MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: vRS Carl on September 25, 2011, 07:25:20 am
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Seen this on another forum
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041200/Motorway-speed-limit-rise-80mph-bid-boost-economy.html
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This has been petitioned / discussed loads in the past looks like theyreconsidering it more seriously this time.
Bet they will jump on anyone doing 81 though! lol
Good find.
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I have seen lots of petitions/internet rumours etc in the past but this was the first i had seen of it in mainstream media.
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Is this the same Daily Mail who went out on a limb and predicted snow this winter?
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Is this the same Daily Mail who went out on a limb and predicted snow this winter?
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Is this the same Daily Mail who went out on a limb and predicted snow this winter?
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Yup the very same :laugh:
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One of the comments:
This is all nonsense- it is nothing to do with economic benefits at all. They have been told by the EU to change the speed limit to the equivalent of 130km/h, to get us 'more into line' with Europe. That way when they come to force kms on us, to replace our 'out-dated' system of using Imperial Measurements, it will be an easier switch. They will just say 'your 80mp/h is the same as 130km/h, which just so happens to be used in most of Europe....so it's a slight change, and more convenient for all'. So yet again our elected politicians are told what to do by their European masters, and they haven't the guts to tell them to take a hike.
This sounds far more plausible than the Govt actually actively doing anything about it!
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One of the comments:
This is all nonsense- it is nothing to do with economic benefits at all. They have been told by the EU to change the speed limit to the equivalent of 130km/h, to get us 'more into line' with Europe. That way when they come to force kms on us, to replace our 'out-dated' system of using Imperial Measurements, it will be an easier switch. They will just say 'your 80mp/h is the same as 130km/h, which just so happens to be used in most of Europe....so it's a slight change, and more convenient for all'. So yet again our elected politicians are told what to do by their European masters, and they haven't the guts to tell them to take a hike.
This sounds far more plausible than the Govt actually actively doing anything about it!
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Also at 80mph the car uses more fuel = more petrol tax in their pockets.
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Every extra mph above the current limit is welcome as far as I'm concerned but that org called whateveritis-anti-speed (BRAKE?) will be up in arms, damn them!
As said many many times before, bad driving is what the Police need to be more focussed on than just mph (or kph). Fortunately there are Police out there who use their discretion and better judgement.
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The thing is that speed it quantifiable whereas bad driving isn't so harder to appropriately and uniformly enforce.
But I totally agree. Bad driving is far more dangerous than speed. I could have driven back from Cardiff last night at 130mph and still be here to tell the tail.
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It seems the story holds some water............
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15116064 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15116064)
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Yep, just seen it on the news tonight too..........
Matt
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Fingers crossed they do raise it :happy2:
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Am I the only one who thinks it will make no difference at all?
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Am I the only one who thinks it will make no difference at all?
....Only a very small difference but every mph raises the threshold favourably and gives us peace of mind when we know we're driving safely and responsibly but the mph is technically risky for getting stopped/fined etc.
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Most people drive at 80mph anyway, and the chances of being pulled over doing 80 are very slim. So will this mean everyone will now drive at 90?
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That's what I think many people will misunderstand. The police have turned a blind eye to people traveling at 80mph, but I don't think it will be the case that they'll do the same for people doing 90mph, even if it's the same increment over the official limit.
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It's been on radio 1 all morning and the minister they interviewed says it to bring people breaking the law back on the right side of the law, he would've been better off saying it's to bring us in line with Europe as speed campaigners wouldn't be as annoyed by that.
Does the 10% rule still apply incase the speedo isn't reading correctly?? If so, wouldn't you have to be doing 88mph+ to get pulled?? As speed camera's are also 10% + 3mph iirc. Only asking, I'm not trying to find a loophole to break the law
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10% + 3mph on 80mph is 91mph. There's no way that is acceptable.
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That's what I think many people will misunderstand. The police have turned a blind eye to people traveling at 80mph, but I don't think it will be the case that they'll do the same for people doing 90mph, even if it's the same increment over the official limit.
Agreed 80mph is generally ok, but 90mph and alot of the older vehicles will be at their limits, so id imagine the police jumping on top of any speeders. Also would the 100mph instant ban be raised? you have to also consider the larger speed differential between the hgv/towing traffic because i cant see them being raised
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For what it's worth the only tickets I've ever had have been for exactly 93 mph (on my GPS speedo). I think the Police will continue the way they have been doing but simply not pursue or speed clock you until over 80-ish - Unless, of course, your driving is dangerous, in which case they should stop you whatever speed you're doing.
I tend to make sure I don't stay at 93 as it's been an unlucky number for me. Absolutely according to conditions/traffic etc I tend to hover around 85 or so on M-ways.
I wish they'd put up the 60 to 70 but fat chance of that happening. I stick absolutely rigidly to 20/30/40/some 50's regardless of cameras being present or not.
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10% + 3mph on 80mph is 91mph. There's no way that is acceptable.
....Do you mean acceptable to you or to authority?
Isn't that 10% + 3mph an unwritten rule which is no longer applied anyway?
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Falls more in line with EU limits of 130kph.
Just another example of UK following rules set by the EU.
Not complaining mind!
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Although I've driven thousands of miles throughout Europe I've forgotten what the EU limit is on two-way roads. Is it 60mph (in kph) or more? I tend to go my own speed according to conditions unless there are specific signs.
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Does the 10% rule still apply incase the speedo isn't reading correctly?? If so, wouldn't you have to be doing 88mph+ to get pulled?? As speed camera's are also 10% + 3mph iirc. Only asking, I'm not trying to find a loophole to break the law
That rules me out then.
At 88mph I start time travelling.
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Although I've driven thousands of miles throughout Europe I've forgotten what the EU limit is on two-way roads. Is it 60mph (in kph) or more? I tend to go my own speed according to conditions unless there are specific signs.
Towns & villages 50kph, urban / 2 way 70 & 100kph autobahn recommended 130kph unless near bridges, large bends, busy exits etc
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Cheers, Mike :drinking:
I prefer the way that the Germans sign their speed limits by incorporating it on the perimeter urban town/village /hamlet names.
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10% + 3mph on 80mph is 91mph. There's no way that is acceptable.
....Do you mean acceptable to you or to authority?
To me, but that comes down to my lack of trust in other road users.
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10% + 3mph on 80mph is 91mph. There's no way that is acceptable.
....Do you mean acceptable to you or to authority?
To me, but that comes down to my lack of trust in other road users.
....I understand what you mean but it suggests you may be being over cautious to the point of being nervous and that's not a great state of mind for driving. The trick is to be super-aware of what other drivers might do but to also be able to read their body language accurately and, of course, always be focussed enough to take appropriate evasive action. Hesitation can send out the wrong signals to other drivers too. Perhaps I'm wrong is such an assumption about your driving.
You have to kind of 'half-trust' but know what you can do to stay out of trouble. Studying other drivers and their body language is key IMO :happy2:
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Yeah, I'd say I'm confident and aware. I'm certainly not hesitant. I just see a lot of bad driving and lack of attention from other drivers. Added to that I lost my brother in a car crash, and I think that has obviously left me very aware of what can go wrong.
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10% + 3mph on 80mph is 91mph. There's no way that is acceptable.
....Do you mean acceptable to you or to authority?
To me, but that comes down to my lack of trust in other road users.
I think it's best to trust them to do the wrong thing. That way you will be pleasantly surprised when they do the right thing. :happy2:
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It's been on radio 1 all morning and the minister they interviewed says it to bring people breaking the law back on the right side of the law
That's like saying that although murder is illegal, if everyone's doing it, we should legalise it so it's no longer a crime!!!
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It's been on radio 1 all morning and the minister they interviewed says it to bring people breaking the law back on the right side of the law
That's like saying that although murder is illegal, if everyone's doing it, we should legalise it so it's no longer a crime!!!
Thats exactly what I was thinking and I've since heard it again on the way home and its was Transport Secretary Philip Hammond, and this was the exact comment:
"What we are doing here, is bringing a lot of drivers who currently, routinely break the speed limit, back on the right side of the law - and that has to be a good thing."
Stupid comment, he shouldve just said it would bring us inline with the EU
source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15116064)
Does the 10% rule still apply incase the speedo isn't reading correctly?? If so, wouldn't you have to be doing 88mph+ to get pulled?? As speed camera's are also 10% + 3mph iirc. Only asking, I'm not trying to find a loophole to break the law
That rules me out then.
At 88mph I start time travelling.
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At 88 I start missfiring :fighting:
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At 88 I start missfiring :fighting:
....At 64 I start farting.
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It's been on radio 1 all morning and the minister they interviewed says it to bring people breaking the law back on the right side of the law
That's like saying that although murder is illegal, if everyone's doing it, we should legalise it so it's no longer a crime!!!
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You're absolutely right but frankly, I don't care as long as they up the limit.
Aren't those BRAKE weirdo's up in arms shouting against it?
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Yeah, I'd say I'm confident and aware. I'm certainly not hesitant. I just see a lot of bad driving and lack of attention from other drivers. Added to that I lost my brother in a car crash, and I think that has obviously left me very aware of what can go wrong.
....I fully sympathise about you losing your bro. Really. I know what the death of someone very close is like.
I guess that what I'm trying to say is to lose none of your awareness (which I'm sure you won't) but somehow we have to carry on and can't afford to literally think the very worst too much. It isn't just speed which kills. With both power and speed comes responsibility and it's personally why I stay as focussed/aware as I possibly can - To the extent of no radios/music etc while driving and both hands on the wheel quarter-to-three.
I hope to goodness that my post doesn't sound condescending - Believe me, it's not meant to.
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The motorways are already the safest roads.
Raising the limit to 80 could make them safer also as you wont have some dickhead hogging the fast lane at 70mph for no reason other than the fact that in his mind hes doing the legal limit and therefore no one should be going past him. End results being 10 qeuing cars behind him getting incresingly frustrated up to the point where people start to undertake and sometimes call the lane hogger a wanker!
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i'm all for this increase. i agree as well with some of the other sentiments about Police targeting DANGEROUS drivers, because dangerous driving is not the same as fast driving.
i also think that overnight the speed limits should be removed entirely (much like german autobahns - which btw i remember reading are actually safer than UK motorways because idiocy is punished and drivers are courteous and ruthelessly germanic in their precision)
i rarely brake the speed limit but the highway code and the national speed limit were set in 1964! that was 22 years before i was born! we now have cars that detect slowing traffic and brake themselves, and all the braking distances are woefully out of date. increasing the speed limit is definitely the smart thing to do. F**k the safety lobbyists, only 3000 ppl die on UK roads every year, of which a small proportion is due to speed. more people die of heart attacks every WEEK. if they want to save lives they should stop bothering drivers and hand out fruit instead.
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if they want to save lives they should stop bothering drivers and hand out fruit instead.
I like that, made me chuckle. :laugh:
Regards,
John
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speed lobbys are the tree huggers off the car world.
Reading the comments that people have left on the guardian website regarding this story shows how clueless and brainwashed alot of people are concering speed!
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Going to miss the autobahn.
Allowed a safe & legal logging session with the Seat mechanic this morning :smiley:
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For a start the Germans are far more conscious of proper lane discipline - If only because the 'fast' lane might often have a Porsche or similar bearing down on you at over 160mph!
I've driven 470 miles today, some on M1 and M40 and lots of dual-carriageway A-roads. Nice and fast and without doubts the worst thing to deal with is bad lane discipline. I'm convinced that most of them don't even think that hogging lanes, especially middle, is wrong - They're ignorant.
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Very rare to see 'lane hogging' over here, like you say more aware. If something is infront of you; pull out, overtake, pull back in. Simple.
You cant assume 'cause your doing 130 you okay to sit in the 'fast lane' as like you say a deisel merc or audi will be bearing down on you at 150+ Then there are the Big Mercs & Porsches etc etc. :scared: :driver:
An enjoyable place to drive IMO
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An enjoyable place to drive IMO
....Nail on head! It's so relaxing and great fun too. I really respect how well most (not all of course) Germans drive/behave on the roads. R E S P E C T :notworthy: