MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: gobbleplease on August 08, 2011, 09:24:32 pm
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Ive managed to secure a good price on them if i write a review with photos, i was just wondering if anyone had them yet and what there impressions were ?
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Didn't VWR have them fitted to the red temptress at some point?! I seem to remember Matt Walker saying they were not great considering the cost!
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^^^ Yep that was the impression I got. :happy2:
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Ohlins are the daddy, when it comes to suspension. :happy2:
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think i read the article on it in VW Driver...
serious wonga from memory.
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Ohlins are the daddy, when it comes to suspension. :happy2:
That's what I was led to believe. Load of top end cars use them.
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Dogs Danglies in the bike world, when I was into bikes.
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Check how often the re-builds are, and more importantly, how much? These aren't fit and forget by any stretch...
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I think though the cost is reflected in being able to rebuild and modify the internals to suit?
I know there are plenty like that but Ohlins were already in a different class.
I for one would be interested to see a review.
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^^^ Yep that was the impression I got. :happy2:
I didn't think I had imagined it, might be worth speaking with Matt first before shelling out as he was less than complimentary if I recall.
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I seen the review in vw driver and they said they were a must if you wanted the extra comfort, although they did say there were better units out there for the track but not for combo of road and track. Ive had KWs before on my last mk5 and they were good but pretty harsh and not the best performance wise on some roads, so im hoping these will be the best of both worlds.
as mentioned though ohlins, showa and BOS are the daddys of suspension world !
I take it ill be one of the first in the country then thats why they want a bit of a write up. They have got some sweet features like dual flow technology for sorting the damping on rough roads by letting the fluid flow quicker
The fact that when you are reducing the ride height this doesnt alter the compression of the springs as the ring actually adjusts the body, is a nice touch too and so simple i dont see why every coilover isnt like this - nice touch !
Also easily adjustable from below
did anyone drive the vwr car with the ohlins on it ?
Were they only on for the test ?
What did it come with when you bought it stevie ?
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Check how often the re-builds are, and more importantly, how much? These aren't fit and forget by any stretch...
there is a two year warranty with them, i was under the impression they didnt need serviced ( on the road versions anyway ) they are just as reliable as any coilover - obviously this will still need to be tested as these road versions have nit been out long.
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Fair enough, you say Ohlins and I immediately think remote reservoirs, racetrack bred kit and regular rebuilds. I wasn't aware they did road stuff like that.
Certainly sounds interesting :happy2:
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im sure its a brand new range they are in the process of bringing out so i dont think much people know about them yet, the mk5 golf seem to of been one of the first kits they have brought out.
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Just before i ordered them today i phoned up the Uks distributer for ohlins to check a few things about them before i went ahead, and it turns out that these are not coilovers as advertised ! these are normal strut type units although they are adjustable in damping they are NOT adjustable in ride height ! Ohlins said that the MK5 version of the R&T range are the only version off these that are not ride height adjustable, and these do not include springs, you need to source your own.
He also went in to them being fully servicable and custom valving is available, TBH they do sound a great bit of kit, but for that sort of money i want to beable to decide the ride height like all the other manufactures versions of the ohlins R&T range, aswell as that if i was to go down the strut spring rate, id prefer to pocket £700 and buy the bilstein B12s as i know that they have the comfort levels i was looking for from the Ohlins
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i am on pss10 and am about to order a set of ohlins to be used with eibach springs for my mark v gti,are there any downsides to it or tthings to look out for?appreciate any feedback thanks
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All the info for the Mk 5 platform is here in this thread, no one has tried these on here that i know of. :happy2: I have been considering Ohlins for my Exige, there is plenty of info for the Lotus platform as the have been making lotus kits for a while, it's all track based though, and as Tony Danza says a refurb and resealing needs doing depending on spec and application.
From what i have read about them they are more consistent when tested on a dyno compared to other top end aftermarket suspensions but also suffer from plenty of problems as well.
This kit that MR Gobble is on about just sounds like an upgrade to the standard set up, probably very nice for the roads. :popcornsoda:
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Great shots Holger, you've gone the Öhlins way? :smiley:
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That looks to be an awesome setup! We can sell the Ohlins stuff but haven't got around to listing them on the site yet. How do you find them?
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Sadly it's no my car, but I'd really like to have these.
Not the H2sport coilover kit but just the Öhlins dampers + VW driver gear springs.
The biggest concern most people have with the Öhlins Road & Track is it's "just"
a set of dampers and the price is hard to understand.
:ashamed:
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http://www.zupin-shop.de/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/29316/s/vw-golf-v-cj-kaxx-03-08-set/category/13679/?___store=motorrad_en&___from_store=motorrad_de
€ 1.595,-- isn't cheap, but the best price I've found. :drinking:
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Quite tempted to launch the B12's for some of these. The thought of some high(er) quality damping and compliance is really very appealing.
Seeing McGuiness across the Mountain section at very high speed presumably damped by Ohlins makes me dream of damping like that in the Ed. Unlikely I know.
That said it's a bit of a punt into the unknown for 1,595 Euros, whatever that works out to in pounds and pennies.
Perhaps we should invite Chris Harris (Pistonheads) to test them, as he's an advocate of quality suspension/ride quality, after fitting that Exe-tc kit to his 2007 997 GT3, when he had that, prior to the GT3 RS 4.0, prior to the current 599.
And the cost of that kit made 1500 Euros look like a bargain..
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Berhard, don't get me wrong, but I'm able to ''test'' them on myself. :wink:
Just give me the 1600 Euros or a GTI equipped with these Öhlins. :evilgrin:
Even better two otherwise identical GTI: One with Öhlins + Eibach Pro springs
and one with a Bilstein B12 Pro. So same springs, but different dampers and a
short track + 2D gear.
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Couldn't find any servicing intervals and costs. They seem to service them at the Nurburgring facility and there's a price list on their website but no R&T there, only the more expensive dampers there !
https://www.ohlins.eu/en/automotive/service/
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...not forgetting Monroe who along with Ohlins are two of the best suspension companies or so I have been told.
I suppose if you want a comfortable road car, but be compliant on a race track, perhaps get something like an electronic shock that adjusts itself - continuously controlled electronic suspension from Monroe. I had a similar setup on my last two cars, whereby you change the damping from comfort to sport or advanced at a touch of a button - it worked fantastically.
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Couldn't find any servicing intervals and costs. They seem to service them at the Nurburgring facility and there's a price list on their website but no R&T there, only the more expensive dampers there !
https://www.ohlins.eu/en/automotive/service/
Owners manual states the following Recommended service intervals,
Racing: Every 10 hours of operation, Maximum 20 hours of operation without service and oil change.
Regular street use: Every 30,000Km
Ohlins centre I bought mine from quoted me £95 + vat for a full rebuild/re-valve service.
Best mod ever.
Fuscobal, buy them,once you have got over the mental hurdle of the initial price, you wont regret it, they are that good, my advice is have a good bottle of ......(insert preferred beverage) first then get them ordered :happy2:
Can't comment about track use as mine will never see a track,but for bumpy B road/country lane journeys around leafy Bucks it's the most composed car I have ever owned, The GTI is So much more relaxing to drive swiftly and ironically more safely now.
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I will order them in January, just wanted to have all the info before. Is the £95 for one corner only or all 4 corners ? What do they mean by service without oil change ? I thought the only service needed is the one at 30.000km that requires the oil change and revalving. I will not be doing 30.000km too soon but 10-20hrs on the track is not much :sad1:
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I will order them in January, just wanted to have all the info before. Is the £95 for one corner only or all 4 corners ? What do they mean by service without oil change ? I thought the only service needed is the one at 30.000km that requires the oil change and revalving. I will not be doing 30.000km too soon but 10-20hrs on the track is not much :sad1:
Not sure, I presumed £95 per shocker.
Don't know what service without oil change means, doesn't say, However, it does mention Racing, which without wanting to be dis-respectful actual racing situations are a lot more punishing than track days. With Ohlins tradition their definition of "Racing" would be more akin to say seb loeb giving it maximum attack for 10 hrs, :smiley: and bear in mind its not his personal hard earned cash spent on the car, so your max and his are a mile apart if you get my drift.
Sorry if that sounds rude,wasn't meant to be, best example I could think of :happy2:
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No problem mate, any info on these babies is welcome. I plan on pairing them with Vorshlag camberplates and I'm also trying to find out if Ohlins can provide them with stiffer springs (revalved of-course). If not, maybe revalving from new at the quoted price and purchasing stiffer springs from Swift for example !
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No problem mate, any info on these babies is welcome. I plan on pairing them with Vorshlag camberplates and I'm also trying to find out if Ohlins can provide them with stiffer springs (revalved of-course). If not, maybe revalving from new at the quoted price and purchasing stiffer springs from Swift for example !
Before I ordered I also enquired about other spring rates ( as I thought the supplied ones sounded a bit stiff), Ohlins centre told me I could have them, but to try the supplied ones first, and if I felt they were too stiff then they would change them over.
I purchased from BG Motorsport, based at Silverstone circuit, might be worth contacting them, as they can build from scratch ohlins dampers (forget what its called, something like kit system or something or other), Ben is a good guy, very familiar with club racing vw's and appear's willing to pass on a lot of info.
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Just to reiterate comments made by GS Wax..
AKS fitted mine to my ED30 in August 2013..and in my opinion..
these are the best mod ever to the Mk5/6 platform.
I too had reservations about hefty spring rates before fitment..but the wide range of adjustment on the dampers give a proper range of firmness to comfort.
On these dampers each click is noticeable so you can certainly feel 2 or 3 clicks and there are from memory 30 settings(??).
I will be amazed if you'd ever need stiffer springs for these..unless you are perhaps racing the car??
Yes the price is somewhat steep/some say frightening.!!
But in my view they are well worth it.
The very clever DFV is what works so well and is what probably costs the money.
Remember that Ohlins operate in a different world to other suspension companies..as in they offer very very high end products and do not do products for every car out there..
Knowing what I know now would never have bothered swapping to Bilstein/Eibach stuff..as all that gear is way too stiff for road use imo.
If funds permit..and obviously that's a big 'if' Ohlins are the way forward in terms of suspension.
Mick Gardner Racing..at Barnsley are the North of England Ohlins centre (just have a chat to Russ there) and are also super helpful if tech questions are needed..as well as the previously mentioned company at Silverstone.
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Thanks Bernhard. They seem reasonably priced as compared to other clubsports out there. I'm now on Bilstein B16/PSS10 which are a little bit soft for track use but VERY harsh on the street (out of at least 10 PSS10s with the same part number seen on other cars (GTIs, Cupra, S3...) mine are by far the harshest even on softest setting). The settings are also not very well noticeable (as you say they are on the Ohlins). I have the PSS10 for the last 6 years or so and I was very happy with the reliability and performance but I'd want more now !
Got a response from Swift (world renowned spring manufacturers)
My questions :
1) As this will be mainly a track car, I would like stiffer springs but without the hassle of revalving. From your experience, how much stiffer can I go without ruining the coilover's balance ?
2) If I understand correctly from your website, the equivalents of Ohlins's springs included in the kit would be > 7" (code > Z65-178-070) on front and 8" (code > Z65-203-060) on rear. I was thinking maybe I can go 1 or max 2 steps up to Z65-178-080 or Z65-178-090 on front and Z65-203-070 or Z65-203-080 on rear but don't know if the damper can control properly these stiffer springs without loosing some of the adjustability steps. What's your opinion on this ?
Their response was :
"General rule of thumb that a lot of coilover manufacturers say is 2kg up and down. Most users we work with go as far as 4kg up and down without feeling extremely oversprung.
And in your case going 2kg up in rate will not be an issue at all. The Ohlin shocks tend to have a fairly big range in damping adjustment. The part numbers you found are correct for what you are looking for. For a track setup however especially on a GTI most people like the way the car feels with a slightly stiffer rear spring rate over the front. So I would suggest maybe a
f-8kg/R-9kg
f-9kg/R-10kg
Of course these are just suggestions, based off of what we see a lot of people running for their track setup."
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Had a free day, done a bit of looking at ohlins kits from other cars, I would presume they would supply with stiffer springs,being as they are available, for instance some Nissan kits are supplied with 100n/m springs and beemer kits 120 springs and so forth, they range from 50 up to 120 in various lengths and importantly they are all 65mm ID springs same as the golf kit.
Camber plates also avail for some cars, even shows those in my owners manual.
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There's another matter > The springs that come with the kit for our cars are 7"(178mm) on front and 8"(203mm) on rear which means the stiffer ones should be the same or slightly smaller length (being stiffer they will compress less so the car will sit a bit higher at the same spring length)
From their product range, stiffer springs but with the same length can be found on the following cars :
Rear 8" (203mm) & 60N/mm
Subaru Impreza STI, Porsche GT3. Nissan GT-R > 90N/mm (has it on the front but similar length to our rear)
Subaru Impreza STI, Subaru Legacy, Porsche 911, EVO X > 70N/mm
Porsche 911 > 120N/mm (too much for our damper I guess)
Porsche GT3 > 140N/mm (too much for our damper I guess)
Nissan 350Z, EVO VII - X, Lexus IS, Honda S2000 > 100N/mm (too much for our damper I guess)
EVO VII - IX, Mazda RX8, Honda S2000, Honda Type-R > 80N/mm
Mazda RX7 > 110N/mm
Front 7" (180mm) & 70N/mm
Mazda RX7 > 110N/mm (too much for our damper I guess)
It seems I have 2 close options for the rear at 70 & 80N/mm but no option for the front as the 7" spring can only be found on Mk5 GTI and Mazda RX7 but too stiff !