sund proofing for the supercharger is being taken off.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Blade on July 26, 2011, 09:57:04 pm
Nice to see your build thread Sy. Interested to see some pics of the supercharger strip down when you do it. Wonder if i,ve got some ballast in my rear bumper?.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 09:59:39 pm
Nice to see your build thread Sy. Interested to see some pics of the supercharger strip down when you do it. Wonder if i,ve got some ballast in my rear bumper?.

If the Journo reviews are to be believed, it was added to stop the car oversteering apparently, so we'll be getting rid of that then  :grin:  AFAIK it is only the vRS which has it, prob why the vRS is the heaviest of all the 3 platform cars it shares the platform with
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Hedge on July 26, 2011, 10:07:17 pm
Tell us about the grille install?  :notworthy:  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: vRS Carl on July 26, 2011, 10:09:02 pm
Tell us about the grille install?  :notworthy:  :popcornsoda:

 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 26, 2011, 10:11:47 pm
Tell us about the grille install?  :notworthy:  :popcornsoda:

It was a work of art that required a steady hand and patience








with your leatherman  :grin:  havent seen the pics yet from thor :laugh:

Tell us about the grille install?  :notworthy:  :popcornsoda:

 :grin: :grin: :grin:

you would have been impressed.  Some say i have the touch of a rapist, other say that doesnt do me any justice  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 27, 2011, 07:39:53 am

The gayest car I've ever seen.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 28, 2011, 06:21:34 pm

The gayest car I've ever seen.

Thats how i role  :innocent:

Been looking into some weight loss options today.  Thinking about the braile battery you have bought 

Potential savings

3kg/corner for wheels so circa 12kg saving
lighter front  brake calipers/discs around 2.5kg per corner lighter so circa 5kg saving
Remove the weight ballast in rear bumper 25kg saving
Lighter battery 15kg saving
Supercharger sound-proofing 2.5kg

So everyday weight saving of 59.5kg

The for 1/4 mile and track days the rear seats, spare tyre, and tool kit are 49.5kg so potentially 100kg of weight loss which should make quite a difference.

Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: vRS Carl on July 28, 2011, 06:28:17 pm
I wish you would make your mind up!! One minute your getting rid and next your wanting to strip it out and make it lighter.

You can tell your Gay as your as indecisive as Alan Carr :signLOL:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Janner_Sy on July 28, 2011, 06:35:26 pm
I wish you would make your mind up!! One minute your getting rid and next your wanting to strip it out and make it lighter.

You can tell your Gay as your as indecisive as Alan Carr :signLOL:
i was getting rid, until i informed the missus who was not best chuffed with that idea, mostly as i never even told her i was buying the car in the first place, i just put the deposit down off my own back :laugh: and dealt with the consequences.

So mostly ill keep it for a while now i think.  Thinking of building an extreme off road landrover as a hobby
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: vRS Carl on July 28, 2011, 06:57:45 pm
Is that so you have more room in the back for gay gangbangs? :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: GarethB on July 28, 2011, 07:08:10 pm
Been looking into some weight loss options today.  Thinking about the braile battery you have bought 

Potential savings

3kg/corner for wheels so circa 12kg saving
lighter front  brake calipers/discs around 2.5kg per corner lighter so circa 5kg saving
Remove the weight ballast in rear bumper 25kg saving
Lighter battery 15kg saving
Supercharger sound-proofing 2.5kg

So everyday weight saving of 59.5kg

The for 1/4 mile and track days the rear seats, spare tyre, and tool kit are 49.5kg so potentially 100kg of weight loss which should make quite a difference.



Be interesting to see the performance difference with that diet!
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Hedge on July 28, 2011, 07:56:19 pm
You can tell your Gay as your as indecisive as Alan Carr :signLOL:

 :laugh:

Pitch or catch? Mmm can't decide. Both then.  :booty: :booty:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: damoegan on July 28, 2011, 08:35:56 pm
Needs a tap with the lowering stick to make it a little less "gay", Sy  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on July 28, 2011, 08:44:22 pm
Needs a tap with the lowering stick to make it a little less "gay", Sy  :happy2:

Agreed,

to make it a 'camp' wagon instead of the full on homomobile...
Title: Re: JannerSy's Golf Cart aka the Homomobile
Post by: damoegan on July 28, 2011, 08:45:24 pm
Needs a tap with the lowering stick to make it a little less "gay", Sy  :happy2:

Agreed,

to make it a 'camp' wagon instead of the full on homomobile...

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 16, 2011, 05:44:53 pm
Small update. 

Here's some pictures of my last track day, not managed any more yet as I've been mega busy in kenya, can't see me getting many next year either tbh.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mmq6iMtvpwg/Tj2cWFPn4xI/AAAAAAAACxA/BW7iTmXfMHQ/s800/XSP_1273.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UzY1-9_54OU/Tj2cYB8xR0I/AAAAAAAACxI/8UsBeuRk9SM/s800/XSP_1274.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YA2TNmq41jk/Tj2cXxmT9fI/AAAAAAAACxE/H-gWg6wulGk/s800/XSP_1313.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tWEImrW4MzQ/Tj2cniAotnI/AAAAAAAACxQ/Hsb6g5fDTu4/s800/XSP_1315.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gauBAStZRcQ/Tj2c4x6le2I/AAAAAAAACxg/dtzzvB5O_iE/s800/XSP_7111_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8V3LZwVlVpc/Tj2dEsR_VsI/AAAAAAAACxo/Xfq0NiQBfh8/s800/XSP_7196_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SZ11IjnpMBo/Tj2dI0YHYJI/AAAAAAAACxw/UsipzLTDFJA/s800/XSP_7351_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7fNne2hd3ek/Tj2dU3oBl_I/AAAAAAAACx0/3cUC6mzHbqs/s800/XSP_7396_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nMEpufOcBTs/Tj2dZD5P40I/AAAAAAAACx8/RYEmGJAjW2o/s800/XSP_7397_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aFjFUggIsd8/Tj2dY0DmSpI/AAAAAAAACx4/oH-qYQ_rvQE/s800/XSP_7820.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0HgJ-60W8nw/Tj2d2H9c0kI/AAAAAAAACyM/wiiZF6uylEk/s800/XSP_7923.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Mpfy4onBBqQ/Tj2eFF0xrDI/AAAAAAAACyc/CJ5WbQ1DuEk/s800/XSP_7986.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Zi65Do8iVMk/Tj2eI_kRkQI/AAAAAAAACyk/J4ESYKQiaXI/s800/XSP_8001.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b3K3dfHJGNs/Tj2eWxGkxNI/AAAAAAAACyo/t3UsST7fhA8/s800/XSP_8024.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--CNpzhWBYLw/Tj2iLNXp2TI/AAAAAAAAC0E/wdFKS6EyHr4/s800/XSP_0657_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Jc1C0auwL8M/Tj2iEAqBl9I/AAAAAAAACz8/YUs1smQCez0/s800/XSP_0656_exposure.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-34W8Oxgn-2I/Tj2ir6IEDDI/AAAAAAAAC0c/d-45vktUKbw/s800/XSP_1234.JPG)

Some comedy body roll for you

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jEGgNP3mc48/Tj2i0uXAIII/AAAAAAAAC0k/OE_GjduMAro/s800/XSP_1269.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ir7XaAlh3Cc/Tj2i9VkoUyI/AAAAAAAAC0o/OeqVH0br4B4/s800/XSP_1270.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T_5PYWZlr78/Tj2jDMWeOiI/AAAAAAAAC0w/AQtpgSgZhI4/s800/XSP_1271.JPG)

And me in the gravel trap at Yentwood

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UDyRWp17uAc/Tj2pie2BpJI/AAAAAAAAC1c/Vzl2dp10H0M/s800/286836_10150252258271143_542691142_7939880_2666545_o.jpg)


This is about 10% of the gravel that was there.  Had gravel inside the subframe, brakes, calipers, suspensipn, undertra etc etc.  took ages to clean out

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OvpfmsVnKic/Tj2pndRFKJI/AAAAAAAAC1k/ZV6DOltX-tY/s800/286568_10150252273386143_542691142_7939964_6848383_o.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hAQk4v5LElM/Tj2pjkGMLxI/AAAAAAAAC1g/Uyci0AYDe8o/s640/286849_10150252259756143_542691142_7939888_95511_o.jpg)

And a few randoms

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NbO14H3q3jo/Tj2e3wyWtDI/AAAAAAAACys/J2bEN9sltGM/s800/SDC13112.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Pder_zIqyaQ/Tj2f17Gae6I/AAAAAAAACzE/QguRWYziRJs/s800/SDC13117.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6aGT-SqDKYs/Tj2gVvy405I/AAAAAAAACzI/wq-0l23kSfE/s800/SDC13118.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VeVALqfwWvE/Tj2gXjmEojI/AAAAAAAACzM/Mo7x7VPrb8A/s800/SDC13119.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vJJZ5pWOz0A/Tj2hGs92tHI/AAAAAAAACzc/nyUsWvZeKoE/s800/SDC13122.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_ET7Pi0wEMY/Tj2hT-xFhDI/AAAAAAAACzk/pg6KLKS_LZo/s800/SDC13123.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tyYs5ZdbZ1g/Tj2h0L2UD1I/AAAAAAAACzs/qjXXH3GIPTA/s800/SDC13124.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IZ_CllWcuUo/Tj2h04Br3yI/AAAAAAAACz0/WamLLM5trao/s800/SDC13125.JPG)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 16, 2011, 05:52:22 pm
gone on a little holiday to Pace Performance Products in cambridge


She's having a new intercooler designed and fitted over the next couple weeks as well as an uprated radiator. having my car done in two stages though. Intercooler first of all. Whilst my car is in bits they will be taking all the radiator off for redesign etc and that will be completed after christmas.

They are now branching into VAG as we speak after developing on the S3, S4 already, with mine and a mk2 octavia vRS ready for development, so another new option.
She's having a new intercooler designed and fitted over the next couple weeks as well as an uprated radiator.

They treated me to a tour of their factory which was very impressive. They develop, and produce all their own intercooler/radiator cores on site (unlike lots of others who buy them in) They took me through all the different stages of construction from making the tubes, the welding and testing process etc etc. Very very professional outfit, who are working on some crazy crazy custom jobs forBIG power japenese cars.

Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Hedge on November 16, 2011, 05:54:42 pm
So good you said it twice.  :confused:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 16, 2011, 05:56:44 pm
SOunds very interesting Sy.  I wonder if they would be interested in developing a Cupra radiator or have a fan alternative to solve the clearance issue with BSH pipe.

Why do you need an uprated radiator on the Homo mobile?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 16, 2011, 06:00:50 pm
So good you said it twice.  :confused:

Posting on a tablet whilst on a train is nails.

You would have loved it there though ian. The boss sponsors the classic car racing series's etc and there were loads of tricked out vintage racers at the back being repaired for rich owners. Think they are on the website as well
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 16, 2011, 06:13:32 pm
SOunds very interesting Sy.  I wonder if they would be interested in developing a Cupra radiator or have a fan alternative to solve the clearance issue with BSH pipe.

Why do you need an uprated radiator on the Homo mobile?

Might do. Intercooler is free as for development,  the radiator is discounted.

The 1.4TSI engine develops some extreme heat on track days, bloody scary.

Oil temps almost into the 130degree area at peaks, the block gets sso hot it causes issues with spark plugs etc, so im looking at updated radiator, intercooler, oil cooler, water methanol injection, intercooler spray,heatwrap for manifold and downpipe and a turbo heat shield.

Less heat = more power+ longevity

Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 16, 2011, 06:15:48 pm
SOunds very interesting Sy.  I wonder if they would be interested in developing a Cupra radiator or have a fan alternative to solve the clearance issue with BSH pipe.

Why do you need an uprated radiator on the Homo mobile?

Might do. Intercooler is free as for development,  the radiator is discounted.

The 1.4TSI engine develops some extreme heat on track days, bloody scary.

Oil temps almost into the 130degree area at peaks, the block gets sso hot it causes issues with spark plugs etc, so im looking at updated radiator, intercooler, oil cooler, water methanol injection, intercooler spray,heatwrap for manifold and downpipe and a turbo heat shield.

Less heat = more power+ longevity



Propper focus on heat control there  :happy2:

 If I manage to actually get my hands on the bsh pipe Ill look into a slim radiator or slim fans
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 04:38:13 pm

Originally the plan was to get the intercooler fitted now, and the radiator after xmas when funds allow, but do the full R&D for both now.

Change of plan by them, they want to do a combined package instead, as its very tightly packaged and could have ended up being a compromise.  Going to be more expensive than a normal intercooler system, but it will be alot more efficient than it would have been.

This is how she is looking now and its not a pretty sight:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ARHqIijuuRU/TsaG_WUYQVI/AAAAAAAAC80/mUlH15I7NRQ/s288/001.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_I5CgQho1tQ/TsaHOaThpcI/AAAAAAAAC9E/kJVVn9XhesA/s912/002.jpg)

Plastic end tanks will be replaced with alloy which is great for cooling.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xiZadqLW_hQ/TsaG79DN6vI/AAAAAAAAC8o/86fk62ZQwqg/w357-h269-k/005.jpg)

I guess this is the new core.  He said they plan on the core being 10 mm thicker and 45 mm taller, which combined with the new alloy end tanks should make a fairly large difference.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ki9xff0s-k8/TsaG7ggvnxI/AAAAAAAAC8k/IrAo2YhfC18/s288/006.jpg)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 04:39:54 pm

 :notworthy: :notworthy:

Nice one Sy.  Got plenty of before logs?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 04:44:50 pm
Shark Performance do.  

Have new plugs to go in the car, then i need the new ECU update from VAG, then a visit to Shark Performance to have the stage 2 map turned up to its proper output.

Whats even better is i was getting the intercooler for free, and paying for the radiator, but because they have decided to do it as a ful package instead, im getting both for free.  So probably over £1k worth of free goodies.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 18, 2011, 04:45:43 pm

Look forward to an outing in the Homomobile  :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart
Post by: vRS Carl on November 18, 2011, 04:48:39 pm
So good you said it twice.  :confused:

 :grin: :grin: :notworthy:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: vRS Carl on November 18, 2011, 04:51:10 pm
then i need the new ECU update from VAG, then a visit to Shark Performance to have the stage 2 map turned up to its proper output.

You best hope that doesn't lock it even though i will find it funny as fook if it does!! :scared: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 04:52:56 pm
then i need the new ECU update from VAG, then a visit to Shark Performance to have the stage 2 map turned up to its proper output.

You best hope that doesn't lock it even though i will find it funny as fook if it does!! :scared: :evilgrin:

It will just overwrite the existing map so ill be stock.  Loads of guys have done it.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: vRS Carl on November 18, 2011, 04:56:50 pm
Roger  :happy2:

However Audi issued an ECU update for the A5 3.0 TDi which returned the car to Stock AND locked it out. The only way to map then was ECU out and open up job.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 05:00:32 pm
Roger  :happy2:

However Audi issued an ECU update for the A5 3.0 TDi which returned the car to Stock AND locked it out. The only way to map then was ECU out and open up job.
They had to open mine any way, so its no big loss
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: vRS Carl on November 18, 2011, 05:06:24 pm
Roger  :happy2:

However Audi issued an ECU update for the A5 3.0 TDi which returned the car to Stock AND locked it out. The only way to map then was ECU out and open up job.
They had to open mine any way, so its no big loss

Roger. Thought you had done it through STS.

What you using for transport whilst the homomobile is having the semen removed? :evilgrin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hedge on November 18, 2011, 05:12:52 pm

Look forward to an outing in the Homomobile  :smiley:

That has a hole different meaning in the Homomobile.  :surprised:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on November 18, 2011, 05:32:14 pm
Looking good Sy, I'm still interested in the I/C and Rad combo, although I have already agreed to let Forge loose on mine for fitment to the Polo GTI. I wonder if I can get them to enlarge the core a little  :evilgrin:

What about the bonnet venting I mentioned by PM? You still thinking about it or going for it?

Now THIS is a homomobile Sy.  :evilgrin:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fee196%2Fladybee973%2Fu21t1201550194.jpg&hash=12a1cc75d0607f09c4eed65d7811093d9b49c411)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 05:44:41 pm
Looking good Sy, I'm still interested in the I/C and Rad combo, although I have already agreed to let Forge loose on mine for fitment to the Polo GTI. I wonder if I can get them to enlarge the core a little  :evilgrin:

What about the bonnet venting I mentioned by PM? You still thinking about it or going for it?

Now THIS is a homomobile Sy.  :evilgrin:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fee196%2Fladybee973%2Fu21t1201550194.jpg&hash=12a1cc75d0607f09c4eed65d7811093d9b49c411)

This one isn't as big as i was expecting, but should still have loads more volume.

Forge almost had mine for the development, but i thought they were bbuying a bit tight asking for £250 and having to travel to and throw their HQ 3-4 times. Id be near enough paying full price for the privaledge of them using my car.  Glad i never as the guy who has been lending them his car has been to and thro a fair few times now.

Not sure on the vent, it,ll be the last thing i do, will try this radiator, oil cooler and heat wrap etc  first
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: damoegan on November 18, 2011, 05:51:54 pm
What you using for transport whilst the homomobile is having the semen removed? :evilgrin:

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Jussa on November 18, 2011, 05:55:06 pm
Looking good Sy   :congrats:
Are u getting ready for our Inters 1/4 mile meet up next year  :evilgrin:
Revenge is imminent  :booty:
What the hell u doing in Kenya, and whereabouts are u there?  I lived there for 4 years, couldn't do it again though  :stupid:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 06:22:10 pm
Im back from kenya now.  We were 2 hours north of nairobi in a town called Nanyuki.

Were doing alot of construction work there, and i was designing the electrical installation or some of the parts.

Ill be in Afghan next year when inters is on, so ill have to beat you again another time  :P.  My aim is for a 13.5second 1/4 time, so you should smash me anyway, even with a slow launch.  Reckon we could be close on a 0-60 launch though :party:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Jussa on November 18, 2011, 07:05:47 pm
Mmmm, not sure what a stage 2+ S3 would get on the 1/4 mile?
I reckon the 0-60 time should deffo be sub 5 seconds though  :evilgrin:
Can't wait to try the launching with the DSG.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on November 18, 2011, 07:59:27 pm
Did you get any further with the DSG software Sy?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 18, 2011, 08:02:00 pm
We had a death I the family so i had to collect the car before it was finished.  Still haven't taken it back yet.  Will take it to them after the IC/rad/exhaust/ecu update and plugs are all sorted, then dsg and remap tweakage.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 19, 2011, 12:05:24 pm


We had a death I the family so i had to collect the car before it was finished.  Still haven't taken it back yet.  Will take it to them after the IC/rad/exhaust/ecu update and plugs are all sorted, then dsg and remap tweakage.

Sorry to hear the bad news Sy.




Have you tried a NQS BBK yet Sy?  Should be over in a few weeks so you can sample how they stop the heavy Leon.  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 19, 2011, 12:29:51 pm


We had a death I the family so i had to collect the car before it was finished.  Still haven't taken it back yet.  Will take it to them after the IC/rad/exhaust/ecu update and plugs are all sorted, then dsg and remap tweakage.
Sorry to hear the bad news Sy.
Have you tried a NQS BBK yet Sy?  Should be over in a few weeks so you can sample how they stop the heavy Leon.  :happy2:

Not so much me, but the wife has now lost both grandparents, so she took it hard.

Have tried the NQS BBK once but not hard.  Ill have a good stomp on yours to see, mine are woeful.  I dont want to go for a big setup as its extra weight, but i also want to keep things looking as OEM as possible, hence why im also looking at the mk4 R32 Twinpot 323mm front brakes.  They should be a massive improvement, one extra pot per caliper and an extra 35mm in disc diameter
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 07, 2011, 07:17:52 pm
Intercooler and radiator are now fitted to my car.  Very impressed with the final product.

Definite improvement in response, and most importantly the power not only felt stronger, but i never noticed any power loss at all, which i normally do after 3-4 WOT runs.  Its most noticeable at higher speeds though.

I gave the car a really good workout after picking her up, and im pretty certain there's a notable temperature drop in the engine bay compared to normal.  Granted its colder outside than before but im pretty sure its better than it was by a fair margin.

And to put the icing on the cake, not only did they wash and clean my car, after i had explained to them that my oil temps were hitting 130degrees on track and was abit worried so they also replaced my oil with Motul 300V 5W/40 oil which has a much higher temperature range than the stock oils.   As well as this they swapped my coolant for Motul MoCool to help keep temperatures in check.

Stock IC Dimensions
80mm Tube Width
96mm Stack Height
617mm Tube Length
= 4.73 litres
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gKicSCgSua0/Tt-3EdXvQJI/AAAAAAAAC_M/2j_iK4VJCzg/s720/IMG_20111207_183606.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPNdpE2nV4Y/Tt-3E5Qh9yI/AAAAAAAAC_M/qVxmc2ecsiE/s720/IMG_20111207_183617.jpg)

Pace Products IC Dimensions
90mm tube width
145 stack height
550mm tube length
= 7.17 litres
= 35% increase  :star:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Erzo_uu7Q_s/Tt-xR-t3g-I/AAAAAAAAC90/q_yL5izgJ2M/s912/021.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_MBqCb2dgZ8/Tt-xPE9PMMI/AAAAAAAAC9s/PcjU7_kjE_4/s912/022.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hQx8ttO17qg/Tt-xTW8ycKI/AAAAAAAAC98/glQem6CYeMg/s912/023.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4ZtInN0iu2o/Tt-xbXt0tUI/AAAAAAAAC-E/CJhlbth2GDs/s912/024.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-886w3mKrS1g/Tt-xcD792XI/AAAAAAAAC-I/ys67JXQraOQ/s912/020.jpg)

Cant find the pics of the Rad at the moment, will post them up tomorrow
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: damoegan on December 07, 2011, 08:17:47 pm
The stock cooler is weeny @ 4.7L, thats a nice improvement from the new cooler  :happy2:

Looks like they have done a good job for you mate  :driver: :driver:

Does the 1.4TSI come in any other form in the Fabia? I was sat behind a brand new one today , looked stock (ie, no VRs styling) but had a TSI badge on the rear!!
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 07, 2011, 08:48:59 pm
1.2TSI but isnt twincharged.  Theres also a non twincharged 1.4TSI available in the octavia
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on December 07, 2011, 11:14:10 pm
That looks a rather sexy piece of kit Sy  :love:

How much extra weight do you think it adds?

What is you "bum dyno" telling you?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 07, 2011, 11:24:43 pm
It will be heavier but there's no way around that.  Modified intercoolers are the same material as stock so ifyou make it bigger its going to be heavier.

Bum dyno say more top end power and its consistent as well.  It wont be on the rollers and my map re tuned to the full blown stage 2 along with the new exhaust until february due to unforeseen cicumstances
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on December 07, 2011, 11:37:36 pm
I don't mind a little extra weight for a little extra reliability elsewhere.  :smiley:

My plans are also on hold for extra power until the DSG map is available.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Jussa on December 08, 2011, 12:11:14 am
Sy, why you holding off on the extra power until the DSG map comes about?
Also, what other power mods were you planning  :party:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on December 08, 2011, 10:16:45 am
Both myself and Sy are nearing the software torque limit for the Gearbox. A DSG remap would up the limit and enable further tuning.  :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Jussa on December 08, 2011, 02:37:12 pm
So I assume the DSG box in your cars are different to the GTi's ED30's and S3 etc.
How many DSG variants are there?  :confused:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 08, 2011, 04:18:04 pm
Yours is a 6spd wet gearbox.  Ours is a 7spd dry gearbox.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: keano on December 08, 2011, 09:16:13 pm
Yours is a 6spd wet gearbox.  Ours is a 7spd dry gearbox.

Show off!  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Jussa on December 08, 2011, 09:45:49 pm
Which 1 is better then?   :confused:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 08, 2011, 09:56:55 pm
Yours will take more power, apparently the 7spd has a faster shift and is more efficient, in reality theyare both good
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 09, 2011, 07:06:47 pm
Here you go these are the pics of the radiator

Stock radiator
Dimensions
28mm thick x 730 wide x 410 high = around 8.4litres

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Lo0QtAkDX_A/Tt-3E1qVmZI/AAAAAAAAC_M/m-DGlJW9qT8/s912/IMG_20111207_185111.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f8yL3fLNAPs/Tt-3I6maMwI/AAAAAAAAC_M/xkQFWtdJRSA/s720/IMG_20111207_185145.jpg)

Pace Products radiator
Dimensions
50mm thick x 730 wide 410 high = around 15 litres = 78% increase  B)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xEYoDRUcQwk/TuJY6Q0EiBI/AAAAAAAAC_g/WNFFeAkHcsg/s912/DSC01953.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V0oZ6HorruY/TuJZAmmj5tI/AAAAAAAAC_o/jPWGFAJ4WYw/s720/DSC01954.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yGXiSP9K2JI/TuJZRcXC7HI/AAAAAAAADAA/NZM85472Hvo/s720/DSC01955.JPG)

As you can see, its a fair bit larger than stock.

Got some more pictures of the intercooler as well

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dxxAewEcqFs/TuJZImUlG6I/AAAAAAAAC_w/4M34AP3qMbc/s912/DSC01939.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-93EB1X5p6Jc/TuJZMz6M9sI/AAAAAAAAC_4/z91DGlBm79A/s912/DSC01948.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mZs_M2y31uw/TuJaV-KHRUI/AAAAAAAADA0/5YAseMyKPwA/s912/DSC01952.JPG)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on December 09, 2011, 08:27:03 pm
Hmm, that's going to add at least 6.5kg to the front end of the car just in radiator fluid.

I may try the water/meth route first and see what that gives me in terms of cooling. :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: vRSAlex on December 09, 2011, 08:32:10 pm
That rad looks amazing.  I'm going to have to speak to them about one for the vRS and our s3.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: damoegan on December 09, 2011, 08:43:53 pm
It all looks very welll made to, Sy  :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 09, 2011, 08:45:12 pm
I'm going for reliabilty first though.  The weight loss or gain isn't a huge concern for me, whereas the heat issues and longevity  are.

Removing  the 25 kg weights tomorrow from the rear bumper
That rad looks amazing.  I'm going to have to speak to them about one for the vRS and our s3.
I belive they might also have one for them. They are breaking into the vag market now so id imagine they would be keen
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2011, 01:01:45 pm
Well i removed the rear bumper and the ballast weights from the car today.  Almost gave up as one torx screws was defeating me for about 45 minutes because i couldnt get to it well enough to crack it then unscrew.

So i removed the wheel and arch lining in the end.  Job done.

I cant believe they literally just bolted 25kg of metal weight to the rear crash beam.  Easy and cheap method of weight loss though

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rfE1M30AzfA/TuNXCbHz8mI/AAAAAAAADBQ/T249UjiSx5M/s912/IMG_20111210_125150.jpg)

Just driven it, and it is notably improved with the back end being alot more lively.  Much less understeer, definitely a bigger difference than i expected to be honest.  Probably to do with the fact that they were right out behind the rear wheels that makes it so much more noticable

Pic below is not my car, but the weights were fitted to the left hand side of the tubular crash beam

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fz364%2Fp1tt8ull%2F2011-07-31172844.jpg&hash=09c0d71b7a5c39519db3f35d1d4ca036638352b8)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hedge on December 10, 2011, 01:20:18 pm
Just driven it, and it is notably improved with the back end being alot more lively.

Sounds ideal for the Homomobile.  :booty: :wink:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: vRS Carl on December 10, 2011, 01:32:13 pm
Just driven it, and it is notably improved with the back end being alot more lively.

Sounds ideal for the Homomobile.  :booty: :wink:

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Hurdy on December 10, 2011, 03:19:10 pm
I still can't believe that they simply bolt 25kg of ballast to the back of the car....madness!!
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2011, 03:21:29 pm
Just driven it, and it is notably improved with the back end being alot more lively.

Sounds ideal for the Homomobile.  :booty: :wink:

 :grin: :grin:

Thing is, its made the back end loose, i much prefer a tight back end. 
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI AKA The Golf Cart update: Car in pieces
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 12, 2011, 08:58:03 pm

Quickest Tesco run I've done in a while...  :driver:

Saying that I've never lived 100yards from tesco before  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 15, 2011, 04:22:08 pm
^^^
Probaby is quicker to walk

Quote from: Hurdy;134066
If I was going to criticise the handling at all it would be to say that I prefer trail braking and may uprate the rear brakes to a 256mm vented set up.

If you want to trail brake i would leave your rears as standard then.

I agree with hurdy, its not tail happy by any means, just alot keener to turn in.  Still plenty of understeer there though which the Rear ARB will eliminate most of.

-

Shiny new parts compliments of TFSI_Mikes spare parts catalogue

Braille B14 115 lightweight battery.

OEM battery is 20kg, Braille B14 115 battery is 5kg.

So between that and the ballast weights on the rear crash beam ive dropped 40kg of weight off of the car now. :o

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jxk2HkVOohE/TuoX_0AUCbI/AAAAAAAADCg/fRi3DaFHtRY/s912/IMG_20111215_145643.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wkHrE5l-5YM/TuoX_zcFHxI/AAAAAAAADCc/mhUARme35wM/s912/IMG_20111215_145711.jpg)

Just need to sort out some terminals and then ill be getting her fitted.

If it lasts at least 4-5 days without recharging or being used ill be happy.

Lightweight brakes and alloys to come
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 15, 2011, 04:35:31 pm

Looking forward to seeing what you make of it.

Just charging the homo pink NetBook for the homo mobile  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: W8 Performance on December 15, 2011, 07:11:22 pm
Looking good. Pm me and i will be happyto get you a price for the wheels. Would be good to help out with the car :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 03:18:10 pm
Should have a water meth kit ordered for the new year, trying to decide whether to go AEM or Devils Own eventially ending with my car running a hybrid turbo which leads me onto software.

Current plans involve me heading to Shark Performance in the new year for my car to be custom tuned to take account of the new cooling mods i have fitted and the tbe ill have fitted in Jan.  Theres quite alot of potential in the engine now the heat issues have gone away.  The only issue being the map isn't adjustable/switchable once installed so water meth injection can only be used as a bolt on mod and the map not tuned for it because if i tune for it the wmi needs to operate all the time which isn't an route I want to go down.  The shame is that if the ecu wasn't encrypted I could use the shark sts system to switch maps but it won't work on encrypted ecu's, then I wouldn't be looking else where.

So the only other options for switchable maps are from either APR or REVO which would allow me to have multiple maps on hand for use with and without WMI.

APR are the safer option as they tend to err on the cautious side of tuning, however I've only found 1 guy, luckily local to me with an APR stage 2 which goes very well indeed, but he has had a couple mis fire issues.  This would allow me to switch to a higher octane map with the cruise stalk when using meth.  Another positive is they are currently working towards a hybrid upgrade so its a future proofed tune.  Truth be told when I originally looked for a remap the toss up was between APR and Shark, but Shark made an offer that couldn't be refused.

REVO, as you might have guessed have never been my favourite tuner, as I sometimes think can push it to far to attain figures.  Plus a fair few mates have had issues a plenty with them on other cars incl the 1.4tsi.   I've seen alot of issues with REVO tuned tfsi engines, however the majority of time could easily be attributed to guys fiddling with their settings with the SPS switches after the map has been installed.  At leadt with the 1.4tsi your limited to changing settings to preset maps B or C which is essentially just a higher octane map ideal for WMI usage. 
One positive for REVO I think is that they have easily tuned the largest amount of vehicles for the 1.4TSI hence, as a result have experienced the highest amount of issues since they have the majority, so they know their way around this engine better than pretty much all the other tuners and their latest versions obviously reflect that.

So I'm in a predicament

Do I stay with Shark and have them custom map it and have the water meth as a pure bolt on mod only, but require further custom mapping when I go hybrid at a later date.  They have a very good map but not future proofed for my planned modifications.  I have good history with Shark and customer and aftersales support are exemplary.

Or go with APR who will have a very safe option but not make as much as revo, but can support future mods as they are already developing hybrid options, but have a scarce UK dealer network.

Or go REVO who have the most experience with this engine, lots of dealerships, of which some are skoda retailers so warranty is helped along, but could push it to far potentially causing in issue.

Choices choices.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 20, 2011, 03:55:56 pm
just call revo tell them what you want from the car and the mods you have and will be fitting and they will get the car how you want it simple and also have the switch to adjust to other settings you want so you can run less boost or anything you want. No brainer for me and i have had apr maps before just don't rate em at all had probs with my first 2.0tfsi with it on as the would not start sometimes with it on and also on a cupra r stage 2 apr set starting having probs after a while and car only had 20k on clock when i sold it so for me revo nothing else. Its your money and your car  :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: MAT ED30 on December 20, 2011, 04:32:06 pm
would still go revo just to know they have done lots to this engine
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Hurdy on December 20, 2011, 07:24:47 pm
Just one word..........

REVO
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 07:48:21 pm
I have APR getting the new V2.0 stage 2 graphs coming my way.  Still considering revo though.

Wish these ECUs weren't encrypted because I could have switched maps via the Shark STS handset but that's not compatible. 

Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Deacon on December 20, 2011, 07:49:50 pm
Another vote for Revo on the 1.4 here
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 07:52:19 pm
But why not ApR though
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: rex on December 20, 2011, 07:52:48 pm
I have seen REVO's work on 1.4 TSI and I would not have any other remap.
I have even seen the first ever 1.4 TSI remap in Romania (prior to the official release) and the driver (a friend) was thrilled. He got 224 PS (~220 bhp) on the dyno with only the remap.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Deacon on December 20, 2011, 07:54:11 pm
Had Revo on my 1.4 for two years now and has always been great. Revo just seem the most experienced with the 1.4 which is why they get my vote
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 07:57:36 pm
I have seen REVO's work on 1.4 TSI and I would not have any other remap.
I have even seen the first ever 1.4 TSI remap in Romania (prior to the official release) and the driver (a friend) was thrilled. He got 224 PS (~220 bhp) on the dyno with only the remap.

Figures mean nothing from  different dynos if your comparing.  I went on a rr day and morks revo stage 1 made 200hp, jasons revo stage 2 made 208hp, my shark stage 2 made 213hp.  so using yours and morks stage 1 figures as a rough guide would put mine at 233hp on the dyno in romania............
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 08:00:57 pm
Had Revo on my 1.4 for two years now and has always been great. Revo just seem the most experienced with the 1.4 which is why they get my vote

That's the only thing drawing me in their direction.  They have experienced a fair amount of issues including their own car which went pop.  So they have released newer revisions since which of course factor out these issues, allegedly
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Hedge on December 20, 2011, 08:08:26 pm
But why not ApR though

Because bigger numbers are better, right?  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: RobH on December 20, 2011, 08:19:41 pm
Not alot of the issues are with the software though are they Sy, i thought there was an injector fault which VW sorted on 2010 models??? I know there was a problem because i spoke to Blade about it and he said when he bought his polo the dealer told him it had been solved otherwise he wouldnt have bought a Polo.

Revo ftw :xmaspresent:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 08:33:01 pm
The injectors were changed ages ago in mid 2010.  I wouldn't have bought mine either if they hadn't been changed.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: RobH on December 20, 2011, 08:39:55 pm
The injectors were changed ages ago in mid 2010.  I wouldn't have bought mine either if they hadn't been changed.

And has there been many problems after these changes?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2011, 09:03:46 pm
All you ever see on SCN is threads about this.   There's alot of speculation over the causes. I think alot of it is to do with heat because they run really really hot, hence why i gave the IC and rad upgzrade with higher spec oil and heatwrap to manage the heat.

Revos cupra went bang which led to seat dropping them from their dealership network after neithet side accepted responsibility for the cause.  I believe its to do with piston rings and blow by whichrevo claim to have cured with their latest revision.

Revo blame the original vag code has not being written well enough to work within the the excessive heat generated in the engine causing mass overfueling thus misfires
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 08:18:26 pm
Well, I think this has made.my mind up

Rainworth are local to me as well

Quote
name='gjlb' timestamp='1321354762' post='2578588']
Got a response from Rainworth about the Revo remap they offer.

Quote
Hi we are a Skoda dealer and have no issues with warranty claims on
remapped cars, the revo remapping keeps everything safe on the car, the
map does not show on the Skoda dealer computers as being done, and will
give no issues with the car as revo try and test them prior to releasing
them to the network. IF (AND THAT'S A MASSIVE IF) the ECU failed because
of the map then it would be sorted out via us / Revo. All other items on
the car would be covered by the Skoda warranty
.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Top Cat on December 27, 2011, 09:11:55 pm
Will you need to change your name again when you have a Revo map on your car.  :signLOL: You have actively campaigned against Revo for the last couple of years.  :popcornsoda:  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: vRS Carl on December 27, 2011, 09:12:39 pm
Will you need to change your name again when you have a Revo map on your car.  :signLOL: You have actively campaigned against Revo for the last couple of years.  :popcornsoda:  :evilgrin:

 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 09:14:27 pm
Im not going to admit it........... :innocent:

Still wouldn't do it on tthe 2.0T though :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: vRS Carl on December 27, 2011, 09:14:49 pm
Well, I think this has made.my mind up

Rainworth are local to me as well

Quote
name='gjlb' timestamp='1321354762' post='2578588']
Got a response from Rainworth about the Revo remap they offer.

Quote
Hi we are a Skoda dealer and have no issues with warranty claims on
remapped cars, the revo remapping keeps everything safe on the car, the
map does not show on the Skoda dealer computers as being done, and will
give no issues with the car as revo try and test them prior to releasing
them to the network. IF (AND THAT'S A MASSIVE IF) the ECU failed because
of the map then it would be sorted out via us / Revo. All other items on
the car would be covered by the Skoda warranty
.

I wonder where Revo got the Green Fabia from that they developed their code on  :innocent: :innocent:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 09:17:29 pm
Yep, rainworth lent them theirs.

With this engines notorious reliability issues some remap warranty support is a useful.  Probably only a matter oftime



......With revo  :rolleye:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Hedge on December 27, 2011, 09:19:23 pm
No matter who's map you have it's still the Homomobile.  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: vRS Carl on December 27, 2011, 09:20:00 pm
Yep, rainworth lent them theirs.

I know that Sy, hence the smilies and it's still a Homomobile :laugh:

Edit - Beaten to it by Hedge
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 09:22:28 pm
I can accept it from Ian, but you drive an estate  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: vRS Carl on December 27, 2011, 09:52:47 pm
I can accept it from Ian, but you drive an estate  :P

I prefer to call it the younger, leaner version of the RS4 Avant  :grin:

Just think of the bumming you could do in it if you had an Octy Estate Sy. You could even go Airtight   :booty: :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: RobH on December 27, 2011, 09:57:49 pm
Sy's actualy going Revo :surprised: :surprised: :surprised:




Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 09:58:55 pm
Are you trying to invite me to a 'pants' party in your car :sick:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: vRS Carl on December 27, 2011, 10:10:04 pm
Your not going to be another one with more maps than Ordnance Survey on your ECU are you :laugh:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Hedge on December 27, 2011, 10:11:30 pm
Sy - you've changed.  :surprised:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 27, 2011, 10:12:11 pm
Hope not,  :signLOL:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 31, 2011, 12:10:57 am
Took the golf cart to Mallory Park today with the Javelin TD event. 

Awesome turnout and variety of cars on hand from Porsche 911 turbos, lotus's, Clio RS race cars and fully stripped out/caged track cars, kit cars, TVRs, a ridiculously fast ford RS van, to my little Fabia.

Weather was horrendous.  Really cold and raiing all day, track was soaked, causing loads of guys to have 'moments' all over the track.

Somehow though, despite my worries of my rear tyres being worse for wear and potentially causing a lot of oversteer, the fabia was perfect all day, and really performed well through the bends and the straights.  Everyone else seemed to be fighting their cars (wasnt a good day to have RWD), yet mine just felt fine with no real traction issues (apart from exiting the hairpin in 2nd).

The only issues I had were a spot of oversteer exiting Gerards when it was raining because the DSG kept over riding the manual and changing to 4th gear when i wanted to hang on to 3rd :fighting:, but when a drier line appeared, it was better as i was in 4th much earlier, also suffered understeer at the cooper Esses, but even then, it wasn't bad, and if anything lined me up for the corner exit with no issues.

Really really surprised at the levels of grip considering the weather, i was expecting it to be like an ice rink.  I somehow managed to get into a tripod at one of the corners :driver:  Mostly i'm surprised that a set of Conti sport contact 2 tyres with tread just above the wear markers performed the way they did.  They were horrendous at Rockingham both times, yet here, they were fantastic.

Some pictures

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t37AiM_jld4/Tv5Kvy1HNtI/AAAAAAAADLA/s-AgyAwB_34/w500-h334-k/IMG_7314.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uyp5w0VaaCU/Tv5KvrLhzwI/AAAAAAAADK8/F3Mj4wzhUBw/w309-h207-k/IMG_7329.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Mi1f2PAHTHM/Tv5LQE5m7EI/AAAAAAAADME/V7qUUSqVeEc/w324-h216-k/IMG_7700.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GQJZZq8YDPo/Tv5LhhUauHI/AAAAAAAADMM/UtA2RMx-790/w162-h216-k/IMG_0961.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gifjy36LTmM/Tv5L9q8_pcI/AAAAAAAADMk/7XDASrQvTvs/w258-h194-k/IMG_0974.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Apjo35rjbIo/Tv5RqrfLDvI/AAAAAAAADQQ/olLU5cUIipk/w281-h212-k/IMG_0975.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Fgs51o_AY3U/Tv5M9XjcxlI/AAAAAAAADOc/LS5BsK9xdfE/w267-h179-k/IMG_7121.JPG)

And if anyone isnt sure what TFSI_Mike looks like well imagine this head on a 4ft high body :wink: :grin:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A8v0n3oakyE/Tv5QlKhV_CI/AAAAAAAADP4/m83Xc-VcMcU/w149-h198-k/IMG_0960.JPG)

That TVR was immense.  Me and Mike got a passenger ride in that.   He wasnt even taking at past 5k, but was still flying around, and not shy of going sideways either.  BUT, im only 5'9" and i had my head at about 45degrees to fit in the car!!  small price to pay for the noise though.

As usual though, the kit car drivers were the problem for the whole day refusing to move over for faster cars all day long.  With some of them not even having brake lights or anything, which is mega dodgy in the wet, with spray when they arent going that fast :fighting: :fighting:

Oh and people dont like moving over for skoda's :driver: :driver:

Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Matto on December 31, 2011, 12:22:29 am
Sounds like you had a good day. I didn't make it down. Didn't fancy standing about in the rain all day. Plus had an oven to fix.

Where abouts are you from mate? Do you ever do trackdays at Donington?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 31, 2011, 12:28:00 am
Im about 15 minutes from Donington but not overly bothered about doing it at the prices they want.  I could get 3 trackdays at rockingham/mallory or blyton for the cost of one at donington
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Matto on December 31, 2011, 12:42:23 am
Ah right about the same for me. I haven't done a trackday at Donno for a few years now so not sure what they cost. They were just evening sessions on the motorbike aswell so weren't too badly priced. Heard Mallory isn't a bad circuit though.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 31, 2011, 12:43:47 am
Its a pretty straight forward circuit, pretty gentle on tyres and brakes.  Nothing technical or difficult
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: gobbleplease on January 02, 2012, 07:03:19 pm
Is it maybe not worth doing a few other mods at the moment and waiting until the hybrid software has been developed and checking out reliability of new delelopment maps in the meantime this would give you time for the tuners to iron out the problems with the engine / software while you sort out the other bits of the car you want to do just now!

Im in a simelar position at the moment and im just riding it out until they have a better understanding of the car before i go for the final mapping / power mods
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2012, 07:17:23 pm
I'm thinking of not bothering with the hybrid now.  250hp is achievable with the std turbo, that in a 1200kg is a nice chunk of power and will be onthe limits of tractability.  Hopefully should have the new map on in the next week. 

Heres some vids Mike managed to get of us. 

Apologies for the pants music on this first one, I was messing around with youtube video editer and saved it over the original by accident.



Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 02, 2012, 09:05:20 pm

Which software Sy?  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2012, 09:12:06 pm
You know :rolleye:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: rich83 on January 02, 2012, 09:12:57 pm
Blimey.. i see what you mean when you said it was wet.  :scared:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2012, 10:43:29 pm
Another video here


Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Car sporting new goodies
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 29, 2012, 06:48:45 pm
A few recent changes.  I have remove the Forge intake off of my car and........its made absolutely no difference to the output of the car at all.  £185 of useless Forge Branded rubbish.  Bring on the ITG Maxogen is what i say.

Currently ive been relegated to a 2.0TDI 140ps VW Passat and its CRAP.  Nothing below 2000rpm, nothing after 4000rpm and power seems to notably drop off after 3000rpm.  Hate the engine with a passion, but most of all, I absolutely hate having a manual.  I dont actually think i would buy a manual again now, because everytime i drive one, it irratates me :scared:  Really not a fan of diesels at all.  It only seems to be asbout 7-9mpg better than my Fabia on the same routes.  Expected more tbh, although the passat does weigh about 500kg more

Had my Shark Stage 2 map removed from my car.  Logging the car showed that the requested boost was over 2 bar from 1700-6000rpm which is obviously not achievable meaning my turbo is working at its absolute maximum everytime im on WOT trying to make this boost because it cannot possibly achieve that output.  Max boost the turbo can run on is around 1.6Bar, which coincidently is what my car was running at with my waste gate at 100% the entire time because its still 0.5Bar below the requested:scared:  That might go to explain the heat issues i had back along and the random plumes of white smoke i get periodically.  Good job that i got the pace intercooler and radiator fitted a few k ago.  Might well have saved something getting bent although i have it in my head that the turbo could already be damaged, so a turbo rebuild might be on the cards for peace of mind, so i might just throw in a 1.8T K04-001 compressor wheel whilst im doing that.

Car made 211hp/270lbft @ 1.6Bar with the shark Stage 2 map before Skoda reverted the car to stock with the latest ECU update.  Figures are good, midrange is good and the delivery is good.  Longevity might not be though..

Jabbasport now have my car (hence the Passat courtesy car :sick:) and they are doing a full custom map on my car.  The plan is to get about +10Hp output(more if safely possible) but with less boost and less chance of me spitting the turbo out the exhaust pipe.

Decided to go with Jabba for a full custom job over REVO and APR in the end.  I was very near to getting REVO installed, i was offered a baragin price for changing to them, but they would not b offering anything further than stage 2 in the future.  APR were a pain in the ass when it came to information or replying to messages.   Jabba on the other hand were happy to write the map to exactly how i wanted it to be done, and are able to provide further work with software for a hybrid turbo in the future.

And they are changing my throttle map to a 1:1 ratio (like the REVO linear map) because at 3/4 depression on the accelerator pedal the throttle angle jumps from 75% to 100% which is really frustrating on trackdays on fast sweeping corners.

Roll on wednesday....
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 31, 2012, 06:06:05 pm
The good news is because i had the Shark map dyno'd first at Jabba before getting it reset to stock mode at Wings Skoda it means i can compare both the new Jabbasport custom map, the removed Shark Performance Stage 2 map and the newest ECU update stock map all on the same set of dyno graphs.

Nice and cold in the morning for the stock run, and jabbas roller putting out spot on figures for a stock car.  BUT take into account my car is running the downpipe and intercooler so id imagine if anything its underreading a little, but i can deal with under reading :giggle:

180Hp and 250NM.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zR3ciPatVLY/TyglpTNs59I/AAAAAAAADSw/N4UvsgsNLgg/w411-h246-k/Stock%2Bmap%2Bat%2BJabba.png)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h1fuWz1PpTY/Tyglp3uQnVI/AAAAAAAADTA/HDhn0m9aSmI/w500-h183-k/stock%2Bmap%2Bat%2BJabba%2BAFR.png)

I asked if Jabba could add on the shark St2 graph onto the stock graph when they were done on seperate days, the good news is YES :yes:

green is stock.  Red and blue are the Shark Performance Stage 2.  211Hp/370Nm(270lbft)@ 1.6Bar(23psi)boost pressure :o  Not to sure about that hump, its not something ive ever noticed on the road and the previous 3 dynos have been without the intercooler, so not a direct comparison.  Something you have to consider i guess is the shark map was written on the car before the intercooler and with only 800miles on the clock.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-aYlKvz28CHs/TyglpcgLAqI/AAAAAAAADS4/bba6KgBintc/w396-h246-k/Shark%2Bmap%2Boverlaid%2Bwith%2Bstock%2Bmap.png)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FsNVohD8fA4/TyglpZvc6GI/AAAAAAAADSs/-ikX9gTW9f4/w500-h196-k/Sharkmap%2Boverlaid%2Bwith%2Bstock%2BAFR.png)

Im not able to get to Jabba to collect my car until Friday afternoon now so ill add that graph alongside the stock when Jabba finish the car.  Fingers crossed i make a bit more with a bit less boost.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 02, 2012, 05:51:29 pm

Sounds like they've done a really good job  :smiley:

Look forward to you collecting her  :party:

Graph / pic doesn't show for me??
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hurdy on February 02, 2012, 06:31:21 pm
The spike will be the handover from supercharger to turbo at 3500 rpm. The spike is more pronounced when mapped as the supercharger doesn't map much from stock, but the turbo does. :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 02, 2012, 06:36:59 pm
Looks like the power touched 220hp maybe for a millisecond  :signLOL: :star: :star: :star: :star:

Im happy with that tbh, mostly at there is a gain in power but at much less boost.  Thats how to map a car.

And it matches the requested boost now with the N75 duty cycle reduced from permanent 100% to a nice steady 80%
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: dominikpee on February 02, 2012, 07:22:01 pm
nice car matey
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 02, 2012, 07:53:53 pm
Looks like the power touched 220hp maybe for a millisecond  :signLOL: :star: :star: :star: :star:

Im happy with that tbh, mostly at there is a gain in power but at much less boost.  Thats how to map a car.

And it matches the requested boost now with the N75 duty cycle reduced from permanent 100% to a nice steady 80%

Result  :smiley:

Safer power
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: gazbutS3 on February 02, 2012, 08:40:55 pm
lookin good pal, thought bhp and torque should cross at 5250rpm, is it a scaling issue?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 02, 2012, 08:43:21 pm
Good point gaz, ill ask tomorrow but all the graphs cross at the same point in the revrange.  Could be because its in nm and not lbft
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 02, 2012, 09:02:29 pm

Sorry mate. Had some fun & made some mess weaning Harry.  Packed my Bergan & made tea.

Hydrate & bed for me   :indifferent:

Is that app on iPhone? Will install it ready. Need to get some logs  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 02, 2012, 09:04:26 pm
Not sure.  Iphones are for gays. Blokes use android
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: gazbutS3 on February 02, 2012, 09:05:12 pm
Good point gaz, ill ask tomorrow but all the graphs cross at the same point in the revrange.  Could be because its in nm and not lbft

Sy check your std run out, they cross at 5250rpm  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 02, 2012, 09:11:29 pm
Good point again gaz :grin:

Maybe scaling issues then.  The stock figures are the same though ill ask tomorrow
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: gazbutS3 on February 02, 2012, 09:12:39 pm
 :smiley:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 02, 2012, 09:14:20 pm
Not sure.  Iphones are for gays. Blokes use android

Lies.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hurdy on February 02, 2012, 11:18:00 pm
It is a scaling issue. The first map is roughly right for the nm to lbft conversion, but the second one isn't. Do the math at 5250 and then divide the nm by 1.35 and you should get the same figure as power made. :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: rich83 on February 02, 2012, 11:23:07 pm
For torque and bhp to cross at 5252 you have to use one vertical scale not 2.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hedge on February 02, 2012, 11:26:27 pm
If you have the graph in bhp and lbft with the same values on both sides it should cross quite obviously at 5250rpm.  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 09:29:37 pm
For torque and bhp to cross at 5252 you have to use one vertical scale not 2.

This is what Kev said to me today.  He said depending upon the scale on the right hand side in comparison to the left he can move the cross over point around to  a certain degree.

Just back after picking the car up and doing about 300 miles on it between 1:30 and now visiting family.  Back home and very happy
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hedge on February 03, 2012, 09:39:20 pm
You need to update your sig.  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 09:53:16 pm
all in good time
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 03, 2012, 10:11:41 pm
all in good time

Race you round the hangars  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:22:00 pm
Shark Map is now off.  Jabba map is now on

A bit of background

You probably already know, but i donated my car to Shark Performance to have them develop a remap for the 1.4TSI back May last year in return for a F.O.C remap.  I had been on the look out for a map and at the time was torn between APR and Shark for the job, Shark made the offer of no cost for development, to which i jumped at the opportunity.  Saved me £400 B)

I received the car back and "*&^ me it was quicker, massively so.  I was very happy with it and as most guys on here will say, ive been a pretty big advocate of the Shark Performance map and its performance.
This was with shark stage 2, decat OEm DP and everything else standard.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fimg004.jpg&hash=8a4d320831108b236bacce2c8a74590fb3a2b0d9)

As you can see huge midrange gains and the car went like a rocket. :thumbup: You'll have seen that i have posted many times about the biggest issues with this engine being the massive temperatures of the intake air charge, cylinder block and engine bay etc,Anyway, this is where i began to notice it more and more.  The car suffered very excessive heatsoak, very notable on the 1/4 mile strip where it went like the clappers the first 3/4s but power began to wear off towards the end as temperatures rose.  

The same effect was noted on trackdays and in hot weather so i began to investigate what options I had for cooling to a safer level and ended up with the Pace Products Intercooler & radiator package which helped no end with the heat issues.

Why i changed map

The heat issues were reduced but not omitted, and i had started to get plumes of grey/white smoke from the exhaust at times but never consistently, if anything it was when the car had been driven for prolonged periods.  Shark believed the turbo to be on the way out which is never good news, but i thought well if its going to go pop, then its going to go pop.  I might as well look into upgrading/recondition the turbo to be stronger and flow more to make some more power at the same time.

Shark believed this was not an option as the fueling system was maxed out and said they could map a hybrid on, but warned that they expected it to spit all of the pistons out when the injectors fail to flow enough fuel etc, however i was aware of many other tuning companies such as APR and other euro tuners had already done this with no fueling issues.

I had also been logging temperatures and other parameters where i found fueling to be relatively low on the high pressure side with plenty of headroom and boost to be very high.  The map requested over 2Bar(29psi) of boost of which is massively higher than this turbo is rated at resulting in the car only managing to make 1.6Bar(23psi).  Looking at the N75 duty cycle which was showing 100% over the whole rev range you can see the turbo was running at its absolute maximum all of the time trying to manage the requested 2 Bar and not even getting close.  Normally when the car makes the requested boost the N75 duty cycle will drop down to 75-80%ish.  This to me was the likely cause of the grey/white smoke etc.

At this point i had now started looking into other maps for the possibility of either hybrids or switchable options with water methanol injection.  I considered REVO and APR, and very nearly went with REVO who offered me a very very competitive price for swapping to them, however they werent keen on going any further than stage 2 and wouldn't be interested in a hybrid upgrade which i found disappointing.  

I then found out that Jabbasport now had the equipment in house to access encrypted ECUs, and they had already remapped a 1.4TSI Ibiza Cupra of Seatcupra.net which made very good peak Hp figures, but they customized it to his exact requirements limiting the mid-range torque as he requested the peak torque to not rise above stock levels.  I  liked the idea of a tuner doing the map on car to my specification and jabba also seemed interested in further modifications such as hybrids etc so i made the decision to let them set about my car.

Jabbasport remap

Shark had requested that i return my map to stock before allowing another tuner to map my car, which was the ideal scenario for me as it meant that i could have the most recent ECU software update for my car.  However i wanted to see how the car compared to the jabba map before and after so i drove down last week, had the car run on the rolling road to get a set of before figures, i then went to the Skoda dealership had the ECU update and dropped the car off with jabba.  

Kev@ Jabbasport then began to ask about the current and planned modifications, discussed the forge intake that i had removed, talked about how the last map was, issues with heat on the strip and track, what i liked about the shark power delivery and what i didnt, what would i change, where i wanted gains, what sort of figures were on my mind.  We also highlighted that the way the accelerator pedal was electronically linked to the throttle butterfly wasn't ideal.  Essentially with the accelerator pedal 3/4 depressed the ratio of pedal movement to throttle opening suddenly increases dramatically, which on long fast corners of trackdays is a pain to modulate.  So he also planned to alter the throttle maps to ensure that the pedal:throttle ratio was as close to 1:1 ratio as possible to make modulating the throttle much easier.  Well chuffed with that, not aware of any other tuners currently doing this on the 1.4TSI.

My requests for jabbasport

I dont think i made this easy for them.

-I wanted the throttle map changed to emulate that of a throttle cable and a 1:1 ratio of pedal to throttle.
-I wanted a similar midrange to the Shark stage 2 map,
-I wanted slightly more top end, somewhere in the region of 215-225hp depending on the before after results.  
BUT
-I wanted this done with much less boost so that i could have some longevity and mechanical sympathy for the drive train and turbo.
AND
- I wanted them to look into the viability of upgrading the turbocharger to a hybrid with regards to heat, high pressure fueling and injector duty cycle.

The results

The car was running the Pace intercooler, Pace Radiator, decat OEM downpipe, and the relevant map details shown below.  All other parts were 100% standard.

I have the Shark stage 2 graph, stock graph and Jabbasport custom graph.  All graphs have DIN correction which mean that the figures have been corrected to take into account the differing temperatures between the runs to make them directly comparable.
Normally the power & torque curves cross at 5252rpm.  This isn't happening on these graphs due to the differing scales and the 2 x Vertical axis. (Thought id point this out before those with quick eyes notice).

Stock power
As you can see the figures look to be spot on. 179.7Hp/257NM (189 lbft).  These are bang on what you would expect of a stock car, although bare in mind my car is not stock and has the IC/Rad and DP, so if anything the rollers were reading low.
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Shark Performance Stage 2 @ 1.6Bar(23psi)
211hp/375NM(276 lbft).  This torque figure seems quite high and is thought to be above the torque limit that people believe is applied to the DSG box on this car.  Jabbasport said that the DSG seemed to have 3 x flashes on it, so im guessing shark had managed to access it and raise the limiters.  But the torque and power figures here are around the same as the previous dynodynamics run at the beginning of this post(which was done without the intercooler)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fimg007-1.jpg&hash=60cbb9fc39d96e43f4f308138bae702c8722256e)

Jabbasport custom @ 1.3Bar(19psi) 216Hp/357NM(263lbft)

Jabba had a tough criteria to meet, but have hit the nail in first time.  Midrange very similar-slightly less, but thast because of the boost difference, spool of the turbo is faster and earlier, the requested boost is met across the entire RPM band and is 0.3Bar(4.3psi) lower, the N75 duty cycle now runns at a healthy 75-80%, the throttle map has been altered, there is slightly more peak power and they are keen for me to come back with a hybrid turbo B) B) B)  

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My thoughts

-Power delivery seems silky smooth and very progressive.
Mid-range isnt quite as strong as the Shark map ie, in 5th and 60 for an overtake, but change it down to 4th and its the same if not stronger.
-Top end - Not tried it to much tbh, the weather isnt ideal, but it feels very strong.
-Throttle map change - Seems to be a massive improvment.  I had a try with the throttle at 3/4 and it is a lot more progressive rather than a sudden lurch.  That was only in a straight line though, never fancied trying it in a fast corner on the roads tonight :D
Its a little to early to tell if the heat issues have disappeared as its very cold outside but id imagine that theres a huge decrease compared to before.  

Theres also NO GREY/WHITE SMOKE.

Im massively impressed that Jabba have managed all the above with 0,3Bar(4.3psi) less boost than the previous map.  

Very very happy with the results, very happy with the customer service and even better, Kev has been through the logs and maps with a fine tooth comb and the hybrid IS AN OPTION in the future.  theres plenty of room on the high pressure fuel side and injectors.  If anything the standard turbo is now the main restriction on the  car.  An intake will relieve the turbo now as its having to really suck the air in through the stock intake.  The ITG should sort that one perfectly.  So then its either a Loba Hybrid turbo swap or upgrade the compressor wheel on mine and trim the exhaust turbine a little.

Happy Happy Happy Happy Happy

And as if they couldnt do anything more to please me:

They have changed the settings of the XDS (electronic diff) from setting zero(weak) upto Setting 2(strong) and WHAT A DIFFERENCE.  Thats for another thread.

Ive now got the logs for standard and jabba custom for future reference and comparison. So i am going to graph them up and compare them to the previous logs i have with the shark map to see how they compare on boost/N75/fueling/intake air temps/timing etc.

Big thanks to Kev at Jabba who did the mapping and replied to my constant messaging about progress lol.  Top bloke.

Was it worth spending out on a custom map to get an extra 5Hp....I think so.  TBH im not out of pocket anyway, ive now spent what i would have if i hadnt had a free map.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 03, 2012, 11:26:34 pm

Result Sy  :congrats: :congrats:

Quite a lot of logging to be done next week  :driver:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:29:29 pm
I have all the logs, i just need to go through them all
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: vRS Carl on February 03, 2012, 11:29:56 pm
It's still a homomobile. It's now just sporting leathers of the sort worn in the Blue Oyster Bar to make it more butch  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 03, 2012, 11:32:18 pm
I have all the logs, i just need to go through them all

I don't have any logs though  :wink:

You going to resist a track day this month?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:36:03 pm
lol.  

Bit of a crazy graph but with all 3 maps on there


(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fimg009.jpg&hash=e34e7fdd4f77124fb7cfe09fc95d698d768ec83f)

You going to resist a track day this month?

Tempted.  Need to check funds.  Howling amount of money left my account this month.  I blame the missus going disney land personally
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hedge on February 03, 2012, 11:37:08 pm
It's still a homomobile. It's now just sporting leathers of the sort worn in the Blue Oyster Bar to make it more butch  :grin:

And now just makes more than mine did stock.  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:40:07 pm
In situations like that Ian i change from peak Hp boasting to power to weight boasting  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 03, 2012, 11:40:22 pm

You going to resist a track day this month?

Tempted.  Need to check funds.  Howling amount of money left my account this month.  I blame the missus going disney land personally
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Darent check my bank.  :sick:  Can't believe liz left you on your tod  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:42:13 pm
Shes in disney land and i never even got an invite.  Shes hasnt got a leg to stand on
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hedge on February 03, 2012, 11:42:44 pm
In situations like that Ian i change from peak Hp boasting to power to weight boasting  :P

I see what you did there. Mine has more power and more weight.  :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: vRS Carl on February 03, 2012, 11:43:00 pm
It's still a homomobile. It's now just sporting leathers of the sort worn in the Blue Oyster Bar to make it more butch  :grin:

And now just makes more than mine did stock.  :P

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 03, 2012, 11:49:56 pm
In situations like that Ian i change from peak Hp boasting to power to weight boasting  :P

I see what you did there. Mine has more power and more weight.  :grin:

touche

 :congrats: :congrats:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: damoegan on February 04, 2012, 10:29:02 am
Bit of a typoi in there Sy, you have put on the top of the Jabba graph that they used 2.3bar of boost  :booty:

 :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 04, 2012, 10:29:50 am
Just been pointed out on t'other forum.  I was merely talking of absolute pressure there  :P
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: chungster on February 04, 2012, 05:38:07 pm
You started a thread on this XDS remap from weak to strong? I'd like to know more!

Cheers  :happy2:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 04, 2012, 05:43:09 pm
Yank forums

Quote
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25039 (http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25039)
I just want to share what I found yesterday when playing with VCDS software.
Maybe it will be helpful for some of you guys. Mostly for those who track their cars and want less electronic assist. I'm not encouraging anyone to change the stock settings, so if you want to change something proceed at your own risk.

In VCDS Select Control Module, go to 03 ABS Brakes, then 10 Adaptation, go to Channel:

Channel 09 Brake Assist
There are 3 settings for this
0-center (stock setting)
1-small
2-hard
I tasted this one and finally locked it in value 2. I think the brake pedal and the whole system are more sensitive. My car was not braking any better but I did not have to push down the brake pedal as low as before and as hard as before to start braking.

Channel 36 XDS
There are 3 settings
0-center (stock setting)
1-weak
2-strong

Channel 54 DSR
There are 3 settings
0-strong (stock setting)
1-center
2-weak


Channel 58 Hill Hold Assist
There are 3 settings
0-normal
1-early (start with low RPM's)
2-late (start with high RPM's and slipping clutch)

Channel 89 ASR
Two settings
1-on (stock setting)
2-off
I tried to turn it off, the new setting was saved but after I disconnected and connected the vag com cable to check it out it was set back to value 1-“on” . So, I think it's not possible to turn it off with the VCDS software.


Channel 90 ESP
Two settings
1-on (stock setting)
2-off
The same thing as with the ASR. I was able to turn it off but it was set back to “on” setting after disconnecting and connecting the vag com cable.
Channel 91 Automatic, ESP switch on, Speed
There are 4 boxes 1-Automatic, 2-ESP switch on, 3-Speed, 4-Deactivated (this setting can be changed)
Boxes 1 to 3 describe probably condition which are already programmed
Two settings
0-Deactivated (stock setting)
1-Enabled
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: damoegan on February 04, 2012, 09:58:35 pm
....I was merely talking of absolute pressure there  :P

Yea, righ  :laugh:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Deako on February 08, 2012, 07:21:17 pm
So why have APR got your car for 2 weeks then Sy??  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 08, 2012, 07:22:48 pm
it involves shiny new parts, new maps and a faster car.  This might all go to rat sh1t still though, parts are ordered, cars booked in, just need to hope for no setbacks
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 08, 2012, 07:29:12 pm

Im suddenly hankering for the homomobiles better looking cousin  :scared:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 08, 2012, 07:30:22 pm

Im suddenly hankering for the homomobiles better looking cousin  :scared:
what the Octavia.... :innocent:

You watch parts of my engine start to bend  :scared:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 08, 2012, 07:31:44 pm

Im suddenly hankering for the homomobiles better looking cousin  :scared:
what the Octavia.... :innocent:

You watch parts of my engine start to bend  :scared:

Polo.

Im thinking about Rods more lately.  Need a linear throttle to control the extra boost so things dont start to bend  :scared:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 08, 2012, 07:32:38 pm
it wont have linear throttle yet  :ashamed:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Deako on February 08, 2012, 07:47:34 pm
How come? Not happy with the Jabba map?
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 08, 2012, 07:54:26 pm
very very happy withthe jabba map, but APR made a series of offers i couldnt turn down.
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: vRS Carl on February 08, 2012, 07:59:31 pm
but APR made a series of offers i couldnt turn down.

Bukkake Party followed by a Rectal Root in the back seat?? :evilgrin:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Hedge on February 08, 2012, 08:01:12 pm
 :signLOL:
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 08, 2012, 08:09:17 pm
but APR made a series of offers i couldnt turn down.

Bukkake Party followed by a Rectal Root in the back seat?? :evilgrin:

i think they had inside info about how to flick my switch.  Think it started when they emailed me this pic

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424122_345138662186235_330605806972854_1098152_1492058731_n.jpg)
Title: Re: JannerSy's Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4TSI Update: Shark map off, jabba map on
Post by: vRS Carl on February 08, 2012, 08:20:21 pm
Could do some decent Tromboning with that :drool: :drool:































 :grin: :evilgrin:
Title: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 10, 2012, 07:57:38 pm
So i currently have the custom jabbasport map on my car and its very very good.  BUT APR made me an offer I just couldn't refuse.

APR was my original choice even before i went with shark performance for my first remap anyway, mainly due to the switchable map system.  The map isnt going to cost me anything, so that wasnt a factor to consider and ill also get a water methanol injection specific map that i can switch to when using water meth for max output  :party:.

There was alot of oohing and ahhing over the last few days trying to decide if i should change from a remap that i am very happy with, ie why fix something that isnt broken, and Jabba were more than capable of doing the hybrid, but after a few discussions with many people, i have gone for it.

We've decided to take the modifying alot further though, we'll be sorting suspension, brakes, engine mounts etc etc.  My situation is perfect for this.  Im out of the country for 6 months, thus dont need the car, so APR are keeping it for me and going to go crazy on it on my behalf, I just fund thingslol

Previous Spec
Decat DP, Pace Intercooler, Pace radiator, Forge intake, shark stage 2 remap  :smiley:

Current spec
Decat DP, Pace Intercooler, Pace radiator,Jabba Custom remap   :grin:

Spec in the next few weeks
Decat DP, Intake Pace Intercooler, Pace radiator, Loba LO270 hybrid turbo, APR Stage 3 remap  :evilgrin:

This shiny little badger is getting bolted to my car

Quote
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LO270 turbocharger

state-of-the-art “Extended Tip” compressor wheel
5-axis CNC re-profiled compressor housing and backplate
5-axis CNC re-profiled turbine housing
special clipped turbine wheel
optimized clearances
modified actuator
uprated bearing
precision balancing of individual components and CHRA


Apparently its capable of 270hp with all the bolt on parts and components you would expect a stage 3 car.  but i removed my Forge intake as it was restricting power so its the stock intake fitted currently it will choke the power for the minute, but its only a minor mod to sort.  Im not expecting 270hp by any means in all honesty, but im expecting to gain plenty over my current 216Hp, especially with a nice big intake.

Very excited.

This time next year, the car should be a very very different beast, but will have had considerably more money plowed into it than previously planned :S ,

Knowing my luck something will go wrong lol

The Polo GTI in this hot tuner challenge test is where mid like my car to  be performing (same engine/chassis/tuner etc) except my car wil have alot more power!!

http://goapr.com.au/media/mm-june2011.pdf (http://goapr.com.au/media/mm-june2011.pdf)<<< Makes interesting read
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 10, 2012, 08:12:53 pm
Loving your work Sy :happy2:

Which engine mounts are you considering? :innocent:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 10, 2012, 08:13:39 pm
Loving your work Sy :happy2:

Which engine mounts are you considering? :innocent:
All in good time my son, all in good time.  The car isnt going until next week now anyway
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 10, 2012, 08:17:43 pm
Loving your work Sy :happy2:

Which engine mounts are you considering? :innocent:
All in good time my son, all in good time.

As I'm Luke Skywalker, does this make you Darth Vader :signLOL:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 10, 2012, 08:28:24 pm
As I'm Luke Skywalker, does this make you Darth Vader :signLOL:

Well i went out for a run this morning, and i was breathing like Darth Vader so maybe
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 10, 2012, 08:34:05 pm
As I'm Luke Skywalker, does this make you Darth Vader :signLOL:

Well i went out for a run this morning, and i was breathing like Darth Vader so maybe

You sure that wasn't the car sucking air in through the stock intake.  :P
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedge on February 10, 2012, 08:35:22 pm
Sy
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Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 10, 2012, 08:39:02 pm
i Cant believe you wanted me to dress in that and clean you oven, you made me get in there real deep
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 10, 2012, 08:45:57 pm
 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 10, 2012, 08:47:47 pm
i Cant believe you wanted me to dress in that and clean you oven, you made me get in there real deep

Looks like good protection from any future rashes though  :wink:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 16, 2012, 06:49:48 pm
Two more days :star: :star:

I think APR have their courtesy car setup wrong. 

Usually, you are given some woefully slow tiny car with 80hp, so when you return to your car, your blown away by the performance.

APR are giving me a 380hp Golf R!!!!  So ill be getting my little fabia back and thinking....its a bit slow :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 16, 2012, 07:48:07 pm
Or are APR telling you the R will be slower than the vRS? :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on February 16, 2012, 08:15:24 pm
You now just need, REVO, PDT, Custard Code, JBS, AMD and P-Torque and then you have pretty much done them all  :grin:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on February 16, 2012, 08:18:26 pm

If you've committed to this hybrid plan your gonna have to stop spending money on Facebook credits!  :grin:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 16, 2012, 08:30:22 pm
I expect dyno graphs by Monday :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 17, 2012, 12:47:52 am
 

If you've committed to this hybrid plan your gonna have to stop spending money on Facebook credits!  :grin:

Lol..  it was android games that did that.  Card details removed so my daughter can't do that again
 :scared:
I expect dyno graphs by Monday :popcornsoda:

They have it until the tenth of March I think.
You now just need, REVO, PDT, Custard Code, JBS, AMD and P-Torque and then you have pretty much done them all  :grin:
:scared:
Or are APR telling you the R will be slower than the vRS? :popcornsoda:

Somehow doubt that.  ApR Australia reckon they have theirs running 160kW at the wheels which is 270hp at the flywheel
 :surprised: that's over 230hp/ton!!
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 17, 2012, 12:52:42 am


Have my boost values for the stock, shark and jabba maps. All hardware is consistent throughout all logs.  Ive kept the bost scales and RPM the same to make it easierr to compare the boost curves

Will compare these to my hybrid map as well once sorted.  

Std  Blue = Actual Boost. Red = Specified(requested) Boost
Peak at 1.21Bar(17.5psi) @ 1600rpm. 1Bar(14psi) from  2700-5300rpm dropping to 0.62Bar(9PSI) at the redline.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2FUntitled.jpg&hash=8d0888370cd3450f043416dbb53e18840b34b939)

Shark Stage 2  Blue = Actual boost.  Orange = Specified(requested) boost
Peak at 1.65Bar(24psi)@ 2700rpm to 1.5Bar @4520rpm before dropping to 0.96Bar(14psi) at the redline.  

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2FSharkstage2boost.jpg&hash=310fa212e013174ed0c763fca79142309339b1d9)

Jabba Custom Blue = Actual boost. Orange = Specified(requested) boost
Peak at 1.4Bar(20psi)@2310rpm. Dropping gradually to 1 Bar at the redline.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2FJabbaCustomboost.jpg&hash=c31009527450eed32b1b23bc3a5f8f87f2798955)
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 17, 2012, 09:45:42 am
I see what you meant about the requested boost being too high on the Shark map :scared:

Never going to meet that even with a hybrid :laugh:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 17, 2012, 10:40:54 am
I see what you meant about the requested boost being too high on the Shark map :scared:

Never going to meet that even with a hybrid :laugh:

Hence my N75 waste gate duty cycle being 100% for the ENTIRE rev range
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 17, 2012, 08:28:48 pm
I now have the APR Demo Golf R and its awesome!!!

Very very surprised by the AST coilovers, which im pretty certain make the golf R ride the bumps better and softer than my Fabia does. 

So APR now have my car and its having:

Loba LO270 turbo
Stage 3 APR remap
VWRacing intake

Measurements and details taken for AST adjustable coilovers and 4 pot 330mm 2 piece brakes :party: :party:

Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on February 17, 2012, 09:07:29 pm
Very suprized you are going with the VWR taketake. Dont you normally advise peeps to apply the Huckleberry Fin methods of modding, ie, toilet roll tubes string and maybe a frog for the sound effects.  :innocent:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 17, 2012, 09:09:10 pm
lol.  The VWR is an ITG anyway, and thats what i was going to get in the first place


I did think of doing a homemade tripletake :innocent:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedge on February 17, 2012, 09:15:08 pm
I thought you were going for the pisstake.  :wink:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Poverty on February 18, 2012, 12:36:50 am
I now have the APR Demo Golf R and its awesome!!!

Very very surprised by the AST coilovers, which im pretty certain make the golf R ride the bumps better and softer than my Fabia does. 

So APR now have my car and its having:

Loba LO270 turbo
Stage 3 APR remap
VWRacing intake

Measurements and details taken for AST adjustable coilovers and 4 pot 330mm 2 piece brakes :party: :party:



Know the Loba guys very well now and their product range with the way they go about things and their hybrids are the best. Their stuff lasts like OEM, unlike other turbo builders whose hybrid units never do.


Very very interested in this, hoping for some good numbers mate!
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 18, 2012, 12:52:10 am
  ApR Australia reckon they have theirs running 160kW at the wheels which is 270hp at the flywheel
 :surprised: that's over 230hp/ton!!

215whp would be lovely. Mine was showing 190whp on stage 2 before the wmi at Statllers and iirc 190whp at JKM with the wmi. Another 25-30whp from the turbo would make it worth it for sure.

Now are APR's figures with or without water methanol injection?  :innocent:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Poverty on February 18, 2012, 01:01:31 am
  ApR Australia reckon they have theirs running 160kW at the wheels which is 270hp at the flywheel
 :surprised: that's over 230hp/ton!!

215whp would be lovely. Mine was showing 190whp on stage 2 before the wmi at Statllers and iirc 190whp at JKM with the wmi. Another 25-30whp from the turbo would make it worth it for sure.

Now are APR's figures with or without water methanol injection?  :innocent:

What WMI kit are you running out of interest?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 18, 2012, 01:08:46 am
 ApR Australia reckon they have theirs running 160kW at the wheels which is 270hp at the flywheel
 :surprised: that's over 230hp/ton!!

215whp would be lovely. Mine was showing 190whp on stage 2 before the wmi at Statllers and iirc 190whp at JKM with the wmi. Another 25-30whp from the turbo would make it worth it for sure.

Now are APR's figures with or without water methanol injection?  :innocent:


What WMI kit are you running out of interest?

Devil's own water meth kit. :happy2:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Poverty on February 18, 2012, 10:56:12 am
Ahh cool, what size tank are you running and how long does it last?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on February 18, 2012, 01:16:22 pm
Pm'd rather than hijack Sy's thread :happy2:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on February 18, 2012, 06:53:28 pm
Know the Loba guys very well now and their product range with the way they go about things and their hybrids are the best. Their stuff lasts like OEM, unlike other turbo builders whose hybrid units never do.


Very very interested in this, hoping for some good numbers mate!

Not sure on numbers as its all dyno specific.

But if I have around 216hp currently, I think an extra 10hp from the intake is realistic, the hybrid should flow better and also allow me to run more boost so matbe another 30hp gain there.

So 250-260hp is a realistic target i think, who knows tbh, its uncharted territory.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 10, 2012, 08:37:51 am
Bump for updates of todays escapades :signLOL:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 10, 2012, 08:41:16 am

Are you there yet, Are you there yet, Are you there yet, Are you there yet, Are you there yet,
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedge on March 10, 2012, 08:45:00 am
 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Poppa Dom on March 10, 2012, 09:05:49 am
Been away for a while, wats going on today?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 10, 2012, 09:08:00 am

Keith is currently trying to prize the R keys from Si's vice like grip lol
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 10, 2012, 10:26:11 am
Been away for a while, wats going on today?

RWYB day and Si is getting his vRS back........hopefully fully APR stage 2+ and a bit with the hybrid on. Sounds like he needs my tyres on his car though!!!! :signLOL:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 10, 2012, 11:42:17 am

Currently in kwik fit repairing tyre  :sad1:

 :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: chungster on March 10, 2012, 01:31:00 pm

Currently in kwik fit repairing tyre  :sad1:

 :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:

Ah did wonder why the Fabia was on 3 wheels and axle stand!

Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Andy on March 10, 2012, 01:32:32 pm

Currently in kwik fit repairing tyre  :sad1:

 :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:





arrrrrrrrrr stop swearing Mike :signLOL:
might be paying a visit my self :laugh:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 10, 2012, 04:10:16 pm
Poor times. Muchos work required. 

Last run in a second.  Tried various maps with differing boost ppressures etc.  Car does not like higher boost at all.

1st and 2nd gear are completely redundant.  My launches have been horrendous
 :sad1:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 10, 2012, 04:15:08 pm
Poor times. Muchos work required. 

Last run in a second.  Tried various maps with differing boost ppressures etc.  Car does not like higher boost at all.

1st and 2nd gear are completely redundant.  My launches have been horrendous
 :sad1:


Leaving the car down there?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 10, 2012, 04:38:58 pm
Bad news then Si. :sad1:

What were your times anyway?

If you are having issues with the higher boost with APR I may well stick with the Revo for a while - or at least until after the 30-130 day.

Is it just that the map is too aggressive Si, or is it simply that the engine won't stand up to it?

 :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 10, 2012, 04:46:03 pm
Just checked fault codes as it keept going into limp.  Tracked the cause to the connector on the DV not being on fully.  About to try again.

BTW keith did a 12.2@110mph :notworthy:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 10, 2012, 04:52:02 pm
Themap isn't finished john. Today was a test day to see how the car would react with different map.  I've been running it with 4 different maps of various settings via the cruise to see how they react.  All this has been done with stock intake as well

The final R&D will be going on until I get back from afghan in december.  They have the car for six months. 

Ask Pov though,thiscar absolutely flies once rolling but I think the dsg isn't happy with the torque  from the launch though.

Need a transmission mount asap.  LOTS of rocking :sick:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 10, 2012, 05:08:16 pm
12.2 is an awesome time but thought it would have had a faster terminal than that. I guess JonnyC's fastest time for a K04 car has gone for a burton then! (but maybe still fastest FWD!) :driver:

Re the maps. I spoke to Keith today about having APR on, but I will hold on until at least after the 30-130 day for now. Mine isn't going into limp mode and is fast enough to keep with the Revo stage 2 map on setting C.

A DSG map would be great, but I guess where would the weak link in the transmission go then? :confused:

Surprised you haven't got a lower engine/transmission mount though - mine helps, but I reckon the car needs full engine mounts. :smiley:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 10, 2012, 10:20:05 pm
So today i got my car back from APR after the initial 2 days of calibration after fitting the LOBA LO270.  First things of note; Its nowhere near as fast as the Golf R :grin:, it needs better brakes, it looks like it is on stilts, the front tyres have been overwhelmed in 1st/2nd gear,  but the sound of the Fabia stereo is better  :booty:  Oh and on my first test drive i managed to get a puncture in my rear tire :fighting:

The car with the initial higher boost BETA test map is rapid, simple as that, and it feels very very smooth.

However it was suffering misfires.  Something which doesnt happen on the stock turbo/stage 2 maps.  Keith has spent pretty much the entire last two days trying to fathom out exactly why the car is misfiring, it is even doing it when on idle!!!  We've done 5 varieties of new plugs; all different heat grades: with varying spark plug gaps, coil packs replaced, fueling maps altered and critiqued to see if its fueling/injector related. None of this was found to be at fault.  Keith did say the new coilpacks helped reduce alot of the idle misfires though.(these are on a mass back order by dealerships, so they must be changing alot on warranty)

What they have found that stops the misfires is running lower boost.  This 1.4TSI engine does not like high boost. The misfire occurs at 6800rpm, so its not in everyday powerband, but its still there and needs sorting.  Over the next few months they plan on getting around this issue either with software or hardware tweaks, because essentially its pointless paying <£2k for the hybrid turbo if your not going to run it at its potential.

Another thing we have highlighted is the DSG isnt happy right now.  From a rolling start there doesn't appear to be an issue, however from a standing start its spitting its dummy out, so more work is being doen to find out the limits of the box itself.  I feel that there might be a need for a DSG remap though!

The purpose of today at Santapod was to test the BETA files against the limits of the DSG/engine etc, find weaknesses, flaws etc.  We tried various settings on maps today to see what maps worked better, or with no interference from the DSG.  Keith plans on spending a few months of R&D on it over the next few weeks and whilst im working away from May-Nov so ill be coming back to a much different car.

TBH, i think i have been my own worst enemy on this one.  I knew keith had only 2 days worth of calibration completed due to the LOBA turbo not arriving as early as expected, plus i knew keith was investigating the misfires, yet for some reason i expected to be receiving a near completed car :ashamed:

Currently driving around on a low boost map.  Still bloody quick though!!

Its also a pleasure to see an indicated 47mpg again :grin:  Even managed 36mpg on the way there in convoy and at points we were making some serious progress
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 10, 2012, 10:29:54 pm
Had two very surprised, and dare i say it probably embarrassed skyline and supra drivers today though.  Thats despite them smashing me off the line.

Times were terrible though.

think SteveP had a good laugh watching me cock up the launches  :grin:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: heavyd on March 11, 2012, 12:47:20 pm
What were your times then Sy :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 02:05:54 pm
Not good is what they were.  Im not going to publicize them yet as its not complete yet, it was quicker than my previous attempts, although they went much smoother with less traction issues or DSG interference. 

My 60ft time best was 2.8 :sad1:

None of my runs went without a hitch. 

The DSG autoshifts just before the redline so pretty much every time i pressed the paddle to change up the DSG did it itself: the result was missing out most of 3rd gear as it went from 2nd to 4th gear :fighting:  Need to stop that auto shift.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 11, 2012, 03:11:07 pm
You changing like this Si?

t/c off, sport mode, use 1st,2nd and 3rd in sport and then manually flick into 4th about 6200rpm, run to the same in 4th and then into 5th at the same rpm's.

You can short shift in 1st second and then let 3rd pull and autochange up, then 4th to autochange up.

Both give me similar results and repeatable to within a few tenths each time.

I'm trying to resist doing it too many times now as I've proven the performance and a dry clutch system in the DSG isn't as good as the wet clutch one in the RS3 or GTI.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 03:23:07 pm

t/c off, sport mode, use 1st,2nd and 3rd in sport and then manually flick into 4th about 6200rpm, run to the same in 4th and then into 5th at the same rpm's.
You can short shift in 1st second and then let 3rd pull and autochange up, then 4th to autochange up.
Both give me similar results and repeatable to within a few tenths each time.


TC off, Start in sport.  Short shift from 1st into 2nd due to traction being no existent.  I also had to change into 3rd as well due to wheels spinning. Changing up from there on is no issue.   1/2/3rd changes is where the issue lies.  The wheels are spinning like crazy and bouncing off the redline which cause the autoshift, which is about the same time as my trying to change up to pre-empt the wheel spin.  I think once i get some decent tyres on there this issue wont be so bad as it wont spin up so crazy
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: daz_pd on March 11, 2012, 03:35:50 pm
Torque limiter for 1st and 2nd maybe?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 05:35:05 pm
Its something we have discussed
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 11, 2012, 08:48:06 pm
Bloomin' heck! You REALLY need some decent tyres! :surprised:

Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 11, 2012, 09:23:04 pm
I'll be happy with a Stage 2 map i think when the time comes. :happy2: Pointless chasing straight line power imo. Commented similar on Hurdys build thread. I just think these cars are super with 230bhp and for me that will be enough.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 09:31:35 pm
I agree.  I'm not chasing figures either.  I've said all along I think 250hp is the sweet spot for these. I think any more than 270hp will be to much.  Ill know how traction is once i get some decent tyres.  Currently my tyres are in dire need of replacement.  I just didn't want to swap them whilst there was a cold spell.

However the Thing is, if you want 230hp you need water meth or a bigger turbo.  The water meth has more to go wrong, and will have cost hurdy the same as what it did for me to get this turbo.  So I'm hapoy with this route.   

Stage 2 realistically will yield 220hp with the normal bolt ons.  But I agree, 220hp in these is very nice
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 11, 2012, 09:51:31 pm
220 then.  :happy2: That will do me. Just waiting to see whether VW recall the cars for engine work to safeguard them.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 11, 2012, 10:21:59 pm
Water meth will cost about £1k to fit and fuel for a year. The difference is once you have the kit you can transfer it to any other car for very little layout. :wink:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 10:32:31 pm
I've talked myself out of it now though.  Its certainly not needed for cooling on my car with my current setup, so for me to get it id be after the power gain and for the bhp/£ its not that good.  I kindof expected bigger gains tbh
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 11, 2012, 10:34:39 pm
Not bothered with WMI personally.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 11, 2012, 10:55:41 pm
These cars are like a modern day version of a renault 5 gt turbo. Only most of them went bang when pushed hard. DSG does have its limits but I am sure APR will sort something out. I still prefer the good old manual box though.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 11, 2012, 11:13:23 pm
Tunings boring if you do it the proven easy way.  

Trying new stuff and pushing boundries is exciting I find.  Its why i got bored of my octavia

I was actually going to sell this after a year,but I love it now
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 12, 2012, 08:13:30 am
I was the same with RS Focus trying new things etc. Ive decided to keep my Octy simple as I am planning on buying a track day tool at some point, so am keeping my Octy for the road.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 12, 2012, 08:18:50 am
Tunings boring if you do it the proven easy way.  

Trying new stuff and pushing boundries is exciting I find.  Its why i got bored of my octavia

I was actually going to sell this after a year,but I love it now

I agree in part. I suppose it depends if you can afford to fix it if it goes pop and arent bothered about a warranty on a £5k gearbox.

I like to let other people be guinea pigs, as do many others, because they cant affod to plough all the cash into the development. However, i aplaud those that do, like yourself and John, because it makes it eventually easier for the masses to grab hold of the same modifications once the bugs have all been ironed out.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 12, 2012, 08:21:38 am
This is why I chose APR. If something goes wrong ive got the assurance that they will sort it.  Alot of tthe smaller companies out there wouldn't want to pay for any damages I bet
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 12, 2012, 08:27:37 am
This is why I chose APR. If something goes wrong ive got the assurance that they will sort it.  Alot of tthe smaller companies out there wouldn't want to pay for any damages I bet

So if the engine throws a rod, APR will cover the rebuild? If the DSG clutch packs disintegrate, likewise? Good assurance, but i bet there are caveats and very specific limits.  :innocent:

However, i simply cannot wait to see what these little engines and gearboxes are capable once all the R&D and tweaks are completed. Who knows, it might be a direction i take in the future.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 12, 2012, 08:59:31 am
APR wil have to hand back Si's car working as that is how he left it with them. It has the dual benefit of APR not having to buy a development motor and Si getting a cracking deal with more power at the end of it. Win,win  :happy2:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 12, 2012, 09:08:53 am
My car is the BETA test car and under the cover.  You should speak to them, honestly, they are great to work with.  They told me they're assurance cover straight away before we started.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 12, 2012, 09:28:44 am
Would that after care go with anyone else as well though, not just you for being willing with your car to be the test mule?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 12, 2012, 09:32:11 am
Thats something i dont know but when APR release the software and any hardware required it will be within the limitations of the engine/dsg gence why its a long time to develop this
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 15, 2012, 05:20:30 pm
Small update

Finally fitted the Braille battery.  I installed it on its side secured top the battery housing with heavy duty velcro.  I then installed velcro straps to go over the top.  Need a little further work to get it looking smarter.  I need to get some different velcro that doesnt have a sticky back.  Initially i thought it velcro wasnt going to be enough, but it really really is stuck there as we found out trying to remove it earlier.

So, now with more room in the engine bay, we fitted the VWRacing intake (for the Polo GTI).  I could have had the Fabia setup, but im not convinced by where that collects its air feed and think the Polo setup makes more sense.

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Whilst i was there i nipped across to MArlin Motorsport to run my car on their dyno to see how the low boost maps are performing.

As said previously the car is running on the BETA test maps.  Initial maps were running higher boost of upto 1.8Bar but the DSG kept kicking up a hissy fit because of the torque, so for the time being whilst i need my car we have reduced the boost to much lower levels (lower than a stage 1 1.4TSI with stock turbo!!).

I have 4 maps on my cruise stalk currently with boost outputs ranging from 1.4Bar to 1.48Bar, but each has a different ramping rate and have differing characteristics.  For the time being I have chosen to go with the 1.48Bar setup, but with a slower ramp of boost pressure.  From the dyno sheets you can see it has a loss of around 20hp in the midrange, however it is much more tractable, whilst also making around 5Hp more than the others.  

When my car goes back to APR for the next batch of R&D the plan is to sort the DSG out and then use the turbo to its full potential.  I dread to think how much quicker this car would be with another 0.5Bar of boost!!!

So the dyno runs.  The dyno operator at Marlin was having a nightmare with my car wheelspinning on the rollers, so we ended up having me and him sat inside and 2 guys sitting on the bonnet lol.

these are the other maps i have on my cruise stalk for use currently.

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This is the map that my car is driving around in currently.  Notice the torque is building much smoother.

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Look forward to the next installment which will have the final maps sorted with a potential DSG tweak and much more boost!!
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 15, 2012, 05:23:20 pm
As a reference

The Golf R ran 330Hp so the dyno doesnt appear to be a generous setup by any means
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 15, 2012, 05:46:09 pm
Is the VWR intake basically a rebranded ITG?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 15, 2012, 05:57:53 pm
Is the VWR intake basically a rebranded ITG?

It does look might similar to Hurdys
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: CupraKris on March 15, 2012, 06:23:02 pm
Is the VWR intake basically a rebranded ITG?

Yes it is Greg mentioned that they were trying to secure the sole rights for ITG on VAGs when I was down there having the car mapped last week.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 15, 2012, 06:32:53 pm
Very promising results there Si.  :love:

250+bhp on a very mild map is very good and I'd be surprised if the car doesn't make 280bhp once the DSG mapping issues are resolved.

251.2bhp on a 1.39 litre car is the same as getting 361bhp from a 2 litre, so a great result that.  :happy2:

280bhp would be like getting over 400bhp from a 2 litre. :surprised:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRStu on March 15, 2012, 08:09:47 pm
I can remember going to a RR day at Marlin with a rather powerful Octavia on the rollers, 5 people in the car and 3 more stood on the sills whilst the doors were open just to keep it down.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 15, 2012, 09:11:18 pm
Obviously, APR are doing a lot of special work on the car, but do you have any idea what they will be charging for the rebranded ITG? Ive emailed them, but awaiting a response.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: SteveP on March 15, 2012, 09:12:18 pm
^^^ The intakes will be sold by VWR and not APR.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRSAlex on March 15, 2012, 09:14:31 pm
Obviously, APR are doing a lot of special work on the car, but do you have any idea what they will be charging for the rebranded ITG? Ive emailed them, but awaiting a response.

Can you not buy it from an itg dealer?

Exclusivity just annoys me tbh.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 15, 2012, 09:32:03 pm
I meant VWR, which is who ive also emailed. :happy2: I doubt anyone else would be alowed to sell the VWr branded ITG filter. And i would rather that.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 15, 2012, 09:32:27 pm
Just looking at the intake pipe work, it gets narrower the nearer the inlet manifold.  I wonder if anyone is going to make a full free flowing pipe from the VWR intake to the inlet manifold, as that will be restricting the air filters full potential.
Superb figures so far but I am wondering how tractable it will be on the high boost map  :rolleye:
I was wondering if the wheel power is correct, as that seems to be a massive 66bhp power loss through the transmission :surprised: 
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRSAlex on March 16, 2012, 09:53:54 am
I meant VWR, which is who ive also emailed. :happy2: I doubt anyone else would be alowed to sell the VWr branded ITG filter. And i would rather that.

So its just VWR that do this itg filter or is it available through itg?

Is anyone doing better pipework from the filter to the turbo/super chargers?
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 16, 2012, 11:08:42 am
I was wondering if the wheel power is correct, as that seems to be a massive 66bhp power loss through the transmission :surprised: 

I asked this as well.  The answer i got was that the losses are measured and not calculated.  He said dyno dynamics rollers apply a loss that is taken from a database. 

As a comparison my car was running 181Hp at the wheels before this turbo was fitted.  It is MASSIVELY faster now.  Also The Golf R made 195hp at the wheels(330hp at the flywheel).
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 16, 2012, 11:16:37 am
Im sure there will be a lot more power once the high boost map is on :happy2:
 Have you fitted an aftermarket exhaust yet as that should keep the EGTS down and help the turbo spool at warp factor 9  :rolleye:
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 16, 2012, 11:25:16 am
Im sure there will be a lot more power once the high boost map is on :happy2:
 Have you fitted an aftermarket exhaust yet as that should keep the EGTS down and help the turbo spool at warp factor 9  :rolleye:
Its got a decat downpipe, although im going to go for a CAT on the exhaust instead.

Basically the high boost maps not only provide alot more power, but also huge midrange torque which is the biggest issue.  DeCATs give big torque gains low down so im thinking if i go for a 200cell cat in a downpipe it will limit the torque a little.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on March 16, 2012, 11:28:57 am
I meant VWR, which is who ive also emailed. :happy2: I doubt anyone else would be alowed to sell the VWr branded ITG filter. And i would rather that.

So its just VWR that do this itg filter or is it available through itg?

Is anyone doing better pipework from the filter to the turbo/super chargers?

Same kit is available from ITG resellers, branded as ITG.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 16, 2012, 12:21:05 pm
Id give BCS a call, as their sport cats are motorsports cats and easily able to flow 380bhp on the 200 cel.  Thats what fitted to mine and I doubt would impede flow rates at all.
Title: Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 20, 2012, 07:12:25 pm
yeah, im thinking of going for a BCS kit with that new valve system.  
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 20, 2012, 07:15:51 pm

Another trip to St Helens then  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 20, 2012, 07:22:37 pm
At least it won't cost me £40 in fuel :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 20, 2012, 07:40:36 pm

My turn this time  :sad1: lol  Stock map ftw  :smiley:
Title: Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 02:59:47 pm
Superb figures so far but I am wondering how tractable it will be on the high boost map  :rolleye:
I was wondering if the wheel power is correct, as that seems to be a massive 66bhp power loss through the transmission :surprised:  

I've been thinking about this abit as the losses do seem high.  

As said before due to wheelspin it had to be strapped down much tighter, I had to sit in the car with the operator, with guys sat on the engine to stop it spinning up.  They said the MAHA measures losses during the coast down so maybe with the extra weight and tighter straps it results in larger drive train losses......

Don't know tbh.  Ill be trying a dyno dynamics roller soon so we'll see what I get on there
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on March 21, 2012, 05:08:21 pm
Scooby Clinic? :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 05:35:20 pm
scooby clinic is an option but about 40mile away.  Theres 3 dyno dynamics local to us, plus in shoot out mode dyno dynamics rollers are pretty comparable when it comes to figures.  Mikes also going to be coming.  We could always make it a meet.  Were thinking sometime between the 30 Mar - 6 Apr
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on March 21, 2012, 08:02:15 pm
I was going to say a meet would be good but im in cornwall between those times on them lovely twisty country roads. Im keen to find out what my Octy is producing since it was last rolling roaded and to get some datalogs.  See if all that money spent was worth it  :laugh:.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 09:16:15 pm

Its got a decat downpipe, although im going to go for a CAT on the exhaust instead.

Basically the high boost maps not only provide alot more power, but also huge midrange torque which is the biggest issue.  DeCATs give big torque gains low down so im thinking if i go for a 200cell cat in a downpipe it will limit the torque a little.

Hi Sy.
Are you going to add the 200cell cat to your current downpipe? Reason I ask is I've just followed suit, and have got a LO270 on order along with some other bits!.
So I've not got much budget left for a new downpipe.

Jamie
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2012, 09:17:31 pm

Its got a decat downpipe, although im going to go for a CAT on the exhaust instead.

Basically the high boost maps not only provide alot more power, but also huge midrange torque which is the biggest issue.  DeCATs give big torque gains low down so im thinking if i go for a 200cell cat in a downpipe it will limit the torque a little.

Quote
Hi Sy.
Are you going to add the 200cell cat to your current downpipe? Reason I ask is I've just followed suit, and have got a LO270 on order along with some other bits!.
So I've not got much budget left for a new downpipe.

Jamie

Leave it with APR for "the works" and pay for it after Iodine Jamie.

P.s Goodlad!  :congrats: :congrats: :notworthy:  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 09:31:13 pm

Leave it with APR for "the works" and pay for it after Iodine Jamie.

P.s Goodlad!  :congrats: :congrats: :notworthy:  :signLOL:

Not going Iodine until end of June now.
Was going to start of slow with a stage 1, but the little devil voice told me to do it  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 09:40:44 pm
Ah, jamie

Ill be doing the DP after tour.  Your welcome to mine.  Who's doing your software.  Your welcome to come and take a spin in mine

What bits have you ordered, hopefully an IC because heat is an issue
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 10:23:51 pm
I only know of APR doing software for this at the moment, are there any others?

I've ordered a ITG maxogen filter, HR springs and a smaller battery so I can have the polo filter.

Not ordered an IC, was thinking it could wait until after my little tour.

What would be better for cooler running, IC or larger downpipe?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2012, 10:26:24 pm

Pace cooler & Rad, ITG ceramic coated, Hybrid & DP with thermal jacket it'll be uber cool  :innocent:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 10:35:22 pm

Pace cooler & Rad, ITG ceramic coated, Hybrid & DP with thermal jacket it'll be uber cool  :innocent:

I can hear my credit card crying from within my wallet!!!
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2012, 10:36:38 pm

This forum is bad for your wallet  :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2012, 10:39:22 pm

Pace cooler & Rad, ITG ceramic coated, Hybrid & DP with thermal jacket it'll be uber cool  :innocent:

I can hear my credit card crying from within my wallet!!!

Also, you've ordered a hybrid.  You officially have to start a members ride thread  :P
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 10:44:37 pm
For cooling there's no substitute for an intercooler really.  Maybe water methanol injection but that has risks in its own right.

So far it is only APR offering software but that's not complete yet.  REVO aren't ibterested at all in developing.  Jabbasport were keen to do it though.  APR have my car between may-nov to complete the mapping development.

Id have said going stage 1 first with your intake and then when you have the funds get a DP and intercooler fitted with the loba and go straight to the 2++ setup would be the best option.  I wouldn't be happy running stage 2 on the stock Ic for to long.  Mine ran really hot, so I dread to think how hot it would get with a high boost hybrid running 250-270hp without one.

Have you got the LOBA already?

Looks like if you go APR stage 1 you'll not have to oay for a software upgrade to stage 2+ after



FWIW, when you buy any Stage 1,2 or 2+ APR software at offered price, upgrades or downgrades to Stage 1,2 or 2+ are free.  You only have to pay for software again if you go ko4 with someone else's hardware kit besides ours.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 10:46:09 pm

Pace cooler & Rad, ITG ceramic coated, Hybrid & DP with thermal jacket it'll be uber cool  :innocent:

I can hear my credit card crying from within my wallet!!!

The pace intercooler and radiator kit will shed £1100 from your wallet. :sick:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 11:03:04 pm
Have ordered already, if they agree to upgrade free of charge then I might just do that until I get everything in place.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 11:08:24 pm
Forge should have their intercooler out soon, its been along time in development but it should be cheaper than the pace kit because it doesn't include the radiator.  Id eexpect around £700
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: JammyDodger on March 21, 2012, 11:18:14 pm
Forge should have their intercooler out soon, its been along time in development but it should be cheaper than the pace kit because it doesn't include the rafiator.  Id eexpect around £700

Did you have a need for a larger radiator? I've never seen my thermostat move over 90'c. I know oil temp can rise vary quickly
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on March 21, 2012, 11:25:03 pm

Jay,

Fancy comming to a local Dyno Dynamics Dyno on leave to get yourself a health check / benchmark figure to see what your starting with and what gains you will be getting from your mods.  If we make a booking for all 3 of us we may be able to get discount....

 :happy2:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 21, 2012, 11:30:43 pm
Forge should have their intercooler out soon, its been along time in development but it should be cheaper than the pace kit because it doesn't include the rafiator.  Id eexpect around £700

Did you have a need for a larger radiator? I've never seen my thermostat move over 90'c. I know oil temp can rise vary quickly
I logged water temps at rockingham and they went well above 100° all the time peaking at just over 120° iirc but the analogue dial never moved above 90°.

Also this engine eats coiloacks and sparkplugs which dealers say is heat related.  There's massive backligs on those parts through warranty repairs. 

Made a noticable difference to the engine bay temperature as well.  This was with the shark map running 1.6 bar of boost peak dropping to 1.1bar.  The hybrid map when comlete will run 1.8bar peak dropping to around 1.5bar at redline.

That's a lot more heat to contend with, but imcomfortable knowing I've taken measures to reduce it.

Theoul cooler is still on my list though.  Hit 120-128°C oil temps on track.  That's approaching the maxbefore viscosity drops.  Optimum oil temp is something like 87°C iirc.  I'm running Motul 300V at the moment which canhandle upto 140°C before loosing its viscosity below limits
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Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRSAlex on March 22, 2012, 07:59:09 am
Should find out over the next week if Revo will be supporting hybrids  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on March 22, 2012, 08:08:03 am
They might do on the tfsi but they said there is no way they will take the 1.4TSI development past the current stage 2 offering because of the engine difficulties. Its not just a hybrid thing, but also big turbos, they are simply not interested in further development on ours at all.  Prob to do with their Ibiza lunching its engine and a couple of ibizas off scn doing the same
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 14, 2012, 10:49:57 pm
Ive been spending to much time around TFSI_Mike and im looking at vinyl wraps that have been applied to other Fabias.  Leons been photoshopping my car.  Whats your thoughts guys.  Its getting lowered next month on ASts so that issue is out of the way.  Was also thinking of maybe getting my big brake kit sprayed white, or should i do it black?

How it is now

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With some black on the lower spoiler

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Some black on the lower spoiler and tinted headlights like the new black pack vRS setup

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A wider black lower splitter with tinted headlights

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Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 14, 2012, 10:54:07 pm
That took longer than i expected  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 14, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
First time you have said that to another bloke  :wink: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on April 14, 2012, 10:55:39 pm
I resisted posting my comment, in case you thought i was picking on you.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 14, 2012, 10:56:54 pm
So I'm no longer a homo for shiny parts syndrome?  :popcornsoda:

Tried ringing you earlier
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 14, 2012, 10:58:35 pm
so you did, just seen the missed call.

I resisted posting my comment, in case you thought i was picking on you.  :laugh:
I like being dominated.

Thoughts on the front spoiler though?  Think the headlights definitely look better
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 14, 2012, 11:00:00 pm

 :happy2: to gloss black lower valance & smoked lights
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 14, 2012, 11:02:00 pm

 :happy2: to gloss black lower valance & smoked lights
Theres two gloss black lower valences Mike.  One goes out further than the other
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 14, 2012, 11:08:18 pm

 :happy2: to gloss black lower valance & smoked lights
Theres two gloss black lower valences Mike.  One goes out further than the other

Is the bigger one Oem? If so  :happy2: :happy2:  (he says with a cup spoiler  :ashamed:)

Tried ringing, could you let

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Out for the toilet in them morning  :notworthy:

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Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 14, 2012, 11:12:12 pm
Mike is that code for something between you and Sy  :love: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on April 14, 2012, 11:13:15 pm
Mike is that code for something between you and Sy  :love: :evilgrin:

You dont need to add any inuendo, this thread is getting gayer than the homomobile.  :sick:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 14, 2012, 11:13:34 pm
Mike is that code for something between you and Sy  :love: :evilgrin:

You dont need to add any inuendo, this thread is getting gayer than the homomobile.  :sick:

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on April 14, 2012, 11:13:57 pm

 :ashamed: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: daz_pd on April 14, 2012, 11:16:38 pm
I think the Headlights darkened just, there is no natural line on the bumper the works there for the vinyl I think, making it look a bit of an afterthought.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on April 14, 2012, 11:21:14 pm
I think the Headlights darkened just, there is no natural line on the bumper the works there for the vinyl I think, making it look a bit of an afterthought.

Ay!! this thread is all about Army blokes with gay cars who walk each others gay dogs. Stop, with the serious comments, there is nothing you can do with that car to make it look good, unless there is a new invisible vinyl on the market.  :P
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Greeners on April 14, 2012, 11:25:50 pm
I think the Headlights darkened just, there is no natural line on the bumper the works there for the vinyl I think, making it look a bit of an afterthought.

Ay!! this thread is all about Army blokes with gay cars who walk each others gay dogs. Stop, with the serious comments, there is nothing you can do with that car to make it look good, unless there is a new invisible vinyl on the market.  :P

 :grin:

TC, am  allowed to tell him the Black bits look good on his homomobile?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 14, 2012, 11:35:01 pm
 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on April 14, 2012, 11:39:40 pm
I think the Headlights darkened just, there is no natural line on the bumper the works there for the vinyl I think, making it look a bit of an afterthought.

Ay!! this thread is all about Army blokes with gay cars who walk each others gay dogs. Stop, with the serious comments, there is nothing you can do with that car to make it look good, unless there is a new invisible vinyl on the market.  :P

 :grin:

TC, am  allowed to tell him the Black bits look good on his homomobile?

Go for it Greenhomoer.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 14, 2012, 11:40:33 pm
So that's the foreplay  done.   let's all meet up.   Ill be the host.  We'll initiated TC. He's desperate to come out the closet
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 15, 2012, 12:00:56 am
So that's the foreplay  done.   let's all meet up.   Ill be the host.  We'll initiated TC. He's desperate to come out the closet

You have seen his Elise lately haven't you  :grin:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lotustalk.com%2Fforums%2Fattachments%2Ff111%2F182260d1331678278-ok-who-has-pink-elise-img00003-20100720-1929.jpg&hash=1f48dcf2ae85cefcd510c4d85907404ef4dbebd9)
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: heavyd on April 15, 2012, 10:51:57 am
How about this type of vinyl Sy? think it suits you down to the ground

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fhomomobile.gif&hash=0a2b63b585d9c63da7f193993f4420434f52965e)
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hedge on April 15, 2012, 10:56:07 am
Wow that's some impressive Photoplop skillz.  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRS Carl on April 15, 2012, 11:21:02 am
How about this type of vinyl Sy? think it suits you down to the ground

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fhomomobile.gif&hash=0a2b63b585d9c63da7f193993f4420434f52965e)

 :congrats: :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: daz_pd on April 15, 2012, 11:36:38 am
How about this type of vinyl Sy? think it suits you down to the ground

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb150%2Fheavyd123%2Fhomomobile.gif&hash=0a2b63b585d9c63da7f193993f4420434f52965e)

 :congrats: :grin:

 :signLOL: very Fast & Furious!
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 15, 2012, 01:40:58 pm
In sold  :grin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: vRSAlex on April 15, 2012, 02:00:47 pm
Im solid  :grin:

You missed an I.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 17, 2012, 05:44:05 pm
Im solid  :grin:

You missed an I.
:confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: chungster on June 08, 2012, 01:11:37 pm
Not heard much in last 2 months about this car since the big mods. Is it still running alright and going strong ?? 
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on June 08, 2012, 02:57:16 pm
APR still have it for further development. :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 08, 2012, 06:49:43 pm

Sy is currently working overseas so won't be any major updates till later in the year  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 18, 2012, 08:36:57 pm


[/Build thread]  :sad1:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: SteveP on June 18, 2012, 08:38:41 pm
Is there something we should know Mike?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on June 18, 2012, 08:41:09 pm
is sy ok ?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2012, 08:43:03 pm
Dont like the sound of this...
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 18, 2012, 08:43:32 pm
Dont worry it's just the heat going to his head.

Check his Facebook status  :stupid:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on June 18, 2012, 08:44:22 pm
phew
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2012, 08:45:44 pm
Is the 1.4 not floating his boat anymore?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 18, 2012, 08:50:02 pm
DDecided id sell up once its complete.  Putting the saved cash towards a house and ill also be debt free for the ffirst time in 10 years.

Looking at spending 7-8k on a car which is pretty good out if the box, can handle trackday abuse with little mods and carry a family and dog around when required.

Thinking

Mk1 FRS, megane R26, prodrive impreza STI etc.  Basically either an LSD or AWD.fo
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2012, 08:52:48 pm
R26... done!  :happy2:

Id say Clio RS200, but only 2 door is a pain if you need good rear seat access.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on June 18, 2012, 08:53:13 pm
awd is boring unless your going to spend lots of cash on power as they just do things easy so its a little bland  :smiley: RWD or the meg mate cracking car out of the box
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 18, 2012, 08:54:28 pm
Im not shy if making a rash purchase or sale.  The car was bought randomly. I wasn't on the lookout for one by any means. Initially planned to sell it after tour anyway.

@rich

R26 is a good shout.  All it needs is a remap and its track ready
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Top Cat on June 18, 2012, 08:55:04 pm
DDecided id sell up once its complete.  Putting the saved cash towards a house and ill also be debt free for the ffirst time in 10 years.

Looking at spending 7-8k on a car which is pretty good out if the box, can handle trackday abuse with little mods and carry a family and dog around when required.

Thinking

Mk1 FRS, megane R26, prodrive impreza STI etc.  Basically either an LSD or AWD.fo

Is it that time of year again already.  :grin:  seems to have come round fast this time.  :rolleye: Do you want me to dig all the old threads out, or are you going to start another 12 or 13 in the random section again.  :laugh: :wink:  :popcornsoda:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 18, 2012, 08:57:29 pm
Nope. I remember tthem lol.  Same choice of cars for me still lol.  Just delayed it with the skud
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rdfcpete on June 18, 2012, 09:13:49 pm
No mech diff and it's FWD but wouldn't a Leon Cupra 240 give best value for money with reliability compared with those Sy?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 18, 2012, 09:18:17 pm

I'm a bit alarmed that it seems people thought that would be the manner I announced something had happened to Sy  :confused:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2012, 09:21:16 pm

I'm a bit alarmed that it seems people thought that would be the manner I announced something had happened to Sy  :confused:

I was thinking more along the lines of it been stolen/written off..  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: MAT ED30 on June 18, 2012, 09:22:16 pm
or crashed on a test drive hence my reaction
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on June 18, 2012, 09:23:43 pm
Stung by my own assumption there  :ashamed:  sorry chaps!!!

Should've known better! Especially here. Severe boredom is possibly rotting my brain
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: rich83 on June 18, 2012, 09:39:58 pm
Youre in scotland mike? Go and drink a 4 pack of irnbru and eat a battered haggis and that should sort you out.   :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Jussa on June 18, 2012, 10:13:15 pm
Youre in scotland mike? Go and drink a 4 pack of irnbru and eat a battered haggis and that should sort you out.   :signLOL:

Don't forget a deep fried mars bar  :signLOL:
Nope. I remember tthem lol.  Same choice of cars for me still lol.  Just delayed it with the skud


Sy, I take it we're not meeting on the strip this weekend??  :driver:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on June 19, 2012, 01:15:45 am
Sorry to hear the VRs is going.  :sad1: It felt a little like a brother to the Polo! :driver:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 19, 2012, 04:25:11 am
Sy, I take it we're not meeting on the strip this weekend??  :driver:
Not likely mate, im in Afghanistan  :sad1:

No mech diff and it's FWD but wouldn't a Leon Cupra 240 give best value for money with reliability compared with those Sy?

I thought about this, but if i was to get one, id want better brakes, a diff etc etc.  So in the long run id not save any money.  Plus i cant stand the interior on them and it woul;dnt really be a new challenge for me.  I wont rule one out though.  Im not back until November, so i have a lot of time to mull over any decision. 

Im fairly certain it will be a non VAG though
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on June 19, 2012, 08:17:09 am
Well keep your frickin head down whilst you're making your mind up.....
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Jussa on June 19, 2012, 08:52:11 am
Well keep your frickin head down whilst you're making your mind up.....

My sentiments exactly  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on June 20, 2012, 09:38:21 am
Good choice the R26 Megane. If you can afford it I think id plumb for the new Megane 265 trophy over the R26.  Though I might buy myself a Focus RS mk1 again, as they are awesome out of the box.  My old one was just short of 300bhp and cornered like it was on rails. Plus it sounded like a rally car and was great fun to drive....apart from the very thirsty engine.  200 miles to a tank full (50 litres) and that was driving sedately :rolleye:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 20, 2012, 09:16:04 pm
Love th mk1 FRS, love the R26.  both perfect chassis sraight out of thebox.  Only requirement is a remap for them io think.

However, you never know, i might test drive the finished Fabia project when APR hand it back to me and completely love it/.  The biggest issue in the future for me is space in the rear seats.

Ive asked for pics of child seats in the rear and buggys in the boot from guys on briskoda.  If it looks like there is enough room, i might well keep it, i suspect it wont be big enough, hence the rash decision to sell up, however id like to be proved wrong.  Either way im paying for the works whether i sell up after or keep it.  Pain in th ass really as im out the country, so im mulling over my options without actually knowing if i need to sell up
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: heavyd on June 20, 2012, 10:13:01 pm
I was quite suprised by the way my mates R26 goes around corners. small gains to be had from a remap, but he was impressed by the difference, not a bad car to be honest :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS LOBA/APR Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 07, 2012, 03:54:55 pm
So, im back in the UK for a couple weeks, but without the car until Monday :sad1:

Will probably keep the car for maybe another year i think then its going, i may as well use it for what i bought it for, seems a waste to sell it right now given all the work thats gone into it.

Been a few purchases over the last few weeks

Superpro Poly-bushes from Alex@AKS which should hopefully get rid of some of the slop in the handling.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4N_GPTFZElA/UA6QaJngCDI/AAAAAAAADXY/xjNeKAEzC04/s640/superpro%2520bushes.jpg)

Some Tarox 6 pots and TD1.2s from Hurdy which i expect will be the best mod i get done because the stock brakes are shocking at anything above 40mph.  Getting these puppies installed Monday afternoon by the guys at Statllers.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ft8%2Fhurdy_album%2FIMAG0238.jpg&hash=d101a74b6fb32798169355b9cadc8530bf037f8d)

Trying to limit the misfire issue with the higher boost maps with a set of OKADA plugs.  Not heard anything back from keith about whether or not they are effective though.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.importtuner.com%2Ff%2Ftech%2Fimpp_1205_aem_4_channel_wideband_uego_series_2_ems%2F35959802%2B%2Bw750%2Bar1%2Fimpp-1205-16-o%2BAEM-4-channel-wideband-UEGO-series-2-EMS%2Bokada-project-plasma-direct-coil-packs.jpg&hash=90074850011e77237a0696f590c269e7dd1fed2f)

AST suspension i think was being fitted today.  I collect the car on Monday, but not sure what sort of power its going to be running tbh, i suspect its going to be around 250-260hp, which considering i haven't driven any car for the previous 3 months will feel absolutely rapid!!!

Map wise, from what i gather the DSG limpmode issue has been cured., power estimates: not sure tbh.

Thinking of Blyton Park on the 11th Sep with Javelin Trackdays, so it should be an altogether different animal this time.

Spec should be something along the lines of

LOBA turbo
APR stage 3 map
VWR (ITG) intake
VWR Downpipe with std cat back
OKADA Coilpacks
Pace Intercooler & radiator(soon to be replaced with a 29% larger APR cooler)
Superpro bushes
AST Suspension
Tarox BBK
TD1.2 Alloys

Hopefully have some dyno graphs to show in the next couple days.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on September 07, 2012, 04:48:04 pm
Nice!!!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on September 07, 2012, 07:16:38 pm
Don't forget you'll have the stickier rubber of the Federal 595RS-R's for Blyton too Sy. :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 07, 2012, 08:42:59 pm
Don't forget you'll have the stickier rubber of the Federal 595RS-R's for Blyton too Sy. :happy2:

its already running the federals on my stock rims. theyre still like new with less than 1k on thdm
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 07, 2012, 10:05:23 pm
Don't forget you'll have the stickier rubber of the Federal 595RS-R's for Blyton too Sy. :happy2:

its already running the federals on my stock rims. theyre still like new with less than 1k on thdm

lookin good Sy, Anglesey 22nd ???
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on September 07, 2012, 10:54:29 pm
Don't forget you'll have the stickier rubber of the Federal 595RS-R's for Blyton too Sy. :happy2:

its already running the federals on my stock rims. theyre still like new with less than 1k on thdm

 :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 07, 2012, 10:58:22 pm
and you Mr Hurditch you should look at the 22nd at Anglesey its a bargain at a great track  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Hurdy on September 07, 2012, 11:53:59 pm
and you Mr Hurditch you should look at the 22nd at Anglesey its a bargain at a great track  :happy2:

On 9hr nights that weekend :sad1:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS : Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 08, 2012, 07:29:02 am
Don't forget you'll have the stickier rubber of the Federal 595RS-R's for Blyton too Sy. :happy2:

its already running the federals on my stock rims. theyre still like new with less than 1k on thdm

lookin good Sy, Anglesey 22nd ???
Back to Afghanistan a few days before that mate
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2012, 11:23:40 pm
Awesome day at Silverstone today.  

Car is running

APR stage 3 test beta file 251Hp/270lbft (1.5Bar-1.1Bar@ redline)  Still have the misfire issue on high boost so cant raise the boost until thats solved)
LOBA turbo
VWR Intake
Pace IC/Rad
VWR Downpipe
Superpro bushes
VWR Springs
Tarox 6 pot BBK
TD1.2s

And it was pretty impressive on the track all day.  The brakes are nothing short of sublime.  My avourite mod on the car now by a long shot.  The power, i think surprised alot of people and we were pretty much shifting no later than 6000rpm the whole day to limit the possibility of the high rpm misfire rearing its head and ruining the day, but the highlight of the day for me was watching peoples faces as a white 1400cc Fabia piloted by Jonny Cocker flew around the circuit bullying 911s drivers out of the way.  One was trying so hard to not be overtaken by us, that he completely lost it and ended up in the run off  :driver:.

ARBs, Coilovers and trhis car will be pretty impressive i think.  After todays escapades, i dont think i could bring myself to sell it.

Awesome track, and very hard to get right, i dont think i managed a single lap with out messing up at least two corners, which was really frustrating, you mess up one corner then your completely off line for the next two!!.  Plus with loads of run off, its perfect for taking a brave pill when you have a clear area, of which I had a few excursions into the run off areas  :driver:  Mike has some video of me during one such excursion lol.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2012, 11:31:58 pm
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kH3BATbTDCY/UE5Zm5-MVtI/AAAAAAAADYk/hb1xJKkDd5c/s640/028FAAFF-E786-4E93-8DE6-0E4CDBA51DF0-424-0000000A172627E3.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3rMR_vimziU/UE5Zmjzl-vI/AAAAAAAADYg/HUEXXoi_bOk/s800/0AB07D10-4DC5-41B5-A97E-D5B1CC7D6E0E-424-0000000A0125AF1F.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BzW9ZGfYWU8/UE5Z-Ad6TdI/AAAAAAAADYw/CI4uu8ixXHE/s800/20120909_202046.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ukmZiW7RPSk/UE5afs_JqwI/AAAAAAAADZI/tl1uS6vJ_tg/s640/20120910_142456.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8c75JGNT2EM/UE5a-iyy0NI/AAAAAAAADZs/XZt5o_egkNI/s800/20120910_151340.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZKdBDyIwcU8/UE5bKAqKsEI/AAAAAAAADZ0/toqVUl4wX7o/s800/20120910_151355.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AeDcOUeGCRY/UE5bgOlmrTI/AAAAAAAADaE/77pe2TQv0pQ/s800/20120910_161029.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-51e6DXFJJbI/UE5b_IvSuTI/AAAAAAAADbU/d4nW8DxO_9o/s640/D146A186-4FFE-45A2-B278-DE16B7A46632-424-0000000A26489FDF.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-dRHzfOAxPYM/UE5cB-5HfpI/AAAAAAAADbk/twOEw1rWWaI/s640/FC3A34A2-0E5B-4ED9-AA2E-FDC74D187B51-424-0000000A099239FC.jpg)

Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: rich83 on September 10, 2012, 11:42:53 pm
I wonder what is causing the missfire? What plugs are you using?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 10, 2012, 11:47:20 pm
So far they have tried Stock Plugs, A1 TFSI Plugs, BKR7EiX, BKR8EiX and BKR9EiX plugs, various brands of coil packs and now im running the OKADA coilpacks.  Its only there when the boost is turned up, so is limiting the potential output.  This turbo can take 1.8Bar of boost at the redline, were running 1.1Bar so are not even close to running this turbo at its maximum.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 11, 2012, 12:15:39 am
Glad you enjoyed the day Sy :happy2:

I knew you'd love the brakes. :driver:

Your Fabia is a fast car now. God only knows what it will be like when you can turn the wick up to full! :party:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 11, 2012, 06:19:36 am
I was flying a GP2 team owner last week and he'd heard of Jonny don't know what the French translation was but my copilot sort of thought he said "Yeh, that boy can pedal!" he's been doing very well with the 458 in the GT series this year.

So not surprised he pissed off a few porsche owners, that's Jonnys reason d'être in life!

Should ave got him to sign the front wing, be worth a fortune if he makes it major league next year!
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 11, 2012, 07:01:58 am



Thoroughly enjoyed the outing with Jonny in the Vw cup car  :driver:  unfortunately both cup cars broke before me and Sy got a drive. They'd had a long weekend racing at Silverstone.

The Fabia went really really well, if it was on the ASTs (and Sy stayed on the track  :P) It would have been even better!  The Porsche drivers were frustrated haha.

Couple of, not brilliant videos here Sy http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,53465.msg606488.html#msg606488 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,53465.msg606488.html#msg606488)
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 08:16:56 am
Shame i had those two limp modes in that last video with the red porsche.  strange why that happened. not a single issue all day until the last two laps.  prob lucky as the porsche driver didnt like us
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: SteveP on September 11, 2012, 08:19:17 am
Glad you had a good day, shame I couldn't get out of work.

Saw you in the queue of traffic on the A43 a few miles out of Silverstone with the tow hook and numbers still on the car  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 08:31:57 am
Whats that corner where the ginetta almost went off(think it might be priory)? I reckon that was one of the few times that i actually got that corner right

Kept turning into it way too early which messes me up in the next corner big style.

Great circuit.  :driver:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 08:34:43 am
Glad you had a good day, shame I couldn't get out of work.

Saw you in the queue of traffic on the A43 a few miles out of Silverstone with the tow hook and numbers still on the car  :signLOL:

forgot they were there lol.  We literally drove off the track and straight out of the paddock lol.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 09:30:42 am
I was flying a GP2 team owner last week and he'd heard of Jonny don't know what the French translation was but my copilot sort of thought he said "Yeh, that boy can pedal!" he's been doing very well with the 458 in the GT series this year.

So not surprised he pissed off a few porsche owners, that's Jonnys reason d'être in life!

Should ave got him to sign the front wing, be worth a fortune if he makes it major league next year!

It was funny as hell.  No room for signatures on the wing, its covered in rubber marks from the bits of tyre that were flying around the track off the other cars.

Dave, do you have any pads available for this Tarox 6 pot kit?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on September 11, 2012, 09:49:21 am
I was flying a GP2 team owner last week and he'd heard of Jonny don't know what the French translation was but my copilot sort of thought he said "Yeh, that boy can pedal!" he's been doing very well with the 458 in the GT series this year.

So not surprised he pissed off a few porsche owners, that's Jonnys reason d'être in life!

Should ave got him to sign the front wing, be worth a fortune if he makes it major league next year!

It was funny as hell.  No room for signatures on the wing, its covered in rubber marks from the bits of tyre that were flying around the track off the other cars.

Dave, do you have any pads available for this Tarox 6 pot kit?

Probably not with it being a tarox kit. Send me a pic of the pad and I'll find something for you or make you some.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 10:38:49 am
ill see what i can find dave, cheers mate.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: chungster on September 11, 2012, 11:33:51 am
Did JC not run his 6xx TTRS??
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 11, 2012, 11:54:07 am
It was there, just not out on track.  He was taking guys out in the VW race cars.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 12, 2012, 11:50:00 am

Dave, do you have any pads available for this Tarox 6 pot kit?

Probably not with it being a tarox kit. Send me a pic of the pad and I'll find something for you or make you some.

Just spoke to Tarox.  They use the same pads as found in the Mk1 Leon Cupra R, Fiat Cupra turbo an many others.  Speaking to him, he was saying their Tarox Corsa pad is supplied by Ferrodo and is in fact a DS2500 compound
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 12, 2012, 04:18:39 pm
Ahh, glad to see you got it sorted. I knew Tarox HQ would be helpful for you. :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: vRSAlex on September 12, 2012, 06:08:15 pm

Dave, do you have any pads available for this Tarox 6 pot kit?

Probably not with it being a tarox kit. Send me a pic of the pad and I'll find something for you or make you some.

Just spoke to Tarox.  They use the same pads as found in the Mk1 Leon Cupra R, Fiat Cupra turbo an many others.  Speaking to him, he was saying their Tarox Corsa pad is supplied by Ferrodo and is in fact a DS2500 compound

FCP1348H is what you need in DS2500  :happy2:

Dave has sh*te loads in stock usually.

Actually, go for the DS3000 compound.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 12, 2012, 06:24:42 pm

Alex you need to sort Sy an ARB and engine mounts  :party: :party:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: bedford8256 on September 12, 2012, 09:29:34 pm
the mk6 looks well
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: bedford8256 on September 12, 2012, 09:30:08 pm
also are they some comp th's i spot in the back ground
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 17, 2012, 08:02:26 pm

Alex you need to sort Sy an ARB and engine mounts  :party: :party:

I think the rear lateral brace is ready to be fabricated.

Rear ARB wise, im pretty much limited to whiteline. 
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2012, 06:52:17 pm
Well todays purchase

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.methanol-injection.co.uk%2Fimages%2Funiversal-stage-1a.jpg&hash=cae184c3a549616c0f13a0b57ed84f65455dbd03)

Devils Own WMI kit 6-30psi boost operated kit, with 4 quarts tank c/w float switch and inline on/off toggle switch.

Bargain at £256 incl VAT and delivery i think
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 18, 2012, 07:07:49 pm

 :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 18, 2012, 07:14:52 pm
You'll be amazed at the difference this makes Sy. :happy2:

The check valve is the long black connector with two red ends at the bottom of that pic :smiley:

Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 18, 2012, 07:16:50 pm
A lot of the TT RS guys are beginning to use these kits now too.

A Porsche Turbo tuned for the kit will make around an extra 100bhp!!!! :surprised:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2012, 07:19:30 pm
You'll be amazed at the difference this makes Sy. :happy2:

The check valve is the long black connector with two red ends at the bottom of that pic :smiley:


roger that.  I wont be fitting it anyway  :grin: . Hopefully this combined with the APR coolers extra 29% volume will mean a substantial drop in temps from the 50-60 degrees it currently hits on the dyno.

A lot of the TT RS guys are beginning to use these kits now too.

A Porsche Turbo tuned for the kit will make around an extra 100bhp!!!! :surprised:

Were not tuning for it though, its only there for when were running on dynos, trackdays, 1/4 mile days and any other time it might be needed ie red hot summers days. Hence the toggle switch. 

If i get 10Hp gain ill be happy
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 18, 2012, 07:20:54 pm


Shopping list

Delete Okada coils

Insert WMI

 :innocent:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 18, 2012, 07:26:29 pm


Shopping list

Delete Okada coils

Insert WMI

 :innocent:
Your shopping list should be

Mug of "Man Up Juice" and then you can do more trackdays :wink:

Wouldnt waste your money on OKADAs.  I think the fact that Teff made 0Hp with them at 600Hp+ means your not going to either lol
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Poverty on September 18, 2012, 07:28:06 pm
looking good!  :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: DanGB on September 21, 2012, 09:52:22 am
You'll be amazed at the difference this makes Sy. :happy2:

The check valve is the long black connector with two red ends at the bottom of that pic :smiley:


roger that.  I wont be fitting it anyway  :grin: . Hopefully this combined with the APR coolers extra 29% volume will mean a substantial drop in temps from the 50-60 degrees it currently hits on the dyno.

A lot of the TT RS guys are beginning to use these kits now too.

A Porsche Turbo tuned for the kit will make around an extra 100bhp!!!! :surprised:

Were not tuning for it though, its only there for when were running on dynos, trackdays, 1/4 mile days and any other time it might be needed ie red hot summers days. Hence the toggle switch. 

If i get 10Hp gain ill be happy

Ive been known to make over 40hp extra, but im not too happ with the risk of it stopping or not working. My point being that my meth system is currently working intermittantly right now for some unknown reason! so if im running a meth tune and the meth stops, bad things can happen!
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 21, 2012, 09:56:30 am

Would you say 10hp is reasonable when not tuned for it?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Aaroncupra on September 21, 2012, 10:32:03 am


Would say this shifts well,

Cool ride  :smiley:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 21, 2012, 03:16:34 pm
Ive been known to make over 40hp extra, but im not too happ with the risk of it stopping or not working. My point being that my meth system is currently working intermittantly right now for some unknown reason! so if im running a meth tune and the meth stops, bad things can happen!

Is that 40 Hp when mapped for it?  Id presume at yor output thats about a 10% gain.  Coonsidering my output is substantially lower a 10% gain would be around 25hp, but still i think thats alot more than i could expect tbh.

Hurdys certainly never gave him any big gains like that

Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: DanGB on September 21, 2012, 04:38:48 pm
That was at a 484hp reading, and yes mapped for it.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 21, 2012, 04:55:35 pm
The wmi will give substantial gains when mapped for it. A little like having a race fuel setting. If you fit it and don't map for it then the gains will only be 2-5%. Most of that will come from cooling.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 22, 2012, 04:40:35 pm
The wmi will give substantial gains when mapped for it. A little like having a race fuel setting. If you fit it and don't map for it then the gains will only be 2-5%. Most of that will come from cooling.

I thought you said yours never made any more power on setting C with the advanced timing?
That was at a 484hp reading, and yes mapped for it.

Thats about an 8% gain when mapped, so assuming an 8% gain on mine when mapped for it id be looking at a 20hp gain which would put me at 270hp, i might see if Keith can do me a switchable map for the WMI for use on 1/4 mile days.

Im inclined to agree with Hurdy on mine that a 2-5% gain is probably the most ill be getting though, so a 5-12Hp gain at best.

Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on September 22, 2012, 05:20:06 pm
The wmi will give substantial gains when mapped for it. A little like having a race fuel setting. If you fit it and don't map for it then the gains will only be 2-5%. Most of that will come from cooling.

I thought you said yours never made any more power on setting C with the advanced timing?
That was at a 484hp reading, and yes mapped for it.

Thats about an 8% gain when mapped, so assuming an 8% gain on mine when mapped for it id be looking at a 20hp gain which would put me at 270hp, i might see if Keith can do me a switchable map for the WMI for use on 1/4 mile days.

Im inclined to agree with Hurdy on mine that a 2-5% gain is probably the most ill be getting though, so a 5-12Hp gain at best.



Sorry Sy I was talking about the 2.0tfsi.

Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 25, 2012, 03:19:29 pm
Couple pics of the Water meth install

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VI5NYm3EBuw/UIlH4N3sSFI/AAAAAAAADdI/pSAzYYPoWvI/s640/photo%25202.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z7ZLnDV-MYk/UIlH1slMp2I/AAAAAAAADdA/Me9mzSj1gyY/s640/photo%25201.JPG)
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on October 25, 2012, 03:25:37 pm

 :happy2: :happy2:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on October 25, 2012, 03:56:41 pm
So where exactly are you injecting?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hedge on October 25, 2012, 04:14:14 pm
It's hooked up to an IV in the drivers arm.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 25, 2012, 05:43:18 pm
no idea, looks to me like after the throttle body isnt it?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on October 25, 2012, 05:50:33 pm
no idea, looks to me like after the throttle body isnt it?

Err, no! The throttle body is at the rear top side of the engine and isn't even shown on that pic. It looks like it is near the intake to turbo somewhere, but isn't clear. Any more pics?
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 25, 2012, 05:57:10 pm
no idea, looks to me like after the throttle body isnt it?

Err, no! The throttle body is at the rear top side of the engine and isn't even shown on that pic. It looks like it is near the intake to turbo somewhere, but isn't clear. Any more pics?

Thats all i have, and obviously i cant physically check since im a fair distance away right now  :grin:

Just had a look at the technical manual, page 20 http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_359.pdf (http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_359.pdf)  It looks like it is injecting post turbo but pre-intercooler.

So air passes from intake > Supercharger > Turbo > Water/meth Injection point > Intercooler > Throttle body.

To be fair if the air exiting the turbo is approx 200oC after the turbo, then there should be no issues with atomisation or absorption lol.  And I presume if were lowering the temps before the intercooler, it will make the intercooler more efficient and less liekly to heat soak.

After all, Injecting after the IC could still mean the intercooler is still struggling with the heat despite the cool IATs post WMI injection point.

Ive emailed APR for some details as it goes against Devils Own recommendations.  However a few google searches shows positive and negative points for this.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on October 25, 2012, 07:09:20 pm
With the 1.4tsi, the throttle body approach pipe is basically uphill and so injecting there would mean that any atomised water meth would condense and drop back down towards the Intercooler and sit there. I had mine injected directly before the inlet manifold for maximum cooling. There is also another sensor there too, so that takes into account the ECU recognising the cooling effect which is the main thing.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 26, 2012, 12:31:04 pm
With the 1.4tsi, the throttle body approach pipe is basically uphill and so injecting there would mean that any atomised water meth would condense and drop back down towards the Intercooler and sit there. I had mine injected directly before the inlet manifold for maximum cooling. There is also another sensor there too, so that takes into account the ECU recognising the cooling effect which is the main thing.

I really cant see an issue of water pooling when you have hot air passing over the top of it at speed, any pooling would be absorbed by the air.  After all evaporation and absorption of and pooled liquid will occur much faster when the air is passing at high velocity

The images above with the blue hoses are vacuum lines.  APR have installed it as per DO instructions post IC

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eVR7Q5psiiY/UIpymaIlYhI/AAAAAAAADdc/DCY5kXRnCH4/s640/1.4Tsi%2520meth%2520injector.png)

Should never have doubted  :ashamed:  tbh, i still cant really see why pre or posat intercooler will make any difference.  We should inject pre AND post intercooler lol :laugh:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Hurdy on October 26, 2012, 04:14:18 pm
Ahh, that is about where my initial injection point was :happy2:

We then moved it to just after the throttle body to get a better cooling effect to the G42 temp sender.  This was it also avoided any possible issue with corrosion of the throttle body.:happy2:

We just had to ensure that the non-return valve was as close as possible to the injection point as possible to avoid any suction effect on the injector after the throttle shuts off.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 26, 2012, 09:44:11 pm
The ARBs were fitted today.  Originally i only planned for just the rear bar, but Alex had the front/rear kit in stock so rather than than wait for another single rear bar kit to be ordered i thought do the full kit.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ffordkaracing%2FAKS_Tuning%2FRollBars2.jpg&hash=604099abcbd3af3216e9f8825c6215afc4e47551)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ffordkaracing%2FAKS_Tuning%2FRollBars1.jpg&hash=eef9a110eef562528c4c91bd039b7489e1cf5feb)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv489%2Ffordkaracing%2F20121126_183308.jpg&hash=25c97dfd140373b86766eaa97a51d63d52941d48)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv489%2Ffordkaracing%2F20121126_183243.jpg&hash=97ac69bf2916e12b1d2acc4b59b4b5e7500f4cc1)

Alex is doing a fast road geometry check on the car next.

Should be collecting the car, hopefully complete on friday.
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on November 26, 2012, 09:55:07 pm

Beasty 25mm rear bar  :driver: :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Mk2 Fabia vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 26, 2012, 10:00:02 pm
hopefully comedy body roll is a thing of the past

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7fNne2hd3ek/Tj2dU3oBl_I/AAAAAAAACx0/3cUC6mzHbqs/s565/XSP_7396_exposure.JPG)
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 30, 2012, 06:58:57 pm
So i never picked the car up this yesterday.  The Fabia gremlins have jumped up and bit us in the arse again.

Cylinder #1 has lost compression.  This has happened to loads of other Fabias on the older 2010/2011 engines, i just thought i was lucky  :ashamed:

Skoda released revised pistons/rings in September to sort the issue.  But for obvious reasons, warranty work is out the window with my car.  It'll be cheaper to just buy some new pistons and have them fitted.

Have a few options.

1- The older revision pistons are readily available, but obviously this will only wnd up happening again in a another year or so.
2- The revised pistons but are on backorder a couple weeks at best. About £600 incl VAT
3 - Uprated Wossner pistons.  These are on the shelf and can be delivered immediately but they were developed frm the previous outdated pistons, so could potentially suffer the same issue. About £750 incl VAT.

Im torn now.  options 2 or 3 are the only viable choices. 

Well chuffed ive got to pay £400+ for the ARBS/fitting and alignment as well this month :grin:

Then theres the possibility that the cylinder has been scored  :sick:


Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on November 30, 2012, 07:20:00 pm
 :surprised: :scared:

Sorry to hear this Sy.  :sad1:

It was a proper monster last time I was in it with you!

It is a puzzler alright!

If this had happened to the Polo when I had it I think I'd be looking at repairing, returning to stock and getting a Golf R........errrr.......which I did, but without the car going wrong first.

To be honest it was the constant forum oil issues, piston ring issues, overheating issues, dry clutch issues and the trepidation that tuners had in the strength of the engine as a whole that eventually made me bail out when I did. I don't believe you will ever realise you aspirations for this platform without a substantial outlay that would probably be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on November 30, 2012, 07:54:12 pm
completely agree.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hedge on November 30, 2012, 08:26:20 pm
Yeah go straight and get an .:R Sy.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Poverty on December 01, 2012, 01:28:56 am
If the blocks scored, bore it and fit oversized pistons if possible.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: 56OctyVRS on December 01, 2012, 09:57:45 am
Thats not good. Id probably put the car back to standard and keep it with just an exhaust and map. Or put it totally back to standard and cut your losses. Then use the money saved and the money earnt from the sale of the aftermarket parts to put towards another car.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: rich83 on December 01, 2012, 10:30:21 am
 :sick:

Question is... can you safely get the power you want from this lump?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 01, 2012, 12:36:15 pm
It can get the power, it is just the long term reliability. There's a guy on the UKMKIV'S forum who has managed to get over 350whp from his twin charged Golf 1.4, but his car is off the road as much as it is on it and almost every pipe is custom made. Even then it is still fwd and at the limits of the format.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 01, 2012, 01:08:44 pm
Thats not good. Id probably put the car back to standard and keep it with just an exhaust and map. Or put it totally back to standard and cut your losses. Then use the money saved and the money earnt from the sale of the aftermarket parts to put towards another car.

thats my thoughts at the moment.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Poverty on December 01, 2012, 01:31:56 pm
S3 s-tronic?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Deako on December 01, 2012, 01:38:57 pm
Very sorry to hear this, but it was inevitable on the platform considering what has happened to people just running maps.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Deako on December 01, 2012, 01:45:23 pm
This is why I chose APR. If something goes wrong ive got the assurance that they will sort it.  Alot of tthe smaller companies out there wouldn't want to pay for any damages I bet

I would like to point this out from Page 15/16 discussion.
Title: Re: Janner's Fabia vRS Update: Its APR time!!!!!!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 01, 2012, 01:55:51 pm
This is why I chose APR. If something goes wrong ive got the assurance that they will sort it.  Alot of tthe smaller companies out there wouldn't want to pay for any damages I bet

I would like to point this out from Page 15/16 discussion.

but this isnt a result of their work.  if they bent a rod or melted a piston then yeah id be after thrm to pay for it.

Im hoping they will sort the labour though.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: chungster on December 01, 2012, 02:01:34 pm
Do you know for certain it's not caused by their work though and using ur car for R&D etc??
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hedge on December 01, 2012, 03:01:36 pm
That is the question that I would be putting to them quite strongly.

"Here's your car back Sy oh and by the way it's fooked."  :confused:

What's the mileage on it now or is it like Captain Kirk's daily driver?  :sick:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: tony_danza on December 01, 2012, 03:10:36 pm
Did the process go something a little like this?

Build it.
Break it.
Sell you a "cost" upgrade by means of an apology.
Break it.
Blow it up.
Sell you a "cost" upgrade by means of an apology.
Build it
Break it.
Finally go out of your mind, fall out with them and be stuck with a massive bill to sort.

Not a lot's changed in the last 10+ years then....

Sorry to hear you've had problems, whether it's down to them or just bad luck - it's not nice to suffer. I hope you get it sorted easily and cheaply.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Poverty on December 01, 2012, 03:25:50 pm
Do you know for certain it's not caused by their work though and using ur car for R&D etc??

How would anyone ever possibly be able to say? It's a common failure anyway.

Like the others have said, perhaps time to move back to a stronger platform to start with.

Fingers crossed the block isn't scored
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: vRSAlex on December 01, 2012, 05:10:30 pm
Sy, can I collect the car from APR and just chuck a TFSi lump in?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 01, 2012, 05:18:34 pm
Sy, can I collect the car from APR and just chuck a TFSi lump in?

That's not a bad idea at all. I would do that as a viable option. Probably take a lot of work sorting out the loom, but definitely an option.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Cupra R on December 01, 2012, 06:12:31 pm
If this happens, I ain't lining up alongside it at inters :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Statller-Stevo on December 01, 2012, 06:18:17 pm
      :pomppomp:   I got a 2.0 Tsi & DSG 6 spd ready & waiting if your interested    :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: tony_danza on December 01, 2012, 06:39:59 pm
A friend of mine has a 2.0 TFSI running in a MKIV 4-motion Golf on OE management and a spliced loom - it can be done.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 01, 2012, 06:45:09 pm
Do you know for certain it's not caused by their work though and using ur car for R&D etc??

I know of plenty of standard and mapped cars that have had this exact issue.  REVOs Ibiza Cupra demo car died the same death from what i gather.  

Do i know it hasn't been caused by their work, no I dont tbh.  

I know before it went to there it never used a drop of oil.  After the second bout of R&D Keith@APR noticed high oil usage, a leak down test showed no issue, and a warranty trip to Skoda returned the car saying oil usage was within limits.  Had they found high oil usage they would have replaced the pistons/rings, which is typical.  

At the time Keith said that maybe the higher boost was compounding the issue, and I think the same.  Its not the source of the issue, but its probably being highlighted by the extra boost.

This is why I chose APR. If something goes wrong ive got the assurance that they will sort it.  Alot of tthe smaller companies out there wouldn't want to pay for any damages I bet

I would like to point this out from Page 15/16 discussion.

I hope APR stick to their original agreement.  Had they bent or blown the engine I think there would be no question.  But this is a well known issue with many 1.4TSI engines, Evan has already mentioned that no one is really 100% at fault here, i guess he's right.  

Im happy(well not happy, maybe willing) to supply the pistons, but im hoping APR supply the labour side of the work.  Im just hoping the cylinder is not scored, because that wont be funny at all.
That is the question that I would be putting to them quite strongly.

"Here's your car back Sy oh and by the way it's fooked."  :confused:

What's the mileage on it now or is it like Captain Kirk's daily driver?  :sick:

Not trying to defend them, but they havent been that way with me.  They phoned me up the day before gave me the full run down of the issues, they have done the leg work in finding all the piston options, and will obviously be carrying out the work.  If they carry on as they say they will, im sure there will be no issues.

Mileage isn't that high.  Its not been used as a daily driver by them.  Its 20 months old and has less than 14k on the clock.  

My only gripe is that they have had the car for 6 months, but everything has been last minute.  I guess APR/LOBA falling out of favour with each other has resulted in my car being a one off and no longer development for a mass produced stage 3 setup, so it has taken a back seat  :sad1:  Reading all the posts and arguments when it happened all i could think was going the APR/LOBA route might not have been the best idea.

I had hoped to collect the car a week ago but it wasnt ready, so the week i have been back from Afghan it has been without a car, which means ive been in grief with the wife, and now obviously she has found out she might not be going on holiday over xmas now because im buying new pistons instead, so im not in her good books.
 
Sy, can I collect the car from APR and just chuck a TFSi lump in?

If only that was a cost effective option.  That would be perfect.

     :pomppomp:   I got a 2.0 Tsi & DSG 6 spd ready & waiting if your interested    :pomppomp:

by the time ive bought that, had it fitted along with all the other custom work, i could have fixed  the Fabia, stripped it down, sold all the parts and the car, sold it, bought another Octavia, strapped on a K04 and been happy as larry  :grin:

This car would be immense with a 2.0TSI and DSG 6 gear box though  :drool:, id be interested to know what sort of cost it would equate to money wise.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Statller-Stevo on December 01, 2012, 07:02:45 pm




Si In your favour the 1.4 is a very easy motor to build once you've got most the twin charge crap off (no disrespect )

Price it all up and make a decision , I've got a good Tsi motor and 6 speed DSG , I bet I've even got a K04 lying around gathering dust if you fancy and easy 360 hp straight out the box
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 01, 2012, 07:11:23 pm
cheers buddy.  hopefully Evan@APR will be back with the full breakdown sooner rather than later.  I offered to let them buy it as well.   :grin:  no that i want rid of the car or anything  :innocent:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: damoegan on December 01, 2012, 07:44:58 pm
A friend of mine has a 2.0 TFSI running in a MKIV 4-motion Golf on OE management and a spliced loom - it can be done.  :happy2:

Any links to it?  :wink:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: tony_danza on December 01, 2012, 07:47:19 pm
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46377.0.html
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: damoegan on December 01, 2012, 08:16:23 pm
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46377.0.html

 :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 05, 2012, 12:43:43 pm
Todays news is................









Good news.  The Cylinders are undamaged so im going to order the Wossner pistons as soon as i finish work today.  They should arrive at APR some time tomorrow.  Hoping to have the car back towards the end of next week.  That gives them time to fit and reassemble the engine, do the breaking in process and put a few hundred miles on her, then drop the oil again, do a little bit of re-calibration on the map ready for the finished product.

Im in a happier place right now despite the outlay for these pistons.  Plus i forgot I haven't paid for the anti roll bars yet either, so i need to pay Alex for them as well today.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Andy on December 05, 2012, 01:23:58 pm
Bit of good news-with the pistons getting done the car will be more reliable
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 05, 2012, 01:24:31 pm
hopefully  :star:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hedge on December 05, 2012, 01:28:30 pm
Sy, are you not just trying to polish a turd here?

Would you not be better off cutting your losses and starting again with something more appropriate e.g. TSI + K04.

It seems to be bottomless pit for your cash while APR do their "development" work.  :confused:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 05, 2012, 01:30:05 pm
Sy, are you not just trying to polish a turd here?

Would you not be better off cutting your losses and starting again with something more appropriate e.g. TSI + K04.

It seems to be bottomless pit for your cash while APR do their "development" work.  :confused:

I will sell it in a bit, no doubt there.  I can really see me coming back to an Octavia tbh.  This is the LAST of all the mods on the car.  Ive not done bad with the mods i have.  i dont think ill be out of pocket once i sell the car.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 05, 2012, 03:53:58 pm
 :jumpmove:

You never know Sy. You may just fall in love with it all over again once the pistons are in.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 05, 2012, 04:39:06 pm
:jumpmove:

You never know Sy. You may just fall in love with it all over again once the pistons are in.  :happy2:

i might well do.  From what Alex said, the handling is bang on now and I was already happy with the power levels before this happened.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 05, 2012, 04:54:48 pm
If it does work out well I'd at least do some trackdays early next year to see what all those mods have done to it. :driver:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 06, 2012, 10:55:20 am
Well t should have done three trackdays this month.  I was booked on bedford on the 2nd dec and oulton park on the 8th but had to cancel both of them. Luyckily they have given me vouchers so ive not lost the money.  Plus i always do a trackday at the end of december. 

Thinking of either Mallory or Donnington park at the end of the month.  I wont book that until last minute though because i dont know what the weather will be like.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 06, 2012, 11:17:40 am

Javelins weather policy is decent.  If its rough weather and cancelled you'll get to re book

I'm doing Bedford Mid March for sure
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hedge on December 07, 2012, 06:41:05 pm
I was thinking about your car earlier Sy. I couldn't help but smile at the thought of the Homomobile with a broken ring.  :ashamed:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 07, 2012, 07:08:33 pm
I'm doing Bedford Mid March for sure

me and Alex wil take your car on a couple whilst your away.  just to blow out the cobwebs


To tesco and only to Tesco


I was thinking about your car earlier Sy. I couldn't help but smile at the thought of the Homomobile with a broken ring.  :ashamed:

LMFAO
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2012, 05:47:59 pm
todays purchase

4x 205/45R17 Nankang Snow SV-2 winter tyres

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wintertyres.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F199x199%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Fn%2Fa%2Fnankang-sv-2_1_1.jpg&hash=73f84796216e9ad95371a2f65afd4135489c8590)

Im moving to the north coast of Scotland in January so thought id best splash out on some winter tyres, as im pretty sre the Federal semi slicks would have been nothing short of shocking in the snow  :driver:. 

Had these on the last motor and they seemed pretty good.  Not as good as the vredestein wintracs that i used to run during winter, but they wrent to far off the pace.  Plus they were only £75 per corner.  Now i need some front spacers so I can fit the stock rims over the brakes.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2012, 08:50:23 pm

Wise move. Though where is there to drive to up there?  :scared:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 10, 2012, 08:55:05 pm
Not much.  ill be mostly sat on the coast with my fishing rod, so im alright  :wink:.  Looked up the route as well.  Pretty much single carriageway the whole way there, so if it snows, it will be bad.

Nearest track is knockhill though which is 150miles away that sucks a$$ a bit, but i guess its not to far away.  Just have to get a travel lodge for the night.  I have about £150 worth of trackday vouchers to smash before i go because javelin dont do trackdays that far north  :scared:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2012, 09:00:42 pm

I re affirmed my request for vouchers off Santa today but don't think anyone pays attention lol
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2012, 09:07:00 pm
my family obviously like me  :wink:

 :sad1: lol

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Top Cat on December 10, 2012, 09:34:49 pm
so basically the only trackday voucher that you have received was from me... :innocent:

And that will be more than he will use.  :P

Maybeez a polishing voucher.  :pomppomp:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2012, 09:37:19 pm

I used it, I used it!  :P

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on December 10, 2012, 09:45:08 pm

my 1 Dec booking was foiled by the 3rd b*stard OpTag this year (how does that even work?)

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 12, 2012, 11:52:55 pm
Donington is now full on the 30th :fighting: so i might have to resort to going Mallory Park AGAIN on the 29th.  Not the best track, nor the worst, but its pretty short and not to taxing. Beggars cant be choosers.

Need a working car first though.  With any luck on Friday i should have a completed and fully functional car.....

Fingers crossed for you Sy. :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 12, 2012, 11:57:33 pm
Fingers crossed for you Sy. :happy2:
You and me both then.  My missus will go through the roof if its not ready.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Poverty on December 12, 2012, 11:58:20 pm
I feel your pain dude  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 13, 2012, 12:03:05 am
I feel your pain dude  :happy2:
well i should have been jetting off to Sharm el Sheik on the 15th December, but that, errr, got dropped, and is now on hold until i get another time.  Next time im able to go, wont be until June.  Luckily i found out about the pistons before we had settled on a resort, otherwsie i would have lost out on even more cash.

You cant imagine the pain of dealing with my wife when i broke that one to her.

Although i think your car met a more painful demise than mine.  :scared:  id have cried  :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 17, 2012, 09:21:46 pm
Attempt #4 at getting my car back tomorrow  :star:  They say 4th time lucky dont they?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hedge on December 17, 2012, 09:25:59 pm
They don't usually say that Sy but fingers crossed for you being reunited with the Homomobile.  :wink:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 17, 2012, 09:34:28 pm
Attempt #4 at getting my car back tomorrow  :star:  They say 4th time lucky dont they?

So are you keeping the Fabia or buying a 4x4 for the Scottish weather?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 17, 2012, 10:00:35 pm
Attempt #4 at getting my car back tomorrow  :star:  They say 4th time lucky dont they?

So are you keeping the Fabia or buying a 4x4 for the Scottish weather?

4x4s are for loosers  :innocent:  FWD with winters are for winners  :wink:

I wont be selling the fabia straight away, it will be going, just not yet.  I have another busy year out ad about coming up so it might last another 6 months or so yet.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Hurdy on December 17, 2012, 10:13:06 pm

4x4s are for loosers  :innocent:  FWD with winters are for winners  :wink:

I wont be selling the fabia straight away, it will be going, just not yet.  I have another busy year out ad about coming up so it might last another 6 months or so yet.

 :sad1:

 :P

You know the lure of the dark side (4x4) is calling Sy. Resistance is futile! :evilgrin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 17, 2012, 10:28:48 pm
You know the lure of the dark side (4x4) is calling Sy. Resistance is futile! :evilgrin:

Im waiting for Alex to convert his vRS Estate to haldex then im buying it off of him  :party:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Pistons have gone tits up
Post by: rich83 on December 17, 2012, 11:03:28 pm
You might be waiting a while mate, don't think he's gonna do it.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 18, 2012, 09:54:43 pm
Great news  :pomppomp: I have the car back and its quick, handles very very well and feels lovely and taut.

Bad news  :sad1: There is still a high boost misfire, as a result, were still not even close to pushing the turbo anywhere near its potential.  All plug/coilpack and software solutions have been explored and haven't made a difference.  The next route is to try the valve springs, to see if this is a result of weak springs.  This was a known issue/cure for the 2.0TFSI and 2.0TSI. Hopefully this works and we'll be running a peach of a setup very soon.  

Annoying news.:fighting:  New front pads required pretty very soon, which Alex being the good egg that he is, has sourced for me.  

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 19, 2012, 06:55:35 pm
This is what the failed piston (No1) looked like when it came out

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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ro3te1hgfxU/UNILGE0-uvI/AAAAAAAADgA/Jam52oleF_U/s565/20121219_183834%5B1%5D.jpg)

The hair line cracks when given a bit of a wiggle by the tech's resulted in this bit coming off

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YoELbo5NZwY/UNIK80KPjZI/AAAAAAAADfc/I0LeyiMG1vA/s565/20121219_183807%5B1%5D.jpg)


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JEyJHKdTsn8/UNILBhq2BZI/AAAAAAAADfw/1hkGFt-CeiM/s565/20121219_183819%5B1%5D.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FhDGN9Tdkms/UNIK42fjWRI/AAAAAAAADfU/UjipdYo8AqE/s565/20121219_183755%5B1%5D.jpg)

Its very lucky they noticed the loss of power when they did, another run on the dyno could have dislodged that piece of piston and trashed the bore and potentially the engine.

The good news is the car not only has very good compression now, but the cylinder compressions are also within 1% of each other.  From what i gather, OEM tolerances of upto 10% is acceptable  :surprised: That would be 19psi difference!!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hurdy on December 19, 2012, 11:26:55 pm
That isn't a normal failure surely?

The rings are the issue on the 1.4, not the pistons themselves!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 19, 2012, 11:38:08 pm
That isn't a normal failure surely?

The rings are the issue on the 1.4, not the pistons themselves!

No idea.  Its fixed now though.

Not really familiar with broken pistons tbh, so i personally wouldnt know if it was as expected.  Looking at typical images of failed pistons they tend to look alot worse than that.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hurdy on December 20, 2012, 01:20:12 am
Did you get any pics of the bore of the cylinder?

You are right though, the damage is bad, but not as bad as being burnt through like I've seen. Probably the strength of the OEM piston for the level of tune, rather than the tune itself.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 12:04:35 pm
Did you get any pics of the bore of the cylinder?

that was my first thought, how can it be damaged like that with no damage to the bore.  No photos though. The Compression is really high and consistent across the cylinders as well with less than 1% deviation between the highest and lowest readings, so it cant be bad.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hurdy on December 20, 2012, 01:08:27 pm
With such a low deviation in compression I wouldn't worry too much.

The worst that could happen if there is any cylinder bore scoring is that they will bed in, damage the piston seals and you'll need new rings quicker due to oil usage going up.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: rex on December 20, 2012, 01:28:14 pm
Your pictures bring back bad memories:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1237.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff469%2Fvladpanut%2Fsite_P9258000.jpg&hash=cc25add740105ef2db562950c9de846e0b0f651d)

What is your compression for each cylinder. As far as I know VW allows for up to 3 bar difference between cylinders.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 02:21:58 pm
between 184 and 185PSI.  VW aloy 10% difference so 18PSI  :surprised:

Just changed the brake pads on the car.

First thoughts....Tarox brakes dont wear evenly, and the DS2500 crumbles when too hot.  On of the pads has probably 75% of the pad material missing  :surprised: . On a positive mod, they are the easiest brakes i have ever had to change a pad on. 

Now running Mintex M1144 pads.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: heavyd on December 20, 2012, 07:26:17 pm
Just read this sy :surprised:

Glad to see you got your car back in the end, now get it sold!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 07:28:08 pm
I need to before i end up replacing you with the nightmare car.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Poverty on December 20, 2012, 07:32:10 pm
I rate the mintex pads, I run the m1155's and they work very well  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: gazbutS3 on December 20, 2012, 07:34:06 pm
A faulty/broken ring could cause that damage to the piston, I reckon  :smiley:

Glad to see things are back together mate :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: heavyd on December 20, 2012, 07:37:09 pm
I need to before i end up replacing you with the nightmare car.



Youre catching up mind :laugh:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 07:37:49 pm
I rate the mintex pads, I run the m1155's and they work very well  :happy2:

I wanted DS3000 but needed pads urgently so M1144s filled the void.  Next pad will be a more track orientated one.

I need to before i end up replacing you with the nightmare car.



Youre catching up mind :laugh:



Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  :rolleye:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Poverty on December 20, 2012, 07:42:36 pm
m1155 would work well on a car of your weight it seems going by hillclimb reviews
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 07:45:05 pm
m1155 would work well on a car of your weight it seems going by hillclimb reviews

 :drinking:

Ill look into them for the next time.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hedge on December 20, 2012, 09:55:36 pm
I need to before i end up replacing you with the nightmare car.



Youre catching up mind :laugh:

At least you knew yours could be good. This is uncharted waters for Sy.  :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 20, 2012, 10:07:15 pm

At least you knew yours could be good. This is uncharted waters for Sy.  :grin:

Driving it this last couple days, its an absolute peach now.  Great package
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: E30Dom on December 21, 2012, 12:29:42 pm
So what is the spec now, and whats changed to prevent it happening again? (or just built/apped properly?)
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 21, 2012, 05:02:25 pm
So what is the spec now, and whats changed to prevent it happening again? (or just built/apped properly?)


The full spec is as below:

APR Stage 3 with Stock, 95, 98 and 98+ Meth programs, as well as security lockout & fault code erase.
LOBA LO270 Turbo
Wossner Pistons (OEM CR)
Pace Products Intercooler
Pace Products Radiator
VWR (ITG) intake
VWR (Miltek) 200 cell downpipe with stock cat back.
Okada plasma coilpacks
BKR8EIX spark plugs
Devils Own water methanol Injection
VWR Springs
Superpro poly bushed chassis
H&R front and rear ARBs
Tarox 6 Pot 323mm brakes with Mintex M1144 pads
TD1.2 alloys wrapped in Federal 595RSR tyres.

The piston issue should be resolved now that were running a stronger design.  Evidently the misfire wasnt a result of the low compression, so if changing the valve springs turn out to not be the source of the problem then the coice is keep the stage 3 running lower boost to the redline, or revert back to the stock turbo and keep the car at stage 2 instead.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 22, 2012, 09:14:13 pm
I was bored this evening, so i thought id use the windows movie maker and make a vid of the silverstone trackday in September.

Compliments to the mike the camera man  :grin:

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That was on the earlier map which misfired at the top end so was only revving to 5.5k all day.  Only chassis mods were the springs and poly bushes.  Would love to try it again now with all the other stuff I have fitted now.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 03:28:24 pm
Just back from Mallory Park, not a bad day, but not the best either  :ashamed:

I thought last year at Mallory was wet but this year it was much worse.  It rained consistently all day and the track pretty much had 3 m wide streams of water midway around Gerrards, in the braking zones at the end of the Stebbe straight & shaws hairpin and another pool of water exiting the devils elbow where the track goes off camber  :driver:

LOADS of red flags from cars, (one in particular, who repeatedly tried over taking everyone on the outside of Gerrards  :fighting: )

I had a few brown pants moments with the standing water but considering i was on worn federal 595RSR semi slicks i was mighty impressed with the car, it was able to put the power down nicely and could still be thrown about almost as much as in the dry.  I had a pair of alloys with new federals on to put on the rear if it got to tail happy in the rain, but never needed them in the end.

I started the day on the 98 ron (250hp) map but found it to aggressive low down for the conditions, so i swapped to the 95 ron (240Hp) map which was much easier to get traction with.  Performance wise i was just about able to hang on to a Focus RS Mountune for a few laps which I was pretty happy with especially considering he was on summer tyres and I was on semi slicks and that was on the 95 ron map  :jumpmove:

Sacked it early though after only about 70 laps.  Bad guts and a massive headache all day, so after people started going off more frequently, and with loads of mud from the "offs" on the track i just packed up and went home.

Plus with about 70 laps combined with the 30 mile return trip up the motorway returned a nice 22mpg  :innocent:

And im banning my brother from driving my car on track again.  He got overtaken by a Citreon C2 VTR  :ashamed:   :grin:  

Dont think ill bother with Mallory Park again though, its to short and starts to become boring after a while.  Never had that feeling on other tracks before.

Oh and Mintex M1144 pads are crap
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hedge on December 29, 2012, 03:44:14 pm
And im banning my brother from driving my car on track again.  He got overtaken by a Citreon C2 VTR  :ashamed:   :grin: 

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Post by: chungster on December 29, 2012, 03:45:13 pm
Why were the M1144s crap ? Not enough heat?

I threw mine in the bin after 1 track day tho so didn't like them either  :signLOL:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 04:58:16 pm
Why were the M1144s crap ? Not enough heat?

I threw mine in the bin after 1 track day tho so didn't like them either  :signLOL:

They started to fade.  The Ferrodo Ds2500s managed much better on a much faster dry track(silverstone) on a hotter day than these mintex pads did on a wet track on a cool dday.  Fade after 2-3 laps and its only 1.35miles long
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Post by: vRSAlex on December 29, 2012, 06:26:03 pm
That's crap.  I will give the relevant feedback to Dave.  DS3000's next time.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 06:32:41 pm
That's crap.  I will give the relevant feedback to Dave.  DS3000's next time.

 :happy2:
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Post by: gazbutS3 on December 29, 2012, 06:40:05 pm
I''ve not had much success with the m1144's either, and I did persevere with them, but they went off on the way to the last trackday,  although we did go via a section of the triangle :driver:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 06:44:55 pm
I''ve not had much success with the M1144's either, and I did persevere with them, but they went off on the way to the last trackday,  although we did go via a section of the triangle :driver:
I had them on the Octavia, but i dont remember them being this bad.  Poverty reckons the M1155 is a good pad, but after today Im not sure id go with them.  The DS2500 is way ahead in terms of stopping power, so a DS3000 will be even better.  Knowing my luck id get the M1155 and find out they are only realistically comparable to a DS2500
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Post by: gazbutS3 on December 29, 2012, 06:53:55 pm
Found them shocking tbh, and the only thing I could get at short notice was ebc yellow,  they stood up to everything for 2 trackdays, they didn't look very well afterwards but they coped, ruined me wheels though
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 07:07:54 pm
I wouldnt touch the EBC pads.  Ive had them in the past and they crumbled way before the pad was even close to being out of material.

I hate expensive consumables on my car, but i think in the end ill probably just accept the price and install Pagid RS29s.  Ill try the DS3000 first though, hopefully they are a vast improvement on both the DS2500 and M1144 pads.

Today also highlighted that the standard engine mounts need replacing.  You could hear/feel the clunk on the downshift when breaking heavily.  Vibratechnik engine mounts are next i think
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Post by: gazbutS3 on December 29, 2012, 07:14:57 pm
Agreed, there is plenty of meat left on them but i wouldn't put them back on the car. I've got pagid blues in the ttrs calipers now but have yet to use them in anger, they feel good on the road, but hoping for good things
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Post by: rich83 on December 29, 2012, 07:16:25 pm
Pagid RS4-2??
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Post by: gazbutS3 on December 29, 2012, 07:26:34 pm
Pagid RS4-2??

Yep
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Post by: RobH on December 29, 2012, 07:34:20 pm
The problem is the more track orientated you go the noisier they are for every day use and the worse the cold bite is. There isnt the perfect pad for all occasions i dont think, and how often do you do track days?

Have one set for day to day and another for the track and just put them on the night before. Bit of PITA but so is brake squeal and so is brake fade :rolleye:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 29, 2012, 07:42:09 pm
Have one set for day to day and another for the track and just put them on the night before. Bit of PITA but so is brake squeal and so is brake fade :rolleye:

thats something i might well do
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Post by: chungster on December 29, 2012, 07:44:26 pm
Didn't think that was advisable due to the different materials on the same disc so performance is not as good.

Unless you have 2nd set of discs as well!!
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Post by: gazbutS3 on December 29, 2012, 07:54:40 pm
Didn't think that was advisable due to the different materials on the same disc so performance is not as good.

Unless you have 2nd set of discs as well!!

as above, the different pads can leave deposits on the same disc leading to vibration
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Post by: vRSAlex on December 29, 2012, 08:11:24 pm
All depends on the makes of pads.  I have the stock pads in most of the time then switch to rs29's for track.  They are great pads but kill discs.  Even great from cold.  Don't squeal on track but a day on the road will make your ears bleed.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 05:57:25 pm
All depends on the makes of pads.  I have the stock pads in most of the time then switch to rs29's for track.  They are great pads but kill discs.  Even great from cold.  Don't squeal on track but a day on the road will make your ears bleed.

I had a cabby in the Mountune Focus RS that i mentioned earlier and tbh power wise(350hp) it didnt feel much faster than my car, but the braking power (365mm Alcons with Pagid RS29 pads) was nothing short of immense and that was in a 1500kg car.  Never heard any squealing either.  If the DS2500 or Pagid RS29s give me that level of braking performance i will be a very happy man.

He was telling me that the Pagids dont eat the discs as much as people say and 1 discs will last 3 full sets of pagids before replacement is needed.
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Post by: vRSAlex on December 30, 2012, 06:05:17 pm
They kill discs.  Used to fit them to the lambos, xbows,  r26r's etc and they would eat stock,  AP and perf friction discs.  They also start to crumble with around 40% left.   Endless pads were loads better.  The lambo did the 24 hour race on one set of discs and we only changed the front pads as a precaution.  Literally no wear on the discs where the pagids would do a set of pads and discs per 4 hour race.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 06:06:49 pm
They kill discs.  Used to fit them to the lambos, xbows,  r26r's etc and they would eat stock,  AP and perf friction discs.  They also start to crumble with around 40% left.   Endless pads were loads better.  The lambo did the 24 hour race on one set of discs and we only changed the front pads as a precaution.  Literally no wear on the discs where the pagids would do a set of pads and discs per 4 hour race.

Endless pads?
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Post by: vRSAlex on December 30, 2012, 06:11:13 pm
Get the credit card out if you want some.  They will last 4 to 5 times longer than the rs29s.  Google Endless.  Project Mu pads are equally as good as the Endless.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 06:14:33 pm
Get the credit card out if you want some.  They will last 4 to 5 times longer than the rs29s.  Google Endless.  Project Mu pads are equally as good as the Endless.

Jesus christ  :surprised:.  No thanks they are only for a fabia worth 10k lol.  Ill stick with the DS3000 and Pagid RS29 options i think.

So they outlast other pads substantially, but dont eat discs and give better braking performance.  That seems a tough challenge
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Post by: RobH on December 30, 2012, 06:17:01 pm
Was gonna mention the endless mx72 or the ma45b the M3 lot swear by them on the ring. They reckon they pay for themselves in the long run but as your ditching the homomobile in the summer perhaps not so good.
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Post by: vRSAlex on December 30, 2012, 06:31:15 pm
Get the credit card out if you want some.  They will last 4 to 5 times longer than the rs29s.  Google Endless.  Project Mu pads are equally as good as the Endless.

Jesus christ  :surprised:.  No thanks they are only for a fabia worth 10k lol.  Ill stick with the DS3000 and Pagid RS29 options i think.

So they outlast other pads substantially, but dont eat discs and give better braking performance.  That seems a tough challenge

I thought it was too good to be true.  Until the pads proved it was.  I will prob run some next year when I change to the 362mm setup.  Long term I won't have to spend as much as the discs and pads will last.  They perform better than the rest too.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 06:36:53 pm
They reckon they pay for themselves in the long run but as your ditching the homomobile in the summer perhaps not so good.

I dont mind spending out as ill sell it all on when i strip it back anyway so its not a total loss.  For some bizarre reason Id love t get the car working 100% perfect on track before i sell it.  Engine mounts and brake pads are the standout issues for the minute, i should have the engine mounts sorted very soon from another forum member, pads are on the menu.

Another issue the car has is getting the power down on low speed tight corners.  I think it would really benefit from a LSD, maybe a slight reduction in low down power/torque. Id love to have a linear map on it but Keith reckons they tried and couldnt do it because its to difficult to do on this ECU.  Jabbasport did it though and it felt great on that map.
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Post by: tony_danza on December 30, 2012, 06:44:31 pm
I ran RS29s on the 135i both road and track all year round.

No squeal, no fade, minimal disc wear and there was still half left on them when I sold the car - despite 10k and 6 track days.

I had a fair bit of cooling hooked up to them, which is obviously easier when there's no driveshafts in the way. Maybe that's the key?
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 06:46:08 pm
I had a fair bit of cooling hooked up to them, which is obviously easier when there's no driveshafts in the way. Maybe that's the key?

Thats something I havent even looked at tbh.  Might be worht having a look at sooner rather than later.
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Post by: Top Cat on December 30, 2012, 06:54:34 pm
The Pagids have killed off the discs on my Exige, though they do what they say on the tin, they need changing soon. All the Exige boys dont look any further than the performance friction pads, type 01.  :happy2:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 07:00:23 pm
I suppose how well a pad works will be dependent on lots such as the weight of the car, brake bias, type of discs( 1 or 2 piece) cooling etc.

Im sure if i had 2 piece discs and some cooling ducts the M1144s probably would have been much better than what they were.

The bias on mine is practically all on the front, the rears are like milk bottle tops (232mm iirc).  Think i read somewhere something like 85% front bias on the brakes.    Plus the XDS uses the brakes to imitate(poorly) a LSD which will also compound the issue.
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Post by: Top Cat on December 30, 2012, 07:02:53 pm
Just change the pads out when you do track days, it is only a half hour job. Then you get the best of both worlds.  :happy2:
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Post by: tony_danza on December 30, 2012, 08:15:06 pm
Cooking pads (which you have certainly done) affects them in different ways, some melt onto the discs, some turn to coal and break up. The key is to try and work out what operating range your stoppers have and then buy a pad to suit... Or, get some cooling sorted.

That Clio 200 I had only had 4 pot Brembos and 312s, and the would stop all day on track. I'm guessing your car is lighter too? You've got the hardware, you just have to make them work right.

There's temp paint or see if someone will lend you an infra red temp gauge for a day.

Personally with how cheap solid discs are these days, I'd get some aggressive pads and let them eat as many discs as they like - rather than then ruin pads or have sh*t performance.

I've used Carbotech, PF, Pagid and Carbon Lorraine. Non are cheap, but if you want to play - you've gotta pay!
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 08:43:34 pm
Cooking pads (which you have certainly done) affects them in different ways, some melt onto the discs, some turn to coal and break up. The key is to try and work out what operating range your stoppers have and then buy a pad to suit... Or, get some cooling sorted.

That Clio 200 I had only had 4 pot Brembos and 312s, and the would stop all day on track. I'm guessing your car is lighter too? You've got the hardware, you just have to make them work right.  There's temp paint or see if someone will lend you an infra red temp gauge for a day.  

its 1220kg with me in the car.  Normally I go to trackdays with a friend as well, and always leave the interior in so potentially 1300kg full laden.

An IR temp gauge will be a good idea.  Where would i take the temperatures; disc, caliper or pad?

Personally with how cheap solid discs are these days, I'd get some aggressive pads and let them eat as many discs as they like - rather than then ruin pads or have sh*t performance.

The annoying thing with mine is at the moment i am limited to the Tarox discs which obviously have Tarox tax applied to them.  I know the caliper uses the pads from a Mk2 Leon Cupra R, so thats fine for aftermarket setup, but Tarox wont tell me what discs they are so i cant look elsewhere for discs.
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Post by: tony_danza on December 30, 2012, 08:55:16 pm
Ah, I forgot you had that setup. Very annoying. Remind me what size the discs are?
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 09:00:27 pm
Ah, I forgot you had that setup. Very annoying. Remind me what size the discs are?


Polo 6R KMVW0986 B30 6 Pot kit.

Discs are 323x28mm Tarox disc code: 0214M
[pdf]http://docs.tarox.com/brake-kits-catalogue/volkswagen.pdf[/pdf]

edit

Never looked into the codes before

just seen the Cupra R 1.8 Turbo 20v (18" wheels) discs have the code 0214 but has no "m" on it.  its 323x28mm though, not sure what the "m" stands for though.
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Post by: damoegan on December 30, 2012, 09:41:59 pm
I was just about to say that those are the same size as mk1 LCR discs..

Just need to check PCD's. Could always get them re drilled  :wink:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 09:46:52 pm
I was just about to say that those are the same size as mk1 LCR discs..

Just need to check PCD's. Could always get them re drilled  :wink:

PCD?
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Post by: damoegan on December 30, 2012, 09:48:42 pm
Bolt holes on the discs. Same as wheel PCD..
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 09:50:35 pm
Bolt holes on the discs. Same as wheel PCD..
5x100
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Post by: tony_danza on December 30, 2012, 09:54:14 pm
First thing I thought, MKI Cupra R discs. Same size and 5x100.

We may have a plan!!!
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 09:56:17 pm
First thing I thought, MKI Cupra R discs. Same size and 5x100.

We may have a plan!!!

Do they have an offset measurement?  If my carriers are different the central point of the caliper might not match the disc.  Things are looking good though.  This will save loads of dollar on discs.  Wonder if DaveB has 2 piece 323mm cupra discs.... :grin:
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Post by: chungster on December 30, 2012, 09:58:50 pm
Badger5 Bill can do AP 2 piece discs in 330x28 spec 5x100 and caliper spacers to push them out enough to accommodate the slightly larger disc

Could be worth asking him??
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 10:01:20 pm
Badger5 Bill can do AP 2 piece discs in 330x28 spec 5x100 and caliper spacers to push them out enough to accommodate the slightly larger disc

Could be worth asking him??
:happy2:

with the extra disc diameter will the discs not just end up with a ring of rust where the pad isnt covering the whole discs face which will then become a lip?
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Post by: tony_danza on December 30, 2012, 10:13:10 pm
It's a mm more that it usually sweeps, it won't make a difference.
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 30, 2012, 11:26:03 pm
It's a mm more that it usually sweeps, it won't make a difference.
would it not be about 3.5 mm extra if its 7mm larger diameter
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on December 31, 2012, 12:27:44 am
I'm surprised at the 1144s being that crap to be honest, got a stack of brembo 323s and also got bells for 330mm AP discs all in stock think I've got some PMU pads too.

I'll straighten out the prices if the 1144s were crap, there very little difference in 44 and 55 from memory its about 3% added brass but it makes all the difference. m1144/55/66 are all cold pressed so therefore cheap to buy but also VERY funny about how they're bedded in, they're not for everybody but surprised more than anything else that you rated them after DS2500 which is a fast road pad.

. Don't forget PAGID MINTEX TEXTAR all the TMD group there's four or five different companies within the group, I'll tell you right now they're not doing 5 different sets of R&D. I've had people want to come out if Pagid Sport compound and buy 1144......not really worthwhile doing that really.

Can't get my head around Rs29 on road, I'd take 14 or 4-4 orange and some ducting anyday especially if you're on expensive discs
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Post by: Beddie on December 31, 2012, 12:37:11 am
I'm surprised at the 1144s being that crap to be honest

Me too, mine were braking like a champ all day at Spa!  :happy2:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 31, 2012, 01:08:03 pm
I'm surprised at the 1144s being that crap to be honest,

I had them on my Octavia and they werent too bad I used them at the ring but in all honesty i never used to cane it down the straights and used to lift off early because i knew my brakes, being stock would only overheat if i pushed them so compared to this time where i really used them hard over a very short track with not much cooling opportunity.

Got a stack of brembo 323s and also got bells for 330mm AP discs all in stock think I've got some PMU pads too.

would you expect an issue with "lipping" if i go for 330mm discs due to the extra 3.5mm radius.  I presume you have rotors as well?  The discs have plenty of meat on them at the moment, so its probably not going to be required for a while.

Pad wise they are the Mk1 Cupra R (Brembo) pads.

I'll straighten out the prices if the 1144s were crap, there very little difference in 44 and 55 from memory its about 3% added brass but it makes all the difference. m1144/55/66 are all cold pressed so therefore cheap to buy but also VERY funny about how they're bedded in, they're not for everybody but surprised more than anything else that you rated them after DS2500 which is a fast road pad.

Ive been searching the net this last night or so for opinions on the M1144.  Seems alot of people feel the DS2500 is the stronger pad.  Most seem to think the M1155 is a closer match to the DS2500, an that the M1144 is more closely comparable to a DS Performance pad.

I used this which after searching many sights appeared to be the Mintex recommended bedding in procedure.  http://www.bgdevelopments.co.uk/technical-tips/pad-bedding-in/mintex.html (http://www.bgdevelopments.co.uk/technical-tips/pad-bedding-in/mintex.html)

BEDDING IN MINTEX “M” TYPE MATERIAL
M1144 /  M1155 /  M1166 /  M1177

1. Clean discs with brake cleaner or other solvent.
2.  Apply  3 to 4 light applications of the brake from 30mph down to 0mph
then......
M1144:    6 / 7  steady applications 70mph down to 30mph

M1155:    8 / 9  steady applications 90mph down to 30mph
M1166:    9 / 10  steady applications 90mph down to 30mph
M1177:    9 / 10  steady applications 90mph down to 30mph

. Don't forget PAGID MINTEX TEXTAR all the TMD group there's four or five different companies within the group, I'll tell you right now they're not doing 5 different sets of R&D. I've had people want to come out if Pagid Sport compound and buy 1144......not really worthwhile doing that really.

Can't get my head around Rs29 on road, I'd take 14 or 4-4 orange and some ducting anyday especially if you're on expensive discs

So basically same pads with different names/prices no doubt?  Similar to the Tarox Corsa & DS2500 which are identical compounds.

Im thinking DS3000 as an everyday pad, or keep the M1144s for the minute and then just buy some RS29s and swap them for trackdays.
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Post by: rex on December 31, 2012, 03:13:14 pm
RS 4-4 Orange work well in all conditions (I have used them over the past 2 winters and winters are harsher in Romania than in the UK...)
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Post by: Janner_Sy on December 31, 2012, 03:45:53 pm
HOw does a RS4-4 Orange rate to say a DS3000 or RS29?
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Post by: rex on December 31, 2012, 06:07:40 pm
I have no idea. They are miles better than the DS2500 both in the cold and during the track days. So I would suspect that they are better than DS3000 in the cold (no idea about a trackday comparison).
Probably the next pad will be (when these wear out), for me, RS29, because I want to see how they are.
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Post by: tony_danza on December 31, 2012, 07:27:31 pm

Can't get my head around Rs29 on road, I'd take 14 or 4-4 orange and some ducting anyday especially if you're on expensive discs

Fair enough, but I've found something that works for me and I'm happy with the cost to benefit. They perform from stone cold to glowing hot, they don't make a sound, they don't billow dust and they last way longer than regular pads (being an endurance pad).

Basically I refuse to have sh*t brakes, and if that means running RS29s 365, then I'm happy to pay the extra. For what it's worth, they didn't make a dent in the old 135i's discs - I guess it depends on how good the metal is? I can see how they'd munch through an ECP special.

Sy, Votex used to run a MKI Cupra R as a instructor/ARDS tool. In all the stuff they tried, they found Mintex F4R worked best. They're very harsh and bad mannered, but if you want something to run just on track, they may be the ticket. I doubt they'd cause you any problems mixing pads on the same disc either.
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Post by: Poverty on January 01, 2013, 02:15:55 am
Mmmm heard a lot of different opinions on rs29 in regards to driving on the road. I know that even jonny has moved away from rs29's on his car to Pagid blues as he says you don't really get them up to heat.

I'm happy with my m1155's will give the Pagid blues a try next once I get daveb's disc upgrade. I could ask jonny what he thought about my m1155's too if that helps, but dunno if he ever pushed them.

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Post by: tony_danza on January 01, 2013, 08:59:51 am
Ceramics are criticised for missing that initial bite and feel - I imagine he's running massive calipers too, so I can see why he'd prefer the 4-2s. They're a fantastic pad, but weren't available in my fitment.
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Post by: Poverty on January 01, 2013, 10:39:56 am
horses for courses, suppose  its really hard to compare when everyone has different setups! Could be why mintex 1155 works so well for me, as im running alot of pad with my 8 pots
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2013, 10:54:00 am
Any F series pad are hot pressed and completely capable above 250 degrees.

mikes right they'd go straight over the top of 1144...

Just don't expect to brake for a motorway junction and leave at the exit you planned

F series are widely used BTCC .

And let's remember with a LOT of race teams its all,about the money if you tried to sell some Rs29s to some race teams they'd laugh in your face. In fact can't think of a F series pad that's over £200.

The complete cost of expensive crossover pads is making them work at low and high temps if you take the road bit out of the equation its actually dead easy to make pads that work well on track at high temps.

And one more thing RS19 and RS29 are in essence the same pad Rs29s are the endurance version so generally in the case of motorsport Calipers come a few mm thicker and generally are a harder compound which wears the discs more.

The sepang blue TTRS that's caged and stripped that the TT Shop are running uses M1166 in the 8 piston / AP floating setup, brakes reported as "awesome". Squeak like a barstewards though.

The old sweats I work with still remember the day when asbestos was banned......brake fade due to pads in Motorsport is only a 30 year old issue according to them...

@POV

Jonnys Pads that came out were like brand new, he had bedded them properly which cooked off the pad face and made them hard wearing....seriously if I'd have painted them yellow nobody would have known...I think the blues work well with the AP rotors as they match and tend to find themselves both in the same "zone".

Those Rs29s found themselves in Oz on Matt Closes competition TTRS (second overall ALL the time to a Gallardo) but I'm not sure he likes them and keeps having me send him more Ds3000 all the time

Wouldn't like to try JCs  TT on big boost with blues in though on a serious track session...

That said he told me he wouldn't track his TT as he could keep up with pretty much everybody in APRs Golf R with 200 BHP less! Got to laugh!  :laugh:

Ive come to the conclusion that Jonnys not the best person to test stuff as he's really quite disciplined and hits them hard and short, something not reflected in normal track day driving.

If you look at the VAGs on the how fast days.

RobJs Car with JC driving DS3000 TTRS
Mark Smith OEM ceramics TTRS
Dave TTRS RS29s TTRS

I like the Ds3000s but they make a mess of Calipers and wheels.
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Post by: Poverty on January 01, 2013, 11:10:25 am
So what pads are you going to sell me Dave. I'm in the all rounder camp sadly, due to impromptu high speed runs from cold. It will be a conversation we will be having as soon as I'm back on the road  :driver:
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Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 11:18:40 am
Theres alot of pads getting mentioned now.  So in my situation

Tarox 323mm x 28 (1 piece) 6 pot BBK in a 1200kg car (minus driver) with Motul RBF600

Tarox Corsa (which is a Ferodo DS2500) pads started to struggle in the dry at Silverstone(3.6 miles) after 5-8 laps, but in general held up OK.  Ambient temp was about 25oC
Mintex M1144 pads started to struggle at Mallory park (1.35 miles) after 5-8 laps with a notable drop off in braking power. Ambient temp was about 8oC

Im after a pad that could be used on both road/track that performs better than the two above mentioned pads.  so Pagid blues, oranges, RS29s, Ferrodos, M1155s etc?
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2013, 11:53:56 am
@Pov

We're getting to the point whereby its sort of out of my hands really, I keep using JK as a yardstick. He's stage 2 TTRS non track user uses it as a daily but might get up at 6am and go for a blat. Drives it hard on the road.

He's on RS4-2 as is JC, Rob Js on Blue now...seems everybody who tried Yellows (in many cases because it was "the best") had poor results, that's no reflection on the pad but more the case that the disc assemblies run really cool.

So 362s / Blues / No disc shield seems to work, I'm foolishly working with some guys who do the carbon inner panels and ducting for a load of world rally cars, looking at a cool air scoop and disc shield combo 3D thing. CFD reckons there's a 400% increase in airflow to the back of the disc.....so that's going to bugger things up again, JK/996cab have been bugging me for it and I'm only prepping for when affordable carbon discs arrive in the middle of 2013.

That said if you're happy with 55 then save some cash.

@Si

Just chuck some 55s in matey, also check the Calipers for serviceability ....billet machined Calipers are buggers for sticky pistons when hot and it won't be evident when cold.

Get Alex to send them to me or bring them to Preston and we'll do a pop and lube on them whilst you wait won't cost you anything, just hope you don't need a seal kit as they start at £300 per corner
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2013, 11:57:25 am
Also Ferodo don't brand for anybody else, so tarox Corsa/HP1000/APF404 are not Ds2500....Just lookeylikey pads

They'll come up with something similar for OEM maybe Gallardo Rear pads are Brembo branded Ds2500  but that's all I know off that I've seen
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Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 01:00:31 pm
Also Ferodo don't brand for anybody else, so tarox Corsa/HP1000/APF404 are not Ds2500....Just lookeylikey pads

They'll come up with something similar for OEM maybe Gallardo Rear pads are Brembo branded Ds2500  but that's all I know off that I've seen

When i phoned up and asked them about their pad size comparisons TaroxHQ told me that their Corsa pad is a DS2500 compound supplied by Ferrodo and rebranded as Tarox.

@Si

Just chuck some 55s in matey, also check the Calipers for serviceability ....billet machined Calipers are buggers for sticky pistons when hot and it won't be evident when cold.

Get Alex to send them to me or bring them to Preston and we'll do a pop and lube on them whilst you wait won't cost you anything, just hope you don't need a seal kit as they start at £300 per corner

Im moving upto the north coast of Scotland this month mate so not really a possibility.  Cheers for the offer though.  I cant imagine it would need a new seal kit yet tbh, it hadnt covered many miles on mine or hurdys car tbh.
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Post by: Tfsi_Mike on January 01, 2013, 03:45:24 pm

But Hurdy isnt known for driving gently  :scared:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 03:56:28 pm
Its still only minimal mileage though with 99% of it done on the road
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: tony_danza on January 01, 2013, 06:56:46 pm
From your list, Sy, I'd try RS4-2 blues personally - but that's mainly based on having never tried 1155s. Beddie's 1144s seemed quite good at Spa, but then he brakes like a champ, rather than dragging them for 200m and has bigger discs to soak heat. So the 1155s make sense for you, I don't think you need that much more of a step up from what you've said about Silverstone/Mallory.

Oranges, not sure you'll be ok day to day.
I don't like DS pads because of how they act once you take them beyond their range, they leech resin and judder... fine if you never get there, but a pisser if you do.
Carbon Lorraine RS5+ are very trick & fully sintered so no bedding, but you may get noise. 

All this is basically heat management, which is why you can't really say what works on one is gospel. I had 340s stopping 1500kgs, Jonny has what, 2-piece 360s stopping 1300kgs?? Coupled with the fact he has a pad the size of one of SuBo's sanitary towels, it makes sense why he didn't get the same feel/performance I did with the RS29s, they were probably stone cold 90% of the time.

Splash guards off and get some air to them, even if it's just some spiral neoprene ducting held in place with metal cable ties.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 07:24:00 pm
Cheers TD. 

Ducting and splash guards are definitely the first option to consider, especially since its practically pennies to get done.  That might sort the issues out.  Next trackday will hopefully be at Knockhill in March, so i might leave the pad change until after ive done that to see if the ducting and splash guards have sorted it out and fade has gone.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: tony_danza on January 01, 2013, 07:36:18 pm
Exactly - do the free/cheap stuff first and then go from there. You can't just throw money at a problem  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2013, 09:35:38 pm
That's good advice and the 55s will be 1/2 the price of the Blues....

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 10:29:19 pm
That's good advice and the 55s will be 1/2 the price of the Blues....

Your not wrong there

Mintex M1144 £114
Mintex M1155 £116
Tarox Corsa   £152
DS2500         £152
DS3000         £180
RS4-2 Blue    £222
RS29 Yellows £278

looking up the literature:

M1144 pads stay consistent upto 450oC, whereas M1155 pads have the same friction levels as a M1144 pad however they stay consistent upto 550-600oC.

How come Mintex pads are so cheap though?  Are they known for crumbling or something. 
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Post by: Poverty on January 01, 2013, 10:37:45 pm
Im on my 2nd set of 1155, no crumbling issues. I *think* mintex is also what AMD run on their racecar
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 10:41:04 pm
Im on my 2nd set of 1155, no crumbling issues. I *think* mintex is also what AMD run on their racecar

Your not selling it to me  :scared:    :grin:
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Post by: rich83 on January 01, 2013, 10:41:33 pm
 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Poverty on January 01, 2013, 10:43:57 pm
Im on my 2nd set of 1155, no crumbling issues. I *think* mintex is also what AMD run on their racecar

Your not selling it to me  :scared:    :grin:

 :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on January 01, 2013, 11:22:25 pm
If you used a 2ft 3ft Diameter hole saw where my bench is at work I would fall down into a big 1 tonne bag of M1155 Compound mix right next to the presses, they have pretty high wear rates but you have to consider the target market....theyre not producing these for road cars, clubman style competitiors might buy two sets per season.

The dies and moulds and back plates have all been around for 30 years or more.

To anybody considering Mintex If you're expecting pretty colours, wear sensors and rubber backing to keep them quiet in a fancy box Mintex Racing pads arent the way to go!

I was going to get some R32/S3 pads made in F2 just for the crack, in fact next time theirs a forum auction I'll have the winner down to Rochdale to hit the button on the presses and he can make himself a custom bespoke one off set of pads....

And yeas we supply to AMD    :ashamed:
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Post by: tony_danza on January 01, 2013, 11:33:28 pm
Temp range looks ideal, that's masses more headroom for little if any trade off.  :happy2:

As Dave says, there'll be no fancy titanium shims etc you'd get on the blues, but you can fudge it.

3M shims and Ceratec (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINTEX-CERATEC-ANTI-SQUEAL-SHIMS-USED-FOR-SQUEAKING-BRAKE-PADS-/300592948761?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45fcbc6619)
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 01, 2013, 11:35:56 pm
i Just reused the shims that came with the original tarox Corsa pads and chucked on loads a healthy dab of Cera  tc and not had any squealing at all.  Unbelievably sticky stuff though
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2013, 04:09:46 pm
Compliments of JamieDodger I now have set of engine mounts to fit.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Fvag210m_1256.jpg&hash=ea55a370919856240ad20cc09e57c0ea953e643d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Frh_mount_753.jpg&hash=24e464454a08e8862716bbbc4d3247298e5cec18)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Fvag220m_1234.jpg&hash=280cead39786105e3d4784c2c15111e12f88676d)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibra-technics.co.uk%2F_assets%2Fparts%2Fimages%2Flink_755.jpg&hash=436a645658b5528663aa68d2c597052136aa8fe6)

I just need to get the gearbox mount now for the full set
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Post by: 56OctyVRS on January 02, 2013, 08:38:17 pm
Engine mounts do make a massive difference and should help you put the power down. I have a set of THS ones on my octy and love em to  bits. Though I may be selling them soon along with my bcs zorst,  as I may be selling up for a Focus RS mk2 now.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2013, 09:16:30 pm
Though I may be selling them soon along with my bcs zorst,  as I may be selling up for a Focus RS mk2 now.

Do it. Great cars.  Id be so tempted by a Meg RS265 though, and they are cheaper.

Mine was just about keeping up on the straights with a Mk2 Mountune FRS at Mallory although i guess the straights aren't really long enough for him to show off his extra power so much.  He took me out in it after, really nice guy, loved cars  :drinking:.  It didnt feel faster than mine tbh, marginally so if anything, but he had the Alcon/mountune BBK and the braking power was spectacular.  You could feel the LSD while it was cornering as well,

What i will say though is whilst we were there I was managing over 10mpg extra than he was and the difference over a lap was marginal.  He fueled up his with Jerry cans a few times because it was doing about 5mpg lol
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Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2013, 09:51:56 pm
Like a little matchbox car  :grin:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.javelintrackdays.co.uk%2Ftrackday%2Findex.php%3Fview%3Dimage%26amp%3Bformat%3Draw%26amp%3Btype%3Dimg%26amp%3Bid%3D9435%26amp%3Boption%3Dcom_joomgallery%26amp%3BItemid%3D13&hash=efcd493606f79d25118d2602cde486d8cf59b894)
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on January 02, 2013, 10:02:47 pm
I like how well rounded the Focus is and a simple remap to 340 bhp is all I would do, as its pretty well set up from the factory. Plus the awesome noise from the engine!
Looks like your car is pretty much finished. Any other planned mods for it?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 02, 2013, 10:20:39 pm
I like how well rounded the Focus is and a simple remap to 340 bhp is all I would do, as its pretty well set up from the factory. Plus the awesome noise from the engine!
Looks like your car is pretty much finished. Any other planned mods for it?

Depends what i end up doing with the car full stop.  Part of me wants to sell it, but the other part says keep it because its pretty good now.

Basically im not interested in any more power at all.  Id consider doing the dampers, although i doubt i would see a huge improvement as it seems pretty well set up as it is.  The one thing this car does need is an LSD.  Then it will be sorted.  Plus if i buy an LSD ill probably just keep the car and strip it out lol.

as for the FRS, the only thing it has over the Meganne is the engine note.  Great car though.  holding onto the money nicely as well!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hurdy on April 07, 2013, 10:27:16 pm
So Sy, how is the VRS going. You asking about mine made me think about yours. Are you still interested in mapping the DSG box now a map is available or are you going to just enjoy her?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 07, 2013, 10:30:39 pm
So Sy, how is the VRS going. You asking about mine made me think about yours. Are you still interested in mapping the DSG box now a map is available or are you going to just enjoy her?
Im more interested in taking a match and setting fire to the thing.

Steering rack snapped loosing all power steering and potentially the pump as well.

So im looking at well over £1k repair bill.  Thats the catalyst for me.  Its only a low mileage car;<17k, and if thats failed already with only minimal amount of trackdays and otherwsie mostly motorway miles then its not worth pushing forward with.

Spo the little faith i had in her as well and truly dissapeared.  no longer do i just have to think about misfires, oil burning and piston failure, its also steering rack failure as well.  sh*tE CAR!!!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Hurdy on April 07, 2013, 10:37:22 pm
So Sy, how is the VRS going. You asking about mine made me think about yours. Are you still interested in mapping the DSG box now a map is available or are you going to just enjoy her?
Im more interested in taking a match and setting fire to the thing.

Steering rack snapped loosing all power steering and potentially the pump as well.

So im looking at well over £1k repair bill.  Thats the catalyst for me.  Its only a low mileage car;<17k, and if thats failed already with only minimal amount of trackdays and otherwsie mostly motorway miles then its not worth pushing forward with.

Spo the little faith i had in her as well and truly dissapeared.  no longer do i just have to think about misfires, oil burning and piston failure, its also steering rack failure as well.  sh*tE CAR!!!

Ouch, not good Sy.  :scared:

I was going to mention what Lucifer is doing to his Ibiza, but seems moot now.

I dipped out of mine after Steve Jr tempted me with the R. I'm kind of glad he did now!

So, what is next on the agenda? Going back to stock and selling up?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 07, 2013, 10:40:56 pm
So, what is next on the agenda? Going back to stock and selling up?

I think so.  As good as the car is when its working, its not an enjoyable ownership if you know what i mean.

Looking at big barges like a second hand BMW 7 series, Merc S Class or similar to replace it with a small trackday car like a Clio as well.  Although I would love an Octy Estate vRS  :driver:
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Post by: Hurdy on April 07, 2013, 11:18:13 pm
Sounds like a good plan to me. I'd be worried about the long term prospects of the VRS too.

So, why not get a 182 cup and an Audi barge?  At least you'll still have a VAG motor. The Phaeton Diesel is a hell of a barge too, or even the Skoda Superb?

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 07, 2013, 11:29:04 pm
Sounds like a good plan to me. I'd be worried about the long term prospects of the VRS too.

So, why not get a 182 cup and an Audi barge?  At least you'll still have a VAG motor. The Phaeton Diesel is a hell of a barge too, or even the Skoda Superb?



BMW and Merc barges have better Engines than the Audi A6/A8 range IMO.  I do like the phateon though. Something like 182 will be on the cards or anything else of similar ilk tbh.  Ill be trying to buy one ready prepared though fro the likes of Pistonheads classified tin tops etc
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Post by: Hurdy on April 07, 2013, 11:48:44 pm
Sounds like a good plan to me. I'd be worried about the long term prospects of the VRS too.

So, why not get a 182 cup and an Audi barge?  At least you'll still have a VAG motor. The Phaeton Diesel is a hell of a barge too, or even the Skoda Superb?



BMW and Merc barges have better Engines than the Audi A6/A8 range IMO.  I do like the phateon though. Something like 182 will be on the cards or anything else of similar ilk tbh.  Ill be trying to buy one ready prepared though fro the likes of Pistonheads classified tin tops etc

Hard to disagree with that reasoning Sy. :smiley:
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Post by: 56OctyVRS on April 08, 2013, 09:13:17 pm
The 182 cup is a fantastic car handling wise but I didnt like the engine. It always felt like it was going to blow up near the red line. But it did like to be revved and sounded awesome inside when on wide open throttle. I had the Renault press car that was featured in evo mag HN54JYH was the reg plate. If I was tracking it id want a low pressure turbo fitted to help with the slow exit speeds.
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Post by: Deako on April 09, 2013, 08:43:21 am
Similar with the Clio 200 i had. Great in the corners, but sh*te on the straights.

Sorry to hear of yet more problems with the Fabia. Are you tempted to wait for the new Octy vRS estate?
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Post by: Hedge on April 09, 2013, 12:57:12 pm
Current Octy estate with a K04 or is it not camp enough for you Sy?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 09, 2013, 02:12:54 pm
Current Octy estate with a K04 or is it not camp enough for you Sy?

Estate would be great for dogging  :innocent:.  Im not buying new, not unless there is a spectacular deal on.  I more inclined with the two second hand cars route, then when one breaks or is having work done to it, im not without a car, as i am right now.

And it frees up loads of cash to go into a house instead.  Plus bizarly its cheaper for me to insure a 7 year old 3.5 litre diesel Merc E class and a Clio 172 than it is to insure my Fabia with all its mods

Im intrigued what i can buy for £3500-4000.  two cars: 1 Family bus(preferbaly diesel) the other a track hack thats cheap to run and maintain.
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Post by: Top Cat on April 09, 2013, 03:08:29 pm

 I more inclined with the two second hand cars route, then when one breaks or is having work done to it, im not without a car, as i am right now.


Or stop trying to bolt a small power station onto the side of a piece of cheese.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 09, 2013, 03:11:42 pm
Thats the plan.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Deako on April 09, 2013, 03:30:42 pm
If i was a tuning company right now, i think id completely remove myself from the 1.4 TFSI game.

I'd make them handle, but anything power related..........step away...........
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 09, 2013, 03:35:51 pm
If i was a tuning company right now, i think id completely remove myself from the 1.4 TFSI game.

I'd make them handle, but anything power related..........step away...........

REVO did.  They wont go past stage 2. That still doesnt alter the fact that the steering rack has failed on mine though.
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Post by: Trev. on April 09, 2013, 04:31:27 pm
Buy a passat/passat diesel estate and a clio 182.

Sorted
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Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 09, 2013, 04:33:35 pm
Have VW strengthened the 1.4 TSI on 2012/13 models following all the failures of the earlier engines?

On paper it seems a great little engine, 50+mpg, 180bhp and cheap tax. . . .

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 09, 2013, 05:13:02 pm
it is a great engine.  its a work of art, but its not a reliable engine.  The CAVE engine has now been superceded by the CTHE engine, which is basically the same but with all the updates to pistons/rings/fuel pumps./ injectors now included.  They still have had a few guys with the same oil burning issues, not sure about ngine failures, but i reckon over the last 6 months there must be nearly 20 people with unmodified low mileage cars that have had new engines installed and thats just one sub section of briskoda.  there are loads on the likes of SCn etc as well. 

Something to make you laugh, Skoda now sell this car accompanied with a 3L bottle of oil in the boot lol

Buy a passat/passat diesel estate and a clio 182.

Sorted

Thats something I have looked at.  :happy2:
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Post by: Hurdy on April 09, 2013, 06:05:06 pm
The Polo GTI was the only car I've had that drank oil between services. 1ltr every 2.5k miles, and that was good compared to some that drank a litre every 600 miles. VW even said a litre every 1000 km was "normal"!!!

It is scary Sy just how much has been going wrong with these small engines, which is a pity as like you say, they would be great engines if they were reliable. :happy2:

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: damoegan on April 09, 2013, 06:59:15 pm
Have VW strengthened the 1.4 TSI on 2012/13 models following all the failures of the earlier engines?

On paper it seems a great little engine, 50+mpg, 180bhp and cheap tax. . . .



I should be able to tell you be the end of the month  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on April 09, 2013, 07:56:13 pm
Have VW strengthened the 1.4 TSI on 2012/13 models following all the failures of the earlier engines?

On paper it seems a great little engine, 50+mpg, 180bhp and cheap tax. . . .



I should be able to tell you be the end of the month  :laugh:

Did Sy's build thread not put you off then?  :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - The car is back home finally!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on April 09, 2013, 07:58:14 pm
Should have gone on briskoda.  That would have put you off lol.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 15, 2013, 09:18:55 pm
Has any body seen my car?  Ive made a missing car advert.


A particularly gay looking Skoda Fabia (driven by a manly man though)
Last Seen littering a garage Milton Keynes many months ago
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-94mcudeCits/UW2NWVC6CnI/AAAAAAAADos/6ijtgnhqLYE/w689-h918-no/D146A186-4FFE-45A2-B278-DE16B7A46632-424-0000000A26489FDF.jpg)
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Post by: vRS Carl on May 15, 2013, 09:48:05 pm
Has any body seen my car?  Ive made a missing car advert.


A particularly gay looking Skoda Fabia (driven by a manly man though)
Last Seen littering a garage Milton Keynes many months ago
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-94mcudeCits/UW2NWVC6CnI/AAAAAAAADos/6ijtgnhqLYE/w689-h918-no/D146A186-4FFE-45A2-B278-DE16B7A46632-424-0000000A26489FDF.jpg)

 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hedge on May 15, 2013, 10:13:47 pm
The APR discourtesy car.  :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hurdy on May 16, 2013, 08:14:01 pm
I guess the question is.....should it be at the Milton Keynes APR  HQ?

Or is it now over at Race Developments where all the cars APR break go? .......... Allegedly! :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 16, 2013, 09:47:59 pm
All parts being shipped down this week.  Im getting a stock car back.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: vRSAlex on May 16, 2013, 11:26:51 pm
I don't think any of the cars have gone to race developments so far, just all the engines.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hurdy on May 16, 2013, 11:42:56 pm
I don't think any of the cars have gone to race developments so far, just all the engines.

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hurdy on May 16, 2013, 11:44:15 pm
All parts being shipped down this week.  Im getting a stock car back.

So what is next on the plan Sy?

Sell the VRs and get something else?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: MAT ED30 on May 16, 2013, 11:52:35 pm
Don't blame you if your stripping it as its been a big pain in the arse from reading this thread
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Janner_Sy on May 17, 2013, 07:57:58 am
I don't think any of the cars have gone to race developments so far, just all the engines.

From what I gather, Race Developments do all the engine building for them as there is no one n house to do it.


So what is next on the plan Sy?

Sell the VRs and get something else?

The vRS is going.  I have no faith in its reliability which completely ruins the ownership of the car.  That aside its a great package though so its a shame.

Whats next is anyones guess.  Im looking at second hand big luxury barges(7 series, E or S class etc) for around £6-7k and a ready built ready to race track car from the likes of piston heads for around £3-4k.

That said, id love to come back to a 2.0TFSI platform again but a pure stealth setup that no one wil know is modified.

Id like a 2,0TFSI A3 Quattro, with Power: K04 turbo, APR HPFP, S3 cooler, stock intake, stock exhaust (Precat removed) custom software, then Chassis: Lower engine mount, TT lower arms & top mounts for extra neg camber, Uprated ARBs, S3 brakes with 2 piece TRD 345mm discs/Pagid pads and poly bushes whilst still on stock suspension(maybe an upgrade to S3 spec at most)

Something that has masses of grip, 100% stock ride quality and height, loads of cornering grip, loads of braking performance, and easily over 300Hp with none of the noise or whooshing to give it away.  All in a reserved looking A3 lol.  That seems interesting to me for some reason.  :innocent:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: rex on May 17, 2013, 08:09:50 am
Whenever someone is selling their car, especially since a lot of money and passion was put into it is a very sad moment  :sad1:.
The reason for the sale is even sadder  :sad1: !
Looking forward to seeing your next build thread!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hurdy on May 17, 2013, 10:39:18 am
I was roughly in the same boat as you Sy, except the Polo was still running well and it was the unwillingness of tuners and the worry of if/when it would go wrong. :scared:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Poverty on June 03, 2013, 04:36:19 pm
sorry to hear this!

S3 or twin car route. Tempting!

Seeing as you like trackdays though id say go the twin car route. Those clio cups are soooooo cheap to run. 30 pounds for uprated brembo brakes discs, costs me 300 just for sh*tty stock ttrs ones.

Track ready toy time  :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 03, 2013, 07:51:18 pm
sorry to hear this!

S3 or twin car route. Tempting!

Seeing as you like trackdays though id say go the twin car route. Those clio cups are soooooo cheap to run. 30 pounds for uprated brembo brakes discs, costs me 300 just for sh*tty stock ttrs ones.

Track ready toy time  :happy2:

The twin car route might well be getting axed. 

My car insurance phoned me up for my mondeo run about and told me my no claims bonus that I used cannot be applied to the Mondeo because it is being used on the Fabia policy and it can only ever be used on one policy.

I argued that it was me who has earnt the no claims, not the car, but in their eyes the car has the no claims and I need to build up a second set of no claims on the other car.  I then asked what happens if i crash one car, do i lose both sets of no claims to the answer ...Yes.  He didnt agree that contradicted his first point though  :fighting:

I have two cars:  #1 Fabia vRS worth 10k highly modified. 250hp.  #2 Mondeo 1.8LX worth £200. 115Hp.

The mondeo costs me over twice the amount of the Fabia despite being 50 times cheaper, un modified and less than half the power!!!  Im not willing to pay that, its ridiculous

Anyway, long story short, Ill be getting one motor for the time being.  Not sure what, there isnt a huge amount for sale near me tbh, and the nearest track is about 200 miles away, so i might just get a luxury barge with some nice power to tide me over for the next 2 years whilst im living on the north coast of scotland especially as im only doing about 400 miles a month.

Update on the Fabia.........

APR reckon it should be ready this week.   :confused:  Not the first time ive heard that though. 

Stock turbo is going on this week as is the stock IC/radiator.  WMI is coming off for mikes Cupra, then the rest comes off as soon as its back up here.  hopefully by July, I wont own a Fabia...
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: vRS Carl on June 03, 2013, 08:24:51 pm
Who are you insured with? Have you tried another Insurance Company to see if they do the same?
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Hedge on June 03, 2013, 08:26:33 pm
APR reckon it should be ready this week.   :confused:  Not the first time ive heard that though.  

 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Janner_Sy on June 03, 2013, 10:56:48 pm
Who are you insured with? Have you tried another Insurance Company to see if they do the same?

The Mondeo was Swinton, the Fabia is Prestige, Now both are with Prestige.  I got a small discount but not much.  trie a load of other companies, but the ones that do offer a decent discout on a second vehicle wont cover anything modified.

TBH, its a blessing really.  It means i can save more money instead of needlesly wasting it.

Plenty of Nice BMW/Mercs/Audis on the market for sub 8-10k that wil put a smile on my face with no need to tweak them.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Poverty on June 03, 2013, 11:29:30 pm
Tis a shame. Won't bother mentioning that my mate only pays 200 pounds to insure his mx5 in London on a classic car policy then.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Has anyone seen my car?
Post by: Jussa on June 03, 2013, 11:34:48 pm
sorry to hear this!

S3 or twin car route. Tempting!

Seeing as you like trackdays though id say go the twin car route. Those clio cups are soooooo cheap to run. 30 pounds for uprated brembo brakes discs, costs me 300 just for sh*tty stock ttrs ones.

Track ready toy time  :happy2:

The twin car route might well be getting axed. 

My car insurance phoned me up for my mondeo run about and told me my no claims bonus that I used cannot be applied to the Mondeo because it is being used on the Fabia policy and it can only ever be used on one policy.

I argued that it was me who has earnt the no claims, not the car, but in their eyes the car has the no claims and I need to build up a second set of no claims on the other car.  I then asked what happens if i crash one car, do i lose both sets of no claims to the answer ...Yes.  He didnt agree that contradicted his first point though  :fighting:

I have two cars:  #1 Fabia vRS worth 10k highly modified. 250hp.  #2 Mondeo 1.8LX worth £200. 115Hp.

The mondeo costs me over twice the amount of the Fabia despite being 50 times cheaper, un modified and less than half the power!!!  Im not willing to pay that, its ridiculous

Anyway, long story short, Ill be getting one motor for the time being.  Not sure what, there isnt a huge amount for sale near me tbh, and the nearest track is about 200 miles away, so i might just get a luxury barge with some nice power to tide me over for the next 2 years whilst im living on the north coast of scotland especially as im only doing about 400 miles a month.

Update on the Fabia.........

APR reckon it should be ready this week.   :confused:  Not the first time ive heard that though. 

Stock turbo is going on this week as is the stock IC/radiator.  WMI is coming off for mikes Cupra, then the rest comes off as soon as its back up here.  hopefully by July, I wont own a Fabia...

Sy, I had the same problem when insuring a 2nd car, and it is a PITA, exactly the same story as u but there's nothing u can do about it, they insure the car not the driver!!   :fighting:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now Replaced with a proper car!!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 21, 2013, 04:02:05 pm
Well guys, this thread is no more.  She has GONE!!!!

I got £8700 for her in the end which I was very happy with considering the faulty power steering, the cracked rear bumper from APRs workshop, missing front tow eye cover (its somewhere in Silverstone race track) and different alloys to what it came from the factory with (Anthracite Gigaros instead of Black Gigaro's)

Had he looked in the engine bay he would have also noticed the cracked battery cover, crushed air intake pipe, if he had looked in the boot he would have seen the massive holes left from the WMI tank and in the interior he might have noticed the Green LED on the dash for the WMI, but the guy never showed much interest in looking in the car  :innocent:  I went in happy to accept about £7k!!!  So £8700 for a car which wasnt in very good condition was a result for me.

She was replaced with a year old Focus ST2 with 4k on the clock.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-corSVPikx4M/Uj2u5DIV0fI/AAAAAAAAFUw/f19pAd7jFkE/w1535-h865-no/DSCF1072.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7iwHc5hPLGE/Uj2vgCbq7qI/AAAAAAAAFVQ/hq56auYE8XQ/w1535-h865-no/DSCF1075.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nI0gQ5KvwQo/Uj2vm2CkEaI/AAAAAAAAFVY/t7OnFQY5LS8/w1535-h865-no/DSCF1076.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dzKG7d7Fa0o/Uj2vtlfCK6I/AAAAAAAAFVg/hDm8fbvE4ck/w1535-h865-no/DSCF1078.JPG)

Lovely car to drive.  Superb handling out of the box.  Im thinking mild on the modifying front.  The Mountune 275 package, a rear ARB and some better pads/fluid.  Then im just going to drive it.  Looking back the Fabia spent around 14 months parked up between Sharks, Jabbasports and APRs Workshops!!!  I certainluy dont plan on that happening again!!
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Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: JoeDarKa on September 21, 2013, 04:23:07 pm
Looks a nice one, not seen any red ones before!
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on September 21, 2013, 04:27:54 pm
Thought you said you'd replaced the VRS with a proper car! :P

Only kidding Sy :love:

Just enjoy it and pop on here when you fancy a change from the ST forums. You do realise that they are bringing out a diesel version of that Focus. Apparently it travels quickly, and you can't tell the missis when you've got one.

It's called an STD! :booty:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 21, 2013, 04:31:34 pm
one.

It's called an STD! :booty:
Lol
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 21, 2013, 09:35:26 pm
Good choice on the car there Sy. I was thinking of Mountune but I just opted for a Bluefin. My next mod is to fit the high flow air box from the ST as Mountune do and fit some Eibachs. Maybe a BCS exhaust but thats about it.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 21, 2013, 09:52:42 pm
Im only thinking Mountune for Warranty purposes, plus it means ill stay at a reasonable tune on the car and not go hunting power again lol
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 21, 2013, 10:05:15 pm
I thought that too but it uninstalls in less than 2 mins so I keep the bluefin handset in the car. Mountune do all sorts of nice goodies like uprated intercoolers, intakes, uprated engine mounts etc :wink:
Even my 1.6t is bloody fast once above 4k so yours should be really good once remapped. The Bluefins map to about 280bhp. I did fit a k&n filter in the air box but I have reinstalled the oe paper again.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 21, 2013, 10:31:23 pm
I thought that too but it uninstalls in less than 2 mins so I keep the bluefin handset in the car. Mountune do all sorts of nice goodies like uprated intercoolers, intakes, uprated engine mounts etc :wink:
Even my 1.6t is bloody fast once above 4k so yours should be really good once remapped. The Bluefins map to about 280bhp. I did fit a k&n filter in the air box but I have reinstalled the oe paper again.


the Mountne 275ps package includes an intake and intercooler on the Focus.  Apparently the turbo/manifold are pretty restrictive so EGTs and IATs are an issue even at stage 1
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 22, 2013, 09:20:19 pm
Yes as Ford saw fit to integrate the exhaust manifold into part of the cylinder head. Although im sure the addition of a free flow BCS exhaust and sports cat would help reduce the egts. I might swap out the cat for a sports cat and leave the rest of the exhaust std.
I have seen the new intake pipe mountune do and it is supposed to be free flowing along with the 47s k&n filter with the open end. I will uprate the rear engine mount to remove engine movement and fit the shirt shift mountune gearbox linkage. I would love to get the ST but I am going to wait and see if they release the RS in 2015. If not I will get the ST then. But I have been given the go ahead to get a mk1 RS to have as a track day toy. Just need to save the pennies now to buy one and mod it.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: mortygttdi on September 26, 2013, 08:45:16 pm
I have the rear motor mount installed now buddy and it does make a difference, not massive but you can tell its there.

Some good figures coming out of the 2.0 ecoboost, Daz over on the FocusSTOC has the TBE, Bluefin and CAI and that is pushing short of 300hp and a massive 435ft lb :scared: There is a couple of cars over there on decent power with bolt ons. There biggest problem with the ST is its brakes.  And yes the ST's mani is integrated into the head but if you was to go further with a more free flowing mani and big turbo you could fit the Mondeo 2.0 ecoboost head, with has a separate manifold.

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 27, 2013, 02:32:38 pm

And it begins  :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Thor on September 27, 2013, 04:38:48 pm

And it begins  :grin:

 :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on September 27, 2013, 05:05:25 pm
^^^^^ :signLOL:^^^^^

How long before it is sat in a tuners shop being fully built :driver:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 27, 2013, 07:29:14 pm
Well if its the Mountune workshop. ...about 90 mins whilst the parts are fitted. Considerably less time than the last build.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hedge on September 27, 2013, 07:39:14 pm
You mean Sy actually gets to drive a car he's purchased rather than have to buy another while it's parked in Milton Keynes.  :surprised:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 27, 2013, 08:42:11 pm
I have the rear motor mount installed now buddy and it does make a difference, not massive but you can tell its there.


No no  no no  :grin:

Remap of some sort, probably mountune tbh, that is it for power options.  The lower engine mount is definitely needed, it does suffer wheel hop and axle tramp a fair bit IMO.  A rear ARB is a definite, and maybe an LSD.   Brakes will get a set of good pads and some fluid, but that aside, its getting nothing else done to it.

Ive been officially put off modifying by the last debacle!!

You mean Sy actually gets to drive a car he's purchased rather than have to buy another while it's parked in Milton Keynes.  :surprised:

No comment  :laugh:

^^^^^ :signLOL:^^^^^

How long before it is sat in a tuners shop being fully built :driver:

No chance  :sick:.  this doesnt need much to be a great car, its already 90% there.  A smidgeon of extra power and very minor handling goodies and it'll be perfect.  This is why i went back to a Ford.  
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 27, 2013, 08:52:05 pm
Some good figures coming out of the 2.0 ecoboost, Daz over on the FocusSTOC has the TBE, Bluefin and CAI and that is pushing short of 300hp and a massive 435ft lb :scared: There is a couple of cars over there on decent power with bolt ons. There biggest problem with the ST is its brakes.  And yes the ST's mani is integrated into the head but if you was to go further with a more free flowing mani and big turbo you could fit the Mondeo 2.0 ecoboost head, with has a separate manifold.



I was shocked at how restrictive the CAT back system is on the ST.  On VAGs it gives pretty much 0Hp.  On the ST it gave nearly 17Hp!!!!

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi756.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fxx202%2Fsimonskerton%2Fphoto.jpg&hash=5f6b715fe3d92ac78038d845e65677560fd21484)

[pdf]http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/roadtest/Autocar%20Focus%20ST%20MK3%20Jan%202013%20-%20Reduced%20memory.pdf[/pdf]
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: tony_danza on September 28, 2013, 08:32:29 am
Brilliant cars!! ... I'd deffo recommend the 'staying sensible and just enjoy it 24/7 route'.

Safe to say APR haven't changed their ways then, eh.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on September 28, 2013, 09:16:42 am
Definitely plan on enjoying this one.

Trackday booked already. Knockhill 13 October :driver:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on September 28, 2013, 09:19:22 am
Definitely plan on enjoying this one.

Trackday booked already. Knockhill 13 October :driver:

Wish you booked it for 19/20th
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on September 28, 2013, 02:41:16 pm
Looking at that graph it looks like it had some wheel spin on the rollers low down. From previous Fords I have owned they have all benefited from a cat back. My RS made 8bhp with a Milltek cat back and another 14bhp with the ggr sports cat downpipe.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on October 22, 2013, 11:34:51 pm
How is the car running? I fitted the ST air box and its made a massive difference under wot. Next mod is the powerflex rear engine mount insert to stop engine movement without any increased vibrations.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 23, 2013, 01:20:14 am
The car is running really well.  She has just been in for some factory updates after i checked ETIS and found my car hadnt been updated since it had rolled off the factory floor a year ago, so i lied about some symptoms and got her fully upto date with all the software.

Ive taken her on a trackday at Knockhill.  Loved the track, but most of all i absolutely loved driving the ST round the track despite it being completely stock.  It might not be remotely near as quick on the road or track as the Fully tweaked stage 2+ Octy vRS or Stage 3 Fabia VRS were but its so much more fun.  The only thing it needs is a better brake setup.  Power wise, believe it or not, i never once though the car needed any more power at that track.  The lower engine  mount might be an option because it does wheel hop in the wet but otherwise, i think ive found my perfect car!!

Got some vids from Knockhill





Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on October 23, 2013, 09:01:40 pm
 Looks like it needs a few extra horsies to me Sy. An extra 50bhp and some bigger brakes and it will stop all those cars passing you.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 23, 2013, 09:19:07 pm
Looks like it needs a few extra horsies to me Sy. An extra 50bhp and some bigger brakes and it will stop all those cars passing you.

TBH hurdy I wasnt thrashing the car; the hairpin should be taken in 2nd if you want to make proper progress out of the bend; i was using 3rd.  I was also lifting off 50metres or so before the braking point for corners as well as changing up early on the straights to limit the braking issues.  All it needs are better brakes.  Anyone can drive a car fast in a straightline, to me thats not exciting.  Corners are exciting and whether running 800Hp or 250Hp, it wont change the cornering speed.

Obviousy it will be going stage 1 at some point, Im not in a rush for it though.  I think with the last couple VAGS ive had, they have needed the power upgrades early to make them more exciting to live with, this one doesnt have that issue.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on October 23, 2013, 09:47:48 pm
Gradually building things up this time then. Good idea, I've been slowly building mine too keep the thrill of the build going. :smiley:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 23, 2013, 09:56:22 pm
Gradually building things up this time then. Good idea, I've been slowly building mine too keep the thrill of the build going. :smiley:

tbh the term building it up doesnt relate to my plans really as its not being bult up to anything.  Just stage 1 and brakes.  Almost like having a stock Mk2 Focus RS.  My last few motors just like yours have been built with a distinct power and handling aim.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on October 23, 2013, 10:06:38 pm
A tweaked ST will be quicker than a std RS due to the weight of the RS.
I like the mk3 Focus chassis as it is fun no matter how much power is to hand. I have circa 180bhp with the Titanium handling pack and is brilliant whether driving fast or slow.
I take it the updates were to the body control module and pcm as mine is also showing as having updates available.  Its due to go into GK in 2 weeks so I might ask them to update it for me.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 23, 2013, 11:08:35 pm
I take it the updates were to the body control module and pcm as mine is also showing as having updates available.  Its due to go into GK in 2 weeks so I might ask them to update it for me.

That was all I wanted updating, but ETIS shows that every module of the ECU barring front audio control has been updated.   :happy2:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: mortygttdi on October 24, 2013, 12:57:38 am
The difference with bluefin added makes the ST far better, only thing i will say is make sure your ready when the boost comes in :grin: its like trying to tame a bear...especially on cambered roads trying to over take :scared: its challenging put it that way

Having the roof and mirrors wrapped on Saturday then gonna get some H&R springs for it and that'll be me done. It certainly doesn't need much to be a good all round car.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on October 24, 2013, 01:11:48 am
So now your list is a map, brakes and H&R springs......this is how it always starts Sy. :wink:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 24, 2013, 07:23:54 am
 :mad:
 :grin:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Hurdy on October 24, 2013, 09:13:36 am
:mad:
 :grin:

 :laugh:

LOL, I know you think like me. This is how mine usually goes......

I'll only have a map this time around....

But I may as well stick an exhaust and intake on to get the best out of that map.....

Now I've done that the brakes aren't up to it so I'll get a BBK.....

Funny, doesn't handle that well with all that extra power. I know, I'll get some Arbs and lowering springs.....err no , I may as well get coilovers as they are better and the fitting cost will be roughly the same......

Ooh. Handles well now, but could do with some extra power. Not worth going just stage 2 so I'll get stage 2+....

Had stage 2+ for a few months and got used to the power......stage 3 time! :laugh:

Gets me every time!  :signLOL:

Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: 56OctyVRS on October 24, 2013, 10:03:57 pm
gonna get some H&R springs for it and that'll be me done. It certainly doesn't need much to be a good all round car.

Mountune do their own specification springs made by Eibach for £229. I for one will be leaving the suspension well alone, as the Titanium suspension pack on my Focus is firm but very compliant over uneven surfaces. Ford have always been good at setting cars up for the road. I couldn't fault the std Rally tarmac set up on my Mk 1 Focus RS. I am limiting my mods to the Bluefin, ST High Flow air box and soon either the powerflex or superpro rear engine mount insert and leaving the rest std.
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: flatout on October 24, 2013, 10:13:36 pm
:mad:
 :grin:

 :laugh:

LOL, I know you think like me. This is how mine usually goes......

I'll only have a map this time around....

But I may as well stick an exhaust and intake on to get the best out of that map.....

Now I've done that the brakes aren't up to it so I'll get a BBK.....

Funny, doesn't handle that well with all that extra power. I know, I'll get some Arbs and lowering springs.....err no , I may as well get coilovers as they are better and the fitting cost will be roughly the same......

Ooh. Handles well now, but could do with some extra power. Not worth going just stage 2 so I'll get stage 2+....

Had stage 2+ for a few months and got used to the power......stage 3 time! :laugh:

Gets me every time!  :signLOL:



soooo true :stupid:
Title: Re: Sy's vRS APR/LOBA Hybrid - Now replaced with a proper car!
Post by: Janner_Sy on October 25, 2013, 01:02:35 pm
:mad:
 :grin:

 :laugh:

LOL, I know you think like me. This is how mine usually goes......

I'll only have a map this time around....

But I may as well stick an exhaust and intake on to get the best out of that map.....

Now I've done that the brakes aren't up to it so I'll get a BBK.....

Funny, doesn't handle that well with all that extra power. I know, I'll get some Arbs and lowering springs.....err no , I may as well get coilovers as they are better and the fitting cost will be roughly the same......

Ooh. Handles well now, but could do with some extra power. Not worth going just stage 2 so I'll get stage 2+....

Had stage 2+ for a few months and got used to the power......stage 3 time! :laugh:

Gets me every time!  :signLOL:

Never say never  :innocent: